Re: forum openoffice

[Hagar Delest]

Indeed, we may have found a workaround, the post has been updated 
recently: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=111481



Le 14/08/2024 à 21:53, gretha le comte -meijer a écrit :


Thank you, I will do that.
It was a message on the board, to send all the details to this email.. 
Sorry..



Op wo 14 aug 2024 21:43 schreef Hagar Delest :

Hi,

NEVER give your credentials like that in a mailing list,
especially if
it is a public one!
Try with registering with the mail gm.mei...@googlemail.com.
And use another password now that it's in the open.
If you don't get the activation mail, just tell.

Hagar


Le 13/08/2024 à 15:13, gretha le comte -meijer a écrit :
> hi
> i'm trying to register for the forum openoffice but i have a gmail
> address...
> i read that i have to send an email in order to register..
> my username is GMM1984
> password Gretha1984!
> and ofcourse my email address: gm.mei...@gmail.com
>
> kind regards
>
> Gretha le Comte-Meijer
>

Re: forum openoffice

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

NEVER give your credentials like that in a mailing list, especially if 
it is a public one!

Try with registering with the mail gm.mei...@googlemail.com.
And use another password now that it's in the open.
If you don't get the activation mail, just tell.

Hagar


Le 13/08/2024 à 15:13, gretha le comte -meijer a écrit :

hi
i'm trying to register for the forum openoffice but i have a gmail
address...
i read that i have to send an email in order to register..
my username is GMM1984
password Gretha1984!
and ofcourse my email address: gm.mei...@gmail.com

kind regards

Gretha le Comte-Meijer




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Re: Registration problem

[Hagar Delest]

Hi Geoff,

I have activated your account.

Regards,
Hagar
Forum admin team

Le 12/05/2024 à 14:01, Geoff Tennant a écrit :

I tried to register using this email address
geofftennant14...@gmail.com
I have yet to get the confirmation email from you
Can you facilitate this

Cheers
Geoff Tennant



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Re: Attempting to Activate Account with Gmail Address

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Your account has been activated by a moderator.

Regards,
Hagar
Forum admin team

Le 08/05/2024 à 00:28, Ron Gordon a écrit :

Per Post Edit Apr-2024 by TerryE, I am warning the forum through the “AOO dev 
mailing list" that I have applied for an account.
Unfortunately, I have a gmail address.

My proposed User ID is RGordon3503

AOO Ver 4.1.15 on MacOS 14.4.1

Thank you,

Ron Gordon
rucanoe...@gmail.com








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Re: Forum issue with gmail addresses

[Hagar Delest]

For the record, I made further tests. I changed the admin email to 
another mail provider (gmx.com) and no luck either. I tested that same 
gmx.com address with a forum of mine, running almost the same phpBB 
version (same main branch) and it worked fine.
So I guess that the issue may be bigger than a mere gmail configuration 
update.


Hagar

Le 04/05/2024 à 09:34, David a écrit :
Is there any likelihood that this problem will be resolved in the near 
future?


Dave Fisher wrote:

Hi -

I’m hoping to follow up on the host VM and investigate this issue. 
I’m likely to need help from ASF Infra on the VM's smtp 
configuration. BTW - we also need to make sure that changes don’t 
break the MediaWiki which is hosted on that same VM.


Best,
Dave


On Apr 3, 2024, at 1:24 AM, David  wrote:

More information. I did a little testing on a sandbox phpBB 
installation, setting the From address to a valid gmail address. A 
bounce message was received by the user apache - the user as which 
the web server, and consequently phpBB, run. It might be useful to 
check the mailbox for the user under which your httpd runs.


David wrote:
The settings for outgoing mail are in the General tab as Email 
Settings in the Client Communication section - at least on a 
vanilla installation of phpBB; it may be that you don't have access 
to the entire range of admin functions.


Outgoing mail from the forum has the From field set as
From: 
and the return path
Return-Path: 

Perhaps this triggers Gmail's quarantine policy?

I can provide full headers for some examples of outgoing mails from 
the forum if it would be of any assistance.



Hagar Delest wrote:

It seems to be a recent change:
https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en#zippy=%2Crequirements-for-all-senders 



I don't see anything in the phpBB admin interface for that.
I tried with another mail address, no Gmail off course, no luck 
either.


Hagar.


Le lun. 25 mars 2024, 21:22, Hagar Delest  
a écrit :



Hi,

For the record, there is a problem with the forum (at least the 
EN one):

no notification is sent anymore to users with a gmail address. It
includes the activation mail at registration (rather critical), 
the mail
when sent through the contact field, and notifications sent by 
the board

when replies are made.
The admin mail (a gmail one) does not get any new mail too when sent
from the board (a mail sent from a gmail address does come 
through if

sent from a regular mail client).

Not sure if it is linked to this one:
https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2591856

It stopped working around mid-March. If someone with the karma could
check the logs.
Thanks

Hagar


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Re: Forum issue with gmail addresses

[Hagar Delest]

The phpBB admin form only requests contact and from addresses.
IMHO the issue is with the requirements for SPF, DKIM... as described in
the link provided.

Hagar

Le mar. 2 avr. 2024, 08:00, David  a écrit :

> The settings for outgoing mail are in the General tab as Email Settings
> in the Client Communication section - at least on a vanilla installation
> of phpBB; it may be that you don't have access to the entire range of
> admin functions.
>
> Outgoing mail from the forum has the From field set as
> From: 
> and the return path
> Return-Path: 
>
> Perhaps this triggers Gmail's quarantine policy?
>
> I can provide full headers for some examples of outgoing mails from the
> forum if it would be of any assistance.
>
>
> Hagar Delest wrote:
> > It seems to be a recent change:
> >
> https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en#zippy=%2Crequirements-for-all-senders
> >
> > I don't see anything in the phpBB admin interface for that.
> > I tried with another mail address, no Gmail off course, no luck either.
> >
> > Hagar.
> >
> >
> > Le lun. 25 mars 2024, 21:22, Hagar Delest  a
> écrit :
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> For the record, there is a problem with the forum (at least the EN one):
> >> no notification is sent anymore to users with a gmail address. It
> >> includes the activation mail at registration (rather critical), the mail
> >> when sent through the contact field, and notifications sent by the board
> >> when replies are made.
> >> The admin mail (a gmail one) does not get any new mail too when sent
> >> from the board (a mail sent from a gmail address does come through if
> >> sent from a regular mail client).
> >>
> >> Not sure if it is linked to this one:
> >> https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2591856
> >>
> >> It stopped working around mid-March. If someone with the karma could
> >> check the logs.
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Hagar
> >>
>
>
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Re: Forum issue with gmail addresses

[Hagar Delest]

It seems to be a recent change:
https://support.google.com/a/answer/81126?hl=en#zippy=%2Crequirements-for-all-senders

I don't see anything in the phpBB admin interface for that.
I tried with another mail address, no Gmail off course, no luck either.

Hagar.


Le lun. 25 mars 2024, 21:22, Hagar Delest  a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> For the record, there is a problem with the forum (at least the EN one):
> no notification is sent anymore to users with a gmail address. It
> includes the activation mail at registration (rather critical), the mail
> when sent through the contact field, and notifications sent by the board
> when replies are made.
> The admin mail (a gmail one) does not get any new mail too when sent
> from the board (a mail sent from a gmail address does come through if
> sent from a regular mail client).
>
> Not sure if it is linked to this one:
> https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2591856
>
> It stopped working around mid-March. If someone with the karma could
> check the logs.
> Thanks
>
> Hagar
>

Forum issue with gmail addresses

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

For the record, there is a problem with the forum (at least the EN one): 
no notification is sent anymore to users with a gmail address. It 
includes the activation mail at registration (rather critical), the mail 
when sent through the contact field, and notifications sent by the board 
when replies are made.
The admin mail (a gmail one) does not get any new mail too when sent 
from the board (a mail sent from a gmail address does come through if 
sent from a regular mail client).


Not sure if it is linked to this one: 
https://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?t=2591856


It stopped working around mid-March. If someone with the karma could 
check the logs.

Thanks

Hagar

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Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

[Hagar Delest]

Indeed, I think that the trick was in the Server settings of the ACP.
I had to change the setting for Force server URL settings to Yes (was No).
I guess there is still something wrong in the server files (a 
declaration that still uses user.services). But I understand it is now 
overridden by this ACP setting.


Seems OK so far.
Thanks!

Hagar

Le 28/01/2023 à 17:24, Bidouille a écrit :

I'm trying to test your BbCode
[rel={LOCAL_URL}]{TEXT1}[/rel] works with french forum
If I input:
  [rel=foo]test[/rel]
Give a right path with:
  https://forum.openoffice.org/fr/forum/foo>test
So for me, you have a wrong url somewhere in ACP.
The truth is out there :-)


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De: "Hagar Delest" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Samedi 28 Janvier 2023 11:57:17
Objet: Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

Thanks Bidouille. That's the way I took.
I changed the settings in the ACP.

Before:
BBCode usage = [rel={LOCAL_URL}]{TEXT1}[/rel]
HTML replacement = {TEXT1}

Now:
BBCode usage = [rel={TEXT1}]{TEXT2}[/rel]
HTML replacement = https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/{TEXT1}";>{TEXT2}

Not very elegant since it defeats the point of the LOCAL_URL. But at
least it works.

Hagar

Le 26/01/2023 à 11:00, Bidouille a écrit :

[rel] is not a standard BBcode
It would take someone with enough karma to go modify it in the ACP.

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De: "Hagar Delest" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Janvier 2023 21:54:28
Objet: Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

Hi,

I saw that there was some improvement with the Italian forum.
If someone could fix this one too, that would be great.
TIA.

Hagar

Le 05/10/2022 à 20:15, Hagar Delest a écrit :

Hi,

I noticed the [rel] BBcode tag started to work again a short
while
ago. But today, I had the Firefox security warning again (on my
xubuntu machine).
I noticed that the url being parsed is
https://forum.openoffice.org//en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166
for
example with 2 slashes after the forum.openoffice.org string.
Any change recently that could have given this glitch?

Hagar

Le 31/05/2022 à 18:55, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi Hagar,

I’ve asked Infra to make some changes to how the
user.services.openoffice.org domain is handled.

Currently it is an alias (CNAME) for forum.openoffice.org. We
are
changing it into a redirect from another server.

Once that is done we will see if this just fixes itself or if a
restart and cache clearance is required.


On May 30, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Hagar Delest

wrote:

Hi (Dave),

There is a problem at least in the EN forum with links made
with
the
[rel] BBcode tag.
The base url seems to have reverted to
"https://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/"; instead of
"https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/";.
The consequence is that there is no redirection but an error
message
from the browser (tested with Firefox on Xubuntu 22.04 only),
stating that there may be a security risk following that link
(translation from my French error message).
It used to worked after the migration (it needed a tweak
however).

I checked in the admin panel of the phpBB interface but I've
not
found any string in the interface. Seems to be something in a
configuration file on the server.

Note: I always took the pain to write my links with that BBcode
to
make it more lean but this issue quite defeats the point.

Thanks.
Hagar

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Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

[Hagar Delest]

Thanks Bidouille. That's the way I took.
I changed the settings in the ACP.

Before:
BBCode usage = [rel={LOCAL_URL}]{TEXT1}[/rel]
HTML replacement = {TEXT1}

Now:
BBCode usage = [rel={TEXT1}]{TEXT2}[/rel]
HTML replacement = href="https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/{TEXT1}";>{TEXT2}


Not very elegant since it defeats the point of the LOCAL_URL. But at 
least it works.


Hagar

Le 26/01/2023 à 11:00, Bidouille a écrit :

[rel] is not a standard BBcode
It would take someone with enough karma to go modify it in the ACP.

- Mail original -

De: "Hagar Delest" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Mercredi 25 Janvier 2023 21:54:28
Objet: Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

Hi,

I saw that there was some improvement with the Italian forum.
If someone could fix this one too, that would be great.
TIA.

Hagar

Le 05/10/2022 à 20:15, Hagar Delest a écrit :

Hi,

I noticed the [rel] BBcode tag started to work again a short while
ago. But today, I had the Firefox security warning again (on my
xubuntu machine).
I noticed that the url being parsed is
https://forum.openoffice.org//en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166 for
example with 2 slashes after the forum.openoffice.org string.
Any change recently that could have given this glitch?

Hagar

Le 31/05/2022 à 18:55, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi Hagar,

I’ve asked Infra to make some changes to how the
user.services.openoffice.org domain is handled.

Currently it is an alias (CNAME) for forum.openoffice.org. We are
changing it into a redirect from another server.

Once that is done we will see if this just fixes itself or if a
restart and cache clearance is required.


On May 30, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Hagar Delest

wrote:

Hi (Dave),

There is a problem at least in the EN forum with links made with
the
[rel] BBcode tag.
The base url seems to have reverted to
"https://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/"; instead of
"https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/";.
The consequence is that there is no redirection but an error
message
from the browser (tested with Firefox on Xubuntu 22.04 only),
stating that there may be a security risk following that link
(translation from my French error message).
It used to worked after the migration (it needed a tweak
however).

I checked in the admin panel of the phpBB interface but I've not
found any string in the interface. Seems to be something in a
configuration file on the server.

Note: I always took the pain to write my links with that BBcode
to
make it more lean but this issue quite defeats the point.

Thanks.
Hagar

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Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

I saw that there was some improvement with the Italian forum.
If someone could fix this one too, that would be great.
TIA.

Hagar

Le 05/10/2022 à 20:15, Hagar Delest a écrit :

Hi,

I noticed the [rel] BBcode tag started to work again a short while 
ago. But today, I had the Firefox security warning again (on my 
xubuntu machine).
I noticed that the url being parsed is 
https://forum.openoffice.org//en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166 for 
example with 2 slashes after the forum.openoffice.org string.

Any change recently that could have given this glitch?

Hagar

Le 31/05/2022 à 18:55, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi Hagar,

I’ve asked Infra to make some changes to how the 
user.services.openoffice.org domain is handled.


Currently it is an alias (CNAME) for forum.openoffice.org. We are 
changing it into a redirect from another server.


Once that is done we will see if this just fixes itself or if a 
restart and cache clearance is required.


On May 30, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Hagar Delest  
wrote:


Hi (Dave),

There is a problem at least in the EN forum with links made with the 
[rel] BBcode tag.
The base url seems to have reverted to 
"https://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/"; instead of 
"https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/";.
The consequence is that there is no redirection but an error message 
from the browser (tested with Firefox on Xubuntu 22.04 only), 
stating that there may be a security risk following that link 
(translation from my French error message).

It used to worked after the migration (it needed a tweak however).

I checked in the admin panel of the phpBB interface but I've not 
found any string in the interface. Seems to be something in a 
configuration file on the server.


Note: I always took the pain to write my links with that BBcode to 
make it more lean but this issue quite defeats the point.


Thanks.
Hagar

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Re: Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

I noticed the [rel] BBcode tag started to work again a short while ago. 
But today, I had the Firefox security warning again (on my xubuntu machine).
I noticed that the url being parsed is 
https://forum.openoffice.org//en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=166 for 
example with 2 slashes after the forum.openoffice.org string.

Any change recently that could have given this glitch?

Hagar

Le 31/05/2022 à 18:55, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi Hagar,

I’ve asked Infra to make some changes to how the user.services.openoffice.org 
domain is handled.

Currently it is an alias (CNAME) for forum.openoffice.org. We are changing it 
into a redirect from another server.

Once that is done we will see if this just fixes itself or if a restart and 
cache clearance is required.


On May 30, 2022, at 1:01 PM, Hagar Delest  wrote:

Hi (Dave),

There is a problem at least in the EN forum with links made with the [rel] 
BBcode tag.
The base url seems to have reverted to "https://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/"; 
instead of "https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/";.
The consequence is that there is no redirection but an error message from the 
browser (tested with Firefox on Xubuntu 22.04 only), stating that there may be 
a security risk following that link (translation from my French error message).
It used to worked after the migration (it needed a tweak however).

I checked in the admin panel of the phpBB interface but I've not found any 
string in the interface. Seems to be something in a configuration file on the 
server.

Note: I always took the pain to write my links with that BBcode to make it more 
lean but this issue quite defeats the point.

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Forums: BBcode for [rel] links broken

[Hagar Delest]

Hi (Dave),

There is a problem at least in the EN forum with links made with the 
[rel] BBcode tag.
The base url seems to have reverted to 
"https://user.services.openoffice.org/en/forum/"; instead of 
"https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/";.
The consequence is that there is no redirection but an error message 
from the browser (tested with Firefox on Xubuntu 22.04 only), stating 
that there may be a security risk following that link (translation from 
my French error message).

It used to worked after the migration (it needed a tweak however).

I checked in the admin panel of the phpBB interface but I've not found 
any string in the interface. Seems to be something in a configuration 
file on the server.


