[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 21 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans 21 was
released on February 20, 2024.

What's in the Apache NetBeans 21 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/21

With thanks to 24 contributors, including 3 who have contributed for the
first time. Thank you!

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb21/

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Martin, Geertjan

on behalf of Apache NetBeans PMC

[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 20 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans 20 was
released on December 1, 2023. Apologies for announcing this so late.

What's in the Apache NetBeans 20 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/20

With thanks to 26 contributors, including 6 who have contributed for the
first time. Thank you!

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb20/

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Martin, Geertjan

on behalf of Apache NetBeans PMC

Re: Who is responsible for NB plugin portal?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

We're all working on this project together, sometimes responses may take
some time. :-)

Indeed, there's no option for paid plugins -- you'd need to make those
available yourself, though there are several ways (blogs, etc) that these
could be promoted, including on this mailing list.

The plugin portal itself is also open source, so you could contribute to it
by somehow providing support in it for paid plugins.

Gj

On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 10:47 PM Alex Orlov 
wrote:

>
> Hello all!
>
> Our team wants to develop a paid NB plugin with closed source. However, we
> see that there is no paid
> plugins in  https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/  at the moment. So it is
> unclear if it is possible
> to add non free plugins there or not.
>
> I asked a question in user mailing list, but got no answer. At the same
> time there is no contacts
> information on plugin portal.
>
> Could anyone say who I can speak about it with? Who can answer this
> question.
>
> --
> Best regards, Alex Orlov

Re: Community installers for NetBeans 20

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great and welcome back!

Gj

On Tue, Dec 5, 2023 at 12:09 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Firstly, a big thank you to Eric for handling the NetBeans 20 release
> build and vote!  Due to a bereavement I had to hand over everything I
> had been planning to do at short notice.
>
> I've now finished updating all of the community installers to NetBeans
> 20 and Java 21.
>
> https://netbeans.apache.org/front/main/download/nb20/#_community_installers
> https://www.codelerity.com/netbeans/
>
> A reminder that the community installers are all built with NBPackage
> from the ASF binary zip release, and bundle a localised JDK for
> running the IDE.  The JDK and IDE are signed together on platforms
> where that matters.
>
> The NBPackage-based Windows installer is based on InnoSetup, which
> also has some benefits for system administration -
> https://jrsoftware.org/ishelp/index.php?topic=setupcmdline  Windows is
> now the only platform where we're not using NBPackage for the Apache
> installers.  Hopefully something we can review soon.
>
> For the first time, I've included an aarch64 macOS package, as NB20
> includes a bunch of fixes for that platform.
>
> To make space for the new macOS package, I've not included an AppImage
> for Linux Arm32 this time.  I'd like to continue supporting something
> for the Pi, but also have concerns about AppImage for this purpose -
> the fact that it runs from a different temporary location each time
> causes some issues with caching.  Please speak up if you were one of
> the people using this, and see if we can work out the best way
> forward.
>
> Thanks all and best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 20

[Geertjan Wielenga]

[ X ] yes / +1
[ ] no / -1 (please justify -1)
[ X ] binding (member of PMC)

My vote is based on

[ X ] I have built and tested the source with  Zulu17.40+19-CA (build
17.0.6+10-LTS) on macOS Ventura 13.6.1 (required)
[ ] I have tested the binary zip with  on 
[ ] I have tested the  installer(s) with  on 
[ ] I have tested the Maven artefacts
[ ] I have tested the VSCode extension

Additional info (optional) - any specifics on what you've tested

- Create Hello World Java Maven application and ran it, all successfully.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 12:06 PM Giles Winstanley  wrote:

> [x] yes / +1
> [ ] no / -1 (please justify -1)
> [ ] binding (member of PMC)
>
> My vote is based on
>
> [x] I have built and tested the source with Adoptium OpenJDK 17.0.8.1 on
> macOS 14.1.1 (aarch64)  (required)
> [ ] I have tested the binary zip with  on 
> [x] I have tested the PKG installer(s) with Adoptium OpenJDK 21 on macOS
> 14.1.1
> [ ] I have tested the Maven artefacts
> [ ] I have tested the VSCode extension
>
> Additional info (optional) - any specifics on what you've tested
>
> - [x] PGP key signature checked ok (sources zip; Eric)
> - [x] SHA-512 checksum matched ok (sources zip)
> - [x] PGP key signature checked ok (macOS pkg; Neil)
> - [x] SHA-512 checksum matched ok (macOS pkg)
>
>
>
> I'm uncertain if the intention is for it to build on JDK21, but when I
> tried (Adoptium OpenJDK 21) it failed (Groovy/ASM issue):
>
>
> build-tooling-lib:
>   [java] Downloading
> file:/Users/test/Downloads/netbeans-20-source/extide/gradle/netbeans-gradle-tooling/gradle/wrapper/../../../external/gradle-7.4-bin.zip
>   [java]
> ...10%...20%...30%...40%...50%...60%...70%...80%...90%...100%
>   [java]
>   [java] Welcome to Gradle 7.4!
>   [java]
>   [java] Here are the highlights of this release:
>   [java]  - Aggregated test and JaCoCo reports
>   [java]  - Marking additional test source directories as tests in
> IntelliJ
>   [java]  - Support for Adoptium JDKs in Java toolchains
>   [java]
>   [java] For more details see
> https://docs.gradle.org/7.4/release-notes.html
>   [java]
>   [java] Starting a Gradle Daemon (subsequent builds will be faster)
>   [java]
>   [java] FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.
>   [java]
>   [java] * Where:
>   [java] Settings file
> '/Users/test/Downloads/netbeans-20-source/extide/gradle/netbeans-gradle-tooling/settings.gradle'
>   [java]
>   [java] * What went wrong:
>   [java] Could not compile settings file
> '/Users/test/Downloads/netbeans-20-source/extide/gradle/netbeans-gradle-tooling/settings.gradle'.
>   [java] > startup failed:
>   [java]   General error during conversion: Unsupported class file
> major version 65
>   [java]
>   [java]   java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Unsupported class file
> major version 65
>   [java]at
> groovyjarjarasm.asm.ClassReader.(ClassReader.java:199)
>   [java]at
> groovyjarjarasm.asm.ClassReader.(ClassReader.java:180)
>   [java]at
> groovyjarjarasm.asm.ClassReader.(ClassReader.java:166)
>   [java]at
> groovyjarjarasm.asm.ClassReader.(ClassReader.java:287)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.AsmDecompiler.parseClass(AsmDecompiler.java:81)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.control.ClassNodeResolver.findDecompiled(ClassNodeResolver.java:251)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.control.ClassNodeResolver.tryAsLoaderClassOrScript(ClassNodeResolver.java:189)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.control.ClassNodeResolver.findClassNode(ClassNodeResolver.java:169)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.control.ClassNodeResolver.resolveName(ClassNodeResolver.java:125)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.AsmReferenceResolver.resolveClassNullable(AsmReferenceResolver.java:57)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.AsmReferenceResolver.resolveClass(AsmReferenceResolver.java:44)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.TypeSignatureParser.visitEnd(TypeSignatureParser.java:110)
>   [java]at
> groovyjarjarasm.asm.signature.SignatureReader.parseType(SignatureReader.java:206)
>   [java]at
> groovyjarjarasm.asm.signature.SignatureReader.accept(SignatureReader.java:124)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.ClassSignatureParser.parseClassSignature(ClassSignatureParser.java:74)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.ClassSignatureParser.configureClass(ClassSignatureParser.java:32)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.DecompiledClassNode.lazyInitSupers(DecompiledClassNode.java:185)
>   [java]at
> org.codehaus.groovy.ast.decompiled.DecompiledClassNode.isUsingGenerics(DecompiledClassNode.java:86)
>   [java]at
> 

Re: [NetBeans PluginPortal] Check your plugin with the new Apache NetBeans 20! X3D-Edit 4.0.31

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I've voted positively on it.

Gj

On Wed, Oct 18, 2023 at 5:45 PM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
brutz...@nps.edu> wrote:

> Dear plugin gurus: we submitted X3D-Edit plugin update 4.0.31 several
> weeks ago, but have not seen a corresponding response for review and
> release yet.
>
>
>
>- Apache NetBeans Plugin Portal: X3D-Edit
>- https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=90
>
>
>
> Request verification and release of that plugin for automatic updates to
> current NetBeans users.
>
>
>
> We will work on testing a newer version of X3D-Edit in anticipation of
> NetBeans 20.
>
>
>
> Please advise how to report release readiness to avoid review/deployment
> delays in the future – simply mail to the dev list?
>
>
>
> Thanks for all support.
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>
> *From:* NetBeans webmaster 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 18, 2023 2:48 AM
> *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
> *Subject:* [NetBeans PluginPortal] Check your plugin with the new Apache
> NetBeans 20!
>
> Hey Don Brutzman,
>
> have you heard of the new Apache NetBeans version on the horizon? Yes, the
> NetBeans community is going to release version 20 soon! In order to have
> your great plugin(s) available on the NetBeans Update Center also for users
> of the new version, please consider testing the plugin(s) with the latest
> RC build and possibly submit new verification request(s) via the Plugin
> Portal website.
>
> Your plugins:
>
>- X3D-Edit
>
> Direct link to the list of your plugins:
> https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/plugin/list
> 
>
> Apache NetBeans 20 release candidates:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/discussions/6581
> 
>
> Thanks for your contribution and ongoing support!
> Apache NetBeans Plugin Portal Administrator
>
> P.S.: Please contact dev@netbeans.apache.org mailing list for any
> questions.
>

Re: Windows 11 Issues - Copy/Paste Failure

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Here's the issue that awaits you when you move on from NetBeans:
https://youtrack.jetbrains.com/issue/JBR-5980/

I.e., it's probably connected to Swing and a race condition with the clipboard.

Gj

On Tue, Aug 29, 2023 at 7:39 PM Kenneth Fogel
 wrote:
>
> Thank you everyone for your comments. As someone working on Java in Education 
> I believe that this is a serious/critical issue. NetBeans is/was, in my 
> opinion, the best IDE in education. Many schools and students run Windows. 
> Though retired I have written a book and am now working on a project, 
> creating workshops. In both cases I used/use NetBeans. I can't say how much 
> longer I can. Having my train of thought interrupted when I do Ctrl-C and 
> Ctrl-V only to realize it did not work, again, is reaching the end of my 
> patience. Then there are the times I lose code because I forgot to restore 
> (Ctrl-Z) it after pasting it in my text.. I have more work lined up but I'm 
> not sure that I can continue with NetBeans.
>
> I fully appreciate that complaining about Open Source is frowned on. I should 
> just download the code and find/fix the problem myself. What I do not have 
> are the days and possibly weeks to understand how NetBeans interacts with the 
> clipboard to identify the problem. Is there a time when a code base becomes 
> so large that the potential for side effects from changes in other parts of 
> the code base becomes near impossible to determine without a full-time staff. 
> Heck, I came across Eclipse posting a paid job to deal with enhancements to 
> Eclipse.
>
> Ken
>
> PS: Funny Eclipse story. I began teaching using first JDeveloper and then 
> Eclipse. In the late 2000s Eclipse was problematic hence the eventual move to 
> NetBeans in my courses. In most cases the students needed to shutdown Eclipse 
> and restart it. I just played with the recent version of Eclipse and what did 
> I find? It's a menu selection that restarts Eclipse. I guess if you can't fix 
> it then give it a switch to turn it off and then on again in a single click. 
> Doing this in NetBeans buys me between 10 and 30 minutes of working 
> copy/paste.
>
> PPS: It never fails if I Cut. Is this not a significant clue?
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kenneth Fogel 
> Sent: Monday, August 28, 2023 6:50 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Windows 11 Issues - Copy/Paste Failure
>
> Hi,
>
> I have mentioned this before, but the situation is getting worse. More often 
> than not, I must cut the text, paste the text into the external app such as 
> Word, and then restore (Ctrl-Z) the cut text back into NetBeans. This week it 
> started to require this just when I want to copy and paste text between tabs 
> in NetBeans. My uninformed guess is an issue in how NetBeans responds to the 
> Copy command, somehow losing its connection to the Windows clipboard that 
> does not happen if Cut is used.
>
> But wait, there is more. It has become hit or miss to copy from another 
> application into NetBeans.
>
> I can get a temporary reprieve by closing and then restarting NetBeans.
>
> I do have a question. How many people actively working on NetBeans do this in 
> a Windows rather than Linux or MacOS operating system? I can say that this 
> problem is unique to NetBeans in my Windows 11 environment and has not 
> occurred in any other application or IDE that I have used. I don't think I 
> can file a JIRA ticket because I cannot provide a repeatable example.
>
> Here is my environment from the About box:
>
> Product Version: Apache NetBeans IDE 18
>
> Java: 17.0.7; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.7+7
>
> Runtime: OpenJDK Runtime Environment 17.0.7+7
>
> System: Windows 11 version 10.0 running on amd64; Cp1252; en_CA (nb)
>
> User directory: C:\Users\omni_\AppData\Roaming\NetBeans\18
>
> Cache directory: C:\Users\omni_\AppData\Local\NetBeans\Cache\18
>
>
> Ken Fogel
>
>
>
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Re: Apache NetBeans swag ready on the RedBubble storefront!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Fantastic work.

Gj

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 12:04 PM Michael Bien  wrote:
>
> great work, I esp like the first motive!
>
> -mbien
>
> On 26.06.23 01:58, Pyro MX wrote:
> > Good day NetBeans users and devs,
> >
> > I am very pleased to announce that the NetBeans swag is now available
> > on the ASF's RedBubble store front! Before I put the links however, I
> > need to say this:
> >
> > Many many thanks to all who collaborated to the design process and
> > voting - your input has been invaluable to produce the designs. I also
> > have special mentions:
> >
> > * Emmanuel Hugonnet, who peer-reviewed the designs before they were
> > even public, ensuring that once we put them out there, they were clean
> > cut
> > * Mark Thomas from the ASF, who guided us through the process of
> > designing, producing and finalizing the designs in a smooth way
> > * Geertjan Wielenga, who provided guidance and feedback throughout,
> > validating the way I worked and ensuring I didn't slip out
> > * Every one who contributed through voting, feedback and also behind
> > the scenes to make this project happen
> >
> > Without further ado, here are the links to all the designs who made it
> > to RedBubble:
> >
> > * https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/147650146?ref=studio-promote
> > * https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/147650252?ref=studio-promote
> > * https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/147650377?ref=studio-promote
> > * https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/147650496?ref=studio-promote
> > * https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/147650565?ref=studio-promote
> > * https://www.redbubble.com/shop/ap/147650632?ref=studio-promote
> >
> > Last but not least, thank you for your trust during this project - I
> > was very privileged to work with the NetBeans logo and the NetBeans
> > community to create those swag designs and I truly hope from the
> > bottom of my heart that you'll enjoy them as much as I enjoyed putting
> > them together!
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
>
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Re: plugin portal submission inquiry

[Geertjan Wielenga]

http://plugins.netbeans.apache.org

There's a login there.

Gj

On Mon, Jun 26, 2023 at 6:59 AM Oliver Rettig  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> where/how to vote for it - I am lucky to use that tool.
> Oliver
> > I've voted "Go", just one more needed and then it is approved.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:20 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> >
> > brutz...@nps.edu> wrote:
> > > Hello again, I hope that all is well.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > We submitted a second update to X3D-Edit plugin last Tuesday on Apache
> > > NetBeans Plugin Portal.
> > >
> > >- https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=90
> > >
> > > Haven’t heard back.  Wondering how updates and “verification pending” get
> > > planned and pursued?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > All progress and hard work is much appreciated.  Thank for all guidance.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > p.s. I’ve tried subscribing to both dev and us...@netbeans.apache.org but
> > > am not getting responses to email subscription requests.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > all the best, Don
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> > > brutz...@nps.edu
> > >
> > > Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> > > +1.831.656.2149
> > >
> > > X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> > > https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2023 2:53 PM
> > > *To:* Geertjan Wielenga ;
> > > infrastruct...@apache.org; Jiří Kovalský ; dev <
> > > dev@netbeans.apache.org>
> > > *Cc:* Norbraten, Terry (CIV) ; Brutzman, Donald (Don)
> > > (CIV) 
> > > *Subject:* RE: plugin portal submission inquiry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, we got an optimistic reply from Webmaster early Friday 12 May but we
> > > still have not seen the plugin from within NetBeans.  Also not sure what
> > > to
> > > do with the offered catalog.xml.gz (which does not have any reference to
> > > x3d-edit or x3dedit within it).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Meanwhile the plugin portal says something different: update 4.0.28 is
> > > verified, but not approved.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Wondering if there is synchronization or deployment problem?  If there is
> > > anything for us, we are happy to support next steps.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > TIA for all support.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello plugin owner,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > this is to inform you that publishing of your plugin on the Plugin Portal
> > > Update Center was approved.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Plugin: X3D-Edit
> > >
> > > NetBeans version: 17
> > >
> > > Verification status: GO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Your plugin should be already available on the Plugin Portal Update Center
> > > by now:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/data/17/catalog.xml.gz
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for your contribution!
> > >
> > > NetBeans development team
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S.: This is an automatic email. DO NOT REPLY to this email.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > all the best, Don
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> > > brutz...@nps.edu
> > >
> > > Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> > > +1.831.656.2149
> > >
> > > X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> > > https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > *From:* Geertjan Wielenga 
> > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 7, 2023 4:12 AM
> > > *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
> > > *Cc:* Jiří Kovalský ; Norbraten, Terry (CIV) <
> > > tdnor...@nps.edu>; dev ;
> > > infrastruct...@apache.org
> > > *Subject:* Re: plugin portal submission inquiry
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think just submit the plugin aga

Re: plugin portal submission inquiry

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I've voted "Go", just one more needed and then it is approved.

