Re: Additional options for issue tracking
On 2/15/18 12:28 PM, Christopher wrote: Want to spin out a DISCUSS on the desire to switch, Mike Walch? That seems to me like it should be the next step. I thought that's what we were doing.:) This isn't tagged with DISCUSS in the subject (which I know some subscribers of our list filter on) and this thread is convoluted already. The intent of this discussion isn't cut-dry like it could be.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
On 2/15/18 11:26 AM, Keith Turner wrote: On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Josh Elserwrote: We tell users that try to file issues on the "unsupported" issue tracker that they've created the issue in the wrong place and point them to the right issue tracker. Personally I think that is ok for a short period. Its like driving on a road during construction, you know annoyance is unavoidable. However no one wants to drive on a road that under construction indefinitely. So if we start on this I would like consensus that we plan to transition from Jira to Github in a timely manner. I don't think we should try to figure everything out before we start though. I think it would be good to have a simple starting plan and we hill climb from there in search of a more optimal way of operating. I don't like the idea of enabling github issue with no consensus that the goal is to transition away from Jira. Leaving things in that state for a long period seems bad to me. If we start with the consensus to transition, its possible we may decide not to and that ok. I don't think any action needs to be taken now for that eventuality. We can figure that out as we go during the transition period. +1 on all of this. Want to spin out a DISCUSS on the desire to switch, Mike Walch? That seems to me like it should be the next step.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Josh Elserwrote: > We tell users that try to file issues on the "unsupported" issue tracker > that they've created the issue in the wrong place and point them to the > right issue tracker. Personally I think that is ok for a short period. Its like driving on a road during construction, you know annoyance is unavoidable. However no one wants to drive on a road that under construction indefinitely. So if we start on this I would like consensus that we plan to transition from Jira to Github in a timely manner. I don't think we should try to figure everything out before we start though. I think it would be good to have a simple starting plan and we hill climb from there in search of a more optimal way of operating. I don't like the idea of enabling github issue with no consensus that the goal is to transition away from Jira. Leaving things in that state for a long period seems bad to me. If we start with the consensus to transition, its possible we may decide not to and that ok. I don't think any action needs to be taken now for that eventuality. We can figure that out as we go during the transition period. > > > On 2/14/18 10:29 PM, Christopher wrote: >> >> Can you elaborate on what kind of human controls you mean? What if a user >> finds the GH issues and creates an issue there? What action should the >> developers take? >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM Josh Elser wrote: >> >>> I didn't ask for automated controls here -- human controls are fine. >>> >>> I have already said I am -1 on two concurrent issue trackers. If >>> developers want to evaluate them, that's fine. >>> >>> On 2/14/18 10:12 PM, Christopher wrote: I don't think we have the ability to lock out non-committers from >>> >>> creating new GH issues if we enable them, nor do I think it would make sense to do so, since that's a valuable use case to consider during any trial period before shutting off JIRA. As for switching immediately to GH issues for non-primary repo (-website, -examples, -docker, etc...) I think that makes sense since those are already confusing when filed in the JIRA mixed in with the main repo's issues. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM Josh Elser wrote: > I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear > guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a > full-switch on the other repos. > > On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: >> >> We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos >> (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two >>> >>> decide >> >> to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the > > confusion >> >> of having 2 trackers for one repository. >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walch wrote: >> >>> +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. > > This >>> >>> period could be limited to a month or two. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher > > wrote: >>> >>> What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub > > to determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA >>> >>> later? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser >>> >>> wrote: > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful > that > > it > > necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues >>> >>> if >>> >>> we > > turn off our JIRA use. > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: >> >> @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues >>> >>> completely? >> >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser >>> >>> wrote: >> >> >>> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. >>> >>> Using two issue trackers is silly. >>> >>> >>> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not >>> >>> to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. >>> >>> Unless there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. >> > >>> >> > >>> >> >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
The organic solution seems to have arisen from the Apache Software Foundation by way of their issue tracking system. Others have stated concerns already, so aside from doing this "for the people," would this also address a problem? "The contribution workflow using Jira is longer and more painful than the workflow using GitHub issues. This is not a big deal for large contributions but it adds up when you make a lot of small contributions. Creating a Jira account and using Jira is also a roadblock for Apache newbies. We should make it as easy as possible to contribute to Accumulo." This implies that JIRA is an impediment to contributions in some way. Do we think this will help solve that problem? Is that a real or imagined impediment to progress? On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Josh Elserwrote: > We tell users that try to file issues on the "unsupported" issue tracker > that they've created the issue in the wrong place and point them to the > right issue tracker. > > > On 2/14/18 10:29 PM, Christopher wrote: > >> Can you elaborate on what kind of human controls you mean? What if a user >> finds the GH issues and creates an issue there? What action should the >> developers take? >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM Josh Elser wrote: >> >> I didn't ask for automated controls here -- human controls are fine. >>> >>> I have already said I am -1 on two concurrent issue trackers. If >>> developers want to evaluate them, that's fine. >>> >>> On 2/14/18 10:12 PM, Christopher wrote: >>> I don't think we have the ability to lock out non-committers from >>> creating >>> new GH issues if we enable them, nor do I think it would make sense to do so, since that's a valuable use case to consider during any trial period before shutting off JIRA. As for switching immediately to GH issues for non-primary repo (-website, -examples, -docker, etc...) I think that makes sense since those are already confusing when filed in the JIRA mixed in with the main repo's issues. