Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

Hi, On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 at 08:06, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > That's perfectly ok but then the candidates for those Release > Candidate Releases need to be named in a different way to avoid > confusion. I think Voting Candidates is less confusing than Release > Candidate Candidate... Yes,

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:07 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > ...in the NetBeans > ecosystem, a 'release candidate' is something different to what it is in > Apache Yes that's the key here, Netbeans is *releasing* things named "Release Candidate", as one can see at

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:43:05 -0700 Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > I think there is nothing wrong with this additional tag. It makes > sense. > > The 9.0 tag has been created and uploaded to the GitHub repository. Thank you very much -- William L. Thomson Jr. pgpZFce2mw_8E.pgp Description:

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

Well, nice, and it makes sense, and if this helps to solve this, excellent too. We could/should revisit the -vc naming, I think -- maybe for the next release, and try to follow the Apache way of doing this, to avoid this confusion. Gj On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:43 PM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

I think there is nothing wrong with this additional tag. It makes sense. The 9.0 tag has been created and uploaded to the GitHub repository. On 10/12/2018 11:22 AM, William L. Thomson Jr. wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:07:45 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: Just bear in mind that we're new to

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

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Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

You already do know the reason why. I told you already -- in the NetBeans ecosystem, a 'release candidate' is something different to what it is in Apache. I can explain it all, but there's no point -- we didn't want to confuse things and we were confused ourselves, since again, all of this is new

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:47:23 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I don't think there's a need to point to Wikipedias about what a > software release cycle is, do you? :-) I was just trying to express any wiki page I would create on netbeans tagging would follow that format _dev, _alpha, _beta,

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:31:53 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > No one imposed anything. No, contacting mentors and discussing with > individual people off-thread is not how Apache projects work. > > We have a long history in NetBeans outside Apache where we used the > term 'release candidate' to

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

No one imposed anything. No, contacting mentors and discussing with individual people off-thread is not how Apache projects work. We have a long history in NetBeans outside Apache where we used the term 'release candidate' to mean something very different to how it is used in Apache, i.e., an

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:21:17 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > I think the main problem we're trying to solve with the -vc tag is > this: what happens when we start a vote thread and the vote fails for > some reason? Then we need to make a new voting candidate and start a > new vote thread. How

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 20:07:45 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > Just bear in mind that we're new to all this. Can you tone down your > exasperation and try to bear that in mind? Sorry, but I have repeatedly brought up this issue.

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

I think the main problem we're trying to solve with the -vc tag is this: what happens when we start a vote thread and the vote fails for some reason? Then we need to make a new voting candidate and start a new vote thread. How do we name these artefacts, i.e., how do we distinguish between them?

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

Just bear in mind that we're new to all this. Can you tone down your exasperation and try to bear that in mind? I think we should definitely revisit this, if it's causing problems and confusion, we could start a new thread to discuss this. Also, can you join this mailing list, right now I have

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 19:48:46 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > See the below: > > https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/692fee91f7e24dcfffa099593c758772216d130c21ca97c689a294f8@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E > > We've ended up following guidance from our mentors, there are simply > too many

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

See the below: https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/692fee91f7e24dcfffa099593c758772216d130c21ca97c689a294f8@%3Cdev.netbeans.apache.org%3E We've ended up following guidance from our mentors, there are simply too many conflicting points of view throughout Apache. The craziness had to stop and so

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018 07:14:58 +0200 Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > No YES > the Apache terminology is voting candidate. Just because Apache terminology is voting candidate. That does not mean it should be tagged as such. I package quite a few Apache projects. NONE use this crazy format of -vc*.

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

Well, let's not complicate things, I think. And, yes, there's always a chance the first candidate is the winner. Gj On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 9:21 AM Neil C Smith wrote: > On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, 06:15 Geertjan Wielenga, > wrote: > > > No, the Apache terminology is voting candidate. That's what this

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

On Wed, 3 Oct 2018, 06:15 Geertjan Wielenga, wrote: > No, the Apache terminology is voting candidate. That's what this is ... > Surely this would be good as beta or release candidate? Voting candidate is only the mark of the release before it gets voted through. And I'm assuming this won't be

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

No, the Apache terminology is voting candidate. That's what this is and please take a look again at the NetCAT schedule, i.e., this voting candidate is for NetCAT: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/NETBEANS/NetCAT+10.0+Schedule Thanks, Gj On Wed, Oct 3, 2018 at 7:06 AM László

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

I meant: I'm not sure that we need to vote on this. It's more like a beta. Shouldn't we have called it beta at first? Just for the further release processes... On Tue, Oct 2, 2018, 17:54 Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > -1 > > Well, I've used Emilian's mail as a template, I'm sure that we actually >

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

Before the PPMC vote, there’s the NetCAT process first. See the NetCAT schedule. Very many thanks for putting the vc1 together. Awesome. Now we have a common basis for kicking the tires, identifying problems, and doing NetCAT. But it is too early for the PPMC vote. Gj On Wednesday, October 3,

Re: [VOTE] Release Apache Netbeans 10.0 (incubating) [vote candidate 1]

-1 Well, I've used Emilian's mail as a template, I'm sure that we actually need to vote this time. There will be more candidates on the road, but let's the tests begin! On 10/02/2018 05:49 PM, Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: Hi all, Please vote on releasing Apache NetBeans 10.0 (incubating)! If