/patch-boost-math-error-policy
cheers,
Pedro.
Ugh.. I am really tired of this.
I even declare myself agnostic.
I have a new way to address this issue and hopefully put an end to it
and I will post it RSN, OK?
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 17:31
Oggetto: Proposal: How we should handle committer vetos and reverts
and there are so many
good things happening around that I can save myself some trouble and
spend time much more productively than considering the value of 0^0 :).
cheers,
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Herbert Dürr h...@apache.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc:
Inviato: Venerdì
Cheers,
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Fred Ollinger folli...@gmail.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc:
Inviato: Venerdì 15 Febbraio 2013 13:49
Oggetto: oracle java7 build bug
T his is using the patch that I had created last week which gets us
past the hsqldb java7 compile errors
.
Changes can be proposed by anyone but only a committer can make
proposals true. That why committers must be respected when they
spending their spare time in the project..
Pedro.
for a valid technical justification:
Pedro.
.
The patch needs to be reverted, now.
Please do not go on and revert it now, and please do not escalate the problem
again (this friendly advice applies to Pedro too). It is a trivial issue,
with
no side effects on the rest of the code, and it will be quickly solved by
voting
(where a -1
Hello Juergen;
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Jürgen Schmidt
On 2/14/13 2:29 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
On 02/13/2013 02:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Independently of the vote result I will be effectively stopping the
development work I intended to do on Calc as I have
in an invented
set that has no connection to the regular math in a spreadsheet.
In all honesty, the discussion about the correct value that should
be assigned to 0 ^ 0 is in discussion since at least 1834 and is
apparently not going to be solved in this list :).
Pedro.
mentioned alternatives is evidently buried within such mountain. :).
Is this really the best you got? Why not take my offer and give it a two
weeks thought? You may come up with something more elaborate.
Pedro.
the Apache procedures.
Pedro.
the poisonous people video[1] said:
Patches Welcome
Pedro.
[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q52kFL8zVoM
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
And I should say that I'm happy to help if you or anyone else
wishes
to introduce a warning mode or formula
you should have waited as I could've
tried a quick fix. This is/was not an urgent issue and 99% of AOO
was fully operational without affecting anyone elses work..
It doesn't really matter anymore (specially if the bug is where I
think it is) but it is an experience to learn from.
Pedro.
Rob;
Can you confirm the platform where you got those results?
Thanks,
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
Cc:
Inviato: Giovedì 14 Febbraio 2013 16:47
Oggetto: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0
?
I would think no delay == within 24 hours.
Pedro.
Thats alright I just needed to know it was not linux.
In the bugzilla issue Dennis had reported those were OK in some platform.
Ah well, given the monster thread this caused excuse me if I dont hurry to fix
it ;).
Pedro.
Ugh...
I think this is beating the dead horse now, but you cannot say I was
unresponsive during this thread.
The main question to rescue here is: How decides if a veto is valid or not?
Kay#39;s veto really needed clarification and I still think that your original
veto was not technical.
Pedro.
Hello;
Da: Norbert Thiebaud
...
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 10:09 PM, Rob Weir rabas...@gmail.com wrote:
On Feb 12, 2013, at 10:39 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
(OK, I guess it's better to re-subscribe to the list).
In reply to Norbert Thiebaud*:
In the Power rule, which
FWIW;
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
Of course, had I implemented quaternion math using Boost, no one would be
complaining. :-P
Pedro.
[1] http://bikeshed.org
Do it, do it, do it; PLEESSEEE. :-)
Quaternions are cool
information we can
revise the issue before 4.0 is released.
Pedro.
Da: RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org; Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
Inviato: Mercoledì 13 Febbraio 2013 10:43
Oggetto: Re: Calc behavior: result of 0 ^ 0
Not answering any
reason for
setting 0 ^ 0 =1, but it doesn't apply to a spreadsheet
so I will leave at that :-P.
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
...