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM Josh Elser wrote: I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear > guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a > full-switch on the other repos. > > On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >> We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos >> (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two >> > decide >>> to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the >> > confusion > >> of having 2 trackers for one repository. >> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walch >> wrote: >> >> +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. >>> >> This > >> period could be limited to a month or two. >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher >>> >> wrote: > >> >>> What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub >>> to > >> determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA >>> later? >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser >>> wrote: >>> I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that > it > >> necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues > if >>> we >>> turn off our JIRA use. > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > >> @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues >> > completely? >>> >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser >> > wrote: >>> >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. >>> >>> Using two issue trackers is silly. >>> >>> >>> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: >>> >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not >>> to >>> replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. >>> Unless >>> there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. >> > >>> >> > >>> >>
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
We tell users that try to file issues on the "unsupported" issue tracker that they've created the issue in the wrong place and point them to the right issue tracker. On 2/14/18 10:29 PM, Christopher wrote: Can you elaborate on what kind of human controls you mean? What if a user finds the GH issues and creates an issue there? What action should the developers take? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM Josh Elserwrote: I didn't ask for automated controls here -- human controls are fine. I have already said I am -1 on two concurrent issue trackers. If developers want to evaluate them, that's fine. On 2/14/18 10:12 PM, Christopher wrote: I don't think we have the ability to lock out non-committers from creating new GH issues if we enable them, nor do I think it would make sense to do so, since that's a valuable use case to consider during any trial period before shutting off JIRA. As for switching immediately to GH issues for non-primary repo (-website, -examples, -docker, etc...) I think that makes sense since those are already confusing when filed in the JIRA mixed in with the main repo's issues. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM Josh Elser wrote: I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a full-switch on the other repos. On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two decide to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the confusion of having 2 trackers for one repository. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walch wrote: +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. This period could be limited to a month or two. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher wrote: What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser wrote: I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if we turn off our JIRA use. On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser wrote: I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. Using two issue trackers is silly. On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
The goal of my initial email was enable to GH issues and let the project organically decide to use it or not. If it became heavily used, we could turn off Jira and move over open issues. If problems arose with GH issues, we could move open GH issues back to Jira and disable it. If people don't want two issue trackers, we could hold a vote and pick one but I am a fan of letting the active contributors decide this over time by their choice of tool on a daily basis. On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 8:07 AM, Ed Coleman <d...@etcoleman.com> wrote: > Not sure where to jump in on this thread, but, I do not have any > preference for one tool or the other at this point - but would really just > want one. My concerns: > > Would we export the current Jira issues to GH Issues? Would we ""lose"" > past history, or would I need to search one tool or two to see if a > previous issue was opened or addressed. Would we, at a minimum, port open > issues to the new tool? > > Are we putting too many eggs in a single GH basket - what if we wanted / > needed to switch repositories in the future for any reason? > > Would this make it harder for others that are using other Apache projects > (say HADOOP, ZOOKEEPER) to determine, report or track issues across > multiple projects? What if they are contributors? Are there now different > work-flows for Accumulo than for other Apache projects? Does it make > contributing to Accumulo easier, harder, different? > > I'm not opposed to a change if there are clear, demonstrable benefits > beyond personal preferences - but I also have an affinity to continuity and > consistency. > > Ed Coleman > > -Original Message- > From: Christopher [mailto:ctubb...@apache.org] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 6:00 PM > To: dev@accumulo.apache.org > Subject: Re: Additional options for issue tracking > > What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to > determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser <els...@apache.org> wrote: > > > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that > > it necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues > > if we turn off our JIRA use. > > > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > > @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser <els...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > > >> > > >> Using two issue trackers is silly. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > > >> > > >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not > > >>> to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue > > >>> tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra > > >>> ticket this week. > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > > >
RE: Additional options for issue tracking
Not sure where to jump in on this thread, but, I do not have any preference for one tool or the other at this point - but would really just want one. My concerns: Would we export the current Jira issues to GH Issues? Would we ""lose"" past history, or would I need to search one tool or two to see if a previous issue was opened or addressed. Would we, at a minimum, port open issues to the new tool? Are we putting too many eggs in a single GH basket - what if we wanted / needed to switch repositories in the future for any reason? Would this make it harder for others that are using other Apache projects (say HADOOP, ZOOKEEPER) to determine, report or track issues across multiple projects? What if they are contributors? Are there now different work-flows for Accumulo than for other Apache projects? Does it make contributing to Accumulo easier, harder, different? I'm not opposed to a change if there are clear, demonstrable benefits beyond personal preferences - but I also have an affinity to continuity and consistency. Ed Coleman -Original Message- From: Christopher [mailto:ctubb...@apache.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 6:00 PM To: dev@accumulo.apache.org Subject: Re: Additional options for issue tracking What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser <els...@apache.org> wrote: > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that > it necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues > if we turn off our JIRA use. > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser <els...@apache.org> wrote: > > > >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > >> > >> Using two issue trackers is silly. > >> > >> > >> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > >> > >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not > >>> to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue > >>> tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra > >>> ticket this week. > >>> > >>> > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
