Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Following up from a discussion on the user list. I think it's time to be realistic about providing a healthy level of support for plugins here. I think it makes more sense to reduce the foot print of plugins we say we support and do those well as opposed to housing many plugin that just don't

Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now. Thanks, Jason -- Jason van Zyl Founder, Apache Maven http://twitter.com/jvanzyl

Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for the site generation. Take the maven-site-plugin and any related plugins and move them into their own tree. What I'm trying to do here is cull the set of plugins we have is to keep the ones that are

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Arnaud Héritier
I agree. Perhaps for some of them we could discuss to move them to mojo.codehaus.org to let the community take the lead on them if we find some volunteers (I'm thinking about the eclipse plugin for example). Arnaud On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Following up from a

Culling maven-idea-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Kristian Rosenvold
The built-in support from jetbrains has been excellent since version 7, not much point in keeping this one around. Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: I agree. Perhaps for some of them we could discuss to move them to mojo.codehaus.org to let the community take the lead on them if we find some volunteers (I'm thinking about the eclipse plugin for example). +1 to moving out the

Re: Culling maven-idea-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: The built-in support from jetbrains has been excellent since version 7, not much point in keeping this one around. +1 Kristian - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Culling maven-idea-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
+1000 On 1 Nov 2010 12:54, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: The built-in support from jetbrains has been excellent since version 7, not much point in keeping this one around. Kristian - To unsubscribe,

Re: Culling maven-idea-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
We can use http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/retired/ to start moving plugins. On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:54 PM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: The built-in support from jetbrains has been excellent since version 7, not much point in keeping this one around. Kristian

Culling Maven One Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-one-plugin/ I think we're past its usefullness. Benjamin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@maven.apache.org

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Brian Fox
+1 --mobile On Nov 1, 2010, at 8:40 AM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now. Thanks, Jason

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
I started moving any of the ones discussed here: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/maven/retired/ If anyone disagrees we can move them back but I think the ones suggest so far are good candidates. On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:37 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Following up from a discussion on the user list.

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1. I can be a volunteer for site stuff.. Question : what do we do with site plugin 2.x and 3.x branch ? Personnally : I'd like to move only 3.x branch in this new project. 2010/11/1 Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's

Culling Maven Verifier Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-verifier-plugin/ Is that plugin (not to be confused with the shared maven-verifier component) actually used? Benjamin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Your call, you're doing the work. Not sure we have any precedent, but I imagine full support of the site plugin will require patches the 2.x version. On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: +1. I can be a volunteer for site stuff.. Question : what do we do with site plugin 2.x and

Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Arnaud Héritier
For the eclipse plugin, I think that just moving it to retired isn't a good think because even if we are agree that this one is now really difficult to maintain, this is always the preferred integration way with eclipse in many corporate environments. Thus we cannot just say to our community

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Arnaud Héritier
+1 On Nov 1, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for the site generation. Take the maven-site-plugin and any related plugins and move them into their own tree. What I'm trying to do here is

Re: Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: For the eclipse plugin, I think that just moving it to retired isn't a good think because even if we are agree that this one is now really difficult to maintain, this is always the preferred integration way with eclipse in many corporate

Re: Culling maven-idea-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Stéphane Nicoll
+1 Sent from my iPhone On 01 Nov 2010, at 13:54, Kristian Rosenvold kristian.rosenv...@gmail.com wrote: The built-in support from jetbrains has been excellent since version 7, not much point in keeping this one around. Kristian

Re: Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jörg Schaible
Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 3:04 PM, Arnaud Héritier wrote: For the eclipse plugin, I think that just moving it to retired isn't a good think because even if we are agree that this one is now really difficult to maintain, this is always the preferred integration way with

Re: Culling Maven Verifier Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jörg Schaible
Benjamin Bentmann wrote: http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-verifier-plugin/ Is that plugin (not to be confused with the shared maven-verifier component) actually used? Yes. It's handly for verifying templated run scripts or stuff like that. - Jörg

Re: Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Go for it. I'm going to help retire them, after that it's fair game. So if you, and the folks who might want to work on it, are cool with that then take it over there. My only concern is that we don't claim to support plugins that we have no real intention of supporting. Having them in our SCM