Gj

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:20 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
brutz...@nps.edu> wrote:

> Hello again, I hope that all is well.
>
>
>
> We submitted a second update to X3D-Edit plugin last Tuesday on Apache
> NetBeans Plugin Portal.
>
>
>
>- https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=90
>
>
>
> Haven’t heard back.  Wondering how updates and “verification pending” get
> planned and pursued?
>
>
>
> All progress and hard work is much appreciated.  Thank for all guidance.
>
>
>
> p.s. I’ve tried subscribing to both dev and us...@netbeans.apache.org but
> am not getting responses to email subscription requests.
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>
> *From:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 14, 2023 2:53 PM
> *To:* Geertjan Wielenga ;
> infrastruct...@apache.org; Jiří Kovalský ; dev <
> dev@netbeans.apache.org>
> *Cc:* Norbraten, Terry (CIV) ; Brutzman, Donald (Don)
> (CIV) 
> *Subject:* RE: plugin portal submission inquiry
>
>
>
> Well, we got an optimistic reply from Webmaster early Friday 12 May but we
> still have not seen the plugin from within NetBeans.  Also not sure what to
> do with the offered catalog.xml.gz (which does not have any reference to
> x3d-edit or x3dedit within it).
>
>
>
> Meanwhile the plugin portal says something different: update 4.0.28 is
> verified, but not approved.
>
>
>
> Wondering if there is synchronization or deployment problem?  If there is
> anything for us, we are happy to support next steps.
>
>
>
> TIA for all support.
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello plugin owner,
>
>
>
> this is to inform you that publishing of your plugin on the Plugin Portal
> Update Center was approved.
>
>
>
> Plugin: X3D-Edit
>
> NetBeans version: 17
>
> Verification status: GO
>
>
>
> Your plugin should be already available on the Plugin Portal Update Center
> by now:
>
>
>
> https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/data/17/catalog.xml.gz
>
>
>
> Thanks for your contribution!
>
> NetBeans development team
>
>
>
> P.S.: This is an automatic email. DO NOT REPLY to this email.
>
>
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>
> *From:* Geertjan Wielenga 
> *Sent:* Sunday, May 7, 2023 4:12 AM
> *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
> *Cc:* Jiří Kovalský ; Norbraten, Terry (CIV) <
> tdnor...@nps.edu>; dev ;
> infrastruct...@apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: plugin portal submission inquiry
>
>
>
> I think just submit the plugin again, should be fine.
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 19:45, Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> brutz...@nps.edu> wrote:
>
> Geertjan, thanks for the nudge.  After many years and much work using the
> X3D-Edit plugin, we are quite excited to finally “step up” to mainstream
> NetBeans.
>
>
>
> We will be happy to continue improving our plugin configuration to match
> best practices.  Thanks in advance for all feedback
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>
> *From:* Geertjan Wielenga 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2023 11:12 AM
> *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) ; Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.koval...@oracle.com>; dev 
> *Cc:* Norbraten, Terry (CIV) ; infrastruct...@apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: plugin portal submission inquiry
>
>
>
> Jiri,
>
>
>
> Can you advise?
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 20:09, Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> brutz...@nps.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello.  Terry Norbraten and I are trying to see if his submission for
> review of a corrected Apache NetBeans plugin was received.
>
>
>
>- https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=88
>
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplugins.

Re: X3D-Edit plugin for Apache NetBeans updated - request status

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I've voted "Go", one more needed and then it is approved. :-)

Gj

On Sun, Jun 25, 2023 at 7:26 AM Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV)
 wrote:
>
> We submitted an update to X3D-Edit plugin last week on Apache NetBeans Plugin 
> Portal.
>
>
>
> https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=90
>
>
>
> Haven’t heard back.  Wondering how updates and “verification pending” get 
> planned and pursued.
>
>
>
> Thank for all guidance.
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Brbrutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA+1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
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Proposal: Bi-weekly 30 minute NetBeans clinic

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

We have a continual stream of releases following our quarterly release
cycle, things are going well, though a lot of the work within the
release cycle falls on a few shoulders.

And those shoulders aren't always well coordinated.

I'd like to propose that we have a standing meeting every second week
for 30 minutes, e.g., every second Friday at 12:00, not just in the
release cycle but always.

I'll be on the call plus anyone else who needs to coordinate
activities or who wants to quickly sync up with someone or break a
very long confusing email discussion with a short conversation that
might simplify things.

How does that sound? I'll make my Zoom available for this if there's
at least a few who'd like this kind of drop-in facility.

Gj

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[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 18 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans
18 was released on May 30, 2023.

What's in the Apache NetBeans 18 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/18

With thanks to 31 contributors, including 5 who have contributed for
the first time. Thank you!

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb18/

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Martin, Geertjan

on behalf of Apache NetBeans PMC

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Re: plugin portal submission inquiry

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I think just submit the plugin again, should be fine.

Gj

On Sat, 6 May 2023 at 19:45, Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
wrote:

> Geertjan, thanks for the nudge.  After many years and much work using the
> X3D-Edit plugin, we are quite excited to finally “step up” to mainstream
> NetBeans.
>
>
>
> We will be happy to continue improving our plugin configuration to match
> best practices.  Thanks in advance for all feedback
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>
> *From:* Geertjan Wielenga 
> *Sent:* Friday, May 5, 2023 11:12 AM
> *To:* Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) ; Jiří Kovalský <
> jiri.koval...@oracle.com>; dev 
> *Cc:* Norbraten, Terry (CIV) ; infrastruct...@apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: plugin portal submission inquiry
>
>
>
> Jiri,
>
>
>
> Can you advise?
>
>
>
> Gj
>
>
>
> On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 20:09, Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) <
> brutz...@nps.edu> wrote:
>
> Hello.  Terry Norbraten and I are trying to see if his submission for
> review of a corrected Apache NetBeans plugin was received.
>
>
>
>- https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=88
>
> <https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fplugins.netbeans.apache.org%2Fcatalogue%2F%3Fid%3D88=05%7C01%7Cbrutzman%40nps.edu%7C48d9685039b1499c0b2808db4d94388c%7C6d936231a51740ea9199f7578963378e%7C0%7C0%7C638189071273726451%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=zOym7xSMeZTa0J2rIzt5pvYxZV71PXJBtq4uhD%2FzmuM%3D=0>
>(version 4.0.27)
>
>
>
> We got feedback on not having a self-signed signature – he added that and
> resubmitted a correction (version 4.0.28) earlier this week.  Unfortunately
> we can’t tell if it was received.
>
>
>
> Please advise how we can be sure a change was received.  Tracking status
> and answering any emergent questions would be nice too…
>
>
>
> p.s. I tried to get a password for Confluence, but did not receive the
> renewal message that was promised.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance of all help.
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>
>

Re: plugin portal submission inquiry

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Jiri,

Can you advise?

Gj

On Fri, 5 May 2023 at 20:09, Brutzman, Donald (Don) (CIV) 
wrote:

> Hello.  Terry Norbraten and I are trying to see if his submission for
> review of a corrected Apache NetBeans plugin was received.
>
>
>
>- https://plugins.netbeans.apache.org/catalogue/?id=88 (version 4.0.27)
>
>
>
> We got feedback on not having a self-signed signature – he added that and
> resubmitted a correction (version 4.0.28) earlier this week.  Unfortunately
> we can’t tell if it was received.
>
>
>
> Please advise how we can be sure a change was received.  Tracking status
> and answering any emergent questions would be nice too…
>
>
>
> p.s. I tried to get a password for Confluence, but did not receive the
> renewal message that was promised.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance of all help.
>
>
>
> all the best, Don
>
> --
>
> Don Brutzman  Naval Postgraduate School, Code USW/Br
> brutz...@nps.edu
>
> Watkins 270,  MOVES Institute, Monterey CA 93943-5000 USA
> +1.831.656.2149
>
> X3D graphics, virtual worlds, navy robotics
> https://faculty.nps.edu/brutzman
>
>
>

Re: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Could it be a solution to continue Java 8 on a branch and then, if
that works, i.e., if the work that needs to be done is actually done
there, we bring it back into the main repo -- i.e., we put it on a
sidetrack for one release, to see if this lightens the burden for
those who have felt frustrated and so that those who rightly are
focused on backward compatibility have a place to prove that the
approach they propose works?

Gj (with compromise cap firmly on head)

On Wed, Apr 12, 2023 at 10:15 AM Mark Struberg
 wrote:
>
> Tbh, I'd rather stick with Java8 for now and then move to Java 17 at some 
> point in time.
>
> Java11 is not as much used in the industry, it was kind of totally ignored by 
> some companies and bigger projects. It also imo doesn't bring that much of a 
> benefit for the code base. Plus the eco system is rather slowly moving. There 
> are still too many Java 8 projects actively being used and maintained in the 
> industry. And we still have Android as was mentioned.
>
> There will be the time to move away from Java8, but right now it might be a 
> tad too early imo.
>
> So I'm rather
> -0.5
>
> LieGrue,
> strub
>
>
>
> > Am 03.04.2023 um 18:10 schrieb Michael Bien :
> >
> > +1 from my side!
> >
> > very well thought out proposal in my opinion.
> >
> > The LTS-1 model is also easy to communicate and to understand which has 
> > some benefits in itself.
> >
> > Further, the option to branch a NetBeans LTS release if there is such 
> > demand should cover all eventualities. I agree that we
> > should be open to that option, assuming there is enough interest and branch 
> > maintainers can be found.
> >
> > best regards,
> > michael
> >
> >
> > On 03.04.23 11:38, Neil C Smith wrote:
> >> As mentioned elsewhere, I'm kicking off a process to bring this issue
> >> to a decision.  For various reasons, having a decision before we
> >> branch off NB18 is desirable.  I've drawn up a draft proposal (below)
> >> that tries to encompass most of what has been expressed, and hopefully
> >> achieves that - thanks to those who have already given feedback in its
> >> iteration.
> >>
> >> This thread will be active for 7 days.  Expressions of support and
> >> disagreement welcomed.  In particular, if you -1 please offer an
> >> alternative to all or part of this proposal that you're able to help
> >> implement.  We should try and reach a consensus position that removes
> >> any block.  If after the 7 days we cannot do this, then we move to a
> >> vote on this with any agreed amendments.
> >>
> >> See also the page at
> >> https://community.apache.org/committers/consensusBuilding.html
> >>
> >> Thanks, Neil
> >>
> >> 
> >>
> >> # Proposed policy
> >>
> >> * Apache NetBeans 18 will be the last release to support running the
> >> platform on JDK 8.
> >>
> >> * From Apache NetBeans 19, the minimum JDK required to build and run
> >> the IDE or platform will be JDK 11.
> >>
> >> * Future releases will take an "LTS-1" strategy for building and
> >> running (and CI testing) of the IDE and platform. Three JDKs will be
> >> supported at any one time - the current JDK, plus the previous two LTS
> >> releases. eg. NetBeans 20 and 21 (Nov 2023 / Feb 2024) will support
> >> JDK 11, 17 and 21. NetBeans 22 (May 2024) will support JDK 17, 21 and
> >> 22.
> >>
> >> ## Background
> >>
> >> The Apache NetBeans IDE has officially required JDK 11 to build and
> >> run since NetBeans 13 in March 2022. The platform (and unofficially
> >> the IDE) have continued to support running on JDK 8 - all modules
> >> requiring a higher JDK must currently be optional. Various tests have
> >> continued on JDK 8.
> >>
> >> This situation is causing issues as workarounds must be found for
> >> currently non-optional features that have dependencies or other
> >> requirements for running on a higher JDK (eg. Maven indexing / Lucene
> >> [1]). It's causing delays, complications and missed testing time in
> >> integration of new features (eg. problems merging support for EE 10
> >> [2]). Supporting an increasing range of JDKs is causing increasing
> >> workload, both for people and CI. Meeting the challenges of deprecated
> >> (for removal) features in the JDK is also complicated by the
> >> additional JDK requirements.
> >>
> >> ## Notes
> >>
> >> * Apache NetBeans users will continue to be recommended to use the
> >> current or latest LTS JDK to run the IDE.  The IDE will continue to
> >> support users developing projects for/with JDK 8, for as long as
> >> nb-javac and other dependencies allow.
> >>
> >> * This proposal specifically doesn't address when the default bytecode
> >> level across the codebase is increased. This can happen when required,
> >> but non-optional modules would be free to adopt the minimum JDK as
> >> they need to.
> >>
> >> * Optional modules may continue to require a runtime JDK higher than
> >> the minimum.  Should it become necessary, build time 

Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Yes, they're loading a ton of org.netbeans.modules.cnd modules, which
may be keeping them on older versions of NetBeans Platform, meaning
that they can't move to later JDKs anyway.

Gj

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 2:19 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 13:07, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> > INFO [org.netbeans.core.startup.NbEvents]: Turning on modules:
> > org.openide.util.lookup [8.25.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
>
> Thanks.  Old style spec versions (although more recently compiled!)
> So that module is currently 8.54.  I think it was 8.34 prior to Apache
> donation - 
> https://github.com/emilianbold/netbeans-releases/blob/master/openide.util.lookup/manifest.mf#L4
>
> I'm not sure they're a concern for us right now!
>
> I wonder if they use aspects of old C support?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

INFO [org.netbeans.core.startup.NbEvents]: Turning on modules:
org.openide.util.lookup [8.25.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.util [8.39.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.modules [7.43.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.netbeans.api.annotations.common/1 [1.24.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.filesystems [8.12.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.awt [7.62.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.netbeans.api.progress/1 [1.38.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.dialogs [7.38.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.netbeans.modules.queries/1 [1.39.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.nodes [7.39.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.openide.windows [6.71.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]
org.netbeans.swing.tabcontrol [1.51.1 20221005-cd0c929e4999]

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 1:58 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 12:43, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> > To Karl's question -- the cool new look and feels are not included in
> > the latest Microchip MPLAB X IDE, so it's quite an old version of the
> > NetBeans Platform, ...
>
> Not necessarily.  You have to actively opt in to those.  I implemented
> as a default in the IDE branding, not the platform, where even
> shipping them is optional.
>
> Is View / IDE log there?  If so, what are the versions at the top of
> the log - product and module versions should have the NB version and
> git hash for anything we've released in the last few years.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I'd say those that are arguing for JDK 8 are representing the
traditional NetBeans focus on compatibility and supporting the full
range of Java LTS versions.

However, unless they step in to actively work on that with others,
that is not sustainable given the sheer number and pace of Java
releases versus the number of people willing and able to continue to
support that.

To Karl's question -- the cool new look and feels are not included in
the latest Microchip MPLAB X IDE, so it's quite an old version of the
NetBeans Platform, which they may therefore be completely happy with
and not need to upgrade anyway and so not have any issues with us
dropping JDK 8 -- and by the time they upgrade their NetBeans Platform
version, they'd probably do the same with their JDK version (which
I'll find out when I meet with them).

Gj

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 1:27 PM Glenn Holmer
 wrote:
>
> On 4/11/23 05:55, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Well, what we're trying to do here is keep the whole project together
> > and not branch, which comes down to forking.
>
> When there's an irreconcilable argument about the direction of a
> project, it's the only solution. My hope is that the JDK8 gang will see
> the error of their ways and come back to the fold after losing the vote.
>
> --
> Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
>
>
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Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I download and installed MPLAB X IDE by Microchip today, probably one
of the most widely used NetBeans Platform applications, where I see
this:

Product Version: MPLAB X IDE v6.05
Updates: Updates available
Java: 1.8.0_345; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 25.345-b01
Runtime: OpenJDK Runtime Environment 1.8.0_345-b01
System: Mac OS X version 10.15.7 running on x86_64; UTF-8; en_EN (mplab)

I have a meeting this evening with Vincent Sheard, Associate Director,
Development Tools at Microchip.

Of course, as far as we can tell, they have not contributed anything
to Apache NetBeans and are essentially profiting from the work we're
doing for free.

Still, will be good to hear from them what their perspective is
(possibly they're going to move away from JDK 8 anyway or even from
NetBeans itself to something in a browser, etc).

