Re: Orphaned python2-matplotlib

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 1 Oct 2018 at 11:36, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 1.10.2018 17:32, Jason L Tibbitts III wrote: > >> "MH" == Miro Hrončok writes: > > > > MH> I've orphaned python2-matplotlib. Nobody replied to my previous > > MH> heads up e-mails. > > > > So that nobody is confused by this, the python2

Fedora Infrastructure Planned Outage 2018-10-03

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
tl;dr: All Fedora Infrastructure systems will be updated and rebooted over this week. Systems that can be done outside of the planned outage. 2018-10-01 21:00 UTC Staging and downloads 2018-10-02 throughout the 'day' single proxies will be updated/rebooted. 2018-10-03 production systems including

Fedora Infrastructure Planned Outage 2018-10-03

2018-10-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
l;dr: All Fedora Infrastructure systems will be updated and rebooted over this week. Systems that can be done outside of the planned outage. 2018-10-01 21:00 UTC Staging and downloads 2018-10-02 throughout the 'day' single proxies will be updated/rebooted. 2018-10-03 production systems including a

Re: updates not pushed stable prior to f29 freeze

2018-10-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 at 10:05, Kalev Lember wrote: > > On 10/12/2018 03:51 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > > Stephen Gallagher wrote: > > > >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2018 at 9:39 AM Rex Dieter wrote: > >>> > >>> I've 2 bodhi updates that were submitted for batched/stable prior to the > >>> freeze, will these get

Re: Fedora should replace mailing lists with Discourse

2018-10-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 at 15:05, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > I'm not able to parse this. This very thread is more information that > > may get us to move it up in priority. Can you rephrase? > > I don't know what "Fedora management" values, or what is needed by the > people who are doing the

Re: [Test-Announce] Fedora 29 Final is GO

2018-10-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 26 Oct 2018 at 15:16, Matthew Miller wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 26, 2018 at 12:59:24PM -0400, Ben Cotton wrote: > > > Just a query, Does XFCE Fedora 29 spin is removed? > > > It is not visible here > > > https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/stage/29_RC-1.2/Spins/x86_64/iso/ > > See > > https:

Re: Spam/scam links in bugzilla

2018-11-01 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
I have forwarded this to the Bugzilla owner. Thank you for the research on this. On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:20, Alexander Ploumistos wrote: > > Hello, > > A few minutes ago I was notified about a post in a closed bug. It > turns out that the account that made the post has been sporadically > spammin

Re: Ursa Major (modules in buildroot) enablement

2018-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 at 11:14, Justin Forbes wrote: > > This is related to an open ticket to Release Engineering > (https://pagure.io/releng/issue/7840) which was brought to FESCo > (https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/2003). We understand the need to > enable this, but there is an impact to workflow for

Re: libmodulemd is missing from EPEL7 branch

2018-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 8 Nov 2018 at 23:19, Qixiang Wan wrote: > > Hi, > > This is for an issue we encountered while building Ursa-Major on EPEL7 > branch [1], the build task failed due to missing libmodulemd, seems > libmodulemd was retired on EPEL7 because it's available in RHEL7.6, > but our buildroot is stil

Re: Orphaning/Intent to orphan the entire pulp stack

2018-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 09:39, Patrick Creech wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-11-13 at 07:56 +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > On 12. 11. 18 22:37, Patrick Creech wrote: > > > The pulp team is orphaning the pulp 2 stack in fedora's repositories. > > > > > > The upstream project is focusing the majority of it'

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 13 Nov 2018 at 19:27, Matthew Miller wrote: > > > Hi everyone! Let's talk about something new and exciting. Since its > first release fifteen years ago, Fedora has had a 13-month lifecycle > (give or take). That works awesomely for many cases (like, hey, we're > all here), but not for ever

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 11:45, wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 5:36 PM, Matthew Miller > wrote: > > But there are some good cases for a longer lifecycle. For one thing, this has > been a really big blocker for getting Fedora shipped on hardware. Second, > there are people who really could be