Note: I always took the pain to write my links with that BBcode to make 
it more lean but this issue quite defeats the point.


Thanks.
Hagar

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Re: [IMPORTANT] Scheduling Maintenance for our Forum

[Hagar Delest]

Le 05/05/2022 à 01:06, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Maintenance on the Forums is completed!

The Forums are now at phpBB 3.3.7 which was released March 17, 2023. The prior 
version was 3.0.9 released July 10, 2011.

Very, very happy. Future updates should be much easier.

Indeed, you can be happy!
Thanks for the work, the migration went pretty smoothly, user point of view.

Hagar

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Re: The AOO forums have not worked for several days.

[Hagar Delest]

Kudos to the team indeed!

Hagar

Le 22/04/2022 à 16:15, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi -

Credit for the forums coming back also goes to several members of the ASF 
Infrastructure team who helped in shielding the server.

I am pushing forward with the new box today. Thanks to everyone who offered to 
help we’ll be answering those emails …

All The Best,
Dave


On Apr 22, 2022, at 4:47 AM, casa...@email.it wrote:

I confirm that now everything is back to work.
Thanks to those who intervened.

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Da: casa...@email.it
A: "dev" 
Cc: "oooforum" 
Inviato: Giovedì, 21 aprile 2022 9:22:19
Oggetto: Re: The AOO forums have not worked for several days.

We do not know who is the person who has the command keys of all the forums.

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Da: casa...@email.it
A: "dev" , "oooforum" 
Inviato: Giovedì, 21 aprile 2022 9:20:03
Oggetto: Re: The AOO forums have not worked for several days.

It seems that no one who has read your report is able to do anything.

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Da: "Bidouille" 
A: "dev" 
Inviato: Giovedì, 21 aprile 2022 8:34:37
Oggetto: Re: The AOO forums have not worked for several days.

This morning (since France), no access to ooo-forum3-vm.apache.org 
[54.84.201.130]
An issue report has been opened here:
https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-23156
No news so I suggest you to append your comment.

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De: casa...@email.it
À: "dev" 
Envoyé: Jeudi 21 Avril 2022 07:51:11
Objet: Re: The AOO forums have not worked for several days.

The situation continues not to improve, normal navigation is
impossible.
Anyone know who to call to make things right?

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Da: "Larry Gusaas" 
A: "dev" 
Inviato: Mercoledì, 20 aprile 2022 20:18:29
Oggetto: Re: The AOO forums have not worked for several days.

On 2022-04-20 12:05 p.m., Larry Gusaas wrote:

On 2022-04-20 10:50 a.m., Rory O'Farrell wrote:

On Wed, 20 Apr 2022 18:28:22 +0200 (CEST)
casa...@email.it  wrote:


The AOO forums have not worked for several days.
Is there anyone here who can do something?
As administrator of the Italian forum I can't log in, the
connection times out.
I have no different access to the forum.

charlie

They are very intermittent, sometimes working, more frequently
timing out.  Out of
curiosity, please try a traceroute to forum.openoffice.org, which
might show up if there was
a connection problem on the route(s) to that site.

It was reported that the server had been restarted, so the problem
may be elsewhere.


Not opening here


Finally opened after very long wait. Pages extremely slow loading or
get message the server
isn't responding.

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Re: OpenOffice 4.1.10 crashes when loading .odm file

[Hagar Delest]

OMG, this list still doesn't know about the tutorial...
See: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=12426

Hagar

Le 07/08/2021 à 00:14, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :
  


-Original Message-
From: Matthias Seidel [mailto:matthias.sei...@hamburg.de]
Sent: Friday, August 06, 2021 11:11 PM
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: OpenOffice 4.1.10 crashes when loading .odm file

Hi,

Maybe it is "just" a corrupt AOO profile?

Unfortunately I don't know how (where) to rename it on macOS...

with the help of this file (sorry, only in german) you can determine the 
appropriate directory:
http://de.openoffice.info/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=68255#p270033


Jörg


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Re: Login

[Hagar Delest]

Le 04/07/2021 à 19:11, Hagar Delest a écrit :
Well, that's strange, the EN-forum account was deactivated with the 
reason: Profile details changed. Not sure what is the root cause. 
Maybe you've tried to change something and without confirmation the 
system has deactivated your account.


Anyway I've reactivated your account, it should be fine now.

Hagar

Le 04/07/2021 à 00:06, Neil Murphy a écrit :
I am told by the web site that my userid has been suspended. It does 
not say how to reach the administrator. So would you please 
re-instate me?

neilhmurphy at neilhmur...@outlook.com
For the record, after some exchanges with OP (everything fine now): he 
tried to change his mail but did not check his spam folder, where the 
notification landed.
I guess that without any confirmation from the user, the forum system 
just deactivated the account.
The problem is that it seems that accounts deactivated are not 
searchable by mail address in the database (I found the account by 
browsing the inactive users).


Hagar

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Re: Login

[Hagar Delest]

Well, that's strange, the EN-forum account was deactivated with the 
reason: Profile details changed. Not sure what is the root cause. Maybe 
you've tried to change something and without confirmation the system has 
deactivated your account.


Anyway I've reactivated your account, it should be fine now.

Hagar

Le 04/07/2021 à 00:06, Neil Murphy a écrit :

I am told by the web site that my userid has been suspended. It does not say 
how to reach the administrator. So would you please re-instate me?
neilhmurphy at neilhmur...@outlook.com




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Re: Introduction and online presence

[Hagar Delest]

I've limited the quotes because they have been really bad in the 
previous messages. Please take care when you want to quote someone else.


Le 26/02/2021 à 02:19, Dean.Webber a écrit :
It was mostly "purely emotional" of the original forum user in their 
response, and I agree that "It is difficult to argue with them". I 
will try to gently educate the users that it is not of concern (at 
this stage) and to stay calm 😉 AOO will be 64bit at some stage 🙂🙂

- Dean


Could you please explain???
I understand you're saying that forum users are emotional and they 
spread false information like MS would drop 32bit support.
I don't remember any power user saying such things. We are hardly 
emotional in the forum, we have taken great care to avoid all the 
trolling and the FUD in all the AOO/LO topics (not that many BTW).
The forum has been a long time champion of AOO (over LO). I think that 
the old subscribers on this list know me (as Hagar on forums and AOO 
mailing lists). Some other forum power users also participate to this 
list from time to time and I don't think "it is difficult to argue with" 
us. Your patronizing is rather ill placed.


Personally, I despise what happened with the forking. I continued to 
support AOO a very long time. However, late last year, the level of this 
very mailing list reached a low that was the trigger for me. More energy 
was wasted on semantics or futile topics, some of the messages in this 
very discussion still show delicate interactions. Thus, I tried LO, 
something I would never have though of before. Just to see. And 
actually, it's good. After several weeks of testing for my production 
work, I can tell that it's better than AOO, it made me save times, ease 
my daily work and is stable.


When it forked, I thought that it would be a great experience for the 
opensource community. Just look at the result years afterward: LO has 
embarked most of the developers! They started from nothing, compared to 
the Apache branding and they managed a marketing plan that got it where 
it is: included in most GNU/Linux distros, corporate support...


I'm still stunned by how many users still don't know about LO and come 
to AOO first. This is the only thing that makes AOO still alive IMHO. 
The AOO project benefits from the huge OOo and Apache 
reputation/history. But I fear that's all.


Can' wait for your gentle education BTW!

Hagar

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Re: Broken link on forum.openoffice.org

[Hagar Delest]

Thanks for the information.
We usually do not update such post, especially when +10 years old.
However, since you took the pain to write the list about that, I've 
added your link in the post.


Hagar

Le 09/02/2021 à 18:02, Emily Moore a écrit :

I noticed that you have a broken link to a website called Vixy.net. That
site was first published way back in 2006 but unfortunately, it is no
longer a working website.

You link to Vixy on this page:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7694

We recently published an article that explains what happened to the
site.  I think it's an interesting story, and it could be useful to your
readers.

Here's the article if you want to take a look:
https://www.videoproc.com/resource/what-happened-to-vixy.htm

Would you consider swapping out the broken link for our article?

Cheers,
Emily

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Re: Open Office Writer

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

AOO can open .docx but cannot save in that format. LibreOffice can however.
Basically, if you need to exchange documents in .docx, then stick to MS 
Office, that's the vendor lock-in policy.


Beware, you're not subscribed to the list. You may miss other replies.

Hagar

Le 25/12/2020 à 17:43, Gert Beumer a écrit :

Hello all,

I downloaded version 4.1.8 of Apache Open office, but I still can’t open .docx 
documents. Open Office failed every time.
Am I forced to buy MS Office?

met vriendelijke groet
Gert Beumer
Gossaertstraat 4
3961 VL  Wijk bij Duurstede
e-mail: g.j.beu...@planet.nl
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Re: Writer and .docx

[Hagar Delest]

Top posting.
I fully agree with Pedro.
The MS Office OOXML support is a core question for the project IMHO.
I think that the success of LO is heavily based on OOXML support. It 
provides users something they believe is a clone of MS Office (or at 
least good enough to meet their needs and exchange docx/xlsx/pptx with 
other users).


But it is very detrimental to ODF because if it works so well for users 
using OOXML, then why bother with another format (ODF)???


By the way, our company just upgraded from MS Office 2010 to 2016 and it 
is quite a nightmare with many documents needing readjustments due to 
changes in the OOXML version it seems (it provides again a 
"compatibility mode").
Meaning that their own format is very likely to change again and again, 
making it always difficult for the other applications to catch up with 
the changes.


The best method to work with OOXML is to buy MS Office. Why not focusing 
on improving AOO first?
If people do need the OOXML export, then they will all switch to LO. If 
a AOO user base remains, then better improve AOO for them.


Even if AOO had a very good import/export filter, since it has less 
features anyway, what would be the point exactly?


Hagar

Le 17/10/2020 à 15:33, Pedro Lino a écrit :

Hi Andrew


On 10/17/2020 1:37 PM Andrew Pitonyak  wrote:
(1) Sometimes contractually obligated to deliver some products in DOCX format. 
I am pretty good at knowing what things will export properly to DOCX format and 
which will not (just because I have done it often enough). Only once have I had 
a client (it was government DoD) that would accept (and even required) and ODT 
file.

Then you are a very valuable person for helping in fixing these Import/Export 
issues
I always send documents in Open Document (to EU, ICCAT, etc) and they will not 
refuse it ;)



(2) Frequently exchange documents with clients that will use/require DOCX.

I usually save them in DOC and I haven't had complaints. In the cases where 
formatting is lost, then I have to switch to Windows 7 and an old copy of MS 
Office 2010 and even so there are issues sometimes (but I refuse to continually 
buy the new version that MS is pushing). I don't use LibreOffice for that 
because there is also format loss (sometimes even content loss)


(3) I frequently work with people who are better off not having to deal with 
the extra steps of converting between formats.

That is indeed an obstacle. But using DOC, XLS and PPT usually solves the 
problem. In fact I think that MS old formats have become the lingua franca of 
the office documents ;)


All else being equal, if you fall into the categories above, I usually tell 
them to use LibreOffice because it will natively support reading and writing 
DOCX format. When I ask people why they chose LibreOffice over Apache 
OpenOffice, DOCX support is the reason usually listed.

Yes, that is indeed one advantage. But as I mentioned before, there are serious 
glitches when using MS XML formats in LibreOffice and in addition this will 
help Microsoft make their format the standard. And I believe that is the wrong 
option.

Many governments and organizations have accepted Open Document as a solution to 
be free from proprietary formats. The reason they can't switch to it is because 
all PCs are loaded with Windows and Office... And MS Office will only accept 
without warnings ODF documents created and edited in MS Office...

I do not have a solution for this profit based bullying but accepting to use MS 
XML formats is becoming part of the problem and not part of the solution...

Regards,
Pedro

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Re: AOO418-RC2: General Error on opening files on Ubuntu

[Hagar Delest]

Same for me with your files.
I tried with some of my own files, same issue (.ods and .odt). It seems 
to apply to many of my files, maybe all of them.
When I try to save as, I get an Error saving the document... But seems 
to save anyway. If I open that new file, I still get the general error 
message but loads fine. Then it saves OK but still gives the error 
message when loaded.

On my xubuntu 20.04 64bit system.
.odg and .odp open file.

Hagar

Le 10/10/2020 à 16:30, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

One correction:

The spreadsheet shows "Not all attributes could be read" on opening.

Regards,

    Matthias

Am 10.10.20 um 12:26 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi all,

With AOO418-RC2 I get "General Error" messages when opening some files
on Ubuntu 16.04 (64-bit).
After dismissing the error message the files open correctly.

One of them is digitally signed and the other is a simple spreadsheet.
You can download them from here:

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/vnvlqyw25hh9v85/AABCWjCaTpGIvB9H074hraB7a?dl=0

Can anyone confirm?

Regards,

    Matthias





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Re: Critical issue on forum.openoffice.org and Google Search

[Hagar Delest]

Le 19/05/2020 à 16:10, Peter Kovacs a écrit :

Try:

'text lines are overwriting margins' site:forum.openoffice.org


For me this removes the did not find any results message.



No luck.
Either with " or '.

Hagar



Am 19.05.20 um 11:22 schrieb Hagar Delest:

Le 19/05/2020 à 08:35, Peter Kovacs a écrit :
what is your search string? I do not get the line that Google has no 
hits.

The string is the one in the thread in the forum:
"text lines are overwriting margins" site:forum.openoffice.org

The result page says (in French):
No result found for...
Then it says:
Results for... (without quotes)
And a list of topics from the forum but no match for the exact string 
of course.


I've posted a screenshot in the forum: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=102021&p=492807#p492807


Hagar



Am 18.05.20 um 22:20 schrieb Hagar Delest:

Hi Peter,

I noticed that Google provides hits nevertheless. But the first 
line does tell that there are no hits with the specified string.


Hagar

Le 18/05/2020 à 18:48, Peter Kovacs a écrit :
Im am already at it. It worked for me so far. I get search 
results.Maybe it has to do with the cache.


Not sure.

Am 18.05.20 um 18:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:44:42 +0100
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:


On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:41:09 +0200
Peter Kovacs  wrote:


Okay, I had a short debug session with Dave and Humbedooh.

We are now sure that the crawlers are not blocked. The 301 
Response
comes from the fact that Yandex still defaults to http and not 
https.


This post on User Forum might be relevant
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=102021#p492756 



Rory

More detailed examination today shows that
Google search in French seems to drop out six days ago, in 
Italian five days ago, and in English about 23rd April - try a 
search for openoffice and the site specifier


See the above URL for details.

Rory



After I added https toi the URL all worked fine.

Wave did also do a curl request which also worked fine.


We have agreed now that I play the ball back to google, with the
feedback that this looks like a Google internal issue.

The Robot.txt has not been changed for 11 years. Yandex can 
crawl the
URL and we can curl the Webpage. So we think it is an Google 
Issue.



I very much appreciated the quick session. Thanks.


all the Best

Peter

Am 12.05.20 um 17:24 schrieb Dave Fisher:

It’s not an IP Ban. Infra tells me that would not be a 301.

Ah-ha - here is the 301:

% curl -D headers http://forum.openoffice.org/


301 Moved Permanently

Moved Permanently
The document has moved href="https://forum.openoffice.org/";>here.



Surprising that they cannot shift from HTTP to HTTPS via a 301!

Regards,
Dave

On May 12, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Dave Fisher  
wrote:


Information about Infra IP Bans is here: 
https://infra.apache.org/infra-ban.html


Please direct the Google engineer to that resource.

Regards,
Dave

On May 12, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Dave Fisher  
wrote:


Are you sure you weren’t using forums.openoffice.org instead 
of forum.openoffice.org?


curl -D headers https://forum.openoffice.org/ does return 
the correct page.


The robots.txt is this:

curl -D headers https://forum.openoffice.org/robots.txt
User-agent: *
Crawl-delay: 1
Disallow: /en/forum/common.php
Disallow: /en/forum/config.php
Disallow: /en/forum/con.php
Disallow: /en/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /en/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /en/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /en/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /en/forum/report.php
Disallow: /en/forum/search.php
Disallow: /en/forum/style.php
Disallow: /en/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /en/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /en/forum/adm
Disallow: /en/forum/cache
Disallow: /en/forum/docs
Disallow: /en/forum/files
Disallow: /en/forum/images
Disallow: /en/forum/includes
Disallow: /en/forum/language
Disallow: /en/forum/store
Disallow: /en/forum/styles
Disallow: /es/forum/common.php
Disallow: /es/forum/config.php
Disallow: /es/forum/con.php
Disallow: /es/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /es/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /es/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /es/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /es/forum/report.php
Disallow: /es/forum/search.php
Disallow: /es/forum/style.php
Disallow: /es/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /es/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /es/forum/adm
Disallow: /es/forum/cache
Disallow: /es/forum/docs
Disallow: /es/forum/files
Disallow: /es/forum/images
Disallow: /es/forum/includes
Disallow: /es/forum/language
Disallow: /es/forum/store
Disallow: /es/forum/styles
Disallow: /fr/forum/common.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/config.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/con.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/report.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/search.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/style.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/adm
Disallow: /fr/forum/cache
Disallow: /fr/forum/d

Re: Critical issue on forum.openoffice.org and Google Search

[Hagar Delest]

Le 19/05/2020 à 08:35, Peter Kovacs a écrit :

what is your search string? I do not get the line that Google has no hits.