On 02/13/2013 02:46 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Independently of the vote result I will be effectively stopping the
development work I intended to do on Calc as I have lost all
interest on improving it given the current
the change
would be incorrect and no example where someone has been affected
by this change has been provided.
Has the patch been vetoed, and if so on what basis?
Pedro.
Da: Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: dwhyt
magically either.
I would be extremely disappointed to have to revert a correct fix for
non-technical
reasons. I think I would lose any motivation to improve other functions in Calc.
Pedro.
himself in the foot but ultimately I would
wonder. if this author *is* using mathematics correctly. 0^0 is a good
indication
that there is something wrong in your calculation and evidently Excel users
have come to accept it.
Pedro.
*Welcome to this list ;).
Thank you!
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Hrishit Patel
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 3:56 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Thank you Hrishit!
Just building it is a great step forward. That is a great advance indeed.
What platform are you using? We need a diff file.
On UNIX/linux you
in the future...
--tim
I agree with Tim. It is rude to revert someone else's changes without
giving the original committer the time to fix it himself or defend his
position. There is no good reason to be rude with a colleague.
Pedro.
Hello;
You are right. My comparison was insensible and way out of line.
I apologize and I will take a break from the lists for a while.
Pedro.
still
standing out.
What ever can be done...
Again, just chose a color for the bikeshed that seems average
among the proposals ;).
Pedro.
can be files or even directories.
You then attach the resulting diff-file.patch to the bugzilla issue.
And feel free to buzz us on this list so someone reviews it :-).
Pedro.
Da: Hrishit Patel hripat1...@gmail.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Venerdì 1
Thank you Dave!
It's still perfectly visible without being too scandalous. I like it.
Now for a new bikeshed ... I would use Volunteers wanted, instead of
Volunteers needed ;).
Just kidding ... :).
Pedro.
Da: Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net
A: dev
hold it right there
Volunteers wanted and needed is just too much for a shed.
Pedro.
Da: Rob Weir robw...@apache.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Venerdì 1 Febbraio 2013 18:50
Oggetto: Re: [bikeshed] I like blue titles.
On Fri, Feb 1, 2013
Hi Fred;
The mailing list tends to eat all attachments so your patch didn't
make it :(.
Perhaps you can open a Bugzilla report on this we can use
some of those copy-paste services.
Pedro.
Da: Fred Ollinger folli...@gmail.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
/openoffice-3-devel/
- which would be the BSD equivalent.
I don't know about linux but for FreeBSD please use this link:
http://www.freshports.org/editors/openoffice-3/
the -devel version is only meant for ... developers :).
Pedro.
It is unfortunately not that easy.
You need to specify a lot of configure flags. Follow in detail
the building guide:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/Building_Guide_AOO
Pedro.
ps. Bienvenidos!!
Da: Henry Tiquet Leyva henry.tiquet.le
Hi Kay;
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Kay Schenk
On Sat, Jan 26, 2013 at 5:17 PM, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
Hello Alan;
My guess is that you are using a localized (non-english) environment, but
JDK7 is also a know source of problems ih hsqldb.
Hope that helps
..
It was moved here:
http://code.google.com/a/apache-extras.org/p/dmake/
Pedro.
that AOO provides.
Pedro.
Da: Alan Eduardo Puc Pech
...
switchtojdk16:
[java]
store:
[javac] /home/alan/ooo/main/hsqldb/
unxlngi6.pro/misc/build/hsqldb/build/build.xml:291: warning:
'includeantruntime' was not set, defaulting
to build it.
Pedro.
Hello Alan;
My guess is that you are using a localized (non-english) environment, but JDK7
is also a know source of problems ih hsqldb.
Hope that helps,
Pedro.
+1 (binding)
Da: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Mercoledì 23 Gennaio 2013 4:13
Oggetto: [VOTE]: Release Apache OpenOffice 3.4.1 respin to support 8 new
languages
Hi all,
this is a call for vote on releasing a
to
understand enough to make a huge difference.
Pedro.