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
+1 to consolidating the site stuff (under doxia?) -0 to moving plugins that have non-site-specific capabilities (pmd, checkstyle, etc.). Though these could be in a separate plugins tree for tool support, if they aren't going to be held by the official projects. On 01/11/2010, at 9:42 AM,

Re: Culling Maven One Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
+1 to retire it On 01/11/2010, at 9:00 AM, Benjamin Bentmann wrote: http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-one-plugin/ I think we're past its usefullness. Benjamin - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Culling maven-idea-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
+1 to retire it On 01/11/2010, at 8:54 AM, Kristian Rosenvold wrote: The built-in support from jetbrains has been excellent since version 7, not much point in keeping this one around. Kristian - To unsubscribe,

Re: Culling Maven Verifier Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
On 01/11/2010, at 1:29 PM, Jörg Schaible wrote: Benjamin Bentmann wrote: http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-verifier-plugin/ Is that plugin (not to be confused with the shared maven-verifier component) actually used? Yes. It's handly for verifying templated run scripts or stuff

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
Dennis committed to it just yesterday, so I think calling it unsupported is premature. On 01/11/2010, at 8:39 AM, Jason van Zyl wrote: This was a hack, and has now been replaced with Nexus staging here at Apache (and most other forges). I believe this plugin can be archived now. Thanks,

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. Dennis, are you committed to supporting it? If so, that's fine, but it's a dead end plugin as far as I'm concerned. Who's going to use it when all the repository managers have some form of

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Brett Porter
On 01/11/2010, at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. I don't disagree, but given it was just yesterday, I think Dennis should get to finish what he's doing. Dennis, are you committed to

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Manfred Moser
On 01/11/2010, at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. I don't disagree, but given it was just yesterday, I think Dennis should get to finish what he's doing. Dennis, are you committed to

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 7:02 PM, Brett Porter wrote: On 01/11/2010, at 1:54 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. I don't disagree, but given it was just yesterday, I think Dennis should get to finish

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Hi Jason Doing some house cleaning among our plugins is a good thing, and I'm in favor of retiring those that we feel that we cannot support. However it is not OK for you to go changing things in Subversion less than an hour after your proposal (which wasn't even labeled as one). That is not the

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
Then -1 the commits. We have a commit first, ask forgiveness second policy in maven last time I checked - Stephen On 1 Nov 2010 21:05, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: Hi Jason Doing some house cleaning among our plugins is a good thing, and I'm in favor of retiring those that we

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Hi Jason Doing some house cleaning among our plugins is a good thing, and I'm in favor of retiring those that we feel that we cannot support. However it is not OK for you to go changing things in Subversion less than an hour after your

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. It actually is being used. Dennis, are you committed to supporting it? My plan is to close as many issues as I can and release a 1.0, to get rid of one

Re: Culling Maven One Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
+1 to retire it On 2010-11-01 14:00, Benjamin Bentmann wrote: http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-one-plugin/ I think we're past its usefullness. Benjamin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org

Re: Culling Maven Verifier Plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
+1 to retire it. On 2010-11-01 14:44, Benjamin Bentmann wrote: http://maven.apache.org/plugins/maven-verifier-plugin/ Is that plugin (not to be confused with the shared maven-verifier component) actually used? Benjamin

Process [was Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins]

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Hi Jason Doing some house cleaning among our plugins is a good thing, and I'm in favor of retiring those that we feel that we cannot support. However it is not OK for you to go changing things in Subversion less than an hour after your

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. It actually is being used. Dennis, are you committed to supporting it? My plan is to close

Re: Process [was Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins]

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 22:14, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:04 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Hi Jason Doing some house cleaning among our plugins is a good thing, and I'm in favor of retiring those that we feel that we cannot support. However it is not OK for you to go changing things

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 6:37 PM, Brett Porter wrote: +1 to consolidating the site stuff (under doxia?) -0 to moving plugins that have non-site-specific capabilities (pmd, checkstyle, etc.). Though these could be in a separate plugins tree for tool support, if they aren't going to be held by

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: +1. I can be a volunteer for site stuff.. Question : what do we do with site plugin 2.x and 3.x branch ? Personnally : I'd like to move only 3.x branch in this new project. I would suggest these are the plugins that go as part of the

[PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Hi Given the discussions about retiring plugin I feel strongly that we need to have a plan for doing so. There are bound to be differing opinions about this, so see this as a starting point for discussions. When we get to the point that we agree on the general process, I'll turn this discussion

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 22:10, Stephen Connolly wrote: Then -1 the commits. We have a commit first, ask forgiveness second policy in maven last time I checked So do you think that it's OK for someone to pull the rug from under your feet, while you are working on something? (as in my work on the Stage

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Can you put this in Confluence. I think we should include the addition of plugins as well ... as that's how we got here in the first place. New plugins, if we ever add anymore, should require the same rigor going in. On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Hi Given the

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:37 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:10, Stephen Connolly wrote: Then -1 the commits. We have a commit first, ask forgiveness second policy in maven last time I checked So do you think that it's OK for someone to pull the rug from under your feet, while

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for the site generation. Take the maven-site-plugin and any related plugins and move them into their own tree. What I'm trying to do here is cull the set

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for the site generation. Take the maven-site-plugin and any related plugins and move them into their

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Benjamin Bentmann
Jason van Zyl wrote: I would suggest these are the plugins that go as part of the site generation: [...] maven-source-plugin I think the maven-source-plugin is misclassified here, it doesn't have any reporting code. Benjamin

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Yup. Cut/paste error. On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:49 PM, Benjamin Bentmann wrote: Jason van Zyl wrote: I would suggest these are the plugins that go as part of the site generation: [...] maven-source-plugin I think the maven-source-plugin is misclassified here, it doesn't have any reporting

[vote] release maven parent 17

2010-11-01 Thread Brian Fox
I'm preparing the enforcer release and it needs the latest parent changes, so I've cut a release: Staged parent: https://repository.apache.org/service/local/repositories/maven-008/content/org/apache/maven/maven-parent/17/maven-parent-17.pom +1 Vote 72 hrs

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 22:33, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 2:42 PM, Olivier Lamy wrote: +1. I can be a volunteer for site stuff.. Question : what do we do with site plugin 2.x and 3.x branch ? Personnally : I'd like to move only 3.x branch in this new project. I would suggest these

Re: [vote] release maven parent 17

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
+1 On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Brian Fox wrote: I'm preparing the enforcer release and it needs the latest parent changes, so I've cut a release: Staged parent: https://repository.apache.org/service/local/repositories/maven-008/content/org/apache/maven/maven-parent/17/maven-parent-17.pom

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 22:38, Jason van Zyl wrote: Can you put this in Confluence. Sure, I'll just wait for some feedback first, then I'll summarize it in Confluence. Once the wrinkles are ironed out I'll move it to the site. I think we should include the addition of plugins as well ... as that's how

Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Vincent Siveton
Hi, I agree in the fact to move unmaintened plugins but god, why are you so quick one more time! You asked Dennis to create a wiki page but you already retired the plugins. Ok I know we could revert your changes but why send us an email and move them 2 min after! We are a community Jason!

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:38, Jason van Zyl wrote: Can you put this in Confluence. Sure, I'll just wait for some feedback first, then I'll summarize it in Confluence. Once the wrinkles are ironed out I'll move it to the site. I think we should

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 22:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for the site generation. Take the maven-site-plugin and any

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: Hi, I agree in the fact to move unmaintened plugins but god, why are you so quick one more time! You asked Dennis to create a wiki page but you already retired the plugins. Yes, because I wouldn't write a wiki page, but if he wants some

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for the

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for releasing I think it's time to have one for

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Vincent Siveton
2010/11/1 Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: Hi, I agree in the fact to move unmaintened plugins but god, why are you so quick one more time! You asked Dennis to create a wiki page but you already retired the plugins. Yes, because I

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Dan Tran
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not going to get used. It actually is being used.