Can you elaborate on what kind of human controls you mean? What if a user finds the GH issues and creates an issue there? What action should the developers take? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 10:27 PM Josh Elserwrote: > I didn't ask for automated controls here -- human controls are fine. > > I have already said I am -1 on two concurrent issue trackers. If > developers want to evaluate them, that's fine. > > On 2/14/18 10:12 PM, Christopher wrote: > > I don't think we have the ability to lock out non-committers from > creating > > new GH issues if we enable them, nor do I think it would make sense to do > > so, since that's a valuable use case to consider during any trial period > > before shutting off JIRA. > > > > As for switching immediately to GH issues for non-primary repo (-website, > > -examples, -docker, etc...) I think that makes sense since those are > > already confusing when filed in the JIRA mixed in with the main repo's > > issues. > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM Josh Elser wrote: > > > >> I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear > >> guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a > >> full-switch on the other repos. > >> > >> On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > >>> We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos > >>> (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two > decide > >>> to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the > >> confusion > >>> of having 2 trackers for one repository. > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > >>> > +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. > >> This > period could be limited to a month or two. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher > >> wrote: > > > What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub > >> to > > determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA > later? > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser > wrote: > > > >> I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that > >> it > >> necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues > if > we > >> turn off our JIRA use. > >> > >> On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > >>> @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues > completely? > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser > wrote: > >>> > I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > > Using two issue trackers is silly. > > > On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > > > I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not > to > > replace > > JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. > Unless > > there > > are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > >>> > >> > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
I didn't ask for automated controls here -- human controls are fine. I have already said I am -1 on two concurrent issue trackers. If developers want to evaluate them, that's fine. On 2/14/18 10:12 PM, Christopher wrote: I don't think we have the ability to lock out non-committers from creating new GH issues if we enable them, nor do I think it would make sense to do so, since that's a valuable use case to consider during any trial period before shutting off JIRA. As for switching immediately to GH issues for non-primary repo (-website, -examples, -docker, etc...) I think that makes sense since those are already confusing when filed in the JIRA mixed in with the main repo's issues. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM Josh Elserwrote: I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a full-switch on the other repos. On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two decide to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the confusion of having 2 trackers for one repository. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walch wrote: +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. This period could be limited to a month or two. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher wrote: What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser wrote: I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if we turn off our JIRA use. On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser wrote: I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. Using two issue trackers is silly. On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
I don't think we have the ability to lock out non-committers from creating new GH issues if we enable them, nor do I think it would make sense to do so, since that's a valuable use case to consider during any trial period before shutting off JIRA. As for switching immediately to GH issues for non-primary repo (-website, -examples, -docker, etc...) I think that makes sense since those are already confusing when filed in the JIRA mixed in with the main repo's issues. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 9:25 PM Josh Elserwrote: > I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear > guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a > full-switch on the other repos. > > On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: > > We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos > > (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two decide > > to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the > confusion > > of having 2 trackers for one repository. > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > > > >> +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. > This > >> period could be limited to a month or two. > >> > >> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher > wrote: > >> > >>> What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub > to > >>> determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? > >>> > >>> On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser wrote: > >>> > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that > it > necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if > >> we > turn off our JIRA use. > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser > >> wrote: > > > >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > >> > >> Using two issue trackers is silly. > >> > >> > >> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > >> > >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to > >>> replace > >>> JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. > >> Unless > >>> there > >>> are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > >>> > >>> > > > > >>> > >> > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
I am OK with committers ONLY using GH issues on all repos (with clear guidance as to what the heck the project is doing) or doing a full-switch on the other repos. On 2/14/18 7:00 PM, Mike Miller wrote: We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two decide to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the confusion of having 2 trackers for one repository. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walchwrote: +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. This period could be limited to a month or two. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher wrote: What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser wrote: I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if we turn off our JIRA use. On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser wrote: I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. Using two issue trackers is silly. On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
