Re: Java 9 32-bit
Hmm I was not answering you. Should have picked Damian mal. The suggestion to use .net is to translate to c#. Or I misread. Sorry. Am 4. Oktober 2017 20:50:06 MESZ schrieb Marcus: >Am 04.10.2017 um 08:54 schrieb Peter kovacs: > >are you answering my mail or was this just a random reply? >I'm wondering as I don't see anything new in your mail. > >> How relevant is Win 32 bit in future? > >0,0 % > >> Shouldn't we offer a Win 64bit in long run? > >Of course. > >> Why move to C#? I do not see the benefit. > >Nobody wants to move to C#. > >Marcus > > > >> Am 3. Oktober 2017 23:18:12 MESZ schrieb Marcus > : >>> Am 03.10.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Fernando Cassia >>> wrote: > On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: >> Now what: >> 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the >>> licences >> (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) >allow >>> us > to? >> 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected >>> platform > (*nix >> users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK >>> will be >> available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. >> 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. >> 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, >>> which > is >> liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? >> >> Damjan > > Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only >provider > of Java or OpenJDK, right? > > Options > 1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK >>> sources. > 2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows >>> app, > able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE) > 3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build? > 4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT >>> compiler? > http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295 > > Just my $0.02 > FC > > As a bystander, I'm wondering just how alarming this news is to >>> Apache OpenOffice. >>> >>> IMHO not at all. Java 9 was published just 2 weeks ago. So, it will >>> take >>> some time until it's the favorite one. Until then 8 is developer's >>> darling. >>> The builds are using Java 6 or 7, right? >>> >>> With the next larger release (probably 4.2.0) we will use Java 8 >which >>> should last a longer time. Time enough to decide what to do with the >>> dependency of Java 32-bit. >>> I'm still on 32-bit Linux for now but my default OpenJDK is 1.8. >I >>> can run AOO fine with it but must use 1.7 for building. > > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Am 04.10.2017 um 08:54 schrieb Peter kovacs: are you answering my mail or was this just a random reply? I'm wondering as I don't see anything new in your mail. How relevant is Win 32 bit in future? 0,0 % Shouldn't we offer a Win 64bit in long run? Of course. Why move to C#? I do not see the benefit. Nobody wants to move to C#. Marcus Am 3. Oktober 2017 23:18:12 MESZ schrieb Marcus: Am 03.10.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: Now what: 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? Damjan Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only provider of Java or OpenJDK, right? Options 1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK sources. 2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows app, able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE) 3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build? 4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT compiler? http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295 Just my $0.02 FC As a bystander, I'm wondering just how alarming this news is to Apache OpenOffice. IMHO not at all. Java 9 was published just 2 weeks ago. So, it will take some time until it's the favorite one. Until then 8 is developer's darling. The builds are using Java 6 or 7, right? With the next larger release (probably 4.2.0) we will use Java 8 which should last a longer time. Time enough to decide what to do with the dependency of Java 32-bit. I'm still on 32-bit Linux for now but my default OpenJDK is 1.8. I can run AOO fine with it but must use 1.7 for building. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
How relevant is Win 32 bit in future? Shouldn't we offer a Win 64bit in long run? Why move to C#? I do not see the benefit. I would rather opt for a clean modern C++ library design with hourglass APIs. With that we can support all languages people want to use in an extention. And we reduce complexity on our side. No license issues whatsoever is also on the boon fact. All the best Peter Am 3. Oktober 2017 23:18:12 MESZ schrieb Marcus: >Am 03.10.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Kay Schenk: >> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Fernando Cassia >wrote: >> >>> On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: Now what: 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the >licences (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow >us >>> to? 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected >platform >>> (*nix users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK >will be available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, >which >>> is liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? Damjan >>> >>> Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only provider >>> of Java or OpenJDK, right? >>> >>> Options >>> 1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK >sources. >>> 2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows >app, >>> able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE) >>> 3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build? >>> 4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT >compiler? >>> http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295 >>> >>> Just my $0.02 >>> FC >>> >>> >> As a bystander, I'm wondering just how alarming this news is to >Apache >> OpenOffice. > >IMHO not at all. Java 9 was published just 2 weeks ago. So, it will >take >some time until it's the favorite one. Until then 8 is developer's >darling. > >> The builds are using Java 6 or 7, right? > >With the next larger release (probably 4.2.0) we will use Java 8 which >should last a longer time. Time enough to decide what to do with the >dependency of Java 32-bit. > >> I'm still on 32-bit Linux for now but my default OpenJDK is 1.8. I >can run >> AOO fine with it but must use 1.7 for building. > >Marcus > >- >To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org >For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Am 03.10.2017 um 22:26 schrieb Kay Schenk: On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Fernando Cassiawrote: On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: Now what: 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? Damjan Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only provider of Java or OpenJDK, right? Options 1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK sources. 