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 23:12, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 23:18, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:01 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:48, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:41 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 13:41, Jason van Zyl wrote: In much the same way we have a little sub-project for

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 23:19, Vincent Siveton wrote: 2010/11/1 Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: Hi, I agree in the fact to move unmaintened plugins but god, why are you so quick one more time! You asked Dennis to create a wiki page but you already

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 1 November 2010 22:26, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: The separation of concerns is a worthy goal. Like I wrote in another mail I think some B+R plugins have their build and reporting code intertwined. Splitting that up might be difficult and we could end up with a bunch of new

POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
I am working on a release of Polyglot Maven and the only tangible thing stopping me is having a plan for POM interoperability between: 1) Different representations of the model for the same version of the model. This is what I'd like for the first version of Polyglot Maven where I just want to

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 1 November 2010 21:37, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:10, Stephen Connolly wrote: Then -1 the commits. We have a commit first, ask forgiveness second policy in maven last time I checked So do you think that it's OK for someone to pull the rug from under your

Re: [vote] release maven parent 17

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
+1 On 1 November 2010 21:51, Brian Fox bri...@infinity.nu wrote: I'm preparing the enforcer release and it needs the latest parent changes, so I've cut a release: Staged parent:

Problems building Maven from 2.2.x branch with integration tests

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
Hi I'm looking into releasing Wagon and Brett suggested that I try the new version in a Maven build to make sure everything is building fine. So I checked out the 2.2.x branch tried to build it prior to maing any changes, by running: mvn install -Prun-its All is fine until it gets to Building

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
+1 On 1 November 2010 21:35, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: Hi Given the discussions about retiring plugin I feel strongly that we need to have a plan for doing so. There are bound to be differing opinions about this, so see this as a starting point for discussions. When we get

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
On 1 November 2010 22:32, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: That is something we need to add to the process. But until the process has been finalized I think we should revert the svn moves. +1 In the absense of a process, since retirement is essentially an SVN operation, then our

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't change the fact it's a hack, generally not useful and is generally not

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:19 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: 2010/11/1 Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: Hi, I agree in the fact to move unmaintened plugins but god, why are you so quick one more time! You asked Dennis to create a wiki page but

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:32 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 23:19, Vincent Siveton wrote: 2010/11/1 Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Vincent Siveton wrote: Hi, I agree in the fact to move unmaintened plugins but god, why are you so quick one more

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
I think we need to get use to the idea of deploying a different POM (as XML) from the POM that is used to build. Here are some use-cases I can see: 1. Corporate project which deploys an artifact to a public repo. Some of the info (e.g. SCM details, developers, build, distMgmt, etc) is, due to

Re: [vote] release maven parent 17

2010-11-01 Thread Arnaud Héritier
+1 Arnaud On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:51 PM, Brian Fox wrote: I'm preparing the enforcer release and it needs the latest parent changes, so I've cut a release: Staged parent:

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Dennis Lundberg
On 2010-11-01 23:50, Stephen Connolly wrote: On 1 November 2010 22:32, Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org wrote: That is something we need to add to the process. But until the process has been finalized I think we should revert the svn moves. +1 In the absense of a process, since

Re: [vote] release maven parent 17

2010-11-01 Thread Olivier Lamy
+1 - Olivier Le 1 nov. 2010 22:52, Brian Fox bri...@infinity.nu a écrit : I'm preparing the enforcer release and it needs the latest parent changes, so I've cut a release: Staged parent:

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:59 PM, Stephen Connolly wrote: I think we need to get use to the idea of deploying a different POM (as XML) from the POM that is used to build. Yes, my assumption for Polyglot is the front-end format could be anything, but an XML 4.0.0 POM must go to the repository.

Re: Why are you so quick (Was: Culling dead/inactive plugins)

2010-11-01 Thread Vincent Siveton
2010/11/1 Dennis Lundberg denn...@apache.org: I've now reverted the changes in svn. Thank Dennis to have catch up the legendary Jason's speed. Vincent - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Hi Given the discussions about retiring plugin I feel strongly that we need to have a plan for doing so. There are bound to be differing opinions about this, so see this as a starting point for discussions. When we get to the point that

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Stephen Connolly
I wasn't saying my use cases were in scope for polyglot's requirements. I was saying my use cases were in scope for arguing that we deploy multiple POM's to the repo. one POM must always be a 4.0.0 XML representation of the project, but it may not be the same as the other versions, as long as an

Re: Moving all reporting to a site project

2010-11-01 Thread Hervé BOUTEMY
Le lundi 1 novembre 2010, Jason van Zyl a écrit : I think they are primarily used as site plugin and as such they should move with the site plugin. I agree there is a conflation of concerns. If someone wants to decouple build logic from reporting logic that would be great. AFAIK, code for