The string is the one in the thread in the forum:
"text lines are overwriting margins" site:forum.openoffice.org

The result page says (in French):
No result found for...
Then it says:
Results for... (without quotes)
And a list of topics from the forum but no match for the exact string of 
course.


I've posted a screenshot in the forum: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=102021&p=492807#p492807


Hagar



Am 18.05.20 um 22:20 schrieb Hagar Delest:

Hi Peter,

I noticed that Google provides hits nevertheless. But the first line 
does tell that there are no hits with the specified string.


Hagar

Le 18/05/2020 à 18:48, Peter Kovacs a écrit :
Im am already at it. It worked for me so far. I get search 
results.Maybe it has to do with the cache.


Not sure.

Am 18.05.20 um 18:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:44:42 +0100
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:


On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:41:09 +0200
Peter Kovacs  wrote:


Okay, I had a short debug session with Dave and Humbedooh.

We are now sure that the crawlers are not blocked. The 301 Response
comes from the fact that Yandex still defaults to http and not 
https.


This post on User Forum might be relevant
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=102021#p492756 



Rory

More detailed examination today shows that
Google search in French seems to drop out six days ago, in Italian 
five days ago, and in English about 23rd April - try a search for 
openoffice and the site specifier


See the above URL for details.

Rory



After I added https toi the URL all worked fine.

Wave did also do a curl request which also worked fine.


We have agreed now that I play the ball back to google, with the
feedback that this looks like a Google internal issue.

The Robot.txt has not been changed for 11 years. Yandex can crawl 
the

URL and we can curl the Webpage. So we think it is an Google Issue.


I very much appreciated the quick session. Thanks.


all the Best

Peter

Am 12.05.20 um 17:24 schrieb Dave Fisher:

It’s not an IP Ban. Infra tells me that would not be a 301.

Ah-ha - here is the 301:

% curl -D headers http://forum.openoffice.org/


301 Moved Permanently

Moved Permanently
The document has moved href="https://forum.openoffice.org/";>here.



Surprising that they cannot shift from HTTP to HTTPS via a 301!

Regards,
Dave


On May 12, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Information about Infra IP Bans is here: 
https://infra.apache.org/infra-ban.html


Please direct the Google engineer to that resource.

Regards,
Dave


On May 12, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Are you sure you weren’t using forums.openoffice.org instead 
of forum.openoffice.org?


curl -D headers https://forum.openoffice.org/ does return the 
correct page.


The robots.txt is this:

curl -D headers https://forum.openoffice.org/robots.txt
User-agent: *
Crawl-delay: 1
Disallow: /en/forum/common.php
Disallow: /en/forum/config.php
Disallow: /en/forum/con.php
Disallow: /en/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /en/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /en/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /en/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /en/forum/report.php
Disallow: /en/forum/search.php
Disallow: /en/forum/style.php
Disallow: /en/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /en/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /en/forum/adm
Disallow: /en/forum/cache
Disallow: /en/forum/docs
Disallow: /en/forum/files
Disallow: /en/forum/images
Disallow: /en/forum/includes
Disallow: /en/forum/language
Disallow: /en/forum/store
Disallow: /en/forum/styles
Disallow: /es/forum/common.php
Disallow: /es/forum/config.php
Disallow: /es/forum/con.php
Disallow: /es/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /es/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /es/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /es/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /es/forum/report.php
Disallow: /es/forum/search.php
Disallow: /es/forum/style.php
Disallow: /es/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /es/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /es/forum/adm
Disallow: /es/forum/cache
Disallow: /es/forum/docs
Disallow: /es/forum/files
Disallow: /es/forum/images
Disallow: /es/forum/includes
Disallow: /es/forum/language
Disallow: /es/forum/store
Disallow: /es/forum/styles
Disallow: /fr/forum/common.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/config.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/con.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/report.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/search.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/style.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/adm
Disallow: /fr/forum/cache
Disallow: /fr/forum/docs
Disallow: /fr/forum/files
Disallow: /fr/forum/images
Disallow: /fr/forum/includes
Disallow: /fr/forum/language
Disallow: /fr/forum/store
Disallow: /fr/forum/styles
Disallow: /fr/ci-joint
Disallow: /hu/forum/common.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/config.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/con.php
Disal

Re: Critical issue on forum.openoffice.org and Google Search

[Hagar Delest]

Hi Peter,

I noticed that Google provides hits nevertheless. But the first line 
does tell that there are no hits with the specified string.


Hagar

Le 18/05/2020 à 18:48, Peter Kovacs a écrit :
Im am already at it. It worked for me so far. I get search 
results.Maybe it has to do with the cache.


Not sure.

Am 18.05.20 um 18:22 schrieb Rory O'Farrell:

On Mon, 18 May 2020 15:44:42 +0100
Rory O'Farrell  wrote:


On Tue, 12 May 2020 17:41:09 +0200
Peter Kovacs  wrote:


Okay, I had a short debug session with Dave and Humbedooh.

We are now sure that the crawlers are not blocked. The 301 Response
comes from the fact that Yandex still defaults to http and not https.


This post on User Forum might be relevant
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=102021#p492756 



Rory

More detailed examination today shows that
Google search in French seems to drop out six days ago, in Italian 
five days ago, and in English about 23rd April - try a search for 
openoffice and the site specifier


See the above URL for details.

Rory



After I added https toi the URL all worked fine.

Wave did also do a curl request which also worked fine.


We have agreed now that I play the ball back to google, with the
feedback that this looks like a Google internal issue.

The Robot.txt has not been changed for 11 years. Yandex can crawl the
URL and we can curl the Webpage. So we think it is an Google Issue.


I very much appreciated the quick session. Thanks.


all the Best

Peter

Am 12.05.20 um 17:24 schrieb Dave Fisher:

It’s not an IP Ban. Infra tells me that would not be a 301.

Ah-ha - here is the 301:

% curl -D headers http://forum.openoffice.org/


301 Moved Permanently

Moved Permanently
The document has moved href="https://forum.openoffice.org/";>here.



Surprising that they cannot shift from HTTP to HTTPS via a 301!

Regards,
Dave


On May 12, 2020, at 8:04 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Information about Infra IP Bans is here: 
https://infra.apache.org/infra-ban.html


Please direct the Google engineer to that resource.

Regards,
Dave


On May 12, 2020, at 7:55 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Are you sure you weren’t using forums.openoffice.org instead of 
forum.openoffice.org?


curl -D headers https://forum.openoffice.org/ does return the 
correct page.


The robots.txt is this:

curl -D headers https://forum.openoffice.org/robots.txt
User-agent: *
Crawl-delay: 1
Disallow: /en/forum/common.php
Disallow: /en/forum/config.php
Disallow: /en/forum/con.php
Disallow: /en/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /en/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /en/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /en/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /en/forum/report.php
Disallow: /en/forum/search.php
Disallow: /en/forum/style.php
Disallow: /en/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /en/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /en/forum/adm
Disallow: /en/forum/cache
Disallow: /en/forum/docs
Disallow: /en/forum/files
Disallow: /en/forum/images
Disallow: /en/forum/includes
Disallow: /en/forum/language
Disallow: /en/forum/store
Disallow: /en/forum/styles
Disallow: /es/forum/common.php
Disallow: /es/forum/config.php
Disallow: /es/forum/con.php
Disallow: /es/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /es/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /es/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /es/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /es/forum/report.php
Disallow: /es/forum/search.php
Disallow: /es/forum/style.php
Disallow: /es/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /es/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /es/forum/adm
Disallow: /es/forum/cache
Disallow: /es/forum/docs
Disallow: /es/forum/files
Disallow: /es/forum/images
Disallow: /es/forum/includes
Disallow: /es/forum/language
Disallow: /es/forum/store
Disallow: /es/forum/styles
Disallow: /fr/forum/common.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/config.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/con.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/report.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/search.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/style.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /fr/forum/adm
Disallow: /fr/forum/cache
Disallow: /fr/forum/docs
Disallow: /fr/forum/files
Disallow: /fr/forum/images
Disallow: /fr/forum/includes
Disallow: /fr/forum/language
Disallow: /fr/forum/store
Disallow: /fr/forum/styles
Disallow: /fr/ci-joint
Disallow: /hu/forum/common.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/config.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/con.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/mcp.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/memberlist.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/posting.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/report.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/search.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/style.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/ucp.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/viewonline.php
Disallow: /hu/forum/adm
Disallow: /hu/forum/cache
Disallow: /hu/forum/docs
Disallow: /hu/forum/files
Disallow: /hu/forum/images
Disallow: /hu/forum/includes
Disallow: /hu/forum/language
Disallow: /hu/forum/store
Disallow: /hu/forum/styles
Disallow: /ja/forum/common.php
Disallow: /ja/forum/config.php
Disallow: /ja/forum/con.php
Disallow: /ja/forum/faq.php
Disallow: /ja/forum/mcp.php

Re: Fwd: Critical issue on forum.openoffice.org and Google Search

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Maybe Andrea can help.
Forum admins don't have the karma for that.

Hagar

Le 11/05/2020 à 21:33, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

Hi Kay,

Am 11.05.20 um 21:23 schrieb Kay Schenk:

Hi Peter...

Since I am a Google Search admin for www.openoffice.org, and
openoffice.apache.org, I got this also. Disclaimer: I have not done
ANY work with the Google Search apis on these sites in quite some time.

I actually was NOT aware forum.openoffice.org was set up to use Google
Search until I saw this.

I think, I added it to the list when we had a discussion about outdated
information regarding SourceForge found by Google Search.

But I don't have access to forum.openoffice.org, so I could never
complete the step.

Regards,

    Matthias


One of the Google Search admins for forum.openoffice.org could check
the current Google search apis that are in use on that site. Changes
are occasionally made to the calls, and maybe that is the issue, or a
robots.txt for that site is causing this. I don't think it requires a
response, but maybe some investigation.

Just some ideas...

Regards,

Kay


On 5/11/20 6:02 AM, Peter Kovacs wrote:

Hi all,

I have received following mail. Probably because I am listed in the
google-Analytics page.

Does this has some action items? What can we answer Mr John Mueller?


All the Best

Peter



 Weitergeleitete Nachricht 
Betreff: Critical issue on forum.openoffice.org and Google Search
Datum: Mon, 11 May 2020 13:37:27 +0200
Von: John Mueller 
An: morsei...@gmail.com, kay.sch...@gmail.com, legi...@gmail.com



Dear webmaster of forum.openoffice.org 

I'm an analyst at Google in Switzerland. We wanted to bring your
attention to a critical issue with your website, and how it's
available for Google's web search.

In particular, Googlebot has been unable to crawl URLs from
https://forum.openoffice.org/ . This will cause those pages to drop
out of Google's search results, and will prevent new pages from being
picked up for Search. If you're not aware of this issue, you may be
accidentally blocking these pages from Google Search due to a server
issue. If you need to block Googlebot from crawling pages on your
website, we'd recommend using the robots.txt file instead.

Should you need to recognize IP addresses of Googlebot requests, you
can use a reverse IP lookup to do so:
https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/80553

Should you have any questions, feel free to contact me directly. For
verification purposes, we are sending a copy of this message to your
site's Search Console account.

Thank you,
John Mueller (joh...@google.com )
Webmaster Trends Analyst





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Re: AOO 4.2 and OpenSymbol font

[Hagar Delest]

Le 25/01/2020 à 00:52, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

Hi Marcus,

Am 25.01.20 um 00:41 schrieb Marcus:

I've no idea about how font are working. Wasn't there a helpful user
with a fixed font or similar in the forums?

Yes, that was an older version of OpenSymbol "hacked" as a workaround.

But I fear that he gave up after all these years...

Matthias


I think this is it:
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=67772#p381378

With links to the 2 bug reports (just for the record):
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=125982
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=124203

Hagar

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Re: Forums OpenOffice very slow

[Hagar Delest]

Still slow today.

Hagar

Le 17/01/2020 à 08:50, Bidouille a écrit :

Slowness still occurs randomly.
Somebody to take care this issue?


- Mail original -

De: "Dave Fisher" 
À: "Chris Lambertus" 
Cc: ooofo...@free.fr, in...@apache.org
Envoyé: Mardi 14 Janvier 2020 03:48:20
Objet: Re: Forums OpenOffice very slow

With my AOO hat, the forums were good a few hours ago.

Chris I know from Slack that there were Infra issues with LDAP at
this time along with lots of EMail Spam.

The Forums do use Infra’s MySQL server, in retrospect how was this
server doing during these service issues?

Best Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 13, 2020, at 6:33 PM, Chris Lambertus 
wrote:

Infra does not maintain these systems. Please contact the AOO
project.



On Jan 13, 2020, at 6:06 AM, Bidouille  wrote:

Hello,
Since this morning, forums are very slw.
I don't know if this comes from HTTP/PHP or MySQL.
Maybe restart all services?



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Re: volunteer activity tracking

[Hagar Delest]

Le 20/11/2019 à 09:33, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :
for example: At first glance, activity is activity, but I think there 
is a certain difference between the activity of people who only work 
in the project because they are paid for it by companies and people 
who work in the project out of their own interest.
I don't understand the point. If he someone is paid to work on the 
project, at least he produces something. Why would it be considered less 
than the energy put by someone contributing of his own? What if the guy 
is paid AND he likes what he does?


If there was any 3rd party influence, that would mean that at least 
someone is trying to steer the project with some agenda. According to 
the development level of the project, I'm not sure we should be afraid 
about that, or should we?


Let's be realistic and work on the problems instead of preventing 
hypothetical wrong use of the instances.


Hagar (EN Forum moderator)
Not a developer, just admiring those remaining on the project.

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Re: Odp: Re: Forum

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Your username is not ramrob but: nielot
Once you have your username and your mail (nielot...@o2.pl as found out by 
Rory), then you can use the form to reset your password.

Hagar

Le 16/08/2019 à 18:01, R R a écrit :

Thanks for the help.   I already know my login ( ramrob) .   Greetings  Dnia 16 sierpnia 2019 17:55 Rory O'Farrell 
 napisał(a):  On Fri, 16 Aug 2019 14:28:42 +0100  Rory O'Farrell  wrote:   On Fri, 16 
Aug 2019 13:49:23 +0200  R R  wrote:   > Witam Państwa. Jestem userem na forum  forum.openoffice.org 
forum.openoffice.org  zarejestrowałem się przy użyciu adresu   nie...@o2.pl  Chciałbym zmienić hasło, bo je zapomniałem. Nie pamiętam jednak pod jakim 
loginem się zarejestrowałem. Proszę o podanie mi tego na email z którego się rejestrowałem. Pozdrawiam   No member registered from that email address - 
just now checked.   --  Rory O'Farrell    After a more meticulous search (and inspiration) I think registration of 
this user was on 14 July 2013 at 16:42, username nielot, from email nielot...@o2.pl.  No posts registered to that user.   Note the spelling 
"nielOt" not "nielEt" (no capital letter used in the actual name).   --  Rory O'Farrell 






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Re: Login

[Hagar Delest]

OP sent a mail to the admin address and I provided the username, which he 
confirmed he received.

Hagar

Le 05/02/2019 à 14:49, Wolf Halton a écrit :

If you remember the email you used to create the account, you should be able to 
use it to request a password refresh. If you cannot remember that, think back 
to something you remember commenting on and search the site for that topic. If 
you have never asked a question or commented, try creating a new user account.

Small Business Strategic Security Mastermind https://WolfHalton.com


On Feb 5, 2019, at 05:46, William O'Brien  wrote:

Hi,
  I know this is a trivial matter but I have been searching for someone to 
contact regarding my openoffice forum 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/ucp.php?mode=sendpassword website.  I 
have forgotten both userid and password and am trying to find a way I can get 
them reset.  Is there any way you can help?

Thank you.

Bill O’Brien
Sent from Mail for Windows 10


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Re: Forum Migration Status

[Hagar Delest]

Le 03/12/2018 à 23:37, Dave Fisher a écrit :

(4) Can we resurrect support for the ZH language instance?

As long as there is no volunteer to moderate the forum, it's not worth it IMHO.

Hagar

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Re: Forum Migration Status

[Hagar Delest]

+1, many thanks, that way much better!
Did the daily usual things and everything went smoothly.