2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows app, able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE) 3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build? 4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT compiler? http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295 Just my $0.02 FC As a bystander, I'm wondering just how alarming this news is to Apache OpenOffice. IMHO not at all. Java 9 was published just 2 weeks ago. So, it will take some time until it's the favorite one. Until then 8 is developer's darling. The builds are using Java 6 or 7, right? With the next larger release (probably 4.2.0) we will use Java 8 which should last a longer time. Time enough to decide what to do with the dependency of Java 32-bit. I'm still on 32-bit Linux for now but my default OpenJDK is 1.8. I can run AOO fine with it but must use 1.7 for building. Marcus - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Damjan Jovanovic wrote: 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? To answer my own question, we can't ship OpenJDK - according to http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional "Apache projects cannot distribute any such components within their releases". Well, "we can't" is always simplistic when coming to Apache rules. If something can't be distributed WITHIN a release (a source release) it may still be possible to bundle it with the the binary releases, much like what we do with dictionaries. Of course this needs discussion and validation (and a lot of patience) but the process can be started if we see value in it as a temporary fix. Regards, Andrea. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 8:02 AM, Fernando Cassiawrote: > On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovic wrote: > > Now what: > > 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences > > (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us > to? > > 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform > (*nix > > users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be > > available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. > > 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. > > 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which > is > > liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? > > > > Damjan > > Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only provider > of Java or OpenJDK, right? > > Options > 1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK sources. > 2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows app, > able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE) > 3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build? > 4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT compiler? > http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295 > > Just my $0.02 > FC > > As a bystander, I'm wondering just how alarming this news is to Apache OpenOffice. The builds are using Java 6 or 7, right? I'm still on 32-bit Linux for now but my default OpenJDK is 1.8. I can run AOO fine with it but must use 1.7 for building. -- -- MzK "Only the truth will save you now." -- Ensei Tankado, "Digital Fortress"
Re: Java 9 32-bit
On 10/3/17, Damjan Jovanovicwrote: > Now what: > 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences > (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? > 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix > users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be > available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. > 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. > 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is > liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? > > Damjan Tempest in a teapot. You do know that Oracle isn't the only provider of Java or OpenJDK, right? Options 1. You can buiild your own 32-bit x86 binary based on OpenJDK sources. 2. make AOO compile OK on 64 bit thus making AOO a 64-bit Windows app, able to use any 64-bit JRE (Oracle JRE, IBM JRE, Azul's Zulu JRE) 3. Have you asked Azul Systems if they can provide a 32-bit build? 4. Compile the Java code in AOO as native with Java 9's AOT compiler? http://openjdk.java.net/jeps/295 Just my $0.02 FC - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Am 03.10.2017 um 15:59 schrieb Marcus: > Am 03.10.2017 um 14:51 schrieb Matthias Seidel: >> It seems that Oracle pulled the 32-bit version of Java 9: >> >> https://twitter.com/mreinhold/status/912311207935090689 > > thanks for your finding. I think we have a new topic on our todo list. However, the 32-bit version is still available through other sites. Oracle offered them for download but pulled them shortly after the release. Maybe if the shitstorm is big enough Oracle will think about it, but I would not make a bet on it. Matthias > > Marcus > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org > smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Java 9 32-bit
On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Damjan Jovanovicwrote: > Now what: > 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences > (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? > To answer my own question, we can't ship OpenJDK - according to http://apache.org/legal/resolved.html#optional "Apache projects cannot distribute any such components within their releases". We could however download and install an OpenJDK binary distribution at run-time, as needed and after user confirmation, from something like https://github.com/ojdkbuild/ojdkbuild, for these cases where Oracle's JDK is unsupported.
