Re: Is the NuttX BLE Stack broken? //was: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-10 Thread Alan C. Assis
Hi Lwazi, Thank you very much taking time to test it and confirming that it is not working. BTW, by working I mean "ble scanning" was working. I think we need some better application example on NuttX to test BLE. AFAIK our stack is too limited currently. BR, Alan On 3/10/23, Lwazi Dube wrote:

Re: Is the NuttX BLE Stack broken? //was: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-10 Thread Lwazi Dube
Hi Alan, If it is working on other platforms, no problem, I will fix my devices later if I get a chance. I will put some details here in case someone with my setup runs into the same issue. After posting my message I downloaded 9.0.0 and 10.0.0 and tested the releases (9 works and 10 is broken). He

Is the NuttX BLE Stack broken? //was: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-10 Thread Alan C. Assis
Hi Lwazi, I don't know about CC2564, but BLE Stack was working recently to ESP32, ESP32C3, nRF52, etc Is it related to this issue: https://github.com/apache/nuttx/issues/8767 BR, Alan On 3/9/23, Lwazi Dube wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 at 13:16, Alan C. Assis wrote: >> >> >> Welcome back go Nu

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Lwazi Dube
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 at 13:16, Alan C. Assis wrote: > > > Welcome back go NuttX Lwazi (I'm not been sarcastic, I'm happy to hear > from you again! You have a great knowledge of BLE can we need! I was > expecting you to share that working example of BLE application using > our BLE stack). > Thanks, I

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Gregory Nutt
First of all, people never respect pull request formats if this is not enforced. So enforcement is required as well. No member of the PMC has authority over any other.  An Apache project is ultra democratic bordering on anarchistic.  Each member is basically a "sovereign citizen." So we c

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
side and they will be notified that someone asks them to step up Best regards Alin -Original Message- From: Xiang Xiao Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:12 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects If some PR waits for a long time without an

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
side and they will be notified that someone asks them to step up Best regards Alin -Original Message- From: Xiang Xiao Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:12 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects If some PR waits for a long time without an

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Xiang Xiao
l be notified > that > >> someone asks them to step up > >> > >> Best regards > >> Alin > >> > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: Xiang Xiao > >> Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:12 > >> To: dev@nuttx.apa

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
Simply add some reviewers on the right side and they will be notified that someone asks them to step up Best regards Alin -Original Message- From: Xiang Xiao Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:12 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects If som

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Xiang Xiao
> Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:12 > To: dev@nuttx.apache.org > Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects > > If some PR waits for a long time without any review, how to make progress? > For example, this PR sent two weaks ago: > https://github.com/apache/nuttx/pull/86

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
es a patch submitted by another employee from the same company, for a board provided by the same company) Thanks Alin -Original Message- From: Alan C. Assis Sent: den 8 mars 2023 19:15 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread raiden00pl
a patch is merged except board changes (ex an employee > >> from the same company merges a patch submitted by another employee from > the > >> same company, for a board provided by the same company) > >> > >> Thanks > >> Alin > >> > &g

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
Alan C. Assis Sent: den 8 mars 2023 19:15 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects Hi Lwazi, It is not sarcarm, I'm talking about facts. Also I didn't say Sebastien points aren't valid, but is diverting from

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
...@sony.com Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2023 4:13 AM To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects Hi all, I agree with David but in my opinion this information should go in the commit message and no commit without message should be

RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread David Sidrane
: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects Hi all, I agree with David but in my opinion this information should go in the commit message and no commit without message should be merged. Not all people will check the PR message but you will always see the

RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread alin.jerpe...@sony.com
Hi Xiang, Simply add some reviewers on the right side and they will be notified that someone asks them to step up Best regards Alin -Original Message- From: Xiang Xiao Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:12 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache

RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread alin.jerpe...@sony.com
hat do you think ? Thanks Alin -Original Message- From: David Sidrane Sent: den 9 mars 2023 10:00 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects I would add that all pull request must have a statement explaining the

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Xiang Xiao
ployee > from the same company merges a patch submitted by another employee from the > same company, for a board provided by the same company) > > Thanks > Alin > > -Original Message- > From: Alan C. Assis > Sent: den 8 mars 2023 19:15 > To: dev@nuttx.apache.o

RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread David Sidrane
rsday, March 9, 2023 3:39 AM To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects Hi all, I feel that this thread is getting too long without a real outcome Some observations from my daily interactions with the project: - I like doi

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
company merges a patch submitted by another employee from the same company, for a board provided by the same company) Thanks Alin -Original Message- From: Alan C. Assis Sent: den 8 mars 2023 19:15 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing

RE: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-09 Thread alin.jerpe...@sony.com
by another employee from the same company, for a board provided by the same company) Thanks Alin -Original Message- From: Alan C. Assis Sent: den 8 mars 2023 19:15 To: dev@nuttx.apache.org Cc: Sebastien Lorquet Subject: Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects Hi

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Tomek CEDRO
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 7:16 PM Alan C. Assis wrote: > Problem is that we don't have enough reviewers. I was recently invited to the PMC, thank you, this is a great honour, and obligation, I will try to act as best I can to support you folks.. but this is really lots of everyday work from what I ca

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Alan C. Assis
Hi Lwazi, It is not sarcarm, I'm talking about facts. Also I didn't say Sebastien points aren't valid, but is diverting from the real issue. The issue is not if the discussion is happening here or there, the Problem is that we don't have enough reviewers. So, first step is that NuttX needs to i