Da: Michael Lam mnsyl4...@verizon.net
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Giovedì 24 Gennaio 2013 20:26
Oggetto: Hi
My name is Michael Lam, I am a software engineer and I would like to
volunteer. I mostly
Hi Michael;
That's pretty weird because I just built everything fine.
Try svn update and if you get errors report the revision number,
Pedro.
Da: Michael Lam mnsyl4...@verizon.net
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Giovedì 24 Gennaio 2013 23:56
Oggetto
with such a
project? If we decide to work on it, we have to start immediately to
have enough time for testing.
Not volunteering sorry, my plate is full.
Pedro.
://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon's_razor
cheers,
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Andrea Pescetti
Pedro Giffuni wrote:
It would be good to tun a RAT scan over the website. We have not done
anything to clean the content licensewise and we probably carry
copyleft content, including code, there!
The website contains gigabytes
that would be interesting for the SAL module.
5) We use hypot a lot (look it up in opengrok), perhaps we should add an
implementation in SAL.
Pedro.
ps. If someone wants to open bugzilla issues for any of these, please don't
include me, I specifically don't have time for any of it.
.
Pedro.
ps. If someone wants to open bugzilla issues for any of these, please
don't include me, I specifically don't have time for any of it.
I'd still recommend entering these ideas into Bugzilla, classified as
a task and setting an appropriate difficulty level.
Feel free to do
Somewhat off-topic, ma non troppo ...
It would be good to tun a RAT scan over the website. We have not done anything
to clean the content licensewise and we probably carry copyleft content,
including code, there!
Pedro.
Hi Rob;
Perhaps we should add a legal DISCLAIMER to the branches directory?
I am aware of other projects taking code from there that we may not
be releasing after all (oops).
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
I've checked in a README file to the root of our SVN tree
.
Use at your own risk.
You may want to check with legal if we should include something else.
Pedro.
as their license
permits, is the right thing to do.
Pedro.
Da: Gianluca Turconi pub...@letturefantastiche.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Venerdì 18 Gennaio 2013 6:54
Oggetto: Re: Dictionaries?
Il 18/01/2013 1.01, Andrea Pescetti ha scritto:
We did
Thank you Armin;
It will take me some time to check but I think that you hit the issue.
I guess it's time to have a BSD buildbot (hi Andrew ;) ).
The difference with the linux buildbot is that we try to use all the system
libraries available.
Pedro.
Da
Hi Maho;
Money is never a problem in the ASF ;)
We talked about the buildbot in ApacheConEU. infra@ was providing a VM
with FreeBSD 9 (9.1 now?).
The setup should not be difficult if we start from the current FreeBSD port
(which maho@ wrote and maintains).
Pedro
fragile for two reasons:
- internal icu.
- stlport.
The first needs to be updated and the second needs to die. Both issues
are also key to get a working clang port and would help greatly
MacOS X.
In any case the status is ... the port works and has been shipping for a
while!
cheers,
Pedro.
Hello Jan;
I would think that as long as the old wiki.openoffice.org redirects to the
new site there should be no problem.
We are certainly proud to be under the Apache domain.
Pedro.
Da: janI j...@apache.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Lunedì
Hmm...
I think I have a dirty build for running svn update in the middle of a build.
Nevermind :(.
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Pedro Giffuni
...
gmake: Nothing to be done for `allandcheck'.
/usr/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/work/ooo/main/canvas/source/cairo
attention to his project.
Pedro.
Because it's not a relatively small part but the Symphony code will
(IMHO) play a bigger role in coming AOO releases, e.g., improvements in
the UI and accessibility.
The code is in the tree, we have Wikis describing the changes and
we have people working
informational.
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Pavel Janík
Hi,
On Jan 4, 2013, at 6:42 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
MSVC is picky/dumb and we have to specify the type, like in this case:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/708555/compile-error-c-could-not-deduce-template
properly
to avoid doing work manually but as long as you don't interfere negatively
with other platforms it is OK.