Also, if the vote succeeds, and we announce our intentions in the
blog, etc, be aware that organizations may pop up and indicate their
concerns etc -- in which case, they'll need to start contributing here
actively, whether on the JDK 8 branch or in the main line.

Those who do not contribute cannot complain.

Gj

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:55 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
>
> Well, what we're trying to do here is keep the whole project together
> and not branch, which comes down to forking.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:19 PM Glenn Holmer
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 4/10/23 10:19, László Kishalmi wrote:
> > > There is a way to support old software, and that is called branching.
> > > It is that simple.
> >
> > If the JDK8 gang had the courage of their convictions, they'd have
> > forked by now instead of pulling the whole project down. They could call
> > it DeadBeans.
> >
> > --
> > Glenn Holmer (Linux registered user #16682)
> > "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Well, what we're trying to do here is keep the whole project together
and not branch, which comes down to forking.

Gj

On Tue, Apr 11, 2023 at 12:19 PM Glenn Holmer
 wrote:
>
> On 4/10/23 10:19, László Kishalmi wrote:
> > There is a way to support old software, and that is called branching.
> > It is that simple.
>
> If the JDK8 gang had the courage of their convictions, they'd have
> forked by now instead of pulling the whole project down. They could call
> it DeadBeans.
>
> --
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> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

Could a consensus solution be that for all JDK 8 - compatibility
related items, any/all work related to that, we assign those issues to
Svata -- and we try this for one release and see how that goes? If it
fails, then in the release after that, we should all then have
consensus to move away from JDK 8.

This does not solve the question of when we'll stop supporting a
particular JDK release -- except that it sounds like "forever, as long
as someone turns up to continue to support that release and in fact
does so".

Gj

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 8:32 PM Michael Bien  wrote:
>
> On 10.04.23 06:20, Michael Bien wrote:
> >
> > Don't let maven distract us here, I only kept mentioning it since that
> > was the area I have been working on. The whole java ecosystem moves
> > on: Jetty, Jakarta EE, Spring, Jenkins, Maven, Lucene, (...)
>
> Since I just read the news in my RSS reader:
>
> ecj, the eclipse compiler did also move from JDK 11 to JDK 17 a few
> weeks ago.
>
> recommended reading (linked comment and PR itself):
>
> https://github.com/eclipse-jdt/eclipse.jdt.core/issues/886#issuecomment-1479528341
>
> best regards,
>
> -mbien
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Re: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

If Jaroslav, Svata, and Toni will take ownership of and be responsible
for ALL items that relate to handling JDK 8 related incompatibilities
and any other issues connected to this, then we may be able to solve
this problem.

I perceive little faith in that this will be done, since this has thus
far not been done -- and various other core contributors have picked
up these tasks so far.

Could we assign any tasks of this kinds to Svata, for example, i.e.,
Svata, would you be the owner of these tasks?

Gj

On Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 6:34 PM John Neffenger  wrote:
>
> On 4/10/23 5:08 AM, Svata Dedic wrote:
> > I am advocating not to drop JDK8 as runtime for NetBeans (extended)
> > Platform, as that decision affects NetBeans-based applications.
> > Microchip IDE, that mining analytic stuff we had presentation a long
> > time ago (but that still IMHO lives), and possibly others.
>
> Unless I'm mistaken, that's the first example of software that could
> potentially run into problems.
>
> Why can't we drop JDK 8 support but delay any actual code changes that
> require JDK 11 for one or two more releases?
>
> If we receive a dozen or more issues due to the decision, we can quickly
> revert with an interim update. If we hear nothing, then perhaps the
> number of software developers who require both the newest NetBeans
> Platform and the oldest JDK LTS is zero.
>
> John
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Re: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

One strand that comes through in this discussion is that those that want to
continue JDK 8 should also be the owners of it.

It is clear that a level of exhaustion is being reached by the majority of
the core contributors of this project.

A bigger risk than us losing the ability to run projects dependent on JDK 8
is losing the majority of the community of collaborators who together have
been keeping us alive in Apache.

Gj


On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 16:13, Scott Palmer  wrote:

> As far as basing decisions on actual data goes, I agree completely.  Do we
> have any data on how many users would be affected by dropping JDK 8 support
> in future NetBeans versions?  I’m talking real numbers here, not a few
> people stating, “I would like it to run on Java 8”.
>
> That is:
> - How many users are on a platform that can’t run Java 11 (either due to
> technical issues or company policies)?
> - How many users NEED to move to a future NB platform? (The answer must be
> zero, as they don’t even know what the future NB platform offers at the
> moment.)
>
> Those are the users that should be counted, and I haven’t seen any data on
> how big that set of users is relative to the entire NB user base.  Those
> proposing continued Java 8 support need to supply this data to validate
> their argument.
>
> My gut instinct is that there are very few users that fit that criteria,
> and those that do could be supported by the few developers that have
> volunteered to keep Java 8 working.
>
> Mind you, I also think that if there is data suggesting that this subset
> of users is significant, then it also suggests that they might have the
> resources to support a Java 8 fork and allow the mainstream NB to not be
> anchored in the past. IMO dropping Java 8 support is a few years overdue
> already.
>
> I do laugh at the idea of Window XP support though. Windows XP was EOL 9
> years ago.  It is absurd to suggest continued support for it in NB. Have we
> learned nothing from the ridiculous limitations imposed by DOS that are
> still present in Windows 11? I’ve seen a few Java projects fail to build
> because of those limitations.  That’s what clinging to backwards
> compatibility for too long gets you.
>
>
> Regards,
>
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Re: AW: [Lazy Consensus] Minimum JDK build and run policy (dropping JDK 8)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

My feeling on this discussion is that, yes, it’s unfortunate that we’re
getting to fruitful discussion only at this late stage — but better late
than never and without this useful thread we wouldn’t have been getting
where we’re getting at all.

Could one way forward be to do a Zoom call with all those invested in this
(and then bring everything decided back to this mailing list) during the
coming week, unless we can already predict that that will not bring us
further.

Gj

On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 12:46, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Mon, 10 Apr 2023 at 00:16, Svata Dedic 
> wrote:
> > Please remember that the published proposal not only covered JDK8's
> > fate, which we argue about right now, but also the idea to drop JDK11 in
> > 2024. So take my
> >
> > * -1 (at the moment) for JDK8 phase out with NB19;
> > * and ANOTHER -1 to the JDK11 plans as presented in this thread (but
> > that should be discussed separately anyway, not hidden in dropping JDK8
> > thread)
>
> Thank you for your input, and for doing so in a detailed way that
> doesn't try to sideline the issues people have raised.  I've
> personally been wanting to see your input on this for the weeks,
> months actually, that this conversation has been ongoing.  This would
> have been more useful to consider prior to this thread and the policy
> being written.  It's certainly not been written as *my* preferred way
> forward (it isn't) but trying to find a way between all the
> viewpoints, and with some feedback from the people making them.
>
> Adding all this on the last day of this thread / day before opening a
> vote thread now gives us a dilemma.  Do we allow this discussion to
> continue to try and find further compromise before voting?  We need a
> decision before NB18 freeze (well, before 18-rc1 anyway), so that
> would likely lead to a need to delay that.  Or do we punt the decision
> for 3 months?
>
> There was no intention to "hide" the JDK 11 part.  Minimum JDK policy
> is literally the title of this thread.  Multiple people have suggested
> moving (back) to an LTS-1 plan when finally dropping JDK 8 in both
> recent and past discussions.  It's close I believe to how NetBeans
> operated pre-ASF?
>
> I do think the two things must be decided together.  While I disagree
> with a lot of Jaroslav's arguments, trust of users, and particularly
> platform developers, is key.  Part of that is being clear about what
> they can realistically expect from us in future, and time to plan for
> that.  That is one reason for pushing the decision to be made before
> we announce 18-rc1, and included in that announcement.  Dropping in
> NB19 without pre-announcing is wrong IMO.  Announcing with rc1 is an
> extra impetus for any affected users to test things that impact them.
>
> Another reason would be the same reason I pushed for the release
> schedule - so we don't have to keep repeating these long, draining,
> and in this matter damaging, discussions every time!
>
> > - I do not think that sufficient relevant data for the decision was
> > collected; I think that we did not even start to collect it.
>
> That depends!   Certainly enough data on dependencies, or problems in
> delivering features and fixes, had been collected to prompt the
> conversations in the first place.
>
> But the relevant data is primarily internal, not external.  ASF is
> community over code.  We rely on what our contributors want to put
> their time into.  And we cannot promise to deliver what they are not
> willing to.  And, yes, I realise you are, but one active contributor
> still does not an IDE make! :-)
>
> If any outside platform user is actually bothered about this, they
> should be actively contributing and supporting what they care about,
> or paying one of the contributors to care for them!  As Michael put
> it, "skin in the game".  I've spent two decades working with
> open-source, but it's certainly not to put my free time into doing
> somebody else's job for them.
>
> > I'd like to offer some coding support to retain JDK8 as well - but
> > (which IMHO did not happened really during past heated exchanges) need
> > to agree on support scope before committing.
>
> If that is to happen, that will also involve someone who cares about
> that joining the release team .. from NB18!
>
> > I'd like to emphasize that
> > *runtime* compatibility should be treated separately from *development*
> > environment requirements.
>
> I asked a few times previously whether that means you could support an
> LTS-2 approach to runtime once JDK 8 is dropped?  Or do you think
> whatever runtime policy we have should not be linked to the JDK
> release schedule, and why?
>
> > I would also (now) ask to restrict from
> > advocating language goodies
>
> No-one has argued that as a reason AFAIK!  This is primarily
> dependencies, ecosystem, infrastructure, time for (or impossibility of
> in some cases) delivering via optional bridges ...
>
> > This really mean to *abandon the
> > users*, as they will 

[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 17 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans
17 was released on February 21, 2023.

What's in the Apache NetBeans 17 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/17

With thanks to 36 contributors, including some who have contributed
for the first time. Thank you!

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb17/

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Martin, Geertjan

on behalf of Apache NetBeans PMC

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 17

[Geertjan Wielenga]

[X] yes / +1
[ ] no / -1 (please justify -1)
[X] binding (member of PMC)

My vote is based on

[X] I have built and tested the source with Azul Zulu build of OpenJDK
17.06 on Mac OS X Catalina 10.15.7
[ ] I have tested the binary zip
[ ] I have tested the DEB installer
[ ] I have tested the Maven artefacts
[ ] I have tested the VSCode extension

Thanks,

Gj

On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 5:28 AM Junichi Yamamoto  wrote:
>
> [X] yes / +1
> [ ] no / -1 (please justify -1)
> [X] binding (member of PMC)
>
> My vote is based on
>
> [X] I have built and tested the source with OpenJDK 11.0.17 on Ubuntu
> 22.04 (required)
> [X] I have tested the binary zip with OpenJDK 11.0.17 on Ubuntu 22.04
> [X] I have tested the DEB installer(s) with OpenJDK 11.0.17 on Ubuntu 22.04
> [ ] I have tested the Maven artefacts
> [ ] I have tested the VSCode extension
>
> Thanks,
> Junichi
> On Fri, Feb 17, 2023 at 12:14 AM Neil C Smith  wrote:
> >
> > This is our first voting candidate for the release of Apache NetBeans 17.
> >
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> > note all requirements
> > below for validating sources and convenience binaries before voting.
> >
> > Apache NetBeans 17 constitutes all clusters in the Apache NetBeans Git
> > repository,
> > which together provide the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the underlying
> > application framework),
> > as well as all the modules that provide the Java SE, Java EE, PHP,
> > JavaScript and Groovy
> > features of Apache NetBeans.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Build artefacts are available here :
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> > NB. ignore the build showing as aborted - caused by cancelling push to
> > nightlies.
> >
> > 
> >
> > We are primarily voting on :
> >
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Re: 17 blocker? — [apache/netbeans] no library found for namespace http://omnifaces.org/ui (Issue #4976)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

OK, let’s prioritize for the next release and note as a known error to be
fixed ASAP since it blocks all usage of Java/Jakarta EE.

Gj

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 at 10:07, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 at 08:24, Geertjan Wielenga 
> wrote:
> > Do we have an assessment on the below, why it’s happening and what should
> > be done — I thought a lot of Jakarta EE work had been done recently,
> could
> > this be included?
>
> If you or anyone else wants to call this a blocker, please let's do so
> quickly.  The release build is already done, the signing part was
> going to be over the next couple of days.  If we call a blocker after
> that, it's a few hours work across 4 people that we'll need to throw
> away!
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
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Re: no library found for namespace http://omnifaces.org/ui #4976

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Thanks!

Gj

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 at 09:51, Michael Bien  wrote:

> Hi Geertjan,
>
> On 14.02.23 12:50, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Hi all, especially Ondro, Gaurav, and others,
>
> might be worth to @ the devs directly under the issue on github. Emails
> are sometimes overlooked esp during noisy days.
>
>
> but regarding the enterprise cluster in general:
>
> it will need more work over the next releases, good news is that PRs are
> already lining up for NB 18:
>
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pulls?q=is%3Apr+label%3A%22Java+EE%2FJakarta+EE%22++milestone%3ANB18+
>
> best regards,
>
> michael
>
> >
> > Can we take a look at this, do we have a solution for it:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4976
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Gj
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17 blocker? — [apache/netbeans] no library found for namespace http://omnifaces.org/ui (Issue #4976)

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

Do we have an assessment on the below, why it’s happening and what should
be done — I thought a lot of Jakarta EE work had been done recently, could
this be included?

Gj

On Wed, 15 Feb 2023 at 09:08, Frank Cornelis 
wrote:

> Tried out NetBeans version 17-RC3. Unfortunately this issue is still
> present.
> On a Java EE 8 project NetBeans does not recognize xmlns:p="
> http://primefaces.org/ui;, i.e., red all over the place. Same remark for
> a Quarkus project using JSF.
>
> On a Jakarta EE 10 project NetBeans does not recognize
> xmlns:h="jakarta.faces.html", but there xmlns:p="http://primefaces.org/ui;
> is OK.
> Could somebody have a look at this before version 17? Such basic
> functionality should not get broken.
>
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Re: no library found for namespace http://omnifaces.org/ui #4976

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Some investigation has already been done in the issue above, has this
been covered in the recent Jakarta EE work or is this different?

Gj

On Tue, Feb 14, 2023 at 12:50 PM Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:
>
> Hi all, especially Ondro, Gaurav, and others,
>
> Can we take a look at this, do we have a solution for it:
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4976
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj

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no library found for namespace http://omnifaces.org/ui #4976

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all, especially Ondro, Gaurav, and others,

Can we take a look at this, do we have a solution for it:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4976

Thanks,

Gj

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Re: Bill of Materials POMs for Netbeans Modules

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Maybe relevant:
https://foojay.io/today/sboms-first-steps-in-a-new-journey-for-developers/

Gj

On Sun, Feb 12, 2023 at 8:11 PM Edwin F.  wrote:
>
> Thanks Neil
> Gonna try it. I'll keep posting.
> BR,
> ===
> Edwin F. López A.
> ===

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Re: Rust, anyone?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Would be very cool as a plugin, I think. Looking forward to trying it
and congrats!

Gj

On Sat, Feb 11, 2023 at 3:54 PM Antonio  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Is there interest in adding Rust support to NetBeans?
>
> I have a minimal cluster with Rust support, but I'm not sure I'll be
> able to maintain it. Maybe a plugin is a better idea?
>
> Thanks,
> Antonio
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Re: [slack] Is it still used?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

The Foojay.io Slack is very welcome and open to NetBeans, where we can
easily add a new channel.

bit.ly/join-foojay-slack

Go there to join it.

Gj

On Wed, 1 Feb 2023 at 17:16, Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am not really used to Slack so pardon me if my question seems obvious.
>
> I saw that there is a Slack community about netbeans. I joined it, but
> noticed a trial period count down. I suppose it is related to the space
> itself and not my membership.
>
> Now it has expired.
>
> Is Slack still actively used by the community or was it just a trial?
>
> Apart from the mailing lists are there other locations "a la" Slack to
> discuss NB topics. Github?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JMB
>

[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 16 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans
16 was released on November 30, 2022 (though there's been a delay in
announcing the release).

What's in the Apache NetBeans 16 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/16

With thanks to 26 contributors, including some who have contributed
for the first time. Thank you!

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Martin, Geertjan

on behalf of Apache NetBeans PMC

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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

OK.

Neil, Eric, can I go ahead with the tweet, blog, announcements to the
mailing lists (don't want to do it too early if anything is still out
standing).

Gj

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022 at 8:28 AM Laszlo Kishalmi
 wrote:
>
> Just checked the Download page.
>
> I would not mind if the Changes (ChangelLog, etc.) would have it's own
> section, even if it would be just the link on the GitHub Release Page. I
> found that link hard enough at the 4th glimpse, it's 23:00+ here though.
>
> On 12/7/22 21:29, Geertjan Wielenga wrote:
> > Done, say the word, and I'll send out release announcements, put out
> > the blog post, and tweet.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:30 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
> >> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 16:32, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> >>> I'll get on with archiving NB 15 and adding the notification.
> >> OK, archiving done and notification added to NB15 update centre.
> >>
> >> Links on the NB15 web page will break shortly and until that PR is merged.
> >>
> >> Martin - I didn't archive VSCode 15 or 15.0.301.  Both need removing
> >> from SVN too, but I wasn't sure if any links need updating elsewhere
> >> to allow this?
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Neil
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Done, say the word, and I'll send out release announcements, put out
the blog post, and tweet.