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-14 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 16:03, Ben Rosser wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 2:55 PM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > From what I have talked with in the past.. 3 years is their bare > > minimum and 7 is their what we really want. It usually takes the > > vendor about 3-

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 14 Nov 2018 at 11:34, wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > > Absolutely. Fedora once was a pretty solid end-user distro and fun-project > for devs. Now it has become an unstable, experimental "bleeding edge" distro > with a more and more balloning overhead

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 15 Nov 2018 at 07:48, Florian Weimer wrote: > > * Matthew Miller: > > > On Wed, Nov 14, 2018 at 10:30:06PM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > >> I love Fedora, but the idea that you can take a 3 year old Fedora and > >> put it out on the web is just bonkers. We don't have the manp

Re: Proposal: Faster composes by eliminating deltarpms and using zchunked rpms instead

2018-11-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 12:49, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 11:54 AM Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2018-11-17 at 22:30 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote: > > > Jonathan Dieter wrote: > > > > My proposal would be to make zchunk the rpm compression format for > > > > Fedora. > > >

Re: Fedora Lifecycles: imagine longer-term possibilities

2018-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 at 17:20, Neal Gompa wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 5:08 PM Orion Poplawski wrote: > > > > On 11/18/18 2:29 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > > > I'm not for or against a longer Fedora lifecycle, but I think we need > > > a stronger statement of what the problem is we're try

Re: Broken EPEL updates due to Centos 7.6 delay?

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 01:03, Christopher wrote: > > Anybody know what's going on with Centos 7.6-1810? > Some packages in EPEL depend on it, but it is apparently not yet available. > This discrepancy is breaking yum updates for me. > This isn't a Fedora development issue. Please refer this to th

Re: Broken EPEL updates due to Centos 7.6 delay?

2018-11-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 11:00, Christopher wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 7:12 AM Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 at 01:03, Christopher > > wrote: > > > > > > Anybody know what's going on with Centos 7.6-1810? >

Re: [Fedora-packaging] Package naming question

2017-12-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 6 December 2017 at 05:33, Michal Sekletar wrote: > On Tue, Dec 5, 2017 at 1:07 PM, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > >> We have solved this years ago. man alternatives > > alternatives is a terrible solution if you ask me. Symlink hackery in > /etc/alternatives is awful and I these days with Fedora kernel

Re: What to I have to do....

2017-12-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 December 2017 at 11:40, Steve Dickson wrote: > > > On 12/08/2017 11:12 AM, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: >> Well, I'd say this works great. There's maybe a hundred or two hundred >> proven packagers and somehow none of them decide to mess up the kernel >> any day. In fact, the commits wh

Re: Trying to contact developer Axel Thimm

2017-12-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 26 October 2017 at 19:13, R P Herrold wrote: > On Fri, 27 Oct 2017, Michael Schwendt wrote: > >> twitter users could try @athimm > > I already sent a .@ message to that account > > -- Russ herrold Did anyone receive a reply back from Axel on this? We are still seeing rejected emails from his

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 December 2017 at 13:08, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Dec 18, 2017 at 09:55:26AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> I think we should be concerned by this kind of behaviour on the part of >> the supplier of our default desktop browser, and we should express that >> concern to them. Assuming

Re: Firefox "Looking Glass" fiasco

2017-12-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 December 2017 at 15:42, Gerald B. Cox wrote: >> And in any case, a tie-in with a television-show related game is >> clearly neither telemetry nor some kind of user interaction study. Yet >> to me, Mozilla's response does not seem to convey understanding of this >> at all. It basically just

Re: F28 System Wide Change: AArch64 Server Promotion

2018-01-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 January 2018 at 12:28, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 09:16:05AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> A significant miss here is 'testing'. Making an arch primary means we >> need to ensure we have the necessary resources to run all the relevant >> validation testing. > > Are the