Finally, since I like to switch to GNU-Compiler-Toolchain on solaris too,
building this GNU-Environment will accompany this transition well.
That will be the interesting part.
Pedro.
is the #include line)
I do plan to make patches and spreadsheets available for early testers, but I
won't start a branch for two patches (OK, actually three if you count what
I will do to the PRNG).
Maho-san, may have bigger changes in mind, i that case we may consider
a branch,
Pedro.
[1] Also
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Herbert Duerr h...@apache.org
...
Hi,
On 04.01.2013 06:19, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
As title says the windows build got broken by my attempt to use boost::math
in Calc. The linux buildbots are fine so it seems some interaction between
MSVC
and boost
Well, it is easier to get funding for such things if both projects get benefits.
Depending on the organizers, if things only go to one side now it is likely
that such funding will not be available in the future or that it will be
reduced considerably and then everyone loses.
Pedro
in or out of the base Calc
or in a scaddin.
Pedro.
Hi Regina;
Thank you for the explanations.
Da: Regina Henschel
Hi Pedro,
Pedro Giffuni schrieb:
Hi;
While digging around Calc I see some things that could be ordered better.
One change that I am considering is moving RAND() to the
Analysis scaddin
math support, otherwise I will try to fix it
tomorrow and will wait for the buildbot to restart ;).
Cheers,
Pedro.
down :-P.
Pedro.
we do: I think basically the hyperbolic and
some power functions that are in my patch and the statistics functions.
Pedro.
Hi Maho;
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Maho NAKATA
Hi all and Pedro,
In 2012/12/30 I recieved an e-mail from Pedro (sorry
if you want to keep this activity secret) that he want to use
uBLAS http://www.boost.org/doc/libs/1_48_0/libs/numeric/ublas/doc/index.htm
for matrix-matrxi
Hello Regina;
I looked into the AOO code and the situation is actually a less critical than
I thought: we don't use the system libraries for the hyperbolic functions but
instead we have our own implementations in the SAL layer.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Regina Henschel
Hi Pedro
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
On Sun, Dec 30, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
...
Please feel free to contribute a spreadsheet that calculates the
edge
cases. Any contribution of that kind is welcome
FDIST = 1 - LEGACY.FDIST
It should be easy to fix and I think it should be done before 4.x.
BTW, I am considering doing something drastic there, like replacing all the
probablilty
distributions with with boost implementations. Would there be any good reason to
avoid such approach?
Pedro.
will probably not see any of it
this year, but it will be coming through bugzilla so that you have time to help
review the changes with real code :)..
Pedro.
Da: janI
...
Oggetto: Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE for the next couple of hours
@pedro: thx, that can save quite some time if it works.
@dave: nice to know that you are admin, so you can help provide e.g. a list
of pages.
Two things here:
The conversor is one way only
Da: janI
On 26 December 2012 16:47, Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org wrote:
...
We do have licensing issues with the content of both the wiki and the website.
If you check the lengthy discussion we had about it you will find that the
documentation is mostly
(access to the db, running CWiki, I recall)
cheers,
Pedro.
Da: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: janI j...@apache.org
Inviato: Lunedì 24 Dicembre 2012 14:45
Oggetto: Re: [mwiki] IS DOWN FOR DB MAINTENANCE
FWIW;
One of the suggestions from Terry E was moving from MySQL to PostgreSQL,
which offered advantages for doing proper backups. My memory is sketchy so
you may want to dig up the details in the archives.
Pedro.
Da: janI j...@apache.org
A: dev
engaging in
future investments of this kind.
Pedro.
Da: Andrew Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Domenica 23 Dicembre 2012 14:46
Oggetto: Re: AOO questions on Google
No save as for docx is why libre is installed on a few
not volunteering though :(.
regards,
Pedro.
Da: Armin Le Grand armin.le.gr...@me.com
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Giovedì 20 Dicembre 2012 5:45
Oggetto: [proposal] Adopt palette to Symphony palette partially
Hi List,
Talking about palettes
Da: Pedro Giffuni
Hello;
Despite being so subjective, this is an extremely interesting subject.