Hagar

Le 30/11/2018 à 20:37, F C. Costero a écrit :

Hi Dave,
Thanks for your efforts! The en forum is significantly faster than it has
bee recently
Best regards,
Francis

On Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 10:54 AM Dave Fisher  wrote:


Migration has completed.

The IP address has changed and it may take up to 15 minutes from now for
the DNS change to propagate to you.

Regards,
Dave



On Nov 30, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Hi -

Migration is started.

Regards,
Dave


On Nov 29, 2018, at 6:50 PM, Dave Fisher  wrote:

Hi -

The forums will be down from 9AM - 11AM PST (17:00-19:00 UTC) for VM

switchover.

Regards,
Dave


On Nov 27, 2018, at 3:33 PM, Dave Fisher 

wrote:

Hi Hagar and forum users/admins,

https://forum-test.openoffice.org/ <https://forum-test.openoffice.org/

(1) Attempt to use newest phpBB 3.2.4 which works with php 7. I’ve

examined the code and it looks right.

I dug further and language packs for Hungarian and Japanese are not

available. I think that we need to look into this carefully before we
migrate to 3.2.4.

Also, new have subsilver2 theme installed. It does not look like we

use it, but it is not offered for 3.2.4. We will need to do more careful
testing of all of the language forums.



(2) If (1) is difficult then we will downgrade to php 5.

I chose to have Infra downgrade PHP to version 5.6. Thanks Chris

(fluxo)!

(3) Sync up from current forums.

Synced up files, avatars and databases. I will need two hours to do

this either late Thursday or early Friday.

(4) Add warning about migration downtime to current production.

I think you did this sufficiently.



(5) Create a blocking httpd configuration for during the migration

I think I will just stop apache httpd.

(6) Community Testing.

Please start testing!

Regards,
Dave


On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Hagar Delest 
<mailto:delest.ha...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Top posting

Hi Dave,

Thanks, that sounds a good plan, especially providing a plan B!
I've added you as admin for both English forums (standard and test

boards).

I've sent you by PM (in the regular forum) the list of the native

language admins.

I'll try to monitor the list and the forum more closely during

daytime (France time) in the next few days, just in case.

Note that acknak has also admin rights on the board, he's in the US.

Hagar

Le 27/11/2018 à 04:12, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi -

Further status and plan.

The remaining issues involve phpBB 3.0.9 use of a function

deprecated in php 5 and absent in php 7.

(0) Given information requested in the last email.

Tomorrow -

(1) Attempt to use newest phpBB 3.2.4 which works with php 7. I’ve

examined the code and it looks right.

(2) If (1) is difficult then we will downgrade to php 5.

(3) Sync up from current forums.

(4) Add warning about migration downtime to current production.

(5) Create a blocking httpd configuration for during the migration

Wednesday

(6) Request community testing

Friday

(7) Perform migration.

Regards,
Dave


On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Dave Fisher 
<mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net><mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net >> wrote:

Hi Hagar / Forum Admins,

We must do a forum migration to new VMs by Friday, November 30th.

It turns out that many of the errors we had in June testing are due

to incompatibilities between PHP 7 and phpBB 3.0.x and 3.1.x. Specifically
BBCodes use a php method that is no longer supported in PHP 7.

In order for me to better perform the migration I need you to grant

my ID (dave2wave) full admin rights on both the current production and also
forum test.

Also, please provide to me the email addresses to each forums

admins so that I can provide any setup instructions.

I am in the San Francisco area and will be online by 16:00 UTC.

Regards,
Dave


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Re: Forum Migration Status

[Hagar Delest]

Top posting

Hi Dave,

Thanks, that sounds a good plan, especially providing a plan B!
I've added you as admin for both English forums (standard and test boards).
I've sent you by PM (in the regular forum) the list of the native language 
admins.

I'll try to monitor the list and the forum more closely during daytime (France 
time) in the next few days, just in case.
Note that acknak has also admin rights on the board, he's in the US.

Hagar

Le 27/11/2018 à 04:12, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi -

Further status and plan.

The remaining issues involve phpBB 3.0.9 use of a function deprecated in php 5 
and absent in php 7.

(0) Given information requested in the last email.

Tomorrow -

(1) Attempt to use newest phpBB 3.2.4 which works with php 7. I’ve examined the 
code and it looks right.

(2) If (1) is difficult then we will downgrade to php 5.

(3) Sync up from current forums.

(4) Add warning about migration downtime to current production.

(5) Create a blocking httpd configuration for during the migration

Wednesday

(6) Request community testing

Friday

(7) Perform migration.

Regards,
Dave


On Nov 26, 2018, at 4:10 PM, Dave Fisher mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net>> wrote:

Hi Hagar / Forum Admins,

We must do a forum migration to new VMs by Friday, November 30th.

It turns out that many of the errors we had in June testing are due to 
incompatibilities between PHP 7 and phpBB 3.0.x and 3.1.x. Specifically BBCodes 
use a php method that is no longer supported in PHP 7.

In order for me to better perform the migration I need you to grant my ID 
(dave2wave) full admin rights on both the current production and also forum 
test.

Also, please provide to me the email addresses to each forums admins so that I 
can provide any setup instructions.

I am in the San Francisco area and will be online by 16:00 UTC.

Regards,
Dave
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Re: Linux icon changes in 4.1.6

[Hagar Delest]

Le 13/11/2018 à 23:02, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

Hagar Delest wrote:

Are you talking about the desktop panel? I use Xubuntu (18.10 on 64bit) and I 
do see the Writer/Calc/... icons, not the orb.


I see the difference more or less in every context where an icon is associated 
with the window in GNOME (so Xubuntu may be different).

So for example:
- in the bottom bar listing open windows (if you have it)
- in the top bar next to the title of the active window
- in the Alt-Tab dialog to switch windows see https://imgur.com/a/EM3yTpU where 
both 4.1.6 and 4.1.5 were open on an empty Writer document.

This is not a bug, even though one might want to mention it in the Release 
Notes as a minor UI change.


In XFCE (Xubuntu), I see:
- Each application icon in the Alt+Tab dialog (no orb and Writer and Calc icons 
if I have such documents open)
- Each application icon in the desktop panel, side by side, with no orb.
So there was no change with XFCE.

Hagar

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Re: Linux icon changes in 4.1.6

[Hagar Delest]

Le 13/11/2018 à 21:54, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

This is not necessarily a bug, but I'd like to check on this: on Linux-64 (I 
haven't tried on other systems), if you are editing a file in Writer you'll get 
two different toolbar icons in 4.1.5 and 4.1.6.

Comparison screenshot: https://imgur.com/a/wtNhT9k

In short:
- 4.1.5 (left): the Writer icon is shown
- 4.1.6 (right): the generic ("orb") icon is shown

Was this done on purpose? I believe the old ones are more informative, as it 
usually happens to have, say, a Writer and a Calc document open at the same 
time.

If your system does not come with a bottom toolbar, you will still notice the 
difference in the top toolbar by switching between the two instances.

On the other hand, the new high-resolution icons look really nice, as I already 
noted.

Regards,
  Andrea.


Are you talking about the desktop panel? I use Xubuntu (18.10 on 64bit) and I 
do see the Writer/Calc/... icons, not the orb.

Hagar

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Re: [vote] OpenOffice Release Candidate 4.1.6 RC1

[Hagar Delest]

Le 09/11/2018 à 17:39, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

Hi Jim,

Am 08.11.18 um 16:42 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

Could we/Should we have some of us tweet that 4.1.6-RC1 is available and "ask" 
people to try it out...?

I posted it on Google+ a while ago...

Regards,

    Matthias


Posted in the English forum also. Sorry for the late action.

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Re: All forums down

[Hagar Delest]

Indeed, thanks!

Hagar

Le 28/09/2018 à 22:43, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi Hagar,

Quick maintenance. It should be good now.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 28, 2018, at 4:08 PM, Hagar Delest  wrote:

Hi,

I may have missed a message about a maintenance but all the forums are down 
with the same error message:

General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Access denied for user 'forumaoouser'@'140.211.11.67' (using password: YES) 
[1045]

An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator 
if this problem persists.


Just occurred few seconds ago. Did work fine just before.

Hagar

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All forums down

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

I may have missed a message about a maintenance but all the forums are down 
with the same error message:

General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Access denied for user 'forumaoouser'@'140.211.11.67' (using password: YES) 
[1045]

An sql error occurred while fetching this page. Please contact an administrator 
if this problem persists.


Just occurred few seconds ago. Did work fine just before.

Hagar

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Re: [Call for testing] Linux icons 128x128

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Le 18/09/2018 à 12:43, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

I have now installed Xubuntu 18.04.1 in a VM and can confirm that the
icons look good with XFCE.
Nevertheless, I can't get them higher than 64x64 on the desktop. But
that is another issue and can be solved later...

Regards,
    Matthias

With the 4.1.6 build, I can't get the AOO icons in 128 size either. The other 
icons are correctly increased, including some non standard applications but not 
all of them (Gramps for example is not scaled).

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Re: [Call for testing] Linux icons 128x128

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Le 15/09/2018 à 12:29, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

Correction:

That error has been discussed before, it has to do with the icons (they
are simply copied over)...

sholud be:

That error has been discussed before, it has *nothing* to do with the icons 
(they
are simply copied over)...

Regards,

    Matthias


Hi,

Thanks for the pointer. Sorry, I admit I don't read in detail all the messages 
from the list.
Rory has confirmed it works on XFCE, I use the same environment.

Thanks to Pedro, the comparison is crystal clear, that's much better.

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Re: [Call for testing] Linux icons 128x128

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Le 15/09/2018 à 11:21, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

Hi all,

I called for testing two month ago... :-0

*If* enough people test it, we would have a chance to include it in 4.1.6.

So if you are still interested in having nice icons in the next release,
please download a build from here:
https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux64/
https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/linux32/

Test it on every Linux desktop manager you can get your hands on! ;-)
And *please* give feedback!

Regards,
    Matthias

There was an error during the installation 
(Apache_OpenOffice_4.2.0_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US_2018-09-12_16_19_52_1840718.tar.gz)
Package in error: openoffice-core01_4.2.0-1_amd64.deb (--install)
belonging to openoffice-gnome-integration 4.1.6-1
Then in a terminal after soffice command: /opt/openoffice4/program/soffice.bin: 
error while loading shared libraries: libucbhelper4gcc3.so: cannot open shared 
object file: No such file or directory

Reverted to the 4.1.6 build that was installed (4.1.6-9790)...

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Re: [Call for testing] Linux icons 128x128

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Le 10/09/2018 à 23:20, Rory O'Farrell a écrit :
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 16:31:12 -0400
> Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>
>> That should be fixed by now...
>
> Downloading now for me.  Try again, Hagar.
>
> Rory

Thanks, up and running. No big change with XFCE.
Tried the big icons on the desktop but forgot to check with 4.1.5 :-(

Hagar

>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 3:58 PM, Hagar Delest  wrote:
>>>
>>> I get that error:
>>>
>>> You don't have permission to access 
>>> /~jim/AOO-builds/4.1.6-dev-r1840476/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.6_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gzon
>>>  this server.
>>>
>>> Hagar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 10/09/2018 à 19:54, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:30:13 -0400
>>>>> Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Give me until the end-of-the day and I'll provide one...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lang pref?
>>>>> English (GB) or English (US) - not important.
>>>>>
>>>> They will be available in:
>>>>
>>>>http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/4.1.6-dev-r1840476/
>>>>
>>>> in ~1hr. Uploading as we speak.
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Re: [Call for testing] Linux icons 128x128

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I get that error:

You don't have permission to access 
/~jim/AOO-builds/4.1.6-dev-r1840476/en-US/Apache_OpenOffice_4.1.6_Linux_x86-64_install-deb_en-US.tar.gzon
 this server.

Hagar



Le 10/09/2018 à 19:54, Jim Jagielski a écrit :
>
>> On Sep 10, 2018, at 1:20 PM, Rory O'Farrell  wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 12:30:13 -0400
>> Jim Jagielski  wrote:
>>
>>> Give me until the end-of-the day and I'll provide one...
>>>
>>> Lang pref?
>> English (GB) or English (US) - not important.
>>
> They will be available in:
>
> http://home.apache.org/~jim/AOO-builds/4.1.6-dev-r1840476/
>
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Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

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Hi,

Any news? I thought it would have been migrated last week.

Hagar

Le 27/06/2018 à 23:23, Hagar Delest a écrit :

For the record, the custom search on the landing page works on the test forum 
(it is broken since a while on the current page).

Some other comments here also: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=94047
Problem with special characters in the password and sorting no applied (seems 
to affect several features requiring a sorting).

Hagar

Le 25/06/2018 à 21:56, Hagar Delest a écrit :

I tried a search with "spell*" keyword and got the following error when display 
results as topics (works fine as posts), no author specified:
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.u.username_clean' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_users u, phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) 
AGAINST ('+spell ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND u.user_id = t.topic_poster AND 
t.topic_id = p.topic_id ORDER BY u.username_clean ASC LIMIT 250

BACKTRACE

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 163
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 205
CALL: dbal_mysqli->sql_query()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/dbal.php
LINE: 170
CALL: dbal_mysqli->_sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
LINE: 472
CALL: dbal->sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/search.php
LINE: 508
CALL: fulltext_mysql->keyword_search()


If I add an author, I get a slightly different one:
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.u.username_clean' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_users u, phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) 
AGAINST ('+spell* ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND u.user_id = t.topic_poster AND 
t.topic_id = p.topic_id AND p.forum_id NOT IN (5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 18, 
19, 20, 21, 25, 29, 30, 39, 40, 42, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 60, 
61, 62, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, 90, 
91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107) AND 
p.poster_id IN (62, 54431) ORDER BY u.username_clean ASC LIMIT 250

BACKTRACE

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 163
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 205
CALL: dbal_mysqli->sql_query()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/dbal.php
LINE: 170
CALL: dbal_mysqli->_sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
LINE: 472
CALL: dbal->sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/search.php
LINE: 508
CALL: fulltext_mysql->keyword_search()

Note: in both cases, the wildcard * leads to the same result.

Hagar

Le 25/06/2018 à 17:15, Reizinger Zoltán a écrit :

Hi Dave,
Another problems:

The filters on forums not working:
Go to "View your posts" try to filter it. The filters not working in HU, EN 
forum
Zoltan

2018.06.25. 13:33 keltezéssel, Reizinger Zoltán írta:

Hi Dave,

I run some test, on HU forum. I tried to create new post. I meet same isse as 
Hagar, can not post.

Allways get the error, independently from post text lenght:

Your message contains too few characters.

My tests were on HU and EN forum, same errors.

Thanks,
Zoltan


2018.06.22. 21:18 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta:

Hi -

The new Forum VM is ready for testing at https://forum-test.openoffice.org/

The data on this update to date to roughly Noon EDT. 17:00 UTC.

Please make sure that you can do all the usual activity.

If all goes well this phase of testing will end on Tuesday at Noon EDT.

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Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

[Hagar Delest]

For the record, the custom search on the landing page works on the test forum 
(it is broken since a while on the current page).

Some other comments here also: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=94047
Problem with special characters in the password and sorting no applied (seems 
to affect several features requiring a sorting).

Hagar

Le 25/06/2018 à 21:56, Hagar Delest a écrit :

I tried a search with "spell*" keyword and got the following error when display 
results as topics (works fine as posts), no author specified:
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.u.username_clean' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_users u, phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) 
AGAINST ('+spell ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND u.user_id = t.topic_poster AND 
t.topic_id = p.topic_id ORDER BY u.username_clean ASC LIMIT 250

BACKTRACE

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 163
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 205
CALL: dbal_mysqli->sql_query()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/dbal.php
LINE: 170
CALL: dbal_mysqli->_sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
LINE: 472
CALL: dbal->sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/search.php
LINE: 508
CALL: fulltext_mysql->keyword_search()


If I add an author, I get a slightly different one:
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.u.username_clean' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_users u, phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) 
AGAINST ('+spell* ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND u.user_id = t.topic_poster AND 
t.topic_id = p.topic_id AND p.forum_id NOT IN (5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 18, 
19, 20, 21, 25, 29, 30, 39, 40, 42, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 60, 
61, 62, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, 90, 
91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107) AND 
p.poster_id IN (62, 54431) ORDER BY u.username_clean ASC LIMIT 250

BACKTRACE

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 163
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 205
CALL: dbal_mysqli->sql_query()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/dbal.php
LINE: 170
CALL: dbal_mysqli->_sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
LINE: 472
CALL: dbal->sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/search.php
LINE: 508
CALL: fulltext_mysql->keyword_search()

Note: in both cases, the wildcard * leads to the same result.

Hagar

Le 25/06/2018 à 17:15, Reizinger Zoltán a écrit :

Hi Dave,
Another problems:

The filters on forums not working:
Go to "View your posts" try to filter it. The filters not working in HU, EN 
forum
Zoltan

2018.06.25. 13:33 keltezéssel, Reizinger Zoltán írta:

Hi Dave,

I run some test, on HU forum. I tried to create new post. I meet same isse as 
Hagar, can not post.