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Tomek CEDRO
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 6:08 PM Tomek CEDRO wrote: > Master branch can have some things that will not work. No one is able > to predict everything. It is still possible to revert changes or > redirect them in a good "backward compatible" way with a new feature. Just a note: There are two approaches

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Xiang Xiao
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 10:05 PM Sebastien Lorquet wrote: > I dont think your point of view is very realistic. You seem to be > turning the situation into something that pleases you but is not really > compatible with what can be observed from outside. > > In the archive for 2023 there are 2035 to

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Tomek CEDRO
On Wed, Mar 8, 2023 at 5:37 PM Lwazi Dube wrote: > On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 at 09:55, Alan C. Assis wrote: > > > > Sebastien, > > > > If all the discussions that happens on github start to happen here, > > this mailing list will be just like the nuttx-commits mailing list. > > I'll take this as sarcasm

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
Hi, I am really certain "people" have the best intention, but it would be even better if they shared these with the rest of the community. And I am not talking about code review. You cant review code if you dont know there IS serious code to review. And we dont need to review every typo. I

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Lwazi Dube
On Wed, 8 Mar 2023 at 09:55, Alan C. Assis wrote: > > Sebastien, > > If all the discussions that happens on github start to happen here, > this mailing list will be just like the nuttx-commits mailing list. I'll take this as sarcasm. Sebastien is making a lot of valid points, in good faith, and b

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Brennan Ashton
This whole thread really bums me out. We really should be assuming people are acting with best intentions, rather than accusing of ulterior motives. If there are changes that you have concerns about people tend to be very reasonable about explaining and if we need to revert something or change some

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Gregory Nutt
I think that there are two different kinds of discussion that we need to have and these are probably best done in different forums. /*Black Box*/ By black box I mean the externally observed behavior and characteristics of the OS:  Interfaces, performance, driver facilities, build changes etc.

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Matheus Castello
but, Github PRs and discussion there is not public? And also the commits, messages and discussions are not being archived? So, what exactly is the problem? to me it seems more like you are trying to justify your failure to follow the project and discuss it in the community. Obs: I feel like I'

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
I tend to disagree. You have extreme views that all commits need to be discussed. That is false. What need to be discussed is much subtle. We need to have discussion whenever ANYONE has a doubt about something that is happening on github BEFORE this is committed. Xiaomi (and other companies

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Gregory Nutt
On 3/8/2023 9:17 AM, Gregory Nutt wrote: ``There's a saying here that "if it didn't happen on list, it didn't happen." '' (yes, probably from someone that develops or sales a mailing list software) Hehehe No.  That is official ASF policy summarized as a motto: https://community.apache.org/ne

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Gregory Nutt
``There's a saying here that "if it didn't happen on list, it didn't happen." '' (yes, probably from someone that develops or sales a mailing list software) Hehehe No.  That is official ASF policy summarized as a motto: https://community.apache.org/newbiefaq.html#NewbieFAQ-IsthereaCodeofCond

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Alan C. Assis
Hi Nathan, ``There's a saying here that "if it didn't happen on list, it didn't happen." '' (yes, probably from someone that develops or sales a mailing list software) Hehehe I think we need to have a middle ground, if every single commit needs to "happen on list, to be considered as happen", it

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Alan C. Assis
Sebastien, If all the discussions that happens on github start to happen here, this mailing list will be just like the nuttx-commits mailing list. So, your point is a catch 22! (dilemma)... You are against using github and against have a mailing list with huge email messages. Also you cannot com

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Nathan Hartman
I do think that as a project community, this is an important discussion to have. There are significant changes taking place regularly. I am in favor of improving the code, improving our POSIX-like / Linux-like / Unix-like compliance as much as is feasible while supporting deeply embedded and small

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
I dont think your point of view is very realistic. You seem to be turning the situation into something that pleases you but is not really compatible with what can be observed from outside. In the archive for 2023 there are 2035 topics, I just overlooked more than 600 of them and ALL of them ar

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Alan C. Assis
s/he/here/ On 3/8/23, Alan C. Assis wrote: > Hi Sebastien, > > Yes, that commit list is mostly for people who don't want to use > github but still wanting to see what is going on. > > Sometimes when a very important PR raises some concern on GitHub PR, > people post their concern he, it already h

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Alan C. Assis
Hi Sebastien, Yes, that commit list is mostly for people who don't want to use github but still wanting to see what is going on. Sometimes when a very important PR raises some concern on GitHub PR, people post their concern he, it already happened many times. But again: the best way to guarantee

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
Hi, I had a look and this mailing list is not made for human consumption. No one has ever sent a message on it manually, right? In practice, important changes are still NOT discussed on the DEV mailing list. You said yourself that "all development has moved to github". As soon as automated

Re: DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Alan C. Assis
HI Sebastien, It is already done, you just need to subscribe to https://lists.apache.org/list.html?comm...@nuttx.apache.org to receive all commits messages and discussions. Everything is archived on apache side! BR, Alan On 3/8/23, Sebastien Lorquet wrote: > Apache projects are required to us

DISCUSSION - Usage of mailing lists for apache projects

2023-03-08 Thread Sebastien Lorquet
Apache projects are required to use mailing lists for long term archival purposes. It seems to me that this project is avoiding that rule and moved all development to github This is in contradiction with the Apache project rules. I request clarification on this situation and requirement (in