Re: F28 System Wide Change: AArch64 Server Promotion

2018-01-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 January 2018 at 13:03, Jonathan Dieter wrote: > On Mon, 2018-01-08 at 12:53 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> On 8 January 2018 at 12:28, Matthew Miller >> wrote: >> > On Mon, Jan 08, 2018 at 09:16:05AM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote: >> > > A significa

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Rename "nobody" user

2018-01-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 10 January 2018 at 08:50, Neal Gompa wrote: > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 5:46 AM, Jan Kurik wrote: >> The new mapping for nobody:nobody would be implemented in two redundant ways: >> * as a static allocation in /etc/passwd and /etc/group managed by setup.rpm >> * dynamically provided by the

Re: Security updates and batched pushes

2018-01-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 10 January 2018 at 14:23, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> On Jan 9, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >>> On 01/08/2018 10:53 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: >>> Kevin Fenzi wrote: Well, if this firefox update was urgent, shouldn't it have been marked urgent? >>> >>> Urgency is always in t

Re: Security updates and batched pushes

2018-01-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 10 January 2018 at 14:46, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 11:38 AM, Stephen John Smoogen > wrote: >> >> On 10 January 2018 at 14:23, Andrew Lutomirski wrote: >> >> On Jan 9, 2018, at 9:59 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> &

Re: F28 System Wide Change: Rename "nobody" user

2018-01-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 15 January 2018 at 15:37, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Mon, 2018-01-15 at 10:53 -0500, Steve Dickson wrote: > >> Googling 'linux nobody uid' it appears nobody is a uid used by apps >> that don't want to run as root. In case they got hacked the would >> not have root privileges, but with SElinux

Re: Proposal to remove NetworkManager from Core group

2018-01-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 January 2018 at 03:28, David Demelier wrote: > Hello all, > > Since systemd-networkd is a mature network system daemon nowadays, > NetworkManager can be avoided in many cases where people do not need > desktop features. > > I propose to remove NetworkManager from the “Core” group and mark it

Re: Python3 will be in next major RHEL release, please adjust %if statements accordingly

2018-01-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 January 2018 at 13:45, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Thu, Jan 18, 2018 at 07:32:07PM +0100, Miro Hrončok wrote: >> Once there is a new EPEL version out there, it is very likely both >> pythons will be available there as well. > > Given that Python 2 is going EOL in about two years, I don't thin

Re: EPEL support in "master" branch (aka speeding up Fedora development)

2018-01-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 20 January 2018 at 06:27, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > > Even if people hope next version of EL will be better in this, it doesn't mean > that el6/el7 can be fixed easily. > > > Why I'm writing this? I want to hear from you if you think it would be good to > prohibit (or advise, or whatever mechani

Re: make yum repo when we build things in koji

2018-01-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 19 January 2018 at 22:53, Dusty Mabe wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 01/19/2018 10:39 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> [harry@srv-rhsoft:~]$ cat /etc/yum.repos.d/koji.repo >> [koji] >> name=Koji Repo >> baseurl=https://koji.fedoraproject.org/repos/f$releas

Re: EPEL support in "master" branch (aka speeding up Fedora development)

2018-01-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 20 January 2018 at 21:00, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 20 January 2018 at 23:26, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > [..] >> >> As EPEL is the only reason I stay in Fedora.. I would like to make >> sure it doesn't cause developers that much problems. As such I would >

Re: Wyland is a disaster

2018-01-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 January 2018 at 14:06, Howard Howell wrote: > On Sun, 2018-01-21 at 15:25 +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote: >> Folks, please move this discussion to us...@lists.fedoraproject.org. >> ___ >> devel mailing list -- devel@lists.fedoraproject.org >> To unsubs

Re: EPEL support in "master" branch (aka speeding up Fedora development)

2018-01-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 January 2018 at 15:07, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 21 January 2018 at 17:26, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> >> On 20 January 2018 at 21:00, Tomasz Kłoczko >> wrote: >> > On 20 January 2018 at 23:26, Stephen John Smoogen >> > wrote: >> > [.