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Am 03.10.2017 um 15:18 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: Now what: 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? of course this can be an option. But IMHO it's just a life extension. Somewhen in the future we need to decide which direction to go. 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. The long term option to go. As the relevance and usage of Windows 32-bit versions is also decreasing it's time to change to 64-bit. 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? Also possible. Microsoft has modified this, so that it can now also work on Linux and macOS. However, we need to know that .NET is really the same on all 3 platforms. I don't think we want to deal with differences between them that have to be incorporated into OpenOffice' code. This sounds like if it's too painful. I would prefer for option 3. Marcus On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Matthias Seidelwrote: Hello all, It seems that Oracle pulled the 32-bit version of Java 9: https://twitter.com/mreinhold/status/912311207935090689 Matthias - To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscr...@openoffice.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-h...@openoffice.apache.org
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Option 1, 3, 4 could work. (I would prefer 1 for short term and 3 for long term) Option 2 is nonsense. Either way, I just wanted to inform the list about the fact... Matthias Am 03.10.2017 um 15:27 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: > Go for which option? > Or do you mean option 4 with the "Go" language? > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Matthias Seidel> wrote: > >> Go for it! ;-) >> >> >> Am 03.10.2017 um 15:18 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: >>> Now what: >>> 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences >>> (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us >> to? >>> 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform >> (*nix >>> users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be >>> available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. >>> 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. >>> 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which >> is >>> liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? >>> >>> Damjan >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Matthias Seidel < >> matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> >>> wrote: >>> Hello all, It seems that Oracle pulled the 32-bit version of Java 9: https://twitter.com/mreinhold/status/912311207935090689 Matthias >> >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Go for which option? Or do you mean option 4 with the "Go" language? On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Matthias Seidelwrote: > Go for it! ;-) > > > Am 03.10.2017 um 15:18 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: > > Now what: > > 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences > > (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us > to? > > 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform > (*nix > > users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be > > available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. > > 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. > > 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which > is > > liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? > > > > Damjan > > > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Matthias Seidel < > matthias.sei...@hamburg.de> > > wrote: > > > >> Hello all, > >> > >> It seems that Oracle pulled the 32-bit version of Java 9: > >> > >> https://twitter.com/mreinhold/status/912311207935090689 > >> > >> Matthias > >> > >> > >> > > >
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Go for it! ;-) Am 03.10.2017 um 15:18 schrieb Damjan Jovanovic: > Now what: > 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences > (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? > 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix > users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be > available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. > 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. > 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is > liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? > > Damjan > > On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Matthias Seidel> wrote: > >> Hello all, >> >> It seems that Oracle pulled the 32-bit version of Java 9: >> >> https://twitter.com/mreinhold/status/912311207935090689 >> >> Matthias >> >> >> smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re: Java 9 32-bit
Now what: 1. Ship our own builds of OpenJDK, in matching bitness. Do the licences (GPL for JVM, GPL-with-classpath-exception for class library) allow us to? 2. Drop Windows as a platform, since it's the only affected platform (*nix users usually install distro OpenJDK packages so 32 bit OpenJDK will be available for 32 bit AOO). We have no Win64 AOO. 3. Drop 32 bit versions of AOO and add Win64 support. 4. Or drop Java entirely and port our Java code to eg. .NET core, which is liberally licensed and private copies of it can be shipped? Damjan On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Matthias Seidelwrote: > Hello all, > > It seems that Oracle pulled the 32-bit version of Java 9: > > https://twitter.com/mreinhold/status/912311207935090689 > > Matthias > > >