Gj

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 6:30 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 16:32, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> > I'll get on with archiving NB 15 and adding the notification.
>
> OK, archiving done and notification added to NB15 update centre.
>
> Links on the NB15 web page will break shortly and until that PR is merged.
>
> Martin - I didn't archive VSCode 15 or 15.0.301.  Both need removing
> from SVN too, but I wasn't sure if any links need updating elsewhere
> to allow this?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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NetBeans at FOSDEM

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

We've historically had a pretty good time at FOSDEM over the past
years, with sessions and beers and catching up with people in hotel
lobbies.

https://foojay.io/today/friends-of-openjdk-at-fosdem-2023/

The chance exists again to have that experience, the day for our
content is Sunday 5 February, feel free to put lots of content in, we
have until the 10th to do so, i.e., the coming weekend, so next much
time, but would be great to see several NetBeans people and sessions
again. :-)

Gj

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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Let me know when ready, will then post tweet and blog.

Gj

On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 10:36, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 at 09:22, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> >
> > Great, it works now, needed to refresh the page.
> >
> > I believe everything is updated now for 16.
>
> Thanks.  Looks good.  I'll close the final Linux artefact vote shortly
> and add that in.  I'll also then make sure the NB15 links go to the
> archive, push the notification via the NB15 update centre and remove
> NB15 from dist.a.o today.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, it works now, needed to refresh the page.

I believe everything is updated now for 16.

Gj

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:20 AM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
>
> But https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb15/index.html works, while
> https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/index.html does not.
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:09 AM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> >
> > Great, thanks.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 1:10 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, just fixed the link to vote thread
> > >
> > > Eric
> > >
> > > -Message d'origine-
> > > De : Neil C Smith 
> > > Envoyé : mardi 6 décembre 2022 11:46
> > > À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > > Objet : Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update
> > >
> > > On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 07:23, Geertjan Wielenga 
> > >  wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Page for 16 is here but not displaying:
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache
> > > > .org/src/content/download/nb16
> > >
> > > Seems OK now - https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/ ?
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
> > > -
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

But https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb15/index.html works, while
https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/index.html does not.

Gj

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 10:09 AM Geertjan Wielenga
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>
> Great, thanks.
>
> Gj
>
> On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 1:10 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
> >
> > Hi, just fixed the link to vote thread
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > -Message d'origine-
> > De : Neil C Smith 
> > Envoyé : mardi 6 décembre 2022 11:46
> > À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> > Objet : Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update
> >
> > On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 07:23, Geertjan Wielenga 
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Page for 16 is here but not displaying:
> > >
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache
> > > .org/src/content/download/nb16
> >
> > Seems OK now - https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/ ?
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, thanks.

Gj

On Tue, Dec 6, 2022 at 1:10 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> Hi, just fixed the link to vote thread
>
> Eric
>
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Neil C Smith 
> Envoyé : mardi 6 décembre 2022 11:46
> À : dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Objet : Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update
>
> On Tue, 6 Dec 2022 at 07:23, Geertjan Wielenga 
>  wrote:
> >
> > Page for 16 is here but not displaying:
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache
> > .org/src/content/download/nb16
>
> Seems OK now - https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb16/ ?
>
> Neil
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Page for 16 is here but not displaying:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans-website/tree/master/netbeans.apache.org/src/content/download/nb16

Gj

On Mon, 5 Dec 2022 at 14:43, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Great, working on it.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:41 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 16:34, Geertjan Wielenga
> >  wrote:
> > > Once the installers are there, let me know, will then provide pages
> for 16.
> >
> > Everything except the Linux DEB package, which requires one more vote,
> > is now in place.  I'd go ahead with the page and we can update as/when
> > that is ready.  Both ASF DEB and RPM are new anyway, and will need
> > adding in, so could be listed later.  We're already getting questions
> > about where to download 16.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
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> >
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, working on it.

Gj

On Mon, Dec 5, 2022 at 2:41 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 16:34, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> > Once the installers are there, let me know, will then provide pages for 16.
>
> Everything except the Linux DEB package, which requires one more vote,
> is now in place.  I'd go ahead with the page and we can update as/when
> that is ready.  Both ASF DEB and RPM are new anyway, and will need
> adding in, so could be listed later.  We're already getting questions
> about where to download 16.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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Re: [RELEASES] Post-vote release update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Once the installers are there, let me know, will then provide pages for 16.

Gj

On Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 5:02 PM Eric Barboni  wrote:
>
> To draft a new release as we did not merge #4826 :p
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases
> click button on right draft new release
> Choose a tag => 16
> Title is: Apache NetBeans 16
> On the editor previous tag => choose 15
> Click on Generate release notes
> And publish release  (Step executed but saved as draft)
>
> The change logs is huge and the new contributor are not visible. It would be 
> cool not to edit that and use #4826 later.
>
> Sometime we should just MERGE  and fix aftewards as it impacts github only
>
> Will publish the maven bits to central.
>
> Eric
> -Message d'origine-
> De : Neil C Smith 
> Envoyé : mercredi 30 novembre 2022 15:54
> À : dev 
> Objet : [RELEASES] Post-vote release update
>
> Hi Eric, Geertjan, Martin,
>
> Following close of Apache NetBeans 16 vote I've moved the main artefacts to 
> release, and uploaded the catalogs to the update centre on the VM and updated 
> .htaccess there.  Although tasks.jar test is failing until the files make the 
> CDN.
>
> Apache NetBeans 15 is left in place until the rest of the artefacts for 16 
> are ready, and the NB15 website page is updated with archive links and 
> replaced as main download page by NB16.  Geertjan, you OK to handle web 
> updates?
>
> Git tag is done.  Eric, what's the current process for getting release notes?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Netbeans Vision / Roadmap

[Geertjan Wielenga]

As every release, we add to the release what individual contributors want
to contribute, we will release 4 times per year. I don’t see this roadmap
changing.

Gj

On Wed, 30 Nov 2022 at 13:42, Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Hi dear PMCs,
>
> I would like to reactivate this discussion, because we (our team) are
> wondering if there is still a roadmap for the forthcoming releases
> somewhere. The
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule
> confluence page contains very few (not say no) information about this.
>
> Am I missing something or did something change for the release management?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JMB
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2020 at 11:06 AM Eric Bresie  wrote:
>
> > There has been recent discussions on vision and roadmap for Netbeans
> > development and the need to discuss so thought I would start a new thread
> > to discuss.
> >
> > From my understanding when under Oracle stewardship there more funded
> > individuals to support these sorts of things but now that it has been
> > donated to be an Apache project this now becomes the responsibility of
> the
> > community to pick this up.
> >
> > In the past there has been community release / roadmaps (1) (2) and with
> > transition some similar Apache wiki flavors(3).
> >
> > Assuming what is needed is maybe a new “Roadmap” and or “Vision” subpage
> on
> > Netbeans wiki page (4) as a starter.
> >
> > Milestone could be identified based on this.
> >
> > Assuming specific features, refractors, improvements would further be
> > captured and come in the form of existing or new JIRA tickets (5) and
> when
> > ready for acceptance then on the github project (6) a git Pull Requests
> > (PR) (7) and tagged towards given milestones with progress updates on the
> > roadmap where applicable
> >
> > Assume some possibilities going forward could be...
> >
> > - improve publicity  and/or improve communication for the project (11) to
> > get more interest in development (14) and usage
> > - to do a triage of existing issues, grouping if not already where
> > possible, getting rid of already closed, rejected, duplicates, or OBE
> items
> > (5)
> > - improve and update documentation to be more up to date (4) (9) (10)
> (14)
> > - update or document process documentation (release process, etc.)
> > - performance assessment and improvements
> > - where applicable possible codebase refactoring to cleanup, deprecate,
> > identify areas of improvement, etc.
> > - complete integration of any community / contributions products (15)
> (16)
> > - further plug-in migration to new plugins infrastructure where
> applicable
> > - improve LSP (13) support to include of new or existing languages
> (Kotlin
> > (12), python, etc.)
> > - Possible improvements in trending development areas (cloud development,
> > container development, data science, new languages, etc.)
> > - Netbeans GUI to FX based UI
> > - Netbean platform updates where applicable
> > - Update with New Java features or removal/migration of deprecated
> > within Netbeans
> > codebase (modules, records, deprecate apis, etc.) Note: This would
> require
> > updating JDK dependency as applicable
> >
> > I know some aspects of these suggestions may exist in some form or
> another,
> > some of this is due to my lack of specifics on some of this.  That or
> this
> > is what happens when you can’t sleep at night ;-)
> >
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebre...@gmail.com
> >
> > (1) https://netbeans.org/community/releases/roadmap.html
> >
> > (2)
> > https://netbeans.org/community/releases/
> >
> > (3)
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule
> >
> > (4)
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+NetBeansi
> >
> > (5)
> > https://issues.apache.org/jira/projects/NETBEANS/issues
> >
> > (6)
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans
> >
> > (7)
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pulls
> > (8) https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/README.md
> >
> > (9) https://netbeans.apache.org/help/index.html
> >
> > (10) https://netbeans.org/kb/
> >
> > (11) https://netbeans.apache.org/community/mailing-lists.html
> >
> > (12)
> >
> >
> https://blogs.apache.org/netbeans/entry/initial-language-server-protocol-support
> >
> > (13) https://langserver.org/
> >
> > (14) https://netbeans.apache.org/wiki/index.asciidoc
> >
> > (15)
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
> >
> > (16)
> > https://hg.netbeans.org/
> >
> > --
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebre...@gmail.com
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 16

[Geertjan Wielenga]

+1 (binding)

openjdk 11.0.13 2021-10-19 LTS
OpenJDK Runtime Environment Zulu11.52+13-CA (build 11.0.13+8-LTS)
OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Zulu11.52+13-CA (build 11.0.13+8-LTS, mixed mode)

Built basic and then full, both work, and everything runs smoothly.

The main problem that I have is that since my laptop hasn't overheated
after NetBeans 16 started up, I don't know anymore when I have it up
and running in the background. :-)

Gj

On Wed, Nov 23, 2022 at 4:47 AM Kai Uwe Pel  wrote:
>
> +1 (non-binding)
>
> GPG ok
> Sha512 ok
> Windows 10  Version 22H2 / RedHat 8.6
> JDK 17.0.5
>
> Looks great!
>
> Best regards,
> Kai Uwe Pel
>
> On 11/21/2022 5:52 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > This is our first voting candidate for the release of Apache NetBeans 16.
> >
> > Please note all requirements below for validating sources and
> > convenience binaries before voting.
> >
> > Apache NetBeans 16 constitutes all clusters in the Apache NetBeans Git
> > repository, which together provide the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the
> > underlying application framework), as well as all the modules that
> > provide the Java SE, Java EE, PHP, JavaScript and Groovy features of
> > Apache NetBeans.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Build artefacts are available here :
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/16/
> >
> > They were built by the Jenkins pipeline :
> >
> > https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release160/11/
> >
> > 
> >
> > We are primarily voting on :
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/16/netbeans-16-source.zip
> >
> > SHA512 : 
> > 6a329b87558e0841252b66b1364f1d45aaba7c1f8efa3b8c70c993fcf4e18c371828f86d5c28f127b8e776591e037f9b540a3e38c0aec48a413682fad6c24941
> >
> > KEYS file : https://downloads.apache.org/netbeans/KEYS
> >
> > 
> >
> > Associated with the primary source item we have, generated with the
> > pipeline mentioned above :
> >
> > -- at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/16/
> >
> > Binaries associated with the source - netbeans-16-bin.zip as well as
> > update content under the nbms folder.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Maven Artefacts
> >
> > The Maven artefacts for Apache NetBeans 16 are ready on staging
> > associated to this vote.
> >
> > https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1122/
> >
> > The version is : RELEASE160
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [PLUGINS][RELEASES] Preparation for NetBeans 16 plugins

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, thank you for your work.

Gj

On Sun, 20 Nov 2022 at 11:31, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Oct 2022 at 10:04, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> > I totally agree with the points raised there.  We haven't had a
> > vaguely useful plugin catalog since NetBeans 13.  The plugin catalog
> > for 16 is currently empty, so we're missing possibilities for testing.
> >
> > IMO an empty plugin catalog is a reason to delay the release of
> > NetBeans 16 until it's ready.
>
> So, we made a decision to hold fire on the release vote on this.  The
> plugin catalog does now have some plugins in it, and at least enough
> to test setup.
>
> I triggered a release build yesterday which is complete.  I can
> proceed with signing and uploading for voting in the next few days
> unless anyone thinks we should wait longer?  I don't think there are
> any other issues holding us up now?  Hopefully we can still see some
> more plugins verified in the week or so before we're ready to
> announce.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Indeed, as always, of course, you can run NetBeans on a JDK and run
your projects on any other JDK.

However, the place where nb-javac is used is within the Java editor
right now and, potentially, also when NetBeans is built (which is what
the discussion is about), which would mean that JDK would be a JRE
only, with all its tools, e.g., javac, not being used.

There are advantages and disadvantages to this, as to anything else
that is meaningful in life. :-)

Gj

On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 9:43 AM Anton V. Kirilchik
 wrote:
>
> I think we should divide JDK that NetBeans developed uder and run on, with
> the JDKs under which projects are developed.
> As example NB itself run on JDK 17, but i want use JDK from 8 to 17 for my
> projects.
>
> Is it possible, to do it like in Idea, which runs on jdk distributed with,
> and each project in idea can be built and run on diferrent JDK?
>
> If it is possible, do we need nb-javac for it, or don't?
>
> If nb-javac is not needed for this, what other reasons to support it?
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 27, 2022 at 3:53 AM Michael Bien  wrote:
>
> >
> > just to clarify:
> >
> > I don't think anybody suggested to drop Java 8 support in the NetBeans
> > editor.
> >
> > Imagine nb-javac as a dependency like any other artifact. If NB wants to
> > support Java X, it would have to get a javac which supports java X from
> > somewhere. If nb-javac would be gone, NB 16 would have to run on JDK 19
> > and use it's javac to get support for JDK 19.
> >
> > Since JDK 19 supports Java 8 perfectly fine - nobody has to worry. There
> > are also no indications that Java 8 support will be dropped from javac
> > during the LTS lifespan of Java 8. nb-javac does not influence what java
> > version the editor can support, it adds the capability to run NB on
> > older JDKs. Since nb-javac is generated from the JDK repository, it
> > would also not magically provide JDK 8 support forever in the very
> > unlikely event of OpenJDK dropping support for the java 1.8 target.
> >
> >
> > The discussion is roughly about this:
> >
> > should NetBeans add nb-javac to more stages of its project lifecycle
> > (for example build), or should NB strive to minimize the dependency on
> > nb-javac. So that maybe, one day in the future, it could be removed.
> > This would mean that NB_the_IDE (not the platform) would not be able to
> > _run_ on JDK 8 anymore (thunder in the background), it would be locked
> > to the current JDK release which is already conveniently synced with
> > NB's release cycle.
> >
> > I am not going to repeat all the advantages of this setup, but it would
> > reach from simplified CI, to being actually able to use recent APIs in
> > NetBeans_the_project. If this turns out to be unrealistic (there are
> > risks and potential problems), it could still turn out to be better to
> > only backport nb-javac to the latest LTS release, instead of all the way
> > down to 8 once NB can bootstrap its own JDK runtime.
> >
> > Even if this doesn't happen I don't quite see the benefit in compiling
> > NetBeans with nb-javac outside from the fact that it is theoretically
> > possible.
> >
> > (I am in the minimize the dependency camp in case someone is wondering ;))
> >
> > best regards,
> > -mbien
> >
> >
> > On 27.10.22 01:08, Scott Palmer wrote:
> > > JDK 8 is still supported by Oracle.  Dropping it should happen when it
> > makes sense, after support  has ended.  If you need to work on Java
> > versions prior to 8, first, I’m sorry, you have my sympathy, second,
> > download an older version of NetBeans that supports it - if you are living
> > in the past go all-in. :-)
> > >
> > > I still have to make Java 8 compatible output for some projects.  If
> > that means I have to use NB 16 or 15 instead of 17, so be it.  I would
> > absolutely not want NB to be held back by a need to support ancient tech.
> > Microsoft does that with Windows and we are still living with the insanity
> > of DOS drive letters and path limits because of it!
> > >
> > >  From the sounds of it, nb-javac is a relic that shouldn’t be needed…
> > cut it out.  Tooling (Maven/Gradle) can support alternative compilers in
> > some cases… maybe if those compilers are compatible with the javac API they
> > can integrate with NB for better editor feedback or whatever. If someone
> > wants to support nb-javac as an optional plugin fine, but overall the
> > platform needs to move forward, not hold on to the past.  Apache shouldn’t
> > directly concern itself with nb-javac anymore.
> > >

Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Just been looking into open source work done in the context of the
European Union and one of the key applications there requires JDK 8:

https://github.com/l-e-x/leos

I.e., we need to stop thinking that Java 8 is somehow dead or
ethically or otherwise problematic -- it's simply what a great deal of
applications use and any strategy we come up with needs to cater to
Java 8.