Re: EPEL analyse/observation, some question, PR proposals/questions and more ..

2018-01-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 January 2018 at 15:54, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > As preface some oneliner result: > > 8) Why we have %{centos} %ifings? Theoretically Centos is EL derivate up to > ABI level so all this should be: > > a) removed > b) replaced by %{el6} and %{el7} (and if it is anything older .. remove) > c) i

Re: EPEL analyse/observation, some question, PR proposals/questions and more ..

2018-01-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 January 2018 at 00:29, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 22 January 2018 at 03:10, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> >> On 21 January 2018 at 15:54, Tomasz Kłoczko >> wrote: > > [..] >> >> > 8) Why we have %{centos} %ifings? Theoretically Centos is EL deri

Re: EPEL analyse/observation, some question, PR proposals/questions and more ..

2018-01-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 January 2018 at 12:21, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 22 January 2018 at 15:53, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > [,,] >> >> > OK so here you just gave me +1 for a). Thx. >> > >> >> No I didn't. It is clear that our versions of English are not sy

Re: Wyland is a disaster

2018-01-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 January 2018 at 14:42, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 21 January 2018 at 14:06, Howard Howell wrote: >> On Sun, 2018-01-21 at 15:25 +0100, Igor Gnatenko wrote: >>> Folks, please move this discussion to us...@lists

Re: Fedora27: NFS v4 terrible write performance, is async working

2018-01-30 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 30 January 2018 at 03:12, Petr Pisar wrote: > On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 08:31:05AM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 30.01.2018 um 08:25 schrieb Petr Pisar: > > > On 2018-01-29, J. Bruce Fields wrote: > > > > The file create isn't allowed to return until the server has created > the > > > > fi

Outage: Switch Outage - 2018-02-11 15:00 UTC

2018-02-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
There will be an outage starting at 2018-02-11 15:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2018-02-11 15:00 UTC' Reason for outage: The network switches in our PHX2 colocation requir

Re: Fedora27: NFS v4 terrible write performance, is async working

2018-02-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 13 February 2018 at 02:01, Terry Barnaby wrote: >> Yes: http://nfs.sourceforge.net/#faq_a8 >> >> --b. > > > Quite right, it was network limited (disk vs network speed is about the > same). Using a slower USB stick disk shows that fsync() is not working with > a NFSv4 "async" export. > > But wh

Re: Should we have a release manager for each release? (or, "who owns rawhide"?)

2018-02-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 15 February 2018 at 17:39, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2018-02-15 at 17:34 -0500, Matthew Miller wrote: >> As shown at https://www.happyassassin.net/nightlies.html, we haven't >> had a successful compose for almost two weeks. AIUI this is mostly >> worked out now, but it raises the questio

Re: Removal of BuildRoot

2018-02-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 16 February 2018 at 03:14, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: > On Thu, Feb 15, 2018 at 7:44 PM, Jason L Tibbitts III > wrote: >>> "LT" == Luya Tshimbalanga writes: >> >> LT> When you get a chance, would you also update the spec guideline as >> LT> well? >> >> Which spec guideline did you mean? I

Re: Removal of BuildRoot

2018-02-18 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 February 2018 at 00:46, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > On 16 February 2018 at 15:50, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > [..] >> >> Even before EPEL-5 was EOL, very little of Fedora would compile out of >> >> the box and required massive amounts of %if and other hacks to

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 18 February 2018 at 12:09, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Over this weekend I've performed scratch-mass-rebuild without having gcc and > gcc-c++ in buildroot of all Fedora packages, many of which failed due to > random > reasons and I grepped all l

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 February 2018 at 02:08, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 07:21:43PM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> > List of packages and respective maintainers: >> > https://ignatenkobrain.fedorapeople.org/gcc-removal-pkgs.txt >> So this may no