Allways get the error, independently from post text lenght:

Your message contains too few characters.

My tests were on HU and EN forum, same errors.

Thanks,
Zoltan


2018.06.22. 21:18 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta:

Hi -

The new Forum VM is ready for testing at https://forum-test.openoffice.org/

The data on this update to date to roughly Noon EDT. 17:00 UTC.

Please make sure that you can do all the usual activity.

If all goes well this phase of testing will end on Tuesday at Noon EDT.

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Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

[Hagar Delest]

I tried a search with "spell*" keyword and got the following error when display 
results as topics (works fine as posts), no author specified:
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.u.username_clean' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_users u, phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) 
AGAINST ('+spell ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND u.user_id = t.topic_poster AND 
t.topic_id = p.topic_id ORDER BY u.username_clean ASC LIMIT 250

BACKTRACE

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 163
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 205
CALL: dbal_mysqli->sql_query()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/dbal.php
LINE: 170
CALL: dbal_mysqli->_sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
LINE: 472
CALL: dbal->sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/search.php
LINE: 508
CALL: fulltext_mysql->keyword_search()


If I add an author, I get a slightly different one:
General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.u.username_clean' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_users u, phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) 
AGAINST ('+spell* ' IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND u.user_id = t.topic_poster AND 
t.topic_id = p.topic_id AND p.forum_id NOT IN (5, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 18, 
19, 20, 21, 25, 29, 30, 39, 40, 42, 44, 45, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 60, 
61, 62, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76, 82, 83, 84, 85, 87, 88, 90, 
91, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 102, 103, 104, 105, 106, 107) AND 
p.poster_id IN (62, 54431) ORDER BY u.username_clean ASC LIMIT 250

BACKTRACE

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 163
CALL: dbal->sql_error()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/mysqli.php
LINE: 205
CALL: dbal_mysqli->sql_query()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/db/dbal.php
LINE: 170
CALL: dbal_mysqli->_sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/includes/search/fulltext_mysql.php
LINE: 472
CALL: dbal->sql_query_limit()

FILE: x1/var_lib_phpBB/com309/search.php
LINE: 508
CALL: fulltext_mysql->keyword_search()

Note: in both cases, the wildcard * leads to the same result.

Hagar

Le 25/06/2018 à 17:15, Reizinger Zoltán a écrit :

Hi Dave,
Another problems:

The filters on forums not working:
Go to "View your posts" try to filter it. The filters not working in HU, EN 
forum
Zoltan

2018.06.25. 13:33 keltezéssel, Reizinger Zoltán írta:

Hi Dave,

I run some test, on HU forum. I tried to create new post. I meet same isse as 
Hagar, can not post.

Allways get the error, independently from post text lenght:

Your message contains too few characters.

My tests were on HU and EN forum, same errors.

Thanks,
Zoltan


2018.06.22. 21:18 keltezéssel, Dave Fisher írta:

Hi -

The new Forum VM is ready for testing at https://forum-test.openoffice.org/

The data on this update to date to roughly Noon EDT. 17:00 UTC.

Please make sure that you can do all the usual activity.

If all goes well this phase of testing will end on Tuesday at Noon EDT.

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Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

You can ask for that in this part of the forum: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewforum.php?f=102
I've tweaked your account, you should be able to post directly.

Hagar

Le 23/06/2018 à 17:55, Алексей Евгеньевич Харламенков a écrit :

I registered.

My nickname: a.harlamenkov

In which section of the forum is it correct to open a topic about the opening 
of the Russian forum?

Sincerely, Dr. h. c.,
Alexey Evgenievich Kharlamenkov

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Forums landing page: Chinese forum to be removed

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

The Chinese forum was removed 2 years ago and the link is still on the landing 
page (https://forum.openoffice.org/), leading to a 404 error.
Could someone either remove the link or change the page to something saying the 
forum is closed?

Thanks
Hagar

Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Le 23/06/2018 à 00:06, Dave Fisher a écrit :

It looks like the posts with missing content have quote callouts. I’ll have to 
dig into these.

Indeed, good catch.
The [quote] and [code] BBCode have the same effect.
The [edit] and [rel] BBCode do not show up but they do not blank the whole post.
BBCode for bold works fine.


I can't submit posts, perhaps it's linked, I get the blank message area with the error 
message: "Your message contains too few characters." Maybe the test database is 
read only.


I did an mysqldump and then ran the sql on the new sql server. I’ll need to 
dig. It could be a version issue PHP and MySQL are upgraded. I may have to jump 
on the upgrade to phpBB as this could be related.


PHP version looks still quite old in the admin panel of the test forum.



If you cn try to see if the other forums work that would be great.

I can't but I've sent a global message to all the Native Language admins, 
asking them to test their board and report any problem to the dev list.

Regards,
Hagar

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Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

[Hagar Delest]

Hi Aleksey,

The opening of a forum is not an easy thing. Basically we need to have a core 
team ready to perform the admin and moderation tasks required to prevent spam 
and sustain a good level of support to users.

I propose you register the English forum and open a discussion for that.

Regards
Hagar

Le 23/06/2018 à 16:08, Алексей Евгеньевич Харламенков a écrit :

Dave! good afternoon.

Thank you for your reply.

I'm also a volunteer.
Earlier I actively participated in the project. I signed an agreement with SUN about the 
transfer of rights and my name was in OpenOffice.org 2.x-3.x About - CTRL + SDT: 
"Alexey Harlamenkov".

I created a wiki section: https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/RU
Wiki / RU rules are coordinated with wiki administrators: 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/RU/rules

I wrote "The philosophy of OpenOffice.org": 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/RU/kb/philosophy
Many years passed and I'm not ashamed of my work.

Now I again have time, which I can invest in the project.

My name is for some reason not on the list of volunteers: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Directory+of+Volunteers

Can I recover as a full participant in the project? - What documents do I need 
to sign? What procedure?
How to register correctly on the forum? https://forum-test.openoffice.org OR 
https://forum.openoffice.org ?
Where can I read the rules?

My qualification: QA - Automated Testing, Manual Testing; Interoperability; 
User Support - forums, wiki, Tutorials, Training; Community Development; User; 
User Documentation - Author, Editor; Distribution; l10n (RU); Install.

Sincerely, Dr. h. c.,
Aleksey Evgenievich Harlamenkov

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Re: [FORUMS] Please test forums

[Hagar Delest]

Hi Dave,

First, the responsiveness is back with this configuration, that's great!

I've tried several admin and moderator tasks and it seems OK on the English 
forum (post moderation approval, post edition, user profile edit, topic move).

However I saw is that some posts are shown empty. If I edit the post I see the 
text in the message area but when I try to submit, it becomes blank and empty 
(but I managed to edit one as stated above).
For example, compare these 2 identical threads:
- https://forum-test.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=61238
- https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=61238

I can't submit posts, perhaps it's linked, I get the blank message area with the error 
message: "Your message contains too few characters." Maybe the test database is 
read only.

Hagar


Le 22/06/2018 à 21:18, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi -

The new Forum VM is ready for testing at https://forum-test.openoffice.org/

The data on this update to date to roughly Noon EDT. 17:00 UTC.

Please make sure that you can do all the usual activity.

If all goes well this phase of testing will end on Tuesday at Noon EDT.

Regards,
Dave

Re: Google search KO on forum landing page

[Hagar Delest]

Le 03/03/2018 à 22:58, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

What did the custom search do? Simply open a Google search limited to the Forum domain? 
Or did it do something else? My fear is that we will have to recreate it, but I'm not 
sure how it used to work. In the case this turns out to be the simplest option, will 
"a Google search limited to the forum domain" be enough as a re-implementation? 
This is probably a fairly straightforward configuration so it shouldn't take long if we 
fix it this way.

Thanks Andrea.
Yes, I think that the settings were explained in this post: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=102&t=49161#p225128
But if it is limited to the forum(s) only, that would be good enough.

Hagar

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Google search KO on forum landing page

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

For the record, there is a google custom search field on the forum landing 
page: https://forum.openoffice.org/
It now returns:
Unauthorized access to internal API. Please refer to 
https://support.google.com/customsearch/answer/4542055
-> https://support.google.com/customsearch/answer/4542055?hl=en
It seems that there is a code snippet to be used.

Can someone help?

Thanks
Hagar

Re: ooo-forums downtime

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Thanks for the bug fix related to the search by topics, this is a great news.

The forum still lags compared to before the server switch.
Have tried to clean the cookies but no change.

Hagar


Le 10/01/2018 à 18:48, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

On 10/01/2018 Greg Stein wrote:> status.apache.org reports services that are 
*down*, rather than individual

bugs/problems.


Just to be clear, we had two different issues here:

1. Some advanced search options broke due to incompatibility with the new SQL 
server (and this is fixed, which is great). This is indeed just a bug.

2. Forum being offline (no DB connection, error on all pages). This is 
equivalent to the service being down.

I wasn't able to see issue 2 either, so it probably lasted just for a very 
short period. But I think we all agree that monitoring should catch this, at 
least when it extends for several minutes (not necessarily this case).

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: openoffice.org slowness

[Hagar Delest]

OK, sorry, I focused on the time thing only.
Indeed if someone can have a look on the system load, just in case. Thanks.

Hagar

Le 07/01/2018 à 21:31, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

Hagar Delest wrote:

For the record, I think that the forums (or at least the English one) are also 
less responsive. Maybe due to the server change.


I'm not sure it's the same problem. The problem being discussed here is not 
about the site being responsive, but about something like: I open 
http://it.openoffice.org and nothing happens for a few minutes (since the first 
DNS times out), but then it loads (since it switches to the second DNS entry) 
and from then on I can continue browsing at ordinary speed until I close my 
browser.

If what you see on the forum is more like every page load being a little slower 
than usual, then it must be a different problem. Yes, Infra recently changed 
the SQL server. But this shouldn't have an impact on performance, unless the 
new server is really too small. If you believe this could be the case, we can 
Infra to monitor the system load on the new server to be sure.

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Re: openoffice.org slowness

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

For the record, I think that the forums (or at least the English one) are also 
less responsive. Maybe due to the server change.

Hagar

Le 05/01/2018 à 20:53, Dave Fisher a écrit :

Hi -

There have been a couple of reports of slowness on OpenOffice.org 
 over the holidays.

I’ve looked at this for other subdomains than openoffice.org 
. Take a look at the way Infra configures DNS servers 
and how clients are selecting which server to access. At least in my case my Mac or 
Airport Express is choosing a random one of two vs. the “closest”. This needs a 
little more investigation before bringing it to Infra. If you have experienced issues 
then let me know when, what you are getting when you measure latency, what operating 
system, and, if you are on your home or corporate network,

I am used traceroute, nslookup and dig (not shown).

Daves-MacBook-Pro:foundation davewave$ traceroute www.openoffice.org 

*traceroute: Warning: www.openoffice.org  has 
multiple addresses; using 140.211.11.105*
traceroute to www.openoffice.org  (140.211.11.105), 
64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1 192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.618 ms  0.892 ms  0.753 ms
 2 96.120.88.133 (96.120.88.133)  12.497 ms  15.631 ms 13.140 ms
 3 be-10002-sur03.windsor.ca.sfba.comcast.net 
 (68.85.217.153) 15.743 ms  22.678 ms  
16.216 ms
 4 68.85.57.33 (68.85.57.33)  15.722 ms  13.270 ms  14.071 ms
 5 hu-0-18-0-2-ar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 
 (68.85.154.49) 20.640 ms
hu-0-18-0-7-ar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 
 (68.85.154.121) 19.266 ms
hu-0-18-0-0-ar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 
 (68.85.154.57) 19.212 ms
 6  * * *
 7 ae-1-51.edge2.seattle3.level3.net  
(4.69.147.139) 33.508 ms  36.710 ms  34.288 ms
 8 ae-1-51.edge2.seattle3.level3.net  
(4.69.147.139) 33.860 ms  39.032 ms  33.844 ms
 9 university.edge2.seattle3.level3.net 
 (4.59.234.70) 41.122 ms  48.191 
ms  41.447 ms
10 ptck-p2-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.170) 42.250 ms
ptck-p1-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.168) 41.272 ms
ptck-p2-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.170) 40.652 ms
11 corv-p1-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.25) 49.420 ms
corv-p2-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.27) 51.384 ms
corv-p1-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.25) 44.897 ms
12 corv-car1-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.17) 51.578 ms
corv-car1-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.19) 43.226 ms
corv-car1-gw.nero.net  (207.98.64.17) 42.365 ms
13 themis.apache.org  (140.211.11.105) 41.674 ms  
43.522 ms  46.291 ms
Daves-MacBook-Pro:foundation davewave$ nslookup www.openoffice.org 

Server:192.168.1.1
Address:192.168.1.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:www.openoffice.org 
Address: 140.211.11.105
Name:www.openoffice.org 
Address: 88.198.26.2

See the IP Addresses and if they are on the same continent as you when you have 
trouble. See if the trace route has high latency.

Here are a couple of other domains so you can see the difference.


Daves-MacBook-Pro:foundation davewave$ nslookup felix.apache.org 

Server:192.168.1.1
Address:192.168.1.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:felix.apache.org 
Address: 195.154.151.36
Name:felix.apache.org 
Address: 140.211.11.105

Daves-MacBook-Pro:foundation davewave$ nslookup openoffice.apache.org 

Server:192.168.1.1
Address:192.168.1.1#53

Non-authoritative answer:
Name:openoffice.apache.org 
Address: 195.154.151.36
Name:openoffice.apache.org 
Address: 140.211.11.105

Daves-MacBook-Pro:foundation davewave$ traceroute openoffice.apache.org 

*traceroute: Warning: openoffice.apache.org  has 
multiple addresses; using 195.154.151.36*
traceroute to openoffice.apache.org  
(195.154.151.36), 64 hops max, 52 byte packets
 1  192.168.1.1 (192.168.1.1)  1.063 ms  1.200 ms  0.999 ms
 2  96.120.88.133 (96.120.88.133)  22.144 ms  13.075 ms  15.708 ms
 3  be-10002-sur03.windsor.ca.sfba.comcast.net 
 (68.85.217.153) 91.124 ms  38.341 ms  
15.470 ms
 4  68.85.57.33 (68.85.57.33)  15.444 ms  18.691 ms  15.896 ms
 5  hu-0-18-0-4-ar01.santaclara.ca.sfba.comcast.net 
 (68.85.154

Re: ooo-forums downtime

[Hagar Delest]

Note: same for the other languages (Italian anf French tested).

The DISTINCT 3065 thing seems a common one:

In French forum:
Erreur générale
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_fr.t.topic_last_post_time' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

And in Italian:
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_it.t.topic_last_post_time' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

Hagar


Le 04/01/2018 à 21:33, Hagar Delest a écrit :

Hi,

Since the move, we noticed that when performing an advanced search that should 
display the results as topics, then we get an error:

General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.t.topic_last_post_time' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) AGAINST ('+solved ' 
IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND t.topic_id = p.topic_id ORDER BY t.topic_last_post_time 
DESC LIMIT 250

The same search is fine when set to display results as posts.

Could you have a look please?
Thanks

Hagar


Le 04/01/2018 à 03:30, Chris Lambertus a écrit :

On Jan 1, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Chris Lambertus  wrote:

Hi folks,

At 0100 UTC on Thursday January 4th, I will be moving the OpenOffice PHPBB 
forum databases to a new server. The forums will be offline during this 
process, and is expected to take about 2 hours.

-Chris
ASF Infra




Hi all,

This move has been completed. Spot checks on the forums look good.

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Re: ooo-forums downtime

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Since the move, we noticed that when performing an advanced search that should 
display the results as topics, then we get an error:

General Error
SQL ERROR [ mysqli ]

Expression #1 of ORDER BY clause is not in SELECT list, references column 
'forumaoo_en.t.topic_last_post_time' which is not in SELECT list; this is 
incompatible with DISTINCT [3065]

SQL

SELECT DISTINCT SQL_CALC_FOUND_ROWS t.topic_id FROM phpbb_en_topics t, 
phpbb_en_posts p WHERE MATCH (p.post_subject, p.post_text) AGAINST ('+solved ' 
IN BOOLEAN MODE) AND t.topic_id = p.topic_id ORDER BY t.topic_last_post_time 
DESC LIMIT 250

The same search is fine when set to display results as posts.

Could you have a look please?
Thanks

Hagar


Le 04/01/2018 à 03:30, Chris Lambertus a écrit :

On Jan 1, 2018, at 2:24 PM, Chris Lambertus  wrote:

Hi folks,

At 0100 UTC on Thursday January 4th, I will be moving the OpenOffice PHPBB 
forum databases to a new server. The forums will be offline during this 
process, and is expected to take about 2 hours.