Gj

On Wed, Oct 26, 2022 at 10:57 PM Glenn Holmer
 wrote:
>
> On 10/25/22 22:48, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote:
> > I'm confused as well. Still not clear, what are we about to solve here.
> > Use new lang spec with old runtimes? I do not have granny issues...
>
> Also confused. If this is all so people can still code for Java 8 in
> this day and age, I say drop support for JDK8 ("Nuke the site from
> orbit, it's the only way to be sure"). I may be out of touch, being
> retired for eight years now, but IMHO anyone still using Java 8 would be
> better off to stay in his parents' basement with his VAX-11 coding
> assembly language. It's getting as bad as the Python 2/3 thing was.
>
> And if it's so you can code using new features not available in the JDK
> you're using... use the newer JDK! I just don't understand any of this,
> but I do remember a time when NetBeans was the leader in out-of-box
> support for new language features.
>
> > The examples of Java 17 has no support for Java 6 target, makes this
> > discussion ridiculous.
>
> +1, what are we even talking about here? Java 6? seriously?
>
> --
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> "After the vintage season came the aftermath -- and Cenbe."
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Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

The direction is clear — we all work together on NetBeans and, since we’re
all different people with different perspectives, we share our different
ideas and perspectives, discuss them, and provide pull requests based on
our ideas and perspectives. Some are accepted and some not, depending on
how clear and persuasive we are.

Gj



On Wed, 26 Oct 2022 at 22:12, Ernie Rael  wrote:

> On 22/10/24 9:42 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > OTOH, I don't think this is all suited to technical discussion on
> > individual code changes either, as there are also questions of broad
> > direction of travel raised here that need to be reconciled.
> >
> In the before time, in the Kingdom of Java, NetBeans was in thrall to
> Java but held the prominent position of easily allowing the first use of
> new features in Java. After the Java Kingdom was broken apart, NetBeans
> lost much and without the support of the powerful Java overlords
> NetBeans was diminished and scattered to the four winds. NetBeans found
> refuge in the powerful walled city state of Apache; where residents are
> only allowed commerce with those within its walls or with some who it
> explicitly approves. NetBeans has a loyal following, some who are
> aligned with Apache, and some who would remain in thrall to Java, and
> some who find solace in NetBeans' culture; they are a varied lot and
> their determination keeps NetBeans alive and growing. But NetBeans
> struggles to work with those outside of Apache's allies or even to
> accept contributions from those external to it through the magical
> portal. In the new order, NetBeans endeavors to compete and grow, to
> find its niche and regain its prominence; but it lacks distinction, and
> a clear path, and goals, and direction.
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Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I take the above back -- nb-javac is developed by Jaroslav Tulach, and
whoever contributes, e.g., Dusan Balek.

https://github.com/JaroslavTulach/nb-javac/

Where should it be, Neil? It can't be here at Apache because of its
licensing. Isn't it fine where it is and under active development via
Jaroslav and others?

Where should it be on Maven Central where it is not versus where it is now?

Gj


On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 2:43 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
>
> (But, of course, we already are dependent on nb-javac, nothing changes there.)
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> >
> > I’d vote against at the moment, since we’d be dependent on nb-javac, the 
> > development and ownership of which is indeed a bit fuzzy.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:51, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> >>
> >> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 12:31, Geertjan Wielenga
> >>  wrote:
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:25 PM Neil C Smith  
> >> > wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Multiple people have expressed massive reservations on this already.
> >> > > Michael expressed a -0.99 already.  Given code changes are really +1
> >> > > or -1 anyway, I'll lend the -0.01 until his and other reservations are
> >> > > adequately considered at least.
> >> >
> >> > I thought the objections were to frgraal, not to nb-javac.
> >>
> >> To both - see also
> >> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z0fx3b2vrjx2rqlf07mfr493tqnmc51b
> >>
> >> Some of the reservations brought up about frgaal apply to both too
> >> (non-standard build).
> >>
> >> I share some of the reservations, but also see some of the benefits.
> >> I'm mostly concerned about the distinct lack of consensus on this as a
> >> way forward.
> >>
> >> Maybe a straight vote on this is the way forward, and we live with the
> >> consequences either way?!
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
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Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

(But, of course, we already are dependent on nb-javac, nothing changes there.)

Gj

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:59 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
>
> I’d vote against at the moment, since we’d be dependent on nb-javac, the 
> development and ownership of which is indeed a bit fuzzy.
>
> Gj
>
> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:51, Neil C Smith  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 12:31, Geertjan Wielenga
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:25 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Multiple people have expressed massive reservations on this already.
>> > > Michael expressed a -0.99 already.  Given code changes are really +1
>> > > or -1 anyway, I'll lend the -0.01 until his and other reservations are
>> > > adequately considered at least.
>> >
>> > I thought the objections were to frgraal, not to nb-javac.
>>
>> To both - see also
>> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z0fx3b2vrjx2rqlf07mfr493tqnmc51b
>>
>> Some of the reservations brought up about frgaal apply to both too
>> (non-standard build).
>>
>> I share some of the reservations, but also see some of the benefits.
>> I'm mostly concerned about the distinct lack of consensus on this as a
>> way forward.
>>
>> Maybe a straight vote on this is the way forward, and we live with the
>> consequences either way?!
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Neil
>>
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Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

I’d vote against at the moment, since we’d be dependent on nb-javac, the
development and ownership of which is indeed a bit fuzzy.

Gj

On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 13:51, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Mon, 24 Oct 2022 at 12:31, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:25 PM Neil C Smith 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > Multiple people have expressed massive reservations on this already.
> > > Michael expressed a -0.99 already.  Given code changes are really +1
> > > or -1 anyway, I'll lend the -0.01 until his and other reservations are
> > > adequately considered at least.
> >
> > I thought the objections were to frgraal, not to nb-javac.
>
> To both - see also
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/z0fx3b2vrjx2rqlf07mfr493tqnmc51b
>
> Some of the reservations brought up about frgaal apply to both too
> (non-standard build).
>
> I share some of the reservations, but also see some of the benefits.
> I'm mostly concerned about the distinct lack of consensus on this as a
> way forward.
>
> Maybe a straight vote on this is the way forward, and we live with the
> consequences either way?!
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

On Mon, Oct 24, 2022 at 1:25 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> Multiple people have expressed massive reservations on this already.
> Michael expressed a -0.99 already.  Given code changes are really +1
> or -1 anyway, I'll lend the -0.01 until his and other reservations are
> adequately considered at least.

I thought the objections were to frgraal, not to nb-javac.

> And finally, what is the long term future of nb-javac and is its long
> term development sustainable and responsive to our needs?  Because
> that can't be here, and it's not currently in the Oracle repository or
> Maven namespace that was originally proposed here and to ASF legal
> either.

Yes, valid concerns. Especially now that the main promoter of this
idea is now not at Oracle anymore.

Gj


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nb-javac for building NetBeans itself

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

Right now, when we build NetBeans, we’re using the javac from the JDK that
we’re using to do the build — so that we’re dependent on the JDK team,
which can decide to drop features.

If, instead, we were to set the compiler in NetBeans the build script, to
nb-javac, which is available on Maven Central and is compatible with javac,
and is used as part of NetBeans already at runtime, and runs on JDK 8 or
later — unlike javac which is tied to the JDK against which we’re doing the
build — we would be even more independent and we’d be able to build for
future JDKs, we would not have a need for a minimum JDK.

The module definition in project.properties of each module could define its
javac target version. We could have a module using virtual threads, set to
target 19, where it would be disable if not run on JDK 19.

The Disco module, right now, cannot be compiled on JDK 8 because it sets
its target to 11, though if nb-javac were used during the build, because
nb-javac right now supports everything up to 19.

So, switching to nb-javac sounds like a sensible thing — are there any
objections, Jaroslav has a pull request.

Gj

Re: JBake guy in Manchester

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Yes, a pity! I should have let you know. By the way, check out the
Foojay Slack (https://join.slack.com/t/foojay/signup), maybe you could
speak at an upcoming Manchester JUG meeting.

Gj

On Sat, Oct 22, 2022 at 6:51 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Sat, 22 Oct 2022 at 15:57, Geertjan Wielenga  wrote:
> > I’ve just met the JBake guy Jon Bullock at the Manchester JUG.
> >
> > https://github.com/jonbullock
> >
> > Do we have questions or feature requests for him, especially Neil, Eric,
> > and Antonio?
>
> Nothing immediately comes to mind, but do say hello.  Spoke to him a
> few times about our use of JBake.  He was really helpful when we were
> first setting things up.  I haven't really looked at the site config
> or JBake much lately though.
>
> Had been planning to go to JManc until it got partly cancelled.  If
> I'd known you were going I might have still made it up, but been that
> way twice in the last month already.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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JBake guy in Manchester

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

I’ve just met the JBake guy Jon Bullock at the Manchester JUG.

https://github.com/jonbullock

Do we have questions or feature requests for him, especially Neil, Eric,
and Antonio?

Gj

Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Makes sense.

Gj

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 12:57, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 11:30, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> > Isn’t it useful/needed for apps created on top of the NetBeans Platform?
>
> Needed, no.  Useful?  Not sure, hence the questions.
>
> Not adding in main vote doesn't stop them being uploaded subsequently
> either, should a need arise later.
>
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>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Drop separate platform source and binary zip from release artefacts?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Isn’t it useful/needed for apps created on top of the NetBeans Platform?

Gj

On Thu, 20 Oct 2022 at 12:28, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Every release we include source and binary zip artefacts for the
> platform alone.  eg.
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/
>
> Even the source zip is treated as an artefact of the main release.
> It's not voted on separately, and I don't know how many other people
> bother to check them?
>
> They seem like an added complexity to the release process with minimal
> benefit (and a few issues). I'm not sure we link them in from
> anywhere?  I'm not sure if there's much of a need for them?
>
> So, does anyone have a good argument or use case for continuing to
> include these?  Otherwise, I plan not to include them as artefacts in
> the next (NB16) release vote.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
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Re: Java Help student project started

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Brilliant.

Gj

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 at 09:55, Oliver Rettig  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> since years we miss a modern (on- and offline) help-viewer for your
> netbeans
> platform applications. Now, we have just started a student project at the
> Cooperative State University Karlsruhe (Germany) to fill this gap. It will
> run
> the next six months.
>
> Of course we have our specific needs and wishes but it will be great, if
> we can
> implement something, which is interesting for many:-)
>
> My personal main point is, that I want to add documentation into netbeans-
> platform modules. If I collect some modules to a platform app I want to
> have a
> tool which collects the documentation parts from all the included modules
> automatically. I also want to integrate a help-viewer as on offline viewer
> into
> the rcp-app by invoking a browser but I also want to push to a online-
> available documentation maybe into a docuwiki page.
>
> So, if you are interested please give us feedback what functionality you
> like
> to see in a new Java-Help Viewer and if you know projects we have to look
> in,
> or give us other hints about java-help.
>
> Here is a list what I have found just now and looks interesting for us:
>
> https://git.rwth-aachen.de/netbeans/nb-help
> https://github.com/AleksandraMisic762/help-in-browser-dev
> https://git.rwth-aachen.de/j.hofschroeer/nb-help
> https://github.com/hubersn/SwingHelpViewer
>
> http://bits.netbeans.org/dev/javadoc/org-netbeans-modules-javahelp/org/netbeans/api/javahelp/doc-files/help-guide.html
> https://netbeans.apache.org/wiki/DevFaqHelpGuidelines.asciidoc
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/16262631/implementing-javahelp-search-with-the-netbeans-ide
> https://dzone.com/articles/nb-how-create-javahelp-mavenized
>
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/9994373/using-javahelp-for-end-user-documentation-on-netbeans-based-application-tools-o
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/7804838/embedding-avi-in-javahelp
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/jhelpdev/
> https://www.netbeans-forum.de/viewtopic.php?t=6095
>
> https://github.com/DmitriPopov/HelpinatorReadTheDocs/blob/master/javahelp.rst
>
>
> best regards
> Oliver
>
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Re: Netbeans swag - PMC validators needed!

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, yes, use this mailing list, that's great. Also note that
NetBeans is written with a capital N and a capital B.

Gj

On Mon, Oct 10, 2022 at 3:23 PM Pyro MX  wrote:
>
> Hello Netbeans developers!
>
> A few months ago, I voiced my interest in producing some swag designs
> for Apache Netbeans
> (https://lists.apache.org/thread/s6ywcjf5jpjf7xg6onmys4gfdf0d714j).
>
> First, the news: I worked with Mark Thomas from the ASF to setup a
> design sharing repository with the proper copyright notices so that it
> was clear that any design I would produce would be compliant with the
> ASF copyright rules regarding branding and logos.
>
> As for the design themselves, this is where I will need help from the
> Netbeans' PMC: any design that incorporates or alters in some way the
> Netbeans branding _must_ be approved by the PMC. In short, I can't just
> go ahead and publish designs without you folks approving them (which
> makes a lot if sense!).
>
> As such, if there are some PMC members here that would like to take part
> in the design process (with the perk of seeing the designs before anyone
> else!), I would greatly appreciate it - this way we can move this little
> project forward!
>
> It's super easy - if you're interested, reply to this thread - I'll then
> validate using https://projects.apache.org that you are part of the PMC
> to give you access to the designs repository and you can then take a
> look at it! It's still private for the moment while the designs are
> being approved.
>
> There are a only a couple of designs for the moments, we can work to get
> them approved (or rejected, it's your choice!) over say, a month or two,
> after which we can release them publicly and get the ball rolling to get
> the swag on the ASF storefront!
>
> What do you think? Sounds like a plan?
> --
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Re: [External] : Re: [DISCUSS] Future of cpplite projects

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Well, maybe on installing CND, the CCPLITE modules should get
uninstalled and vice-versa.

Gj

On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 9:38 PM antonio  wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> A quick update on the status of cnd and cpplite.
>
> 1. Both cnd and cpplite want to register different stuff for the
> text/x-c++, text/x-c, text/x-h, etc. mimetypes.
>
> 1.1. I tried to create "text/x-c++-cpplite", "text/x-c-cpplite" (etc)
> mimetypes by trying to see if a FileObject belongs to a CND project or a
> cpplite project. This would be the cleanest approach to keep cnd and
> cpplite happy, but I didn't get it.
>
> 1.2. I then dropped the cpplite editor so only cnd registers mimetypes.
> This worked well, but both cnd and cpplite register breakpoints in the
> editor in different ways, for the same mimetype [1], so cpplite
> breakpoints didn't work.
>
> 2. I then checked out cnd, merged latest master, dropped cpplite and cnd
> seems to build and work perfectly.
>
> El 16/5/22 a las 14:59, Martin Balin escribió:
> > I would really like to keep CPPLite inside NetBeans. It is used for GraalVM 
> > Native Image debugging to work with GDB and adapting this feature to work 
> > CND will be overkill also with respect to size of CND.
> > If needed then CPPLite project can be removed to mix with CND.
> > Martin
>
> So after all these tests I think making cpplite coexist with cnd is
> going to be impossible (any hints welcome, of course).
>
> cpplite also registers a LSP server for both text/x-c and another one
> for text/x-c++, so projects that mix both C and C++ will probably
> restart the LSP server when users change focus between C and C++ files.
> That may be a problem users are reporting in the nbusers mailing list.
>
> By the way, I'd like to know how to run a "GraalVM Native Image"
> debugging session. Since I have little spare time for NetBeans lately
> I'd appreciate instructions on how to do this.
>
> Kind regards,
> Antonio
>
>
> [1]
>
> Actions provider in CPPLITE:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/master/cpplite/cpplite.debugger/src/org/netbeans/modules/cpplite/debugger/breakpoints/CPPLiteBreakpointActionProvider.java#L43
>
> Actions provider in CND:
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/blob/cnd/cnd/cnd.debugger.common2/src/org/netbeans/modules/cnd/debugger/common2/debugger/actions/ToggleBreakpointActionProvider.java#L62
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Re: Plugin/Code donation

[Geertjan Wielenga]

The key question is if/who will maintain/further develop this code --
unless you feel it's completely stable, no issues expected, nor
further development needed?

If you're going to donate something and not maintain it and no one
will maintain it, and you expect there to be things that need to be
maintained, then it's better to not donate it.