I went googling around the subject and it is quite important, I mean, there
are experts that
work on this stuff. For example, these guys will let you obtain a palette from
a picture:
http
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Armin Le Grand
Hi Pedro,
On 20.12.2012 16:21, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hello;
...
Looking at Symphony: I like the color palette but it still can be improved.
If you slide over
the colors you can see names and while some are descriptive
Hmm..
It looks like my recent update of libxml2 broke the build in Windows.
Before reverting, anyone has details of the breakage? The buildbot is not
especific at all.
Thanks and sorry,
Pedro.
I found it.. it's an upstream bug.
I will fix it in half an hour or so.
cheers,
Pedro.
Da: Pedro Giffuni p...@apache.org
A: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Venerdì 21 Dicembre 2012 0:29
Oggetto: I broke the windows build :(
Hmm..
It looks like my
like that in his pyuno3 project:
https://github.com/hanya/pyuno3/
cheers,
Pedro.
audience...
Abandonware. Not sure if Ariel had something in the works to rescue it
as an extension.
Pedro.
I like it!
cheers,
Pedro.
Da: Michael Acevedo vea1...@gmail.com
A: Apache OpenOffice dev@openoffice.apache.org; Apache OpenOffice Marketing
market...@openoffice.apache.org
Inviato: Mercoledì 19 Dicembre 2012 20:33
Oggetto: [PROPOSAL] New Apache OpenOffice 4
Hi Rob;
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Rob Weir
...
On Dec 18, 2012, at 10:12 AM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hello;
Just to get the general public to know some of the things there are going
on in
the AOO code, Andrea and I have been preparing a blog post about the new
random
Tthank you Andrea!
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Andrea Pescetti
...
On 18/12/2012 Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Da: Rob Weir
So it might be worth
encouraging some more rigorous testing here. In fact, maybe your blog
post can help recruit some volunteers? ...
That is certainly
Hello;
FWIW, one idea that I left floating during ApacheConEU was the creation of
a chinese list. Imacat was working on it, no idea if it the idea is still alive
or
waiting for volunteers to help moderate, etc.
Pedro.
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Yue Helen
I missed the great event
- Messaggio originale -
Da: Ariel Constenla-Haile
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 09:10:09AM -0800, Kay Schenk wrote:
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 2:50 PM, Pedro Giffuni wrote:
Hello Kay;
Yes, I can confirm after solving those two issues,we got OpenOffice
building with JDK 7
/show_bug.cgi?id=121098
The fix is rather trivial.
Pedro.
Hello Kay;
Yes, I can confirm after solving those two issues,we got OpenOffice building
with JDK 7 on FreeBSD:
http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/editors/openoffice-3-devel/files/
Pedro.
be doing nothing as well!
The only thing that matters is that 4 is a valid value. And of course there was
a reason to
mention compile and test phases before committing. :)
Pedro.
:).
cheers,
Pedro.
against it. The main issue is probably the C bridge and then the
linux/bsd
ports may be of help. There is a few documentation on how it's done:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Porting_Introduction
Pedro.
Hi;
I went ahead and reviewed some of them... not all.
Pedro.
- Original Message -
From: Jürgen Schmidt jogischm...@gmail.com
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Cc:
Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: Unprocessed solaris bugs
On 12/3/12 3:55 PM, Jean-Louis 'Hans
Thank you Tsutomu-san!
I am currently busy with other stuff but I am aware of what's needed in
our pyuno layer so I will examine your code soon.
Pedro.
- Original Message -
From: Tsutomu Uchino
Hi,
2012/12/2, Pedro Giffuni :
FWIW;
After updating Python to 2.7.3 I started
are slowly taking what we need, and
that actually saves us time as we are not spending resources
on things that will never be released. This approach depends on
having IBM developers available but that is luckily the case.
All just IMHO though.
Pedro.
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