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-21 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 21 February 2018 at 09:53, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > it's pretty easy: > > when you don't list your BuildRequires properly you depend on luck that they > are pulled by something else in the buildroot > OK I understand that, but where is the cutoff. Where as a packager should I stop adding th

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 February 2018 at 02:41, Igor Gnatenko wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On Wed, 2018-02-21 at 10:51 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> On 21 February 2018 at 09:53, Reindl Harald >> wrote: >> > >> > >> > i

Re: [ACTION NEEDED] Missing BuildRequires: gcc/gcc-c++

2018-02-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 February 2018 at 10:47, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 09:53:25AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> I am trying to figure out the special cases here. Why are some >> packages more equal than others. >> >> In the end, I am just tr

Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!

2018-03-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 3 March 2018 at 12:30, Timotheus Pokorra wrote: > Hello Farhad, > >> https://www.spinics.net/lists/fedora-devel/threads.html#241887 >> >> Please do something for this problem, it is really bad situation you >> are waiting for e-mails and check the web page several times but you >> don't see any

Re: Official archiver of Fedora mailing lists shows e-mails with one day delay!

2018-03-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 3 March 2018 at 14:00, Kevin Kofler wrote: > Stephen John Smoogen wrote: >> That is correct. They are just one of many archivers on the internet >> that get emails from Fedora and redisplay them. [This is one of the >> reasons why people who ask us to remove their ema

Re: Broken system upgrade due to rich dependencies

2018-03-07 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 7 March 2018 at 05:40, Jaroslav Mracek wrote: > Recently, several users report problems with system upgrade due to rich > dependencies that are not supported by RPM in Fedora 25, and not fully > supported by RPM in Fedora 26 (statement 'with'). Rich dependencies are > allowed and supported f

Re: Broken system upgrade due to rich dependencies

2018-03-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 March 2018 at 13:38, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > Le jeudi 08 mars 2018 à 17:57 +, Tom Hughes a écrit : >> >> No, it almost certainly means that laposte.net have announced via >> their DNS records that emails with laposte.net addresses should not >> be trusted unless they come direct from a l

Re: Broken system upgrade due to rich dependencies

2018-03-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 March 2018 at 15:32, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > On 8 March 2018 at 13:38, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: > I have spent this afternoon going through many of your emails and our > logs so I could find try to figure out what to help you. Coming back > and finding you blaming ever

Re: Re: Broken system upgrade due to rich dependencies

2018-03-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 8 March 2018 at 14:37, Tony Nelson wrote: > On 18-03-07 14:14:38, Nicolas Mailhot wrote: >> >> Le mercredi 07 mars 2018 à 12:18 -0500, Josh Boyer a écrit : >> > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Nicolas Mailhot >> > wrote: >> > > Le mercredi 07 ma

Re: Announcing DNF 3 development

2018-03-22 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 22 March 2018 at 17:49, John Reiser wrote: > On 03/22/2018 01:51 PM, Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >> On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 10:52 AM, John Reiser >> wrote: >>> >>> On 03/22/2018 05:40 AM, Daniel Mach wrote: We are pleased to announce that development of DNF 3 has started. This >

Re: F28 Self Contained Change: Stop building 389-ds-base on i686

2018-03-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 28 March 2018 at 03:58, Florian Weimer wrote: > On 03/28/2018 06:10 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: >> >> So, is this hardware limitation something that is likely to affect other >> packages? Is there something we could look for in how they consume >> atomic types to tell? I would hate for us to ship so

Re: F28 Self Contained Change: Stop building 389-ds-base on i686

2018-03-29 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On 29 March 2018 at 07:00, Tomasz Torcz wrote: > March 29, 2018 12:06 PM, "Peter Robinson" wrote: > >> On Thu, 29 Mar 2018, 16:24 Florian Weimer, wrote: >> >>> On 03/28/2018 08:48 PM, Tomasz Torcz 👁️ wrote: >>> > Note that while GCC produces broken code, this is actually an ABI bug, and

Re: Introducing vim-default-editor subpackage - replace nano as a default editor if wanted

2020-10-12 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020 at 08:44, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 12.10.2020 14:16, Neal Gompa wrote: > > 2. Having subpackages like this that conflict by name is going to get > > crazy really fast, so we need a virtual name to make RPM only permit > > one of them

Re: The future of legacy BIOS support in Fedora.