Gj

On Mon, Sep 12, 2022 at 9:55 AM Christian Pervoelz  wrote:
>
> Thanks for your answers.
>
> @Donation
> I'm open to everything (except self-publishing and/or maintaining - no
> time).
>
> If devs think it's good enough to be integrated into the baseline - I would
> be happy, especially as I like all-in-one solutions in IDEs.
> If someone wants to take over and release it as separate plugin - I would
> be fine too.
>
> @Jackpot
> I'm not sure about it's capabilities, so someone who is much deeper into
> it, might decide, whether the hints could be re-written to Jackpot's
> language and syntax.
>
> -- C.
>
>
> Am Sa., 10. Sept. 2022 um 19:07 Uhr schrieb Eric Bresie :
>
> > Is the proposal to integrate into baseline netbeans code or for it to
> > remain a separate, independently developed plugin and you need someone to
> > take over development?
> >
> > If wanted to publish, see
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/How+to+get+plugin+on+Plugin+Portal+Update+Center
> >
> > Eric Bresie
> > ebre...@gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 2:33 AM Christian Pervoelz 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello everybody,
> > >
> > > while cleaning up my repos on GitHub I found a plugin I wrote a couple of
> > > years ago:
> > > https://github.com/ChristianPervoelz/netbeans-java-hints
> > > (See details below or in the repo itself)
> > >
> > > *Function:* Checking some aspects of code quality.
> > >
> > >- Cognitive Complexity
> > >- Statement nesting
> > >- too many return statements in a method
> > >- too many break/continue statements in a loop
> > >
> > > *State*:
> > >
> > >- At least in NB 12.6 it used to work pretty well
> > >- worked with Java 14 (and below)
> > >
> > > *License:* APL 2.0
> > >
> > > For some reasons, I don't have the time (and the desire) to create a
> > plugin
> > > available via the portal.
> > > But as I think, the features are too good to be just thrown away, I'd
> > like
> > > to donate the code.
> > >
> > > How could I do that? Which steps are required from my side? Is it
> > possible
> > > at all?
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > > -- C.
> > >
> >

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[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 15 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans 15 was
released on August 31, 2022 (though there's been a delay in announcing the
release).

What's in the Apache NetBeans 15 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/15

With thanks to 33 contributors, including the following, who have
contributed for the first time.

   - @MegJayan  made their first contribution
   in #3884 
   - @Atrament666  made their first
   contribution in #4026 
   - @notzed  made their first contribution in
   #4180 
   - @nbauma109  made their first
   contribution in #4273 
   - @zephyrgr  made their first contribution
   in #4348 
   - @duoduobingbing  made their first
   contribution in #4396 

Thank you!

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb15/

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Geertjan
on behalf of Apache NetBeans PMC

Re: Copy Paste still an issue

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Out of interest, what shows with CTRL_SHIFT-D (paste from history)?

Gj

On Fri, 2 Sep 2022 at 19:44, Kenneth Fogel 
wrote:

> The problem with copy and paste occurs when I have NetBeans, Microsoft
> Word, and Notepad++ all open. On a fresh reboot of a Windows system you may
> be successful copying either to or from NetBeans. However, this has never
> worked more than twice before it stops. It will not work in both directions
> although it works fine inside NetBeans. At one time I could copy from
> NetBeans to NotePad++ and copy from Notepad++ to Word but the ability to
> copy to Notepad++ is now hit or miss, mostly miss. My trick of doing a Cut
> in NB and then paste into anything else is also intermittent.
>
>
> To reproduce try this:
>
> Open NB and a project in NB. Open NotePad++ or Word.
> Copy just one line of a file from NB to NotePad++ or Word. It should work.
> Try a few other lines but just a single line at a time.
> Now select and copy 20 or so lines from the NB file. You will not be able
> to paste it. Go back and just copy a single line that had worked, and it
> will no longer work.
> Try Cut, Paste, and then restore the Cut. This may or may not work.
>
> The system I use is an i9 w/ 32 Gig and Windows 11. NetBeans is running
> under Java 17 but this was a problem with earlier versions of Java as well.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ernie Rael 
> Sent: August 31, 2022 9:13 PM
> To: dev@netbeans.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Copy Paste still an issue
>
> On 8/31/22 9:15 AM, Scott Palmer wrote:
> > It’s an intermittent issue on Windows that has been around for a long
> time.
> >
> > Edit the netbeans.conf file in netbeans/etc/ to add:
> >   -J-Dorg.netbeans.NbClipboard.level=FINEST
> >
> > I keep forgetting after installing new versions :-(
>
> FYI, jLogman in the plugin portal, can be installed and does not require a
> NB restart. Then
>
>  1. Tools>ManageLogging brings up a tree table of the loggers,  2.
> navigate to org.netbeans.NbClipboard  3. Click in the level column  4.
> select FINE in the combo box  5. optional: right click anywhere
> navigate/check Configurations > ApplyConfigurationAtStartup
> so the logging is enabled after a NB restart
>
> Of course this only gives information after the fact, so who knows if it
> would be useful.
>
> Starting logging in netbeans.conf doesn't have a brief gap at startup.
>
> -ernie
>
> >
> > That may provide needed details in the logs.
> >
> > Hopefully we can get this sorted… It’s been a thorn in my side for years.
> >
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >> On Aug 31, 2022, at 11:13 AM, Neil C Smith 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On Wed, 31 Aug 2022 at 15:51, Kenneth Fogel <
> kfo...@dawsoncollege.qc.ca> wrote:
> >>> That I am not the only one who comes across this issue leads me to
> believe it is not a 'just on my machine' problem.
> >> It is definitely not just on your machine, but it is also not on
> >> every machine.  The bug linked previously has a bunch of questions
> >> and a link to a previous thread on here with flags and things to test.
> >>
> >> Out of interest, what shows with CTRL_SHIFT-D (paste from history)?
> >>
> >> Until someone working on the IDE can reproduce the circumstances of
> >> this issue, I don't see it getting fixed.
> >>
> >> Best wishes,
> >>
> >> Neil
> >>
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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 15

[Geertjan Wielenga]

+1 (binding)

Downloaded voting artefact and successfully built and ran with the
following.

java -version

openjdk version "11.0.13" 2021-10-19 LTS

OpenJDK Runtime Environment Zulu11.52+13-CA (build 11.0.13+8-LTS)

OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM Zulu11.52+13-CA (build 11.0.13+8-LTS, mixed mode)

Thanks,

Gj

On Sun, Aug 28, 2022 at 3:45 AM Kai Uwe Pel  wrote:

> +1  (non binding)
>
> Build with OpenJDK 17.0.2
> Red Hat 8.6   &   Windows 10  21H2
> No issues!
>
> Regards,
> Kai
>
>
> On 8/27/2022 3:52 PM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > This is our first voting candidate for the release of Apache NetBeans 15.
> >
> > Please note all requirements below for validating sources and
> > convenience binaries before voting.
> >
> > Apache NetBeans 15 constitutes all clusters in the Apache NetBeans Git
> > repository, which together provide the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the
> > underlying application framework), as well as all the modules that
> > provide the Java SE, Java EE, PHP, JavaScript and Groovy features of
> > Apache NetBeans.
> >
> > 
> >
> > Build artefacts are available here :
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/15/
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/
> >
> > They were built by the Jenkins pipeline :
> >
> >
> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release150/16/
> >
> > 
> >
> > We are primarily voting on :
> >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/15/netbeans-15-source.zip
> >
> > SHA512 :
> 47361b9931e4ad25e75b9a47469aa76e294dfee3ae3c8ebb9c7fd2756d383fb65d8d805a5cfccb4128af37515c68b6d167dfd572e5ed905c86e1275fc0ba50eb
> >
> > KEYS file : https://downloads.apache.org/netbeans/KEYS
> >
> > 
> >
> > Associated with the primary source item we have, generated with the
> > pipeline mentioned above :
> >
> > -- at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/15/
> >
> > Binaries associated with the source - netbeans-15-bin.zip as well as
> > update content under the nbms folder.
> >
> > -- at
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-platform/15/
> >
> > The platform cluster build netbeans-platform-15-bin.zip and
> > netbeans-platform-15-source.zip
> >
> > 
> >
> > Maven Artefacts
> >
> > The Maven artefacts for Apache NetBeans 15 will be included in a
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> >
> > 
> >
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> >
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> >
> > In particular, you should (at least) follow these steps.
> >
> > 1. Download the artefact to be voted on and unzip it.
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> >
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> > Apache NetBeans 15 will be released if and when this vote passes.
> >
> > Thank you to all contributors for all your hard work!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
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Fwd: A license check tool offered by Apache SkyWalking Community

[Geertjan Wielenga]

FYI, maybe useful for us too.

Gj

-- Forwarded message -
From: Sheng Wu 
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2022 at 09:00
Subject: A license check tool offered by Apache SkyWalking Community
To: Incubator 
Cc: dev 


Hi podlings

Apache SkyWalking graduated from the incubator years ago, but we still
remember we were struggling to keep licenses of dependencies well
organized and listed correctly.
So, SkyWalking PMC/Committer worked with the community starting to
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Re: [RELEASES] Slight delay on 15-rc3?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great! Yes, will do.

Gj

On Sat, 6 Aug 2022 at 14:09, Neil C Smith  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> OK, done and announced.
>
> Given slight delay and providing time for testing, I've said earliest
> for vote would be Aug 17th assuming no issues.  There's a possibility
> I won't be able to start the vote that week, so someone else would
> have to, but also with Martin on vacation, we might want to push the
> vote to the following week anyway.  What about Eric / John on other
> binaries?  Any dates to avoid for either of you?
>
> Geertjan, what do you think about replacing your pinned message at
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/discussions with something about
> testing release candidates?  Would need to link to the email on dev@
> rather than direct, and caveat that it's not an approved release -
> https://lists.apache.org/thread/vzx1jm5gz2w1rtof4swlvrclng0xsq8q
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
> On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 at 10:47, Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
> >
> > Excellent.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 11:26 AM Neil C Smith 
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 11:27, Neil C Smith 
> wrote:
> > > > There are currently (at least) two high priority issues for NetBeans
> > > > 15.  I suggest we hold back rc3 until we can get these fixes in?
> > > >
> > > > Breakpoint issue already has a PR which is still awaiting review.  Be
> > > > good if we can prioritize reviews on delivery.
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4442
> > > >
> > > > I've just verified and opened an issue on updating (or otherwise
> > > > fixing) junixsocket, otherwise we'll not be able to notarize a macOS
> > > > installer
> > > >
> > > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4460
> > > >
> > > > Any other issue that should be addressed as high / critical priority?
> > >
> > > Both mentioned issues have fixes in delivery now, and as nothing else
> > > has been flagged up, I'm going to sync and trigger rc3 when tests are
> > > green.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
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Re: [RELEASES] Slight delay on 15-rc3?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Excellent.

Gj

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 11:26 AM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> On Tue, 2 Aug 2022 at 11:27, Neil C Smith  wrote:
> > There are currently (at least) two high priority issues for NetBeans
> > 15.  I suggest we hold back rc3 until we can get these fixes in?
> >
> > Breakpoint issue already has a PR which is still awaiting review.  Be
> > good if we can prioritize reviews on delivery.
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4442
> >
> > I've just verified and opened an issue on updating (or otherwise
> > fixing) junixsocket, otherwise we'll not be able to notarize a macOS
> > installer
> >
> > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4460
> >
> > Any other issue that should be addressed as high / critical priority?
>
> Both mentioned issues have fixes in delivery now, and as nothing else
> has been flagged up, I'm going to sync and trigger rc3 when tests are
> green.
>
> Best wishes,
>
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Re: Netbeans 8.2

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Quite some more context is needed here.

And, for the free open source Apache NetBeans project, people like you are
needed to join in and collaborate with us, in at least testing, but better
than that, contributing code and fixes, will you and others working with
you on that project be able to spend some time on that?

Gj

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 4:50 PM Marcelo Aleks 
wrote:

> Hello
>
>   I need, for a legacy netbeans platform project, to use the old and good
> Nb8.2, but the link to download it is not working. Do you know if I
> can find  Nb8.2 on any mirror site?
>
>   Best regards, Marcelo Aleks
>

Re: [RELEASES] Slight delay on 15-rc3?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, yes, let's get these in.

Gj

On Tue, Aug 2, 2022 at 12:27 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> Hi Eric, Geertjan, Martin, all,
>
> There are currently (at least) two high priority issues for NetBeans
> 15.  I suggest we hold back rc3 until we can get these fixes in?
>
> Breakpoint issue already has a PR which is still awaiting review.  Be
> good if we can prioritize reviews on delivery.
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4442
>
> I've just verified and opened an issue on updating (or otherwise
> fixing) junixsocket, otherwise we'll not be able to notarize a macOS
> installer
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4460
>
> Any other issue that should be addressed as high / critical priority?
>
> Martin, not heard anything from you during release yet - are there any
> concerns particularly from VSCode side / testing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Neil
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Re: NetBeans 15 performance improvements

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Really excellent!

Gj

On Sun, 31 Jul 2022 at 04:16, Josh Juneau  wrote:

> Great work to everyone who contributed!  Looking forward to the
> performance improvements.
>
> Josh Juneau
> juneau...@gmail.com
> http://jj-blogger.blogspot.com
> https://www.apress.com/us/search?query=Juneau
>
> > On Jul 30, 2022, at 12:46 PM, Michael Bien  wrote:
> >
> > Hello devs,
> >
> > NetBeans 15 is coming with some performance improvements, it should be
> easy to see by comparing a NB 15 release candidate with NB 14 side by side
> (if you know where to look).
> >
> >
> > maven related:
> >
> >  - the index folder should be smaller (by almost 1 GB last time I
> checked) #3558
> >
> >  - indexing of local repos should be about 20% faster (although the main
> bottleneck is the extraction/indexing of the (remote) central index which
> is still slow and makes the improvement not very noticeable) #4095
> >
> >  - completion in maven poms for artifacts, group ids and versions should
> all be faster (sometimes significantly faster). There is one exception, the
> first query for group ids (specifically) might be a little slower, but
> subsequent queries should be at least as fast again. #3558 #4136
> >
> >  - this applies to all kinds of index queries, but completion will be
> probably most noticeable
> >
> > java editor:
> >
> >  - Michael Zucchi contributed an optimization which improves the
> performance of a core utility class. This improves completion performance
> significantly on classes with a lot of fields (as sometimes seen in
> OpenGL/Vulkan and other library bindings). Since this is part of utilities
> used by other features, it might also improve performance elsewhere too.
> #4142
> >
> >  - Michael (not me) also improved the output window performance of ant
> projects #4180
> >
> > javascript:
> >
> >  - Matthias tagged two javascrpt PRs with performance #4324, #4313, but
> I wasn't really involved there so I don't know the details or where to look
> to notice a difference.
> >
> > php tests (honorable mention):
> >
> >  - php editor tests run more than twice as fast now (~2h -> ~40min) and
> are no longer the slowest CI job #4284
> >
> >
> > list of integrated performance PRs:
> >
> >
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues?q=label%3Aperformance+is%3Aclosed+milestone%3ANB15
> >
> >
> > (also keep in mind that NetBeans 14 and 15 can both already run on JDK
> 18, so you can get a little bit of free performance out of this just by
> keeping your JDK up2date)
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > michael
> >
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Re: NB14 'call hierarchy' 'search from base class' does not work

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Maybe somewhere here, if I knew more, I'd advise, probably Jan Lahoda can
help:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/tree/master/java/java.editor

Gj

On Tue, Jul 5, 2022 at 10:19 AM Simon IJskes - QCG  wrote:

> Can anyone provide me with some pointers to where i can find the
> subsystem responsible for determining, storing and quering the class
> hierarchy? Module name, package name etc.
>
> So i can have a look if it is something obvious, like project size or what?
>
> Gr. Simon
>
> On 04-07-2022 14:27, Simon IJskes - QCG wrote:
> > Now running on:
> >
> > Product Version: Apache NetBeans IDE 14
> > Java: 17.0.3; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.3+7-Ubuntu-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
> > Runtime: OpenJDK Runtime Environment 17.0.3+7-Ubuntu-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
> > System: Linux version 5.4.0-110-generic running on amd64; UTF-8; en_US
> (nb)
> >
> >
> > It still doesnt work.
> >
> > Gr. Simon
> >
> > On 15-06-2022 11:09, Simon IJskes - QCG wrote:
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> My NB 13 is running on JDK 16. And compiling with JDK 16. I try to
> >> upgrade the tools here to NB 14 soon.
> >>
> >> Gr. Simon
> >>
> >> On 15-06-2022 09:42, Alexander Kronenwett wrote:
> >>> Hello Simon,
> >>>
> >>> I had this issue once as well when I ran NB 13 on JDK 8 instead of 11.
> >>> Maybe that ist your issue, too.
> >>>
> >>> Best
> >>> Alex
> >>>
> >>> Simon IJskes - QCG  schrieb am Mi., 15. Juni 2022,
> 09:22:
> >>>
> 
>  It seems 'call hierarchy' 'search from base class' option does not
>  function anymore, when clicking 'call hierarchy' on a method of a
>  implementation of an interface.
> 
>  After googling/ducking could not find an open bugreport.
> 
>  Is it a pebcak (mine) or bug?
> 
>  Gr. Simon
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Re: NetBeans 14 does not generate correct Mac applications. I need help deploying NetBeans platform mac applications

[Geertjan Wielenga]

You brag about being a user of NetBeans for many years, you're creating
NetBeans Platform applications, yet provide no contributions to the
NetBeans code repository. (As far as I can find.)