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 2, 2010, at 12:14 AM, Stephen Connolly wrote: I wasn't saying my use cases were in scope for polyglot's requirements. I'm talking generally for the model vN to model vN translation. Reduction is orthogonal to translation, it's a transformation. I'm thinking along the lines of making

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
I prefer to comment in Confluence where it can be captured: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Proposal+--+A+creation+and+retirement+plan+for+plugins I added a bit about creation as well. On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:38, Jason van Zyl

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
And I capture what votes I've seen so far. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Proposal+of+plugins+to+retire And we can just use that as a record. On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:57 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 22:38, Jason van Zyl wrote: Can you put this in Confluence.

Re: [PROPOSAL] Create a retirement plan for plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
Do you want a different process and proposal process for restructuring? Like I've proposed for the site plugin? On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:35 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: Hi Given the discussions about retiring plugin I feel strongly that we need to have a plan for doing so. There are bound to be

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Dan Tran
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On 2010-11-01 18:54, Jason van Zyl wrote: Doesn't

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Dan Tran wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 10:12 PM, Dennis Lundberg wrote: On

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Brian Fox
2010/11/1 Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com: I agree. Perhaps for some of them we could discuss to move them to mojo.codehaus.org to let the community take the lead on them if we find some volunteers (I'm thinking about the eclipse plugin for example). It probably needs to be said that if

Meetup at ApacheCon in Atlanta

2010-11-01 Thread Brian Fox
If you happen to find yourself in Atlanta on Wed, Nov 3rd at 8pm, and want to talk about Maven, come join the meetup. You can find details and the signup page here: http://na.apachecon.com/c/acna2010/schedule/meetups - To

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 2, 2010, at 2:31 AM, Brian Fox wrote: 2010/11/1 Arnaud Héritier aherit...@gmail.com: I agree. Perhaps for some of them we could discuss to move them to mojo.codehaus.org to let the community take the lead on them if we find some volunteers (I'm thinking about the eclipse plugin for

Re: Culling dead/inactive plugins

2010-11-01 Thread Brian Fox
The barrier to collaboration is high here. That's all I'm saying. The tools make that partially true but it's not stopping other projects so it's clearly not the only issue. Maybe no one really cares about these plugins, and for the ones raised so far, that's probably the case.

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Ralph Goers
I'm not sure I understand. Is the proposal here to deploy non-XML project descriptors to the repository in addition to the standard pom? If so, what is the point? Many projects aren't going to bother creating multiple dialects of poms and so the variations will still have to handle the

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Jason van Zyl
On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:29 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: I'm not sure I understand. Is the proposal here to deploy non-XML project descriptors to the repository in addition to the standard pom? If so, what is the point? In the case of the Clojure dialect there will be two other implementations

Re: Culling the maven-stage-plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Dan Tran
On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 5:59 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 1:40 AM, Dan Tran wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org wrote: On Nov 1, 2010, at 11:24 PM, Dan Tran wrote: On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 2:15 PM, Jason van Zyl ja...@maven.org

Re: POM interoperability

2010-11-01 Thread Ralph Goers
On Nov 1, 2010, at 7:36 PM, Jason van Zyl wrote: On Nov 2, 2010, at 3:29 AM, Ralph Goers wrote: I'm not sure I understand. Is the proposal here to deploy non-XML project descriptors to the repository in addition to the standard pom? If so, what is the point? In the case of the

Re: Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Daniel Kulp
I personally think deprecating/retiring the eclipse plugin is a bit premature. Looking at the svn log, there have been a buunch of commits and a release this year, so there definitely are people that are supporting it. Maybe if m2eclipse was actually usable for any of the projects I work

Re: Deprecate eclipse:eclipse plugin

2010-11-01 Thread Paul Benedict
+1 on keeping the eclipse plugin. I like m2Eclipse but at times is buggy so I fall back to using this often. Paul 2010/11/1 Daniel Kulp dk...@apache.org: I personally think deprecating/retiring the eclipse plugin is a bit premature. Looking at the svn log, there have been a buunch of commits

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