We could do a trial period of GitHub issues for the accumulo sub-repos (accumulo-website, accumulo-examples...) then after a month or two decide to switch or not. That way we won't have duplicate issues or the confusion of having 2 trackers for one repository. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Mike Walchwrote: > +1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. This > period could be limited to a month or two. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopher wrote: > > > What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to > > determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser wrote: > > > > > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it > > > necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if > we > > > turn off our JIRA use. > > > > > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > > > @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? > > > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser > wrote: > > > > > > > >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > > > >> > > > >> Using two issue trackers is silly. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > > > >> > > > >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to > > > >>> replace > > > >>> JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. > Unless > > > >>> there > > > >>> are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
+1 I think it makes sense to try out GitHub before shutting off JIRA. This period could be limited to a month or two. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:59 PM, Christopherwrote: > What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to > determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elser wrote: > > > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it > > necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if we > > turn off our JIRA use. > > > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > > @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser wrote: > > > > > >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > > >> > > >> Using two issue trackers is silly. > > >> > > >> > > >> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > > >> > > >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to > > >>> replace > > >>> JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless > > >>> there > > >>> are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > > >>> > > >>> > > > > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
What if we had an interim transition period, tentatively using GitHub to determine it's suitability for our workflows, and shut off JIRA later? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 5:51 PM Josh Elserwrote: > I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it > necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if we > turn off our JIRA use. > > On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: > > @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? > > > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elser wrote: > > > >> I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > >> > >> Using two issue trackers is silly. > >> > >> > >> On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > >> > >>> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to > >>> replace > >>> JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless > >>> there > >>> are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > >>> > >>> > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
I disagree with Mike in that I don't find JIRA to be so painful that it necessitates us changing, but I wouldn't block a move to GH issues if we turn off our JIRA use. On 2/14/18 4:29 PM, Mike Drob wrote: @josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elserwrote: I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. Using two issue trackers is silly. On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
Nobody thought it was silly when we were using more than one review mechanism (reviewboard + GitHub + comments on patches attached to JIRA). I don't think enabling the feature is the same as mandating anybody use it, especially for the secondary repos like the website, the docker repo, and examples. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:26 PM Josh Elserwrote: > I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > > Using two issue trackers is silly. > > On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > > I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to > replace > > JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless > there > > are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
+1 to enabling the feature... so we can see how it works, and especially so we can use it with the sub-project repos, like the website and examples, whose issues are confusing when mixed in with the main Accumulo repo's issues. I'm not in favor of mandating a switch to using these GitHub features... but I'm a strong +1 to enabling it to see how things go. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:31 PM Mike Walchwrote: > I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace > JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there > are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
@josh - How do you feel about move from JIRA to GH Issues completely? On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Josh Elserwrote: > I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. > > Using two issue trackers is silly. > > > On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: > >> I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to >> replace >> JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless >> there >> are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. >> >>
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
I believe I already stated -1 the last time this was brought up. Using two issue trackers is silly. On 2/14/18 3:30 PM, Mike Walch wrote: I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week.
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
The contribution workflow using Jira is longer and more painful than the workflow using GitHub issues. This is not a big deal for large contributions but it adds up when you make a lot of small contributions. Creating a Jira account and using Jira is also a roadblock for Apache newbies. We should make it as easy as possible to contribute to Accumulo. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:46 PM, Michael Wallwrote: > While I love github issues, I do have concerns about 2 separate issue > tracking systems. Can you elaborate on what you are trying to solve? > Let's make sure we give everyone time to discuss before making this change. > > On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:31 PM Mike Walch wrote: > > > I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to > replace > > JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless > there > > are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. > > >
Re: Additional options for issue tracking
While I love github issues, I do have concerns about 2 separate issue tracking systems. Can you elaborate on what you are trying to solve? Let's make sure we give everyone time to discuss before making this change. On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 3:31 PM Mike Walchwrote: > I want to enable GitHub issues for Accumulo's repos. This is not to replace > JIRA but to give contributors more options for issue tracking. Unless there > are objections, I will create an infra ticket this week. >