Gj

On Thu, Jun 30, 2022 at 9:11 PM Todd Stevenson 
wrote:

> I’ve been a user of NetBeans for many years and am now having problems
> building and deploying Mac versions of my NetBeans application.
>
>
>
> NetBeans 14 provides an option on the main dropdown ‘Package as…’ which
> has two options for Mac users.  One creates an .app folder
> containing the application and the other is -macosx.tgz.   As
> I recall, the .tgz file previously would install by drag and drop on the
> mac platform.   Now that fails.  It seems to be centered on the
> .conf file because it contains Windows endings (cr lf)  in the
> file.
>
>
>
> NetBeans brags that it is a multi-platform development framework yet
> provides no documentation on handling multiple platforms. (As far as I can
> find)
>
>
>
> My question is this:  Is there any documentation for dealing with mac
> deployment of  NetBeans platform applications?
>
>
>
> Any other recommendations?
>
>
>
> Thank you.
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Re: [RELEASES] Getting ready for NetBeans 15 branching

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Awesome and agree with all points plus would like to be involved again,
maybe a weekly Zoom call with anyone wanting to be involved to see where we
are and how we can work together and of course anything we discuss will be
put back into this mailing list.

Gj

On Wed, Jun 29, 2022 at 6:17 PM Neil C Smith  wrote:

> Hi Eric, Martin, Geertjan .. and everyone else,
>
> Just thought I'd kick off a thread as it's getting near branching time
> again.  Seems to come around quicker every time!  I also realised I
> don't think we had the usual postmortem thread on NB14 either.  Any
> points, changes, etc. to address for 15?
>
> Few from me would be -
>
> There were a couple of PRs in NB14 that to me didn't really meet the
> criteria for merging to delivery, one which potentially held the
> release up.  It's not a release team job to decide what gets merged -
> that's for all reviewers.  And primarily, in my mind, the PR author
> should be making the initial call.  I'd like to suggest that all
> descriptions on PRs for delivery, at least when not linked to an
> issue, should include a short justification for inclusion.  Thoughts?
>
> On PRs, Martin, can you handle reviewing and merging delivery PRs (or
> parts) that are VSCode related?  Obviously need to schedule around
> syncing and RC builds.  Whenever I merge to delivery, I try to test
> the fix, check for potential conflicts, think about highlighting in RC
> emails, etc.  But for me that's with the IDE in mind rather than the
> VSCode plugin.
>
> As discussed elsewhere, I've added a GitHub label for Highlight, to
> try and start flagging PRs that are changes to highlight in release
> notes, announcements, etc.  Possibly need to apply some
> retrospectively for 15.
>
>
> I should be OK for all of this release cycle - sorry I had to duck out
> for much of the last one.  I'm happy to handle the initial branch and
> configuration around July 15th, unless anyone else wants to?  Anyone
> else got commitments, holidays, etc. to consider this time around?
> Summer release always a fun one.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
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Re: Suggestion: Rename the VS Code Language Server Extension

[Geertjan Wielenga]

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/pull/4295

Gj

On Sat, Jun 18, 2022 at 11:13 PM Bruno Borges 
wrote:

> Sure, but unless this extension will be useful for any language, I'd still
> add "Java" somehow in the name.
>
> Still, don't forget how extensions are displayed in VS Code / VS Codium
>
> On Sat., Jun. 18, 2022, 4:11 p.m. John Yeary,  wrote:
>
> > Apache NetBeans Language Server
> >
> > Make Apache and NetBeans more prominent.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Jun 18, 2022, at 08:58, Alexius DIAKOGIANNIS <
> > alexius.diakogian...@outlook.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Personally I agree with this
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On 18 Jun 2022, at 01:12, Bruno Borges 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hey all,
> > >>
> > >> Currently your extension is published in the VS Code Marketplace under
> > the name "Language Server".
> > >>
> > >> I'd suggest you rename it to "Java Language Server by Apache
> NetBeans".
> > >>
> > >> This will increase discoverability of your extension in the
> > marketplace, especially when people search for the keyword "java".
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[ANNOUNCE] Apache NetBeans 14 released

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

The Apache NetBeans team is pleased to announce that Apache NetBeans
13 was released on June 9, 2022 (though there's been a delay in
announcing the release).

What's in the Apache NetBeans 14 release:

https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/14

Note it's the first time we're doing a generated changelog like the
above, next time it will be even better, we'll work on generating
different sections and highlights, to make it easier to read through.

Downloads:

https://netbeans.apache.org/download/nb14/nb14.html

See our release schedule:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Release+Schedule

Feel free to share the good news!

Thanks everyone, and best wishes,

Neil, Eric, Geertjan
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Re: releases changelog in github

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, will send out the announcement today.

Gj

On Fri, 17 Jun 2022 at 16:11, Eric Barboni  wrote:

> I would say this one is clear:
>
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/releases/tag/14
>
> Eric
> -Message d'origine-----
> De : Geertjan Wielenga <>
> Envoyé : vendredi 17 juin 2022 15:38
> À : dev 
> Cc : Neil C Smith 
> Objet : Re: releases changelog in github
>
> In the announcement of the Apache NetBeans 14 release, can we refer to
> this release changelog in GitHub, what is the best link for that purpose?
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:00 PM Geertjan Wielenga <
> geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is brilliant progress, automated release notes, plus the idea of
> > tagging issues as features or highlights, etc, for automation into
> > sections in the generated release notes.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 6:39 PM Michael Bien  wrote:
> > >
> > > another thing so that I don't forget:
> > >
> > > gh releases always attach the sources as zip, we should probably
> > > mention on the bottom of the template that those are not the sources
> > > released by apache (hashes won't match etc). Maybe even add a
> > > download link, since why not.
> > >
> > > -mbien
> > >
> > > On 16.06.22 18:19, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 16:25, Eric Barboni 
> wrote:
> > > >> Changelogs of release can be edited it's like the github markup.
> > > >> With the release drafter we may have them in a more iterative way.
> > > > I presume we might be able to add sections based on pull request
> labels?
> > > >
> > > > I was thinking that we often have a problem at release time
> > > > knowing which new features to prioritize on website, etc.  Perhaps
> > > > we could add a "Highlight" or "Key feature" label for pull
> > > > requests that can be added at review / merging stage, rather than
> > > > trying to work this out retrospectively?  Could be top section in
> releases changelog too?
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought.
> > > >
> > > > Best wishes,
> > > >
> > > > Neil
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Re: releases changelog in github

[Geertjan Wielenga]

In the announcement of the Apache NetBeans 14 release, can we refer to
this release changelog in GitHub, what is the best link for that
purpose?

Gj

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 7:00 PM Geertjan Wielenga
 wrote:
>
> This is brilliant progress, automated release notes, plus the idea of
> tagging issues as features or highlights, etc, for automation into
> sections in the generated release notes.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 6:39 PM Michael Bien  wrote:
> >
> > another thing so that I don't forget:
> >
> > gh releases always attach the sources as zip, we should probably mention
> > on the bottom of the template that those are not the sources released by
> > apache (hashes won't match etc). Maybe even add a download link, since
> > why not.
> >
> > -mbien
> >
> > On 16.06.22 18:19, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > > On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 16:25, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> > >> Changelogs of release can be edited it's like the github markup.
> > >> With the release drafter we may have them in a more iterative way.
> > > I presume we might be able to add sections based on pull request labels?
> > >
> > > I was thinking that we often have a problem at release time knowing
> > > which new features to prioritize on website, etc.  Perhaps we could
> > > add a "Highlight" or "Key feature" label for pull requests that can be
> > > added at review / merging stage, rather than trying to work this out
> > > retrospectively?  Could be top section in releases changelog too?
> > >
> > > Just a thought.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Neil
> > >
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Re: releases changelog in github

[Geertjan Wielenga]

This is brilliant progress, automated release notes, plus the idea of
tagging issues as features or highlights, etc, for automation into
sections in the generated release notes.

Gj

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 6:39 PM Michael Bien  wrote:
>
> another thing so that I don't forget:
>
> gh releases always attach the sources as zip, we should probably mention
> on the bottom of the template that those are not the sources released by
> apache (hashes won't match etc). Maybe even add a download link, since
> why not.
>
> -mbien
>
> On 16.06.22 18:19, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 16:25, Eric Barboni  wrote:
> >> Changelogs of release can be edited it's like the github markup.
> >> With the release drafter we may have them in a more iterative way.
> > I presume we might be able to add sections based on pull request labels?
> >
> > I was thinking that we often have a problem at release time knowing
> > which new features to prioritize on website, etc.  Perhaps we could
> > add a "Highlight" or "Key feature" label for pull requests that can be
> > added at review / merging stage, rather than trying to work this out
> > retrospectively?  Could be top section in releases changelog too?
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
> > -
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Re: NB 14 tags and home page update

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Maybe you need to refresh the home page.

Yes, we’re updating things now and announcements will be going out as well.

Gj

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 at 18:30, Rangi Keen  wrote:

> It looks like the NetBeans 14 release is now available to download,
> but the home
> page  is still advertising 13 and there are
> no tags on github  for the
> release. The NB 13 tags were missing last release (fixed with #3779
> ), so perhaps the process
> needs to be updated to ensure that step isn't missed in future. Apologies
> if these steps are planned but not yet done for NB 14.
>
> Thanks,
> Rangi
>

Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Yes, I’m surprised too. And obviously NetBeans is not supposed to run only
on GraalVM, you know the answer to that question, and that this is a bug.

Gj

On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:53, Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Hello Geertjan,
>
> Well yes and no. I am surprised that NB seems to, somehow, rely on Truffle
> classes during startup. As I am not a JVM expert, I was not knowing what
> Truffle is. By the way, is NB now supposed to only run on GraalVM? Same
> question for NB platform based applications, which is actually my concern.
>
> JM
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2022 at 10:45 AM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
>
> > You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not
> appear
> > when you use GraalVM?
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
> > > https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different
> JVMs.
> > >
> > > I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for
> > example
> > > related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say that I
> > am
> > > a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and
> this
> > > disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX
> > components.
> > >
> > > Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > JMB
> > >
> >
>

Re: Netbeans 13.0 only supposed to properly runs on GraalVM 17?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

You’re surprised that messages about missing Truffle classes do not appear
when you use GraalVM?

Gj

On Sun, 12 Jun 2022 at 10:42, Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Since I had several issues with NB 13 (see
> https://github.com/apache/netbeans/issues/4050), I tried different JVMs.
>
> I notice that the only one not generating warnings in the log (for example
> related to missing Truffle classes) is GraalVM 17. I have to say that I am
> a bit surprise in this regard since it is not specified anywhere and this
> disables the possibility to design or use UI previews with JFX components.
>
> Is Netbeans not supposed to run on any flavor (JVM) 11+?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JMB
>

List of fixes for Apache NetBeans 14

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

With the next release almost ready, do we have a quick link to the list of
fixes that have made it in?

I’m in favor of not creating release notes, unless someone volunteers, but
to just highlight some of the most useful fixes and then point to the
entire list.

Thanks,

Gj

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 14 Windows installer

[Geertjan Wielenga]

+1 (binding)

Gj

On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 at 17:19, Tomáš Procházka  wrote:

> +1
>
> - checksum and signature OK
> - installation OK
> - opened PHP project, basic editing works
>
> Used Windows 10 and JDK 11
>
> Thank you.
>
> Tomáš Procházka
>
> On 03. 06. 22 20:44, Eric Barboni wrote:
> > Vote for Apache NetBeans 14 Windows installer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Primary voting artefact :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/14/Apach
> > e-NetBeans-14-bin-windows-x64.exe
> >
> >
> >
> > SHA512 checksum :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/14/Apach
> > e-NetBeans-14-bin-windows-x64.exe.sha512
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 2c1bcc3bb24e3027a4ae9627a0c3a7b1ac4b8239d74a402630db2d3cc6314f62bd37b0d9c699
> > 83c2ec5b5cbcfe90d447ea7ec8da8055ac7f5e9b1d788ccfc5bd
> >
> >
> >
> > KEYS file :
> >
> >
> >
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/KEYS
> >
> >
> >
> > PGP signature file :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/14/Apach
> > e-NetBeans-14-bin-windows-x64.exe.asc
> >
> >
> >
> > Built by Jenkins job :
> >
> >
> >
> >
> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/
> > release140/27/
> >
> >
> >
> > This vote is going to be open at least 72 hours, vote with +1, 0, and
> >
> > -1 as usual. Please mark your vote with (binding) if you're an Apache
> > NetBeans PMC member.
> >
> >
> >
> > This vote is dependent on the main Apache NetBeans 14 release vote
> passing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Best Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
>
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Re: next release

[Geertjan Wielenga]

At this point, it’s clear the releases are good and so added my binding +1
where needed to round off the voting.

Gj

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 07:04, John Mc  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think the macOS(me & Josh) and Windows installer(me & Eric) votes need
> another PMC +1 vote to allow them to pass - Can someone take a look please
> and vote?
>
> The VS Code needs another PMC+1 as well(Eric & I assume Martin will +1 his
> own vote ;) ) - Same request, can someone take a look please and vote?
>
> The main vote & Linux vote threads look fine, so we're very close to being
> able to complete all votes at the same time...
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
>
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 at 00:23, Ty Young  wrote:
>
> > Apparently the only reason it is "fixed" is because nb-javac is
> > installed but now I'm getting random classfile version mismatch
> > errors(62.* vs 63.*). How do I disable Netbean's background compiling?
> >
> >
> > On 6/1/22 2:29 PM, Ty Young wrote:
> > >
> > > On 5/30/22 8:55 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > >> On Mon, 30 May 2022 at 14:46, Ty Young  wrote:
> > >>> Is the JDK 19 compatibility issues fixed in 14?
> > >> GitHub issue links?
> > >>
> > >> One thing that fixes an issue on JDK 19 has just gone in.  But
> > >> NetBeans isn't expected to fully support JDK 19 until version 16.
> > >
> > >
> > > The issue is fixed it looks like. Thanks to whoever fixed it.
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >> Best wishes,
> > >>
> > >> Neil
> > >>
> > >> -
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> > >> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@netbeans.apache.org
> > >>
> > >> For further information about the NetBeans mailing lists, visit:
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 14 macOS Installer

[Geertjan Wielenga]

+1 (binding)

Gj

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 06:52, John Mc  wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> Just need 1 more PMC +1 vote
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> On Mon, 6 Jun 2022 at 23:37, Javier Ortiz Bultron <
> javier.ortiz...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > +1
> > Seems to work fine on
> >
> > Mac 12.4
> >
> > Java 17.0.1; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.1+12
> >
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 5, 2022 at 9:39 AM Josh Juneau  wrote:
> >
> > > +1 (binding)
> > >
> > > No problems installing or running the application after installation.
> > >
> > > *Java:* 11.0.14.1; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 11.0.14.1+1-LTS
> > >
> > > *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 11.0.14.1+1-LTS
> > >
> > > *System:* Mac OS X version 12.3.1 running on x86_64; UTF-8; en_US (nb)
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the hard work!
> > >
> > >
> > > Josh Juneau
> > > juneau...@gmail.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Jun 4, 2022 at 9:38 PM David Green 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > >  More info:
> > > >
> > > > *Java:* 17.0.3; OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM 17.0.3+7-LTS
> > > >
> > > > *Runtime:* OpenJDK Runtime Environment 17.0.3+7-LTS
> > > >
> > > > On Jun 4, 2022 at 10:58:17 AM, David Green 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > +1
> > > > >
> > > > > MacBook Pro 2021 M1 Pro, Monterey 12.4
> > > > >
> > > > > Checksum check says "OK":
> > > > >
> > > > > shasum -a 512 -c Apache-NetBeans-14-bin-macosx.dmg.sha512
> > > > >
> > > > > Install works without issue and properly dismounts mounted .DMG and
> > > puts
> > > > > it in trash (when that option is chosen)
> > > > >
> > > > > Created a simple maven app.  Still has weird headers
> > > > >
> > > > > /*
> > > > >  * Click
> > > > nbfs://nbhost/SystemFileSystem/Templates/Licenses/license-default.txt
> > to
> > > > change this license
> > > > >  * Click
> > > >
> > >
> >
> nbfs://nbhost/SystemFileSystem/Templates/Project/Maven2/JavaApp/src/main/java/${packagePath}/${mainClassName}.java
> > > > to edit this template
> > > > >  */
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Note that packagePath and mainClassName variables are **not**
> > > substituted
> > > > > for.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is an Intel app so it requires Rosetta on Mac.  Is there a
> > timetable
> > > > > for addressing this in a later release?
> > > > >
> > > > > Installed a couple plug-ins (external formatter, gitignore) without
> > > > issues
> > > > >
> > > > > Cut & Paste from another macOS app into NetBeans source editor
> works.
> > > > >
> > > > > Cut & Paste into terminal window require CTRL+Shift+X and
> > CTRL+Shift+V
> > > > (as
> > > > > shown on right-click).  **Should it be CMD instead of CTRL?**
> > > > >
> > > > > An existing JavaFX program builds runs from the GUI.
> > > > >
> > > > > Close NetBeans, Remove the 14 userdir then restart choosing to
> > migrate
> > > 13
> > > > > settings.  No issues found.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for all the efforts!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > On Jun 4, 2022 at 12:51:37 AM, John Mc 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Vote for Apache NetBeans 14 macOS installer.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Primary voting artefact :
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/14/Apache-NetBeans-14-bin-macosx.dmg
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> SHA512 checksum :
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/14/Apache-NetBeans-14-bin-macosx.dmg.sha512
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> b3cf4fbe65d29a8aea05d2e6d3fcec0f4417b4a425e7b012116fa181d9f8f888018cb29b7c0ca27bf68514cecc861796102c6e9e619317187fd983ae8a4a3e5a
> > > > >> Apache-NetBeans-14-bin-macosx.dmg
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> KEYS file :
> > > > >> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/release/netbeans/KEYS
> > > > >>
> > > > >> PGP signature file :
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-installers/14/Apache-NetBeans-14-bin-macosx.dmg.asc
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Built locally using the artefacts found in the Jenkins job:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/release140/27/
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This vote is going to be open at least 72 hours, vote with +1, 0,
> > and
> > > > >> -1 as usual. Please mark your vote with (binding) if you're an
> > Apache
> > > > >> NetBeans PMC member.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> This vote is dependent on the main Apache NetBeans 14 release vote
> > > > >> passing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards
> > > > >>
> > > > >> John
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache NetBeans 14