-Chris
ASF Infra




Hi all,

This move has been completed. Spot checks on the forums look good.

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Re: Save process and files turned to hashes

[Hagar Delest]

Le 31/07/2017 à 19:09, Patricia Shanahan a écrit :

It would be useful to have a survey of the configurations in which these 
problems happen. Are they associated with specific operating systems? More 
prevalent with network drives?

See: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17677#p81363
Mostly Windows users since it's the most common platform. But some other 
operating systems also.
Very few cases with network drives.

Hagar

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Re: AOO 4.1.3 Ubuntu 16.04 install problems

[Hagar Delest]

There is a tutorial in the forum: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=50119

Hagar

Le 21/07/2017 à 04:04, S M a écrit :

Greetings,
Sorry for having to email you this, I guess there isn't a forum for me to paste 
this too.  I am running on Ubuntu 16.04 LTS and I am attempting to install AOO 
4.1.3 but keep getting hung up on installing soltools where I get the error 
below.  I believe I have the most up to date libraries.  Any ideas on how to 
proceed? THANKS

user@hp-pro-3130:~/aoo-4.1.3/main/instsetoo_native$ build --all
build -- version: 275224


=
Building module solenv
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/solenv

solenv deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'solenv' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 3 files unchanged

=
Building module sane
=
sane deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'sane' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 2 files unchanged

=
Building module unixODBC
=
unixODBC deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'unixODBC' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 6 files unchanged

=
Building module hsqldb
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/hsqldb

hsqldb deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'hsqldb' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 2 files unchanged

=
Building module apr
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/ext_libraries/apr

apr deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'apr' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 46 files unchanged

=
Building module x11_extensions
=
x11_extensions deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'x11_extensions' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 7 files 
unchanged

=
Building module boost
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/boost

boost deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'boost' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 8595 files unchanged

=
Building module mdds
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/mdds

mkout -- version: 1.8
if [ -d ./unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/mdds_0.3.1 ] ; then echo "moving" && mv 
./unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/mdds_0.3.1 ./unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/mdds_0.3.1_removeme ; fi
make writeable...
no patch needed...
mdds deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'mdds' delivered successfully. 10 files copied, 0 files unchanged

=
Building module more_fonts
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/more_fonts/fonts/ttf_croscore

category B licensed CrossCore font is disabled.

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/more_fonts/fonts/ttf_gentium

category B licensed Gentium font is disabled.

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/more_fonts/fonts/ttf_dejavu

more_fonts deliver
deliver -- version: 275594
Module 'more_fonts' delivered successfully. 0 files copied, 26 files unchanged

=
Building module extras
=

Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/computers


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/wizard/desktop/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/layout/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/symbols


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/environment


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/autotext


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/wizard/fax/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/rulers


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/misc_config


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/wizard/letter/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/txtshapes


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/www-back


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/arrows


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/htmlexpo


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/education


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/diagrams


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/palettes


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/unx/source/bitmaps


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/wordbook


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/wizard/styles/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/symbols


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/bullets


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/wizard/bitmap


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/database


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/sounds


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/gallery/gallery_system


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/wordbook/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/autotext/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/source/templates/wizard/report/lang


Entering /home/user/aoo-4.1.3/main/extras/s

Re: Fwd: Problem with Open Office before and after installing new update

[Hagar Delest]

Le 23/05/2017 à 22:44, Rory O'Farrell a écrit :

On Tue, 23 May 2017 22:11:37 +0200
Hagar Delest  wrote:

Le 22/05/2017 à 10:16, Rory O'Farrell a écrit :

On Mon, 22 May 2017 09:57:31 +0200
Peter Kovacs  wrote:

Thanks for the sum up.

Still I think we should find a solution.
So i adf backup at the start of editing session  to the list.

Is there a bug for this?

There certainly ought be, but I cannot point to one.

I think Hagar has remarked on Forum of one instance of spellcheck or file corruption on 
his (work) Windows system, and with great respect, that might be due to a freak close 
down on his part.  In this sort of fault finding the user reports of their actions are 
"unreliable", as they often feel they are being trapped into an admission of 
improper computer use.

In ten years of heavy use  of StarOffice/OO (last years on linux) I have 
experienced file corruption or spellcheck problems on very few occasions, 
caused by unexpected power cuts in storms.  My computer experience goes back to 
1965 (Fortran II on an IBM 1640), so I am aware of the need for system in their 
use,

Rory

There is a bug report for the ### and for the dictionary issue (but the latter 
was closed as fixed).
Never heard of a feature request to have a backup of the 
registrymodification.xcu file. Sounds a good idea but still needs tweaking from 
user to restore the former file.


Hager,

My thoughts on a backup were that the file opened at start of an editing 
session should be backed up, so that in the event that the edited file 
corrupted (the ### problem) the previous version remained available.  It is bad 
enough to lose a session of edits, but how much worse to lose the entire file 
as often occurs with the ### problem  Having regard to the large size of 
current hard disks, I feel that this backup procedure (might it need to be a 
backup of a backup?) should be enabled by default

I thought the backup proposed by Peter was for the registrymodification file. 
After second reading, it was about any file at all. Understood. Of course, that 
should be the standard process.
I think that the new file should be written as a temporary file next to the 
original one and the original deleted and the new one renamed after the system 
has confirmation from the OS that the save is complete.
I think that when saving a file in MS Office, we can see such temporary files 
appear and disappear when saving.


As for the spellcheck corruption, I noticed quite recently that it could be in 
fact a temporary glitch. It happened on a big file (25MB), sometimes all the 
text is underlined and sometimes there is no underline at all (even where there 
should be). This behavior disappear after some time (haven't yet investigated 
what is needed, reboot or Windows session...)

Perhaps such a file is at the limit of what OO can comfortably handle.  I know 
from my own experience that large files can be slow to format correctly, 
depending where in the file the cursor was last positioned.  The formatting 
seems to start at the cursor position and seems to take several passes through 
the file until it stabilises.  The ### problem you report may be an instance of 
this and might have cleared with the stabilisation of the formatting.

As far as I remember, even waiting for a long time doesn't change anything.
No real time to investigate when that file is open but will try to record if 
there is something special.

Hagar


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Re: Fwd: Problem with Open Office before and after installing new update

[Hagar Delest]

Le 22/05/2017 à 10:16, Rory O'Farrell a écrit :

On Mon, 22 May 2017 09:57:31 +0200
Peter Kovacs  wrote:

Thanks for the sum up.

Still I think we should find a solution.
So i adf backup at the start of editing session  to the list.

Is there a bug for this?

There certainly ought be, but I cannot point to one.

I think Hagar has remarked on Forum of one instance of spellcheck or file corruption on 
his (work) Windows system, and with great respect, that might be due to a freak close 
down on his part.  In this sort of fault finding the user reports of their actions are 
"unreliable", as they often feel they are being trapped into an admission of 
improper computer use.

In ten years of heavy use  of StarOffice/OO (last years on linux) I have 
experienced file corruption or spellcheck problems on very few occasions, 
caused by unexpected power cuts in storms.  My computer experience goes back to 
1965 (Fortran II on an IBM 1640), so I am aware of the need for system in their 
use,

Rory

There is a bug report for the ### and for the dictionary issue (but the latter 
was closed as fixed).
Never heard of a feature request to have a backup of the 
registrymodification.xcu file. Sounds a good idea but still needs tweaking from 
user to restore the former file.

As for the spellcheck corruption, I noticed quite recently that it could be in 
fact a temporary glitch. It happened on a big file (25MB), sometimes all the 
text is underlined and sometimes there is no underline at all (even where there 
should be). This behavior disappear after some time (haven't yet investigated 
what is needed, reboot or Windows session...).

Hagar

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Re: Bugzilla

[Hagar Delest]

Le 20/05/2017 à 18:07, Raphael Bircher a écrit :

But companies don't com just to put money in, they want something back 
(normally). SUN and IBM was a big exception. The point is, we are not 
attractive for Companies at the moment. There is no room to make money. We 
should start getting attractive for companies.


The only one I would see is Canonical. But i still don't understand why they 
chose LibO.
What other company would invest money in a MS Office competitor???
In addition to the investment in the development (meaning manpower cost but 
also the time needed to get the equivalent features they already have in MS 
Office), there would also be the training of the users, the migration of the 
existing tools and files (especially macros) and the problem of the format 
interoperability with the people this company deals with.
That's too much for companies to think about it IMHO. Or perhaps Google but 
what for?

Is there any company that invests substantially in LibO BTW (just a question, I 
really don't know)?
When I see all the migrations (mostly to LibO because it's much more dynamic 
and they are good at marketing their project), I just see bodies (often 
administrations) who want to cut costs but without major investment, they just 
take it because it serves their cause but I doubt there is any will to go 
further for them (I mean dedicate manpower to help the project).

I thought when OOo was given to Apache that the licensing would give interest 
to the project for companies but it did not happen at all. Less restrictive 
licensing attracts most of the devs. This is part of the world evolution today 
I guess: people want more free sharing, or at least want to avoid that their 
code can be used for commercial when they give it for free.

So I'm not very optimistic.
Hopefully someone has brighter clues.

Hagar

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Re: Bugzilla

[Hagar Delest]

Le 20/05/2017 à 12:10, Peter Kovacs a écrit :

Our best recruitment base is our user base. The more we use them the tighter 
the link between user and developer gets, the more probable it is we get people.
Community feeling is a strong motivator for doing the right thing.

Well, remember that the user base of applications like AOO is not the same as 
for other more geek-oriented application in OpenSource field. We face mostly 
basic users who wants things done at no cost and with equivalent features to MS 
Office ones for example. They don't have any knowledge nor will to engage very 
far.
According to what we see in the forum, it's rather difficult to even make them 
file a bug report.


And people we have, we lack imho skill. And this we need to build. We need to 
open ways into open office development. Set starting points with view little 
knowledge and need to slowly guide the volunteers to the deeper end of our 
projects.

Currently we don't have roads like I described above, we only have a fast and 
frightening jungle.

Personally, I've very little knowledge of Basic macros (I sometimes 
help/improve macros in the forum) and I'm a fan of AOO but doing code (I mean 
for development) is not in my intention at all, that's too huge a step.
So, yes, quite a frightening jungle.
Let's face it: LibO seems to be doing better to get devs (that's how I see it 
from the outside, I don't know how true it is in reality). So what is the AOO 
plan exactly? I guess that committers want to invest their time in a project 
that has a future so that their own work can last in that project.
Should AOO be focused on stability and robustness (and less on new features)? 
Or should it try to keep up with LibO (at least by implementing features not 
that hard to code and are considered must have in LibO)?...


Getting users to evaluate what is a bug and what is not would be in my eyes a 
huge step forward.

This is something we do in the forum. We help them investigate and we urge them 
to file a report when we can confirm there is indeed a bug (some forum 
volunteers even file the bug themselves when the user is not willing).


Of course the next step would be solving them. But for that we can vote, 
measure or find other ways to promote them

As said in my other message, votes are cast in bugzilla. However, in the forum 
we did see a clear trend: in the past, users bothered to subscribe bugzilla to 
vote. They don't anymore.  They clearly switch to something else (be it LibO or 
MS Office).


Maybe slicing them up in micro jobs would work for some.
Setting up a bazaar another.

I would like to take one step after another.
And only do things we think that they work with people we have.
Because I do believe in that we need to do things in order that people join.

For sure.
What people do see is that there is quite few development and little bug 
solving. It does not help to restore trust in the project.
But again, look at this list: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=17677#p81363
I raised this issue several times on this list and still nothing. Think of how 
users talk about AOO after having lost files that way.
I do know that it is not an easy one but it is the kind of bug that 
definitively damages AOO reputation. Finding the root cause and fixing it (or 
changing the save process to avoid it) would be enough to release a new major 
version. That would send a clear message that the community listen to the users.
For the record, I don't have any skills to help devs. However, we spent some 
time with forum volunteers trying to find a hint, but nothing interesting so 
far.


All the best
Peter

+1.
Hagar

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Re: Bugzilla

[Hagar Delest]

Le 20/05/2017 à 06:23, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :

(a)
We do not have enough developers (ok, we have to see what the future brings)

Well, that's the key point I guess.


(b)
The existing developers work voluntarily and do what they want - how do we get 
them to fix _specific_ bugs?
Please understand what I mean: there are issues (respectively bug reports) that 
are important for the users, but not interesting for the developers. How do we 
motivate developers to work on _these_ issues?

[...]

We could put 50 issues to vote for each release of OO separately and fix the 10 
which get the most votes from users.
By this I do not mean to fix only 10 bugs per release, but the developer's 
willingness to fix 10 specific bugs, which interest the users, in addition to 
fixed, no matter whether the developers keep these bugs important.

Who would cast a vote? Users? I doubt they would engage again in such process. They 
already can vote for bugs. Some have hundreds of votes and nothing is done. What 
"trust" they could have in a new list to vote on? Or it should at least be a 
list of bugs acknowledged to be solvable with the limited resources still at hand.

For the record, in the forum, we tag all the topics that deals with a reported issue, it's easy to spot them, they have the 
[Issue] tag in the topic title and the red flame as icon, see this query: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/search.php?keywords=Issue&terms=all&author=&sc=1&sf=titleonly&sr=topics&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

They key point is IMHO the motivation from free resources (not very 
coordinated). We cannot force people to work on specific bugs. What is at stake 
for devs? Fame? Pair recognition? Drilling by improving something big (AOO) in 
the meantime?
Users point of view, I see 2 key bugs that are too frequent in the users forum:
- Files reduced to ### (may require core code change linked to the save process)
- Dictionary lost (resetting the profile is a mere workaround). The bug was 
closed but I doubt the fix was really one since we still see this very often.

Hagar


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Re: Bugzilla

[Hagar Delest]

Le 19/05/2017 à 13:04, esh1907 a écrit :

IMHO good idea.
Our suite should have a "Report a Bug" in Help menu under "About
OpenOffice".

I don't think such option would be first very visible and second very used.


The average user shouldn't reach a cumbersome platform like Bugzilla to
report a bug.

Perhaps the UI could be simplified but on the other hand, it helps to precisely 
narrow the code involved. And even if the report is not well filled-in, 
volunteers afterward can add details.

For the record, there is a tutorial on the forum: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=74&t=13490

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Re: License status of code from forum.openoffice.org without headers

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Le 16/05/2017 à 23:05, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

Coming back to this (I mean, the redirection is correct as a solution, but I 
wonder why this target): isn't it better to redirect to

https://openoffice.apache.org/terms.html

as per original suggestion? The link is not supposed to explain the OpenOffice 
software license, but the terms of use of the website, so 
https://openoffice.apache.org/terms.html seems more appropriate than 
https://www.openoffice.org/license.html

+1.

Thanks Andrea for the logo, perfect!

Hagar

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Re: Old AOO referencing in Google

[Hagar Delest]

Le 10/05/2017 à 23:21, Marcus a écrit :

So, there must be something special in the kind of seaching that the user is 
doing.


I tried myself (see screenshot in the forum) with the standard search. So 
nothing special at all.



I've deleted the webpage that is mentioned in the result page the user has 
posted in the screenshot. As soon as Google is re-indexing our website I expect 
that this special webpage is recognized as deleted and therefore no longer in 
the search results.

I agree with others that the page itself should be kept to allow the download 
of older versions. But perhaps there are keywords that can be removed to lower 
the relevance for a search.
Or perhaps increase the visibility of the archived & legacy versions (quite 
hidden as a last link at bottom of the additional resources section).

Hagar

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Old AOO referencing in Google

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A user raised this strange result: when performing a Google search with "openoffice 
download", the 3.4.1 version is the 3rd choice, this tends to present the 3.4.1 
version as a not that old one. Is there a way to change that from the AOO site?
See: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=88693

By curiosity, I tried with Bing. The first result is... Office 365! then non 
official sites and the official one in 5th position only.

Yahoo does not show 3.4.1 (even if the results are rather similar to those from 
Bing).

Hagar

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Re: License status of code from forum.openoffice.org without headers

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Le 10/05/2017 à 14:52, Matthias Seidel a écrit :

Until someone fixes the link in the forum I can enable a redirection...
But maybe it should better be https://www.openoffice.org/license.html ?

There is already a redirection from 2012 https://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use.html but it is not 
working, because the forum links to "/terms_of_use" instead to 
"/terms_of_use.html".

Good catch, I remember it was discussed a while ago but had missed that there 
was a glitch in the link.
Of course, it would be better if the link could be updated to the good one 
directly (https://www.openoffice.org/license.html).

Let's wait for someone who can do that (Andrea?).