2020-10-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020 at 02:15, Subsentient wrote: > I figure I'll add my two cents for as little as that's worth. > > Personally, I use extlinux with a custom, barebones configuration. On my > EFI systems, I use syslinux EFI. I like the simplicity of syntax for > syslinux's configuration and how s

Re: bsd wtf (was Re: youtube-dl Copyright Violations)

2020-10-26 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 26 Oct 2020 at 13:33, Colin Walters wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020, at 12:16 PM, Tim Flink wrote: > > > > There is a maintained upstream for bsd-games [1] that has effectively > > forked the old codebase and trimmed out some of the bits which are not > > quite games including wtf (the

Re: EOL and Obsoletes in Modularity

2020-11-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 2 Nov 2020 at 06:55, Miro Hrončok wrote: > On 11/2/20 12:33 PM, Daniel Mach wrote: > > Then there's a question how to get the documents into modules.yaml. From > my > > perspective, it's up to Fedora infra/releng/packaging people. Whether it > should > > be in dist-git, git repo (similar

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove make from BuildRoot (System-Wide Change)

2020-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:52, wrote: > The make package use 539k of space. And for gcc + C++ it's more than 30 Mo. > Does it really worth the effort on changing all the dependent packages ? > > Personally I am getting tired of this death of the buildroot by a million cuts. Could we just 'engineer'

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove make from BuildRoot (System-Wide Change)

2020-11-05 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 09:42, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Nov 05, 2020 at 08:57:32AM -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Nov 2020 at 08:52, wrote: > > > > > The make package use 539k of space. And for gcc + C++ it's more than > 30 Mo. > >

Re: Recompiling Packages with Optimization Flags

2020-11-08 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 8 Nov 2020 at 02:36, Joseph D Wagner wrote: > Forgive me if this is the wrong spot to ask. > > I'm doing some CPU intensive work, and I'd like to optimize a few > packages. Even if it's only a 5% gain, it will add up over many > hours/days of continuous runtime. > > Back in the day, I co

Planned Outage: 2020-11-11 21:00 UTC Fedora Services

2020-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
There will be an outage starting at 2020-11-11 21:00UTC, which will last approximately 6 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2017-05-03 21:00UTC' Reason for outage: Apply updates and new kernels for all

Re: Planned Outage: 2020-11-11 21:00 UTC Fedora Services

2020-11-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 at 17:31, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > There will be an outage starting at 2020-11-11 21:00UTC, > which will last approximately 6 hours. > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto > or r

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers (see note about xinetd)

2020-11-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 10:01, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Petr Pisar said: > > I believe it's unlikely that somobody will adopt xinetd. It was orphaned > > because its maintainer orphaned all his packages. > > Are there replacements for the old services built in to xinetd? It's a > s

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at 18:53, Kevin Kofler via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > Well, except, it clearly *does* work that way. We have many > > lightly-maintained packages in practice. > > Do we really? Which are those packages? > > The one that keeps getti

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove and deprecate nscd in favour of sssd and systemd-resolved (Self-Contained Change)

2020-11-15 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 18:37, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/15/20 7:31 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote: > > Implementing this does not come without drawbacks though: right now > > resolved tries hard to use the same server if at all possible, since > > we want to use newer DNS features if possible, but

Re: Fedora 34 Change proposal: Remove and deprecate nscd in favour of sssd and systemd-resolved (Self-Contained Change)

2020-11-16 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 15 Nov 2020 at 19:26, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen said: > > Because a lot of networks use routing tricks to send traffic to > particular > > DNS server IP addresses. They may round robin, traffic route, or other > > methods to s