[Geertjan Wielenga]

+1 (binding)

Gj

On Wed, 8 Jun 2022 at 06:51, John Mc  wrote:

> +1 (binding)
>
> Regards
>
> John
>
> On Tue, 7 Jun 2022 at 16:04, Tomáš Procházka  wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> > - verified sha512 and asc signatures for sources and convenience binary
> > - verified LICENSE and NOTICE
> > - sources don't contain any .jar files
> > - built on Ubuntu 22.04 with JDK 11.0.15
> >
> > Tested both built NetBeans and convenience binaries
> > - opened PHP project - navigation, CC, code analysis works
> > - opened NetBeans sources - navigation and CC works
> >
> > I used NetBeans built from delivery branch last week for full-time PHP
> > development without any issues.
> >
> > Thank you all.
> >
> > Tomáš Procházka
> >
> > On 01. 06. 22 19:46, Eric Barboni wrote:
> > > This is our first voting candidate for the release of Apache NetBeans
> 14.
> > >
> > > Please note all requirements below for validating sources and
> > > convenience binaries before voting.
> > >
> > > Apache NetBeans 14 constitutes all clusters in the Apache NetBeans Git
> > > repository, which together provide the NetBeans Platform (i.e., the
> > > underlying application framework), as well as all the modules that
> > > provide the Java SE, Java EE, PHP, JavaScript and Groovy features of
> > > Apache NetBeans.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Build artefacts are available here :
> > >
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/14/
> > > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-platform/14/
> > >
> > > They were built by the Jenkins pipeline :
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://ci-builds.apache.org/job/Netbeans/job/netbeans-TLP/job/netbeans/job/
> > > release140/27/
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > We are primarily voting on :
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/14/netbeans-14-sour
> > > ce.zip
> > >
> > > SHA512 :
> > >
> >
> 1e7185c469e6ddd9c5aaf3ef4860f57b3cbb43f3b9213966e19362f702f03ded0e88906b1750
> > > 8c5f9cb6b9c015e6be6123ba1ef6b1fb3b402cf446a0ebbedeea
> > >
> > > KEYS file : https://downloads.apache.org/netbeans/KEYS
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Associated with the primary source item we have, generated with the
> > > pipeline mentioned above :
> > >
> > > -- at https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans/14/
> > >
> > > Binaries associated with the source - netbeans-14-bin.zip as well as
> > > update content under the nbms folder.
> > >
> > > -- at
> > https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/netbeans/netbeans-platform/14/
> > >
> > > The platform cluster build netbeans-platform-14-bin.zip and
> > > netbeans-platform-13-source.zip
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Maven Artefacts
> > >
> > > The Maven artefacts for Apache NetBeans 14 are ready on staging
> > > associated to this vote.
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/orgapachenetbeans-1114/
> > >
> > > The version is : RELEASE140
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Voting Requirements
> > >
> > > Before voting +1 you are required to download the signed source code
> > > package, compile it as provided, and test the resulting executable on
> > > your own platform, along with also verifying that the package meets
> > > the requirements of the ASF policy on releases -
> > > http://www.apache.org/legal/release-policy.html#management
> > >
> > > In particular, you should (at least) follow these steps.
> > >
> > > 1. Download the artefact to be voted on and unzip it.
> > > 2. Check that the artefact does not contain any jar files (there are
> > > branding folders with the name *.jar).
> > > 3. Verify the cryptographic signatures, the NOTICE and LICENSE file
> > > 4. Build it using the README provided by the artefact.
> > > 5. Look in nbbuild/netbeans for the NetBeans installation created by
> > > the build process and try running it.
> > >
> > > In addition to checking the sources, you should check the associated
> > > convenience binary zips, nbms and maven staging at the artefact links
> > > above. As well as checking any artefact functions correctly, you
> > > should check that it has been correctly signed by a PMC member, and
> > > that the source being voted on is sufficient to build the relevant
> > > binary.
> > >
> > > Separate votes will be held on other convenience binaries, including
> > > installers. Those will be dependent on this vote passing.
> > >
> > > This vote is going to be open at least 72 hours, vote with +1, 0, and
> > > -1 as usual. (Please justify -1)
> > >
> > > Please mark your vote with (binding) only if you're an Apache NetBeans
> > > PMC member to help with voting admin.
> > >
> > > Only respond if you are going to vote, i.e., this is NOT a discussion
> > > thread.
> > >
> > > Apache NetBeans 14 will be released if and when this vote passes.
> > >
> > > Thank you to all contributors for all your hard work!
> > > Thanks again
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Eric, Neil and Geertjan

Re: next release

[Geertjan Wielenga]

And please note this text in the vote thread, and can we try to really
follow this in the Apache NetBeans 14 vote thread, please:

“Only respond if you are going to vote, i.e., this is NOT a discussion
thread.”

Thanks,

Gj

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 10:12, Geertjan Wielenga <
geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> Search in your inbox for NetBeans 14 vote thread.
>
> Gj
>
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 10:10, Colin <78429...@qq.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Where is Netbeans 14 vote thread?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --原始邮件--
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>> > 发送时间:2022年6月2日(星期四) 下午2:08
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>> 主题:Re: next release
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For those wanting NetBeans 14 to be released: vote in the NetBeans 14 vote
>> thread, please.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Gj
>>
>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 23:29, Ty Young >
>> 
>>  On 5/30/22 8:55 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
>>   On Mon, 30 May 2022 at 14:46, Ty Young > wrote:
>>   Is the JDK 19 compatibility issues fixed in 14?
>>   GitHub issue links?
>>  
>>   One thing that fixes an issue on JDK 19 has just gone in.
>> But
>>   NetBeans isn't expected to fully support JDK 19 until version
>> 16.
>> 
>> 
>>  The issue is fixed it looks like. Thanks to whoever fixed it.
>> 
>> 
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Re: next release

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Search in your inbox for NetBeans 14 vote thread.

Gj

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 at 10:10, Colin <78429...@qq.com.invalid> wrote:

> Where is Netbeans 14 vote thread?
>
>
>
>
> --原始邮件--
> 发件人:
>   "dev"
>
>  发送时间:2022年6月2日(星期四) 下午2:08
> 收件人:"dev"
> 主题:Re: next release
>
>
>
> Hi all,
>
> For those wanting NetBeans 14 to be released: vote in the NetBeans 14 vote
> thread, please.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Gj
>
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 23:29, Ty Young 
> 
>  On 5/30/22 8:55 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
>   On Mon, 30 May 2022 at 14:46, Ty Young  wrote:
>   Is the JDK 19 compatibility issues fixed in 14?
>   GitHub issue links?
>  
>   One thing that fixes an issue on JDK 19 has just gone in.
> But
>   NetBeans isn't expected to fully support JDK 19 until version 16.
> 
> 
>  The issue is fixed it looks like. Thanks to whoever fixed it.
> 
> 
>  
>   Best wishes,
>  
>   Neil
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Re: next release

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Hi all,

For those wanting NetBeans 14 to be released: vote in the NetBeans 14 vote
thread, please.

Thanks,

Gj

On Wed, 1 Jun 2022 at 23:29, Ty Young  wrote:

>
> On 5/30/22 8:55 AM, Neil C Smith wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 May 2022 at 14:46, Ty Young  wrote:
> >> Is the JDK 19 compatibility issues fixed in 14?
> > GitHub issue links?
> >
> > One thing that fixes an issue on JDK 19 has just gone in.  But
> > NetBeans isn't expected to fully support JDK 19 until version 16.
>
>
> The issue is fixed it looks like. Thanks to whoever fixed it.
>
>
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Neil
> >
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Re: Apache NetBeans Plugin Portal verifications and approvals

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Great, yes, will get you included.

I believe I approved these, but will check again.

Gj

On Sat, 28 May 2022 at 22:51, Fabian Bahle  wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I published a new plugin to the Apache NetBeans Plugin Portal two weeks
> ago and also an update for an already approved plugin which I requested a
> new verification for NB 12 and 13 one week ago, both is still waiting for
> either approval or verification.
> Therefore I wanted to ask if there are people needed to support checking
> those plugins? If someone could tell me what needs to be done, I would be
> happy to check the one or the other plugin (of course not my own, but I saw
> other plugins waiting for verification as well).
>
> Cheers,
> Fabian
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Re: OpenJDK 17 with NB 13 and global quality?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

There’s been issues identified and it’s being looked at. What will you do
to prevent this continuing to happen to you? Maybe join in with early
testing prior to release to flag these issues you encounter and block the
next release until these kinds of issues are fixed?

Global quality is in your own hands.

Gj

On Fri, 27 May 2022 at 15:50, Jean-Marc Borer  wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> I start thinking that NB 13 has a lot of troubles with OpenJDK 17. I never
> had such issues in the past, but since the move to NB 13 I am not that
> happy anymore.
>
> 1) at start I have a lot of org.graalvm.polyglot.PolyglotException:
> java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError:
> com/oracle/truffle/api/exception/AbstractTruffleException while loading
> com.oracle.truffle.regex.RegexSyntaxException; see
> http://wiki.netbeans.org/DevFaqTroubleshootClassNotFound messages
> 2) as reported before indexing performance have completely dropped (even
> blocking)
> 3) Console parsing errors Error in RequestProcessor
> org.netbeans.modules.maven.execute.CommandLineOutputHandler$Output
> 4) when I launch NB plaform apps through Maven, the IDE constantly reports
> that there are running processes at IDE shutdown, which is obviously
> completely wrong (I triple checked).
>
> Is it related to OpenJDK17 and that there is no longer nb-javac? I still
> wonder, but my experience is currently bad and I am going to return to NB
> 12.4 with JDK 8...
>
> Has anyone else experienced such issues?
>
> Best regards,
>
> JMB
>

Re: Donation 6th Status

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Pick one of these that you (or someone else) are personally going to be
working on, what your schedule is, your timeline, and deliverables.

No, Oracle owes you nothing at all. No, we will not ask Oracle to donate
one more line of code that is not going to be owned by a very specific
person with an actual plan.

Gj



On Fri, 6 May 2022 at 19:37, Eric Bresie  wrote:

> I'm asking again, because there is more than just Python in the donation.
>
> Further, unless I've missed it, I've not seen an official "Donation 6 is
> done", "Donation 6 is ready for review" , or any such notification.
>
> Based on
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/Apache+Transition
>
>
>- JIRA support
>   -
>
>   jira
>   -
>
>   jira.rest
>   -
>
>   jira.xmlrpc
>   -
>
>   Wrappers to third party libraries
>   (c.atlassian.connector.eclipse.commons.core,
>   c.atlassian.connector.eclipse.jira.core,
>   c.atlassian.connector.eclipse.jira.core.rest, c.s.jersey,
>   c.s.mail.javax.mail, javax.servlet, javax.wsdl, javax.xml.rpc,
>   javax.xml.soap, libs.jira.rest, o.apache.axis,
> o.apache.commons.discovery,
>   o.codehaus.jettison, o.eclipse.mylyn.commons.soap,
>   o.eclipse.mylyn.monitor.ui.dummy, o.joda.time)
>   - contrib –
>   - ant.freeform.samples
>   - apisupport.beanbrowser
>   - apisupport.projectinspector
>   - autoproject.core
>   - autoproject.java
>   - autoproject.profiler
>   - autoproject.web
>   - autosave – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle authors
>   rather than Oracle?
>   - editor.fscompletion
>   - gsf
>   - gsf.api
>   - gsf.tools
>   - gsfpath.api
>   - insertunicode
>   - java.fscompletion
>   - javahints
>   - javahints.generate
>   - licensechanger
>   - modulemanager
>   - mount
>   - o.n.contrib.debuggerretry
>   - python.x (15 modules, including the wrappers o.jython,
>   o.jython.distro) – possibly to be contributed by its non-Oracle
> authors
>   rather than Oracle?
>   - quickfilechooser
>   - spellchecker.hunspell
>   - sysprops
>- community clusters:
>   - community-xml (2326 files)
>   - community-uml (6365 files)
>
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebre...@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 9:10 AM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
>
> > You've asked this several times at this point -- each time you've had
> > an answer already. I believe there's nothing that needs to be donated
> > anymore.
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 4:03 PM Eric Bresie  wrote:
> > >
> > > What is the current status of Donation 6?
> > >
> > > Is there any plans to complete this or has it been abandoned?
> > >
> > > Eric Bresie
> > > ebre...@gmail.com
> >
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Re: Donation 6th Status

[Geertjan Wielenga]

You've asked this several times at this point -- each time you've had
an answer already. I believe there's nothing that needs to be donated
anymore.

Gj

On Fri, May 6, 2022 at 4:03 PM Eric Bresie  wrote:
>
> What is the current status of Donation 6?
>
> Is there any plans to complete this or has it been abandoned?
>
> Eric Bresie
> ebre...@gmail.com

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Re: nbribbonbar

[Geertjan Wielenga]

https://github.com/geertjanw/jmn

Gj

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 4:31 PM Oliver Rettig  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am working on an netbeans editor-Extention to suport the work with conformal
> geometric algebra, which will include also a domain specific programming
> language based on truffle/graal.
>
> In this context I want to add the possibility to insert specific mathematical
> symbols in textfile edited with the netbeans-editor in form of a netbeans
> plugin.
>
> I have found the tutorial
>
> https://netbeans.apache.org/tutorials/74/nbm-ribbonbar.html
>
> which seems support some specific toolbar ui  but it is a pity: The code to
> nbribbonbar is gone.
>
> Has anybody saved the source code? Maybe Geertjan? If I get the code I can
> update the wiki and host the code somewhere in github to make it available for
> the furture.
>
> My current experiments with extentions of the the netbeans editor are here:
>
> https://github.com/orat/netbeans-cgasymbols/tree/master
>
> I have implemented additions to the editor context-menu to insert the symbols.
> But this looks too much cumbersome for the user. I think a ribbon-bar is
> nicer.
>
> If somebody is interested in the mathematical symbols and the experiments in
> implementing a formular parser to work with these symbols. The code is here:
>
> https://github.com/MobMonRob/DSL4GeometricAlgebra/blob/main/README.md
>
> best regards
> Oliver
>
>
>
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Re: PR merged, now what?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Not sure about that, lets see what others say.

Gj

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 16:15, Łukasz Bownik  wrote:

> What about branching. May I keep pumping PRs from the same branch?
>
> On Thu, Apr 14, 2022, 1:08 PM Geertjan Wielenga
>  wrote:
>
> > Small is good. :-)
> >
> > Gj
> >
> > On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 15:59, Łukasz Bownik 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hello.
> > > I got my first PR merged.
> > >
> > >
> > > Can I continue development on my branch or shall i create new branch
> for
> > > each pull request?
> > >
> > > Do you guys prefer small or larger PRs?
> > >
> >
>

Re: PR merged, now what?

[Geertjan Wielenga]

Small is good. :-)

Gj

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 at 15:59, Łukasz Bownik  wrote:

> Hello.
> I got my first PR merged.
>
>
> Can I continue development on my branch or shall i create new branch for
> each pull request?
>
> Do you guys prefer small or larger PRs?
>