Thanks,
Hagar

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Re: License status of code from forum.openoffice.org without headers

[Hagar Delest]

Le 16/01/2016 à 22:43, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

Carl Marcum wrote:

On 01/15/2016 07:20 PM, Carl Marcum wrote:

Can code like this be used as-is in an Apache project?
[1] https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2520


Your best option is probably to contact the author and ask him for permission 
to use under the Apache License 2 the code he posted in forum discussions. 
Failing that, it's hard to tell what license applies to that code due to the 
several infrastructure and policy changes over the last 8 years.


I forgot to mention I tried the "Policies and Terms of Use" link on the
main page that linked to [2] and got  404 page not found.
[2] http://www.openoffice.org/terms_of_use


I think that page has moved to https://openoffice.apache.org/terms.html ; can 
somebody confirm it before we update the link in the Forum site footer, please?

Old topic but this should be updated.
Could someone having the karma for the AOO Forum update the link?
Thanks

Hagar

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Re: bonjour,

[Hagar Delest]

Ceci est une liste anglophone.
Soit vous installez le pack de langue français, soit vous réinstallez la 
version française complète.

Beware, you're not subscribed to the list, you may miss other replies.

Hagar


Le 24/03/2017 à 18:27, Hugo Garcia a écrit :

j ai la version espagnol comment fait-on pour mettre la version France
  cdt

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Re: Impress problem on linux?

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Confirmed with AOO 4.1.3 on Xubuntu 16.10.
Tried with a .mpg.

Hagar


Le 03/02/2017 à 20:56, Rory O'Farrell a écrit :

Before I raise an issue on Bugzilla, I would like confirmation of the following 
problem:

Using AOO 4.1.3 running on Xubuntu 16.04.1 I am not able to get Impress to play embedded 
videos.  Any attempt to embed an .avi or an .mpg file is blocked by "The format of 
the selected file is not supported" message and the file will not insert on the 
slide.  The .avi and .mpg files play perfectly using the system video player (Parole) or 
VLC.  From memory this problem occurred with AOO 4.0.0 - I have older presentations 
prepared in 2008 in which these embeddings worked correctly, but such presentations do 
not play in current AOO 4.1.3.  I have tried a number of different .avi and .mpg files, 
all to no avail within Impress.

I have checked using the same multimedia files on AOO 4,1.3 running on Windows 
XP - they work correctly

My workaround is to insert a hyperlink to the .avi/.mpg files, which calls the 
system video player.  This is a bit clunky, but at least the videos get shown.

Would other users please confirm if this problem shows up on other linux 
versions (please indicate linux distro and version) so that I can post as 
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Re: Chromebook Compatibility

[Hagar Delest]

FWD to OP, not subscribed to the list.

Hagar

Le 24/01/2017 à 16:51, FR web forum a écrit :

https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=78706&hilit=chromebook

- Mail original -
De: "Conner Holt" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Mardi 24 Janvier 2017 16:02:52
Objet: Chromebook Compatibility




I’m trying to find out if Open Office will work on the Chromebook OS. If it 
does please let me know. If not it could be a great opportunity to look into 
because Microsoft does not offer any of its suite to Chromebook except the 
online version. There is no way to edit your documents that are local except 
Google Docs which is very basic. I look forward to hearing back from you.



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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

[Hagar Delest]

Le 16/01/2017 à 18:32, esh1907 a écrit :

On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Hagar Delest 
wrote:

So basically, what is the user base? Who should AOO focus on? For a
company I doubt the price of MS Office is really a problem (they negotiate
fees for sure). Since documents are mostly shared in .docx/.xlsx formats,
why bother with applications like AOO/LO that are not fully compatible? Is
there any big player willing to invest in something to compete with MS
Office to avoid buying it? Doesn't seem very likely

Why bother? because we don't want in the future .docy/.xlsy and then
.docz/.xlsz ...
How do you know there is no big player willing to invest?

When I wrote why bother, I was talking as if I were a company. It's not my 
opinion as a user. I doubt that a company would switch to AOO/LO knowing that 
there are issues with intercompatibility.
I don't know for sure that there is no big player but if there had been one, we 
would have known for some time I guess, just after the code was donated to ASF. 
There was some hints on the net IIRC about IBM being interested. But nothing 
happened.
Moreover, just read again Raphael's (1st) mail: There are maybe at the moment 
no big investors,...


So AOO is left with households, perhaps very very small companies and
education sector. I think that AOO should be the simple choice for schools.
It should offer the peace of mind with no license issue, no need of a
package full of features not really needed but sold efficiently by MS. No
need of permanent internet access, just install it locally.
It should say: here is a rock solid application that can prepare
pupils/student to office software. It is not MS Office but there are enough
similarities to make it a good tool to learn. Like your driving license:
you learn on a car but you can buy something (very) different. You just
have to adapt.
If there is something to make clear, it is the effort needed to adapt from
AOO to MS Office. I'm not saying it should be a clone but just make the
transition as smooth as possible, user point of view.

If you think little of AOO - it will be little...

Sorry, don't understand. If I thought little of AOO (meaning it's not very 
powerfull), it would be a huge step on the contrary to adapt to MS Office.


Hagar
PS: can't bear teachers asking my kids to provide homeworks in .docx/.xlsx.

Instead of complaining, why not change that?

For my kids, I try, providing them some rationale to be discussed. I'll raise 
the question also during the meetings between parents and teachers.
For all the students who report that in the forum however, there is no way. 
Just laziness from the teachers.

But reading again some post of this discussion, I'm wondering if we are not off 
topic. I understood 'contribute' not as a money question only. Donating to AOO 
directly is not possible so isn't it a dead end?

The only thing I can think of is to use crowfunding to reward devs fixing major 
issues or implementing new features. Like give $5,000 to the contributor who 
provide the piece of code that fixes the ### issue...
The problem is what happens to the money if no one want to work on it.

Hagar

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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

[Hagar Delest]

Le 14/01/2017 à 11:58, mabdul a écrit :

Believe me: MS doesn't follow Apache OpenOffice any longer as they know
that in the next ~10 years OpenOffice cannot hurt MS. Moreover they have
switched to a subscription based model (Office365) latetly to secure
their userbase and even increase the earned money by monthly/yearly
subscription fees. ("mobile first, cloud first" is their main model now!)

+1.
I think that the situation was different at the beginning (2001-2010). OOo 
moved the lines by supporting ODF. It offered users an alternative to vendor 
lock-in policy. MS Office was also more expansive in those days I think.

Now it's rather different. MS Office (not 365) is not that expansive. The price 
of a low cost smartphone. And let's face it, the MS Office features are way 
ahead of AOO. I use both at work but AOO for a limited part of my work. Calc is 
definitively not viable for work in my case, charting in Excel is really good. 
Even the Calc user interface is not... user friendly.

So basically, what is the user base? Who should AOO focus on? For a company I 
doubt the price of MS Office is really a problem (they negotiate fees for 
sure). Since documents are mostly shared in .docx/.xlsx formats, why bother 
with applications like AOO/LO that are not fully compatible? Is there any big 
player willing to invest in something to compete with MS Office to avoid buying 
it? Doesn't seem very likely.

So AOO is left with households, perhaps very very small companies and education 
sector. I think that AOO should be the simple choice for schools. It should 
offer the peace of mind with no license issue, no need of a package full of 
features not really needed but sold efficiently by MS. No need of permanent 
internet access, just install it locally.
It should say: here is a rock solid application that can prepare pupils/student 
to office software. It is not MS Office but there are enough similarities to 
make it a good tool to learn. Like your driving license: you learn on a car but 
you can buy something (very) different. You just have to adapt.
If there is something to make clear, it is the effort needed to adapt from AOO 
to MS Office. I'm not saying it should be a clone but just make the transition 
as smooth as possible, user point of view.

As long as there is no consensus on the user base or on the purpose of AOO, it 
will be difficult to set priorities.
I think that LO success is due to the new features because it's a developer 
oriented project: it's fun, like a big sandbox. But for users, it may be 
different (for example, we see in the forum a high number of topics about the 
SAXParse error due to bad .docx export in LO).
Note: even if it takes time to get the direction, any effort to eliminate the 
major bugs will improve AOO reputation (for example: spell check problem with 
the user profile and the file content replaced with ). It should remain the 
default target of developers.

Another idea: since users like to customize the appearance of their 
applications, providing a way to easily edit/change the user interface 
(buttons) could bring back some interest. Like themes in FF/TB.

Hagar
PS: can't bear teachers asking my kids to provide homeworks in .docx/.xlsx.

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Re: Letter

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Beware, this is an English speaking list. And you're not subscribed, you may 
miss other replies.

From the wiki: There is no in-built tool button editor. To use a custom icon, 
save it to the {install path}/share/config/symbol directory in *.bmp format. 
OOo automatically searches this directory for new icons each time the Customize 
Buttons dialog is opened. Custom icons must be 16 x 16 or 26 x 26 pixels in 
size and cannot contain more than 256 colors.
-> 
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Getting_Started/Toolbars

Hagar


Le 10/01/2017 à 20:23, Arnaud Biondelli a écrit :

Bonjour,
Je me présente Arnaud et je vis en France.
Je voulais vous demander si il est possible d'avoir l'interface d'Open
Office en fichier PNG ou JPEG ou autre format pour pouvoir crée un nouveau
design et bouton et boite plus moderne.
Je vous remercie d'avance
Cordialement
Arnaud




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Re: future of OpenOffice

[Hagar Delest]

CCed to OP (not subscribed to the list).


Le 10/01/2017 à 20:21, FR web forum a écrit :

Already discussed
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/openoffice-dev/201608.mbox/%3CCALR982mG0baX7i4StBissjVOYDOgfb%3DVMzgOs-0%3DqezMZyi2cg%40mail.gmail.com%3E

- Mail original -
De: "suhail ansari" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Mardi 10 Janvier 2017 19:43:04
Objet: future of OpenOffice

Hi,

   My name is Suhail and I have some suggestions for OpenOffice community.

OpenOffice is very popular and it attracts large number of downloads. My 
suggestion is that Apache software foundation should talk to the document 
foundation and ask them to merge their foundation with Apache software 
foundation because Apache is world's biggest open source software foundation 
and if the document foundation joins Apache then we can have one product 
(OpenOffice). The ASF has many popular open source software products like 
hadoop, tomcat, OpenOffice etc. It will be good for both ASF and the document 
foundation to work together.


Suhail Ansari


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Re: Chinese forum out of order

[Hagar Delest]

I think we should:
1. Remove the spam
2. Put the forum back on-line but read-only
3. Wait for a team willing to continue the service before unlocking it

Spam removal can be performed by power users from another area (this is what 
was done for the Vietnamese forum before it was locked). However, we need 
someone with full access to grant those power users an admin or at least a 
moderator role: since the users databases are independent, registration is 
needed.

Hagar


Le 09/12/2016 à 23:14, Andrea Pescetti a écrit :

FR web forum wrote:

https://forum.openoffice.org/zh/forum/ = 404 error


This was deliberately taken down some weeks ago since it was unmaintained; this 
was announced on this list. It was unclear at the time if anyone would like to 
take over and do the normal maintenance (approve posts and users, clean spam 
etc); shall we instead consider it to be offline and just put a notice saying 
that we are looking for moderators, and while at it fix the homepage to avoid 
broken links to the Chinese forum? I have all the needed permissions on the 
server.

Regards,
  Andrea.

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Re: "module jpeg error" on compiling

[Hagar Delest]

CCed OP.

Christoph, you're not subscribed to the list.

Hagar

Le 04/11/2016 à 18:32, Peter Kovacs a écrit :

you can circumvent this by

1) locating the libgcc_s.so.1 on your system

2) delete 
/root/Schreibtisch/aoo-4.1.3/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libgcc_s.so.1

3) create a softlink instead that points to your system lib.

4) restart build with given command.


All the best

Peter

On 04.11.2016 18:17, "Christoph Körner" wrote:

I just tried to compile the original source and i got following error:
root@abc:~/Schreibtisch/aoo-4.1.3/main/instsetoo_native# build --all:jpeg
build -- version: 275224


=
Building module jpeg
=

Entering /root/Schreibtisch/aoo-4.1.3/main/jpeg

mkdir: cannot create directory './unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/jpeg-8d/': File exists
Compiling: jpeg/unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/jpeg-8d/jaricom.c
afl-cc 2.35b by 
afl-as 2.35b by 
[!] WARNING: No instrumentation targets found.
/root/Schreibtisch/aoo-4.1.3/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/bin/makedepend: error 
while loading shared libraries: 
/root/Schreibtisch/aoo-4.1.3/main/solver/413/unxlngx6.pro/lib/libgcc_s.so.1: 
invalid ELF header
dmake:  Error code 127, while making '../../../../unxlngx6.pro/slo/jaricom.obj'
dmake:  '../../../../unxlngx6.pro/slo/jaricom.obj' removed.
dmake:  Error code 255, while making './unxlngx6.pro/misc/build/so_built_jpeg'

1 module(s):
jpeg
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making /root/Schreibtisch/aoo-4.1.3/main/jpeg

When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build by 
running:

build --all:jpeg
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  How can i fix it?

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Re: Reporting broken download link

[Hagar Delest]

I'm not sure there is an ultimate fix for this error message that can cover a 
lot of cases.

Have you tried to deactivate your antivirus before installing?
In some case, users had success by decompressing the installation file on the 
C: partition

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Hagar


Le 31/10/2016 à 15:52, watson...@comcast.net a écrit :

I am unable to upgrade Open Office latest release because get Error Msg.1305.  
I can’t find the meaning of the error.  I am using a Dell
Inspiron  23 (5348) running Microsoft 10.  Could you please help me.

Thanks a lot,
Benjamin A. Watson




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Re: This can not be true

[Hagar Delest]

French translation on-line: 
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.3+est+disponible

Hagar


Le 17/10/2016 à 13:38, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :

Page created at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/AOO+4.1.3
+Announcement
; people interested in translating it can add a child page for their
language.

the german translation is ready:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=65876043

@Marcus:
Can you please check your quotations in the translation



Jörg


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Re: I think we need a press release for AOO 4.1.3

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

Don't know if you had some help usually for the French translation but if 
needed, I can help.
However, I've no access to the French area of the website, it would have to be 
posted online by someone who has the karma.

Hagar


Le 09/10/2016 à 10:44, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :

From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]
I working already with Apache for a press release.

Thank you, these are good news.

Please let me know if I can help with a German translation of the press 
release, because public relations is, in this times, important for Germany.

You (Marcis) know the following, but let me all remember it:
Germany is a particularly important country for OpenOffice, because the cradle 
of StarOffice and also of OpenOffice stood in Hamburg(*).


(*)
or a little bit in Lüneburg, because the company "StarDivision" was formally 
founded in Lüneburg.



Greetings,
Jörg


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Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Le 08/10/2016 à 12:34, Peter Kovacs a écrit :

You seem to like the way ODFormat is defined.

To be precise, I like the the intent of ODF. Several parties decided to work 
together so that a fully documented file format could be used with advanced 
application features (I mean that could store data needed by complex 
applications like word processors, spreadsheets, ...). Perhaps there was other 
file formats at that time. Perhaps the momentum created by OOo helped ODF at 
the same time despite other file formats availability.
I've a scientific background. Thus I'm more in favor of standardization than 
closed blackboxes (or badly documented features).



But what is with Bill Pate, who has done a lot of work, and is looking atm for 
a different tool.
He has fear that all his work is lost or unsuable of sorts when he imports to 
Open Office. Or maybe his work is lost after a while he finds out he misses MSO 
so much he wants to return.
We should also try to answer towards his fear.


Then I think my answer was clear: AOO can do what he wants but it will require 
a change in the file format he's using right now (assuming he saves in .docx).


See I want to stay open. That means I work into the direction that supports 
your requirement and to Bill Pate requirement. Giving both of you the maximum 
of choice that is possible to provide with the available ressources.
This is a huge maybe impossible challenge. But I have some Ideas.


Thanks!


Still looking what Open Office already implements of them and what has to be 
improved. And I will not manage to deliver on time atm. But I hope I find 
support. In you and others that are interested in OO.


Of course. The main issue IMHO is that similar features may be handled differently. So 
any bridge for "conversion" may introduce some glitches. There may also be 
issues if some parts refer to undisclosed documentation. Let's hope there are very few of 
them.

Openess incorporates for me /*Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité*/. Not fully supporting OOXML means giving up on Égalité. Not accepting the Users requirements is against my whish for Fraternité. 


I'm OK with that as long as everybody has the means to implement OOXML (.docx, 
...). But it has been discussed at length in this discussion already.
Note that by Égalité, you mean that everyone should be allowed to use the 
format he wants. My opinion is that the Égalité is to use the same format 
(hence the importance of the interoperability). However, they are free in their 
choice of what format or application they want to use. The free choice falls in 
the Liberté for me.


For me there is a political dimension in joining Open Office. And also imortant 
one in this times.
[...]
I am sorry for drifting into idological point of view, but it explains my 
feelings pretty well.


Same for me.