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 19.11.2020 18:34, Radka Gustavsson wrote: > > >Rich, IRC is not being dropped, it is being bridged to modern, > > >"IRC-native" (for lack of better word in m

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 13:29, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 13:23 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 12:57, Richard W.M. Jones > wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 06:50:21PM +0100, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel > wrot

Re: video meeting to discuss Matrix/Element and IRC

2020-11-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 at 14:25, Adam Williamson wrote: > On Thu, 2020-11-19 at 14:15 -0500, Stephen John Smoogen wrote: > > > > My apologies for that misinformation. While a federated chat system is a > > network of servers for people being social, I should not tie them in

Re: Summary/Minutes from today's FESCo Meeting (2020-11-11)

2020-11-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 20 Nov 2020 at 02:58, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 19.11.2020 23:13, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Some packagers in Fedora do not have time to maintain the build > dependencies > > for the packages that they are actually interested in and have time to

Re: Mass spec file change: Adding BuildRequires: make

2020-12-03 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 3 Dec 2020 at 11:18, Tom Stellard wrote: > On 12/3/20 7:39 AM, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 3, 2020 at 4:35 PM Tom Stellard wrote: > >> > >> On 12/2/20 5:45 AM, Artem Tim wrote: > >>> How to quickly retest packages which listed here > https://fedorapeople.org/~tstellar/needs_br

Re: The future of Fedora Server (was Re: Fedora 34 Change: Make Fedora CoreOS a Fedora Edition (System-Wide Change))

2020-12-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 15:17, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Dec 04, 2020 at 02:51:45PM -0500, Josh Boyer wrote: > > It would be interesting if we had a set of use cases Fedora Server > > actually solves. So far in this thread we've seen people use it, but > > it reads to me like they use it to

Re: [EPEL-devel] Broken EPEL7 builds

2020-12-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 6 Dec 2020 at 10:08, Antonio T. sagitter wrote: > Hi everyone. > > EPEL7 builds are not executed due to this error: > > I am guessing you are talking about building packages in Fedora Infrastructure? Do you have a koji job we can point developers to? > DEBUG util.py:634: Traceback (

Re: Koji Offline - Infrastruture Status page says : all fine ?

2020-12-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 at 13:18, Marius Schwarz wrote: > > Hi, > > Koji has an Outtage. No Idea it it's planned or a failure. According to > https://status.fedoraproject.org/ ist should work. > > The page also says that things are manually done to that page. We have to stop working on fires to chang

Re: Proposal: drop "Test installation media" from live media

2020-12-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 00:29, przemek klosowski via devel < devel@lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote: > > On 12/16/20 5:38 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Wed, Dec 16, 2020 at 04:28:49PM -0500, przemek klosowski via devel wrote: > > I was trying to make a point that we don't have a way to check the init

Re: End of CentOS Linux: What about Fedora?

2020-12-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 04:45, Robin Opletal wrote: > I think this wouldn't be that much of a problem - what I think is bad is > that CentOS Stream security updates aren't going to come before RHEL's > will, and they will essentially be backported, at least as I understood > it. > > a) CentOS regu

Re: What is the most time consuming task for you as packager?

2020-12-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Dec 2020 at 04:14, Vít Ondruch wrote: > > Dne 16. 12. 20 v 21:56 Neal Gompa napsal(a): > > >>> Yes, that's a real pain. Can we just add everything to Koschei instead > >>> of having it opt-in? > >> Thats worth considering in the new year. I would like that. :) > >> > > I would apprecia

Re: Popularity contest for Fedora

2020-12-28 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 at 17:52, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 07:44:57PM +0100, clime wrote: > > I think we can simply parse server-side access logs to count package > > downloads, no? > > We can for our primary server, but most people get updates from mirrors > which we don't run

Re: Why lxd is not included in Fedora?