Hagar


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Re: Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Le 04/10/2016 à 06:50, Peter Kovacs a écrit :

ODF has a better trancperency then OOXML. But beeing open we need to embrace 
and value both formats.



This is the key point for AOO now IMHO.
I think there is a point having import filters to give users a way to open the 
files. Then the natural thing would be to save in ODF.

That's what was done with OOXML: AOO can import but the code to export in OOXML 
is not activated. it does exist somewhere but it has never been implemented by 
design.
My fear is: if AOO exports in OOXML (as LibO does), what will happen to ODF? 
Most users would just use OOXML since it would be compatible with AOO and MS 
Office. It may lead to frustration because of the glitches from the 
conversions. OTOH, it may attract new users.
Note: it may say that bugs like 1900 leap year bug in OOXML are accepted 
(except if it has been fixed since).

If there was at least the possibility to store the information linked to the AOO features 
in OOXML without triggering any "conversion" operation, it may be a 3rd way. 
Does OOXML allow that? I doubt it but perhaps there is room in parts of the format that 
allow some kind of customization. It would be sad however to lose the human readable 
structure of ODF (quite useful in case a file is corrupted or when you need to inspect a 
file in detail).

Hagar

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Re: Testing 4.1.3

[Hagar Delest]

No problem so far with some use with Writer, Impress and Calc (not much).
Both with EN-US core install with French package (on kids account).

Hagar

Le 25/09/2016 à 20:33, Marcus a écrit :

Am 09/25/2016 04:33 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I suggest that people start downloading and testing 4.1.3 as soon as
there are binaries they can run. I can't start the formal vote period
until we have a complete release candidate.


thanks for the pointer, I'll wait for the Linux 64-bit and Windows builds.

Marcus


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Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Le 03/10/2016 à 12:14, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :

From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net]
I think that ODF was designed to be a fully open standard to
give the users back the property of their own data.

No, that's not correct.

ODF was written this it was compatible with the capabilities of the program OOo.
This is a purely technical issue, and does not mean the ODF would therefore not
designed open.


Even if it came from a previous format, the goal was to make a documented 
format to allow compatibility with other applications. So not designed from 
scratch, agreed, but changes made for interoperability. That's how I understand 
the target of ODF.



But [MS Office] OOXML is not what we could label a real open
format. There are parts that still refer to proprietary bits.

fud, or show me exactly what parts you mean

e.g. the old binary formats has MS disclosed, see:
https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/office/cc313105(v=office.14).aspx
https://msdn.microsoft.com/de-de/library/office/gg615407(v=office.14).aspx


I admit that most of my knowledge come from the time when the OOXML was being 
ISO approved. I found this as a more recent reference : 
http://courseweb.ischool.illinois.edu/~stanley8/LIS590DPL/standards/docformats.html
I remember also the groklaw site: 
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=20051216153153504
There was plenty of technical details. But maybe it has changed. I've not 
really followed what happened afterward.


and please respect one:
I'm working for free and open source software for over 10 years, however 
therefore
I do not work primary against MS - for my thinking MS is a competitor, not an
enemy for me.


There is no enemy. Agreed. But Users should be aware of the rules.

BTW, you say that MS is a Platinum sponsor, but you mean for Apache? Or for 
AOO? That's not the same IMHO.

Well, I'm just a user in the end. If you technical guys think that it's fine as 
it is, so be it.

Hagar

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Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Top posting.

In fact, I came to OOo in 2006 because I used to use MS Word to compile data 
and one day a file got corrupted for an unknown reason. I discovered that there 
was no way to recover the file because it was proprietary. I think that at that 
time the .doc format was not disclosed yet (but I may be wrong). What is sure 
is that I could not get my file back. So I searched the net and found OOo and 
ODF. And I adopted OOo because of the file format (I had already tried OOo 1 
but did not like it).

If OOo had not gained popularity, I'm not sure MS would have created something 
similar with their OOXML. And if the vendor lock-in policy is less an issue 
now, OOo and ODF may be for something. What it would be if they hadn't been 
there?

Just to precise something: I'm not complaining, and I don't say Linux people 
are the best or whatever. I just say that file format is an issue. I admit that 
I think MS do not play fair (but that's logical, else, they would certainly 
lose users).
Up to the user to decide what is more important for him.

But if the focus is the application and not the file format, then what? Make a 
free clone of MS Office? Just a lost cause then.
That's perhaps the problem today. Not that obvious when OOo was the leading 
software. But now that there is LibO, if there is no discussion about what 
should the ODF become, it will be a question of what poison to chose (to use 
Dennis' words).
In this case, there is a point supporting OOXML. But it would slightly become a 
de facto standard (what was .doc, ...). But would never be fully implemented in 
all the applications due to the references to the proprietary functions.

Hagar


Le 02/10/2016 à 23:06, Xen a écrit :

Hagar Delest schreef op 02-10-2016 21:56:

Le 02/10/2016 à 19:29, Xen a écrit :

Jörg was only mentioning that the ODF format was also designed without 
compatibility in mind, and that it is an equal situation.


I think that ODF was designed to be a fully open standard to give the
users back the property of their own data. This was to give users an
alternative to the proprietary formats like .doc, .xls, ...
The problem was that legacy file formats (.doc, .xls, ...) could not
allow intercompatibility between software. Hence the need of an open
standard.


Well Jörg stated this:

ODF 1.0 corresponded to 99% of the original OpenOffice-XML Formal (sxw, sxc, 
etc.)
written only for OOo.

So maybe I should have been more specific. The reality is that ODF was not designed; it 
already existed and apparently, was only slightly adjusted and then turned into an 
"open standard".

But please, I want you to also look at the reality and not just the shoulds and 
wants.

No one outside of the open source community really uses ODF. Probably, some new 
application will see reasons to create its own format if only to provide extra 
features or whatever that the old standard doesn't. Also, even if you are not 
commercial and trying to limit what another can do with your files, you can 
have a reason to e.g. not use a zip file format, or whatever else you might say.

So, since ODF was not really designed, and since you can turn any standard into an open 
standard, you could say e.g. Microsoft "should" implement and support that open 
standard, but that's not really related to it being open; being open merely guarantees 
that it would be easier.

But the question was incompatibilities.


By design, there should not be any compatibility aspect in an open
format : if the file format is fully documented, then each software
should respect that format and then the compatibility with other
applications will be achieved.


Tell that to the person who tried to open a Calligra document in LibreOffice: 
all of the bulleting marks were replaced by something else and the document 
didn't look the same at all.

But moreover I think many "open standards" must or apparently always do accept 
a reduced level of functionality, think of the specification for DLNA/UPNP in which some 
really useful functionality is barely possible. Causing smaller companies that do want to 
provide a good user experience to use their own format or protocol, or to extend the 
thing although hardly possible.

So the reason Microsoft is so hard to make compatible (and many others perhaps) 
is that they do introduce stuff for their own that hardly anyone else can use.

But that's also how you create a better user experience and be honest, most of 
the Linux software world... If I must not speak of AOO here then I will mention 
GIMP, which has the full top menu under the context popup (right mouse button) 
which is such a glaring deficiency (no actually context menu, then) that no 
serious party or company that would want to earn money would ever design such a 
product that way.

GIMP is just near (or nigh) unusable. But I am straying from the subject.

In the best case an open standard is goin

Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Le 02/10/2016 à 19:29, Xen a écrit :

Jörg was only mentioning that the ODF format was also designed without 
compatibility in mind, and that it is an equal situation.


I think that ODF was designed to be a fully open standard to give the users 
back the property of their own data. This was to give users an alternative to 
the proprietary formats like .doc, .xls, ...
The problem was that legacy file formats (.doc, .xls, ...) could not allow 
intercompatibility between software. Hence the need of an open standard.

By design, there should not be any compatibility aspect in an open format : if 
the file format is fully documented, then each software should respect that 
format and then the compatibility with other applications will be achieved.

But [MS Office] OOXML is not what we could label a real open format. There are 
parts that still refer to proprietary bits. Therefore, the situation is not 
that equal. And for the strict OOXML flavor, MS Office doesn't use it as its 
default format, it was only a mean to get the OOXML approved by ISO I think 
(and we all remember the conditions in which it has been done).

Hagar

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Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Top posting.

I was of course talking about Office Open XML, also known as OpenXML or OOXML 
developed by Microsoft and adopted by ECMA International as ECMA-376 
<http://www.ecma-international.org/publications/standards/Ecma-376.htm> in 2006.
I've mostly seen ODF for the OpenOffice.org XML file format.

By reading again OP message, I see that he said "Can Apache open their Open Office XLM". 
In the context of his message I thought that it was meant for the file format used by MS Office 
since OP had a "writings saved at this point after using their set up".

Hagar


Le 02/10/2016 à 14:05, Jörg Schmidt a écrit :

From: Hagar Delest [mailto:hagar.del...@laposte.net]
Beware that OOXML was not designed to be compatible with
anything else than MS Office.

And what is ODF?

ODF 1.0 corresponded to 99% of the original OpenOffice-XML Formal (sxw, sxc, 
etc.)
written only for OOo.

And the truth is this there are two ISO standards, and neither of the two is an
ISO standard second class.

ODF:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=66
363

OOXML:
http://www.iso.org/iso/iso_catalogue/catalogue_tc/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=51
463


And let me say it absolutely clear:
I've heard how MS has denigrated many years Linux, but I have also noticed that 
MS
reality of ODF recognized.
Only with better software, we can beat MS, not with stupid sayings.

I believe in the competition for the better software, not I believe in the power
of ideological talk.



Jörg


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Re: In regards to Open Office

[Hagar Delest]

Yes it can.
Beware that OOXML was not designed to be compatible with anything else than MS 
Office. So once you switch to Apache OpenOffice, save in native format (.odt 
for text). MS Office can read that (even if it does not always to a very good 
job at it).
AOO can't save in OOXML but AOO can save in .doc format quite well. Even if 
small glitches can occur due to the MS Office file format (again).

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Le 02/10/2016 à 10:25, Bill Pate a écrit :

I couldn't find any other email other than this for contact, but I did have and 
may still go back to office 365, but my question is, I have collections of my 
writings saved at this point after using their set up.  Can Apache open their 
Open Office XLM, and do formatting, spell check, page numbering and have 
availability to create pdf files from my work, just for starters?


I don't want to download the product if it can't.


Thanks,

Bill




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Re: Testing 4.1.3

[Hagar Delest]

Thanks, up and running.

BTW, I noticed that it installed over my 4.1.2.
I don't remember if the RCs used to install in lieu of the production version 
in the past but it may be surprising for some users.
Shouldn't it be installed in parallel (with no desktop-integration)? More 
hassle but if it's for testing purpose, we can imagine that the user knows what 
to do.
Just my 2 cents, it is not meant to add delays to change that.

Hagar


Le 27/09/2016 à 20:44, Keith N. McKenna a écrit :

Hagar Delest wrote:

Sorry for the stupid question but is there a link to the builds???
Not able to find any on the web site or even in the mail...
Or should we wait for the RC (there used to be links on the website for
the RCs).

Hagar


Le 26/09/2016 à 22:51, Marcus a écrit :

Am 09/25/2016 08:33 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 09/25/2016 04:33 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I suggest that people start downloading and testing 4.1.3 as soon as
there are binaries they can run. I can't start the formal vote period
until we have a complete release candidate.

thanks for the pointer, I'll wait for the Linux 64-bit and Windows
builds.

grrr, I was to fast with my offer as I'm not available until Thursday.
I'll test the builds then if it's still early enough.

Sorry

Marcus


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Hagar;

Development builds are being made available at the following location:
https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.3/binaries/
Click on your language and all currently available installers and
language packs are available. ariaelch is still updating so if you do
not see what you need yet it may well be coming soon. Note these are
development builds only at this point, not Release Candidates.

Regards
Keith





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Re: Testing 4.1.3

[Hagar Delest]

Sorry for the stupid question but is there a link to the builds???
Not able to find any on the web site or even in the mail...
Or should we wait for the RC (there used to be links on the website for the 
RCs).

Hagar


Le 26/09/2016 à 22:51, Marcus a écrit :

Am 09/25/2016 08:33 PM, schrieb Marcus:

Am 09/25/2016 04:33 PM, schrieb Patricia Shanahan:

I suggest that people start downloading and testing 4.1.3 as soon as
there are binaries they can run. I can't start the formal vote period
until we have a complete release candidate.


thanks for the pointer, I'll wait for the Linux 64-bit and Windows builds.


grrr, I was to fast with my offer as I'm not available until Thursday. I'll 
test the builds then if it's still early enough.

Sorry

Marcus


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Re: Differentiate or Die

[Hagar Delest]

Le 09/09/2016 à 20:11, Jim Jagielski a écrit :

One of the great things about FOSS is the tight connection
between users and developers. After all, most developers are
users that have an itch to scratch.

If there are things that the user community wants, then
chances are good that developers will be jazzed about working
on them, or, at least, the pool of potential developers
might be increased.

But open source, and open source projects, should not be
run in a normal, corporate s/w development mode, where some
"entity" decides what features are needed, etc... We should
be in touch with what our users, and our potential users, want.

No need to go very far. There is a bug tracker with Requests For Enhancements 
and votes.

Hagar

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Re: [DISCUSS] What Would OpenOffice Retirement Involve? (long)

[Hagar Delest]

Le 07/09/2016 à 16:55, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit :

3. I suspect that discussions about available software alternatives would arise 
on users@oo.a.o and particularly on the Community Forums. That would happen 
naturally without requiring the project to take any positions or provide any 
kind of exclusivity of one provider over others.


I was rather surprised but there has been almost no question from users about 
that.
We opened a discussion (as already linked) in the EN forum and mainly power 
users posted. Too early to conclude if forum users are not aware yet or just 
don't care.
Very few messages on the users ML also for an alternative.

The wiki page is a great idea so that this discussion can slowly die and the 
energies can be focused on more efficient matters.

Anyway, even if the topic raised fears, if the outcome is a quick new release 
as it seems the case, it will prove that all those who propagated FUD were 
wrong. It may give AOO some visibility again (and new contributors). So in the 
end, not that bad.

Hagar

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Re: Merge with LibreOffice?

[Hagar Delest]

Le 03/09/2016 à 18:47, Xen a écrit :

OpenOffice is unusable on Linux, you can't easily install it and once installed 
you don't know how to fire it up; it is not in the path, it is not in the 
menus, and you have to provide this on your own, if it even works.

Not at all. I use xubuntu since several years and it's rather easy to get rid 
of the remnants of LibO automatically installed and then install from the deb 
packages.
The desktop integration works very fine.


Mark Shuttleworth once said on an interview how to his opinion the LibreOffice 
devs (that would then split off) made the Oracle employees' lives hell. Even 
though Ubuntu has taken on LibreOffice after a while, he was no fan at all of 
what happened.

I still don't unnderstand what happened there and why he did not support AOO 
instead. I may have missed some political argument at the time of the split.

Hagar

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Re: What would OpenOffice NON-retirement involve?

[Hagar Delest]

Message posted on the EN forum: 
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=84952

If you need the message to be changed, don't hesitate, I can edit it.

Hagar


Le 02/09/2016 à 18:25, Patricia Shanahan a écrit :

On 9/2/2016 7:59 AM, Phillip Rhodes wrote:

OK, counter-point to the other thread... let's talk specifically about what
needs to happen next, given that some (plenty|most|all|???) of us want this
project to
continue moving forward.

What has to happen next?  What is the most important thing/things we could
be
working on?  What could I do *right now* to help move things in a positive
direction?

How can we attract more developers?  How do we counter the FUD that is
already being promulgated in response to the "retirement" discussion?
 etc...


The "other thread" is actually liberating. Let's go public with the risk that 
AOO will be shut down, despite the wishes and best efforts of its remaining developers.

I would like to see every possible medium used to present one message: "AOO is at 
serious risk of dying, unless we get more volunteer developers, especially C++ 
programmers."

I know we need other skills as well, but I don't want to dilute or complicate 
that message.

I would like a special mailing list recruitm...@openoffice.apache.org, just for 
signing up and organizing new developers. No need for them to start with dev@, 
especially the less experienced developers. Just send an e-mail to recruitment@

The message should go out every way it can:

us...@openoffice.apache.org
OpenOffice forums
Press release
memb...@apache.org
d...@community.apache.org

We should also strengthen the current download page appeal for developers to 
state the risk of shut down.


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Index out of bounds

[Hagar Delest]

Hi,

There has been recently some topics in the forum about the error message Fatal Error 
"index out of bounds" with a crash. Occurs when a file is opened.
Sometimes resetting the profile works (temporarily) and sometimes not at all.
See: https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=84353 (and a 
query to other similar topics).

Before submitting a bug report, does anyone have an idea of what the index out 
of bounds means and if there are some actions to try to narrow the problem?
It seems rather related to Mac and more generally to *nix systems.

Thanks,
Hagar

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