2020-08-02 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 2 Aug 2020 at 18:45, Sergio Belkin wrote: > > Hi! > Just out of curiosity, why is lxd not included in Fedora? > Thanks in advance! > A quick review of the development mailing lists sees the last person mentioning that they were working on packaging LXD was in 2016, and they only did it in

Re: Headsup: dbus 1.12.10-1.fc29 is missing systemd dbus.service file, breaking almost everything

2020-08-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 08:58, Kamil Paral wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 12:42 PM Mike Johnson wrote: >> >> Thank you for this headsup, I want to share some info too. I have found one >> site https://soclikes.com/buy-instagram-mentions-user-followers, here you >> can cheap get instagram menti

Re: Headsup: dbus 1.12.10-1.fc29 is missing systemd dbus.service file, breaking almost everything

2020-08-04 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 4 Aug 2020 at 09:37, Vitaly Zaitsev via devel wrote: > > On 04.08.2020 13:58, Kamil Paral wrote: > > So, how do we ban spammers from this list? CC devel-owner. > > Allow only CLA+1 group members to post messages. > I don't think mailman has any idea about group membership and I really don

Re: Respinning rawhide images every filesystem update?

2020-08-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 09:36, Alex Scheel wrote: > > I'm bumping this thread. This is still broken. > Please open a ticket at https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/new_issue and open new issue with an explanation of what is broken and where you are pulling from. If it is a fedora registry then i

Re: Respinning rawhide images every filesystem update?

2020-08-06 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 6 Aug 2020 at 10:05, Alex Scheel wrote: > > - Original Message - > > From: "Stephen John Smoogen" > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" > > , asch...@redhat.com > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 9:55:17 A

Re: Deprecation of Anaconda boot parameters without inst. prefix

2020-08-13 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 at 08:58, Fabio Valentini wrote: > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 2:16 PM wrote: > > > > Hello everyone, > > > > Anaconda team has decided to deprecate use of Anaconda kernel boot > > parameters without 'inst.' prefix. As you may already know you can > > specify Anaconda kernel boo

Re: Orphaned packages looking for new maintainers

2020-08-25 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Tue, 25 Aug 2020 at 15:58, Sérgio Basto wrote: > On Mon, 2020-08-24 at 12:25 +0200, Miro Hrončok wrote: > > usb_modeswitch > > any particular reason for usb_modeswitch be orphaned ? , i.e. is about > no maintainer ? or about is not used anymore ? > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/li

Re: services impact on startup times

2020-08-31 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Mon, 31 Aug 2020 at 09:39, John M. Harris Jr wrote: > On Monday, August 31, 2020 5:46:47 AM MST Peter Oliver wrote: > > > On Saturday, August 29, 2020 8:27:33 PM MST Chris Murphy wrote: > > > > > > Unless systemd timers run crontab entries, crond and atd cannot be > > > disabled. > > > > Why's

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-09 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 at 09:37, Björn Persson wrote: > Guido Aulisi wrote: > > IMHO we could package only the JDK and let the user use Java software > directly from upstream. > > Usually upstream means Apache, which is a trusted source, and Java users > are smart enough to manage the Java packages.

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-10 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 at 13:31, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 04:03:46PM +0200, Petr Pisar wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 02:35:13PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrangé wrote: > > > On Thu, Sep 10, 2020 at 01:50:55PM +0100, Joe Orton wrote: > > > > > > > 4. The benefit we want to p

Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)

2020-09-11 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 07:27, Mario Torre wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:04 AM Hans de Goede > wrote: > > > So for this tomcat needed for testing problem, I'm thinking that we > > might solve this in a very non Fedora way. Why not bundle the old > > tomcat-sources with the sources which nee

Re: maybe a path forward for java and modules? [was Re: The Future of the Java Stack (also regarding ELN and RHEL)]

2020-09-17 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 at 12:53, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Sep 11, 2020 at 11:01:00AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote: > > If one of the issues here can be stated as "we want buildroot-only > > packages because we don't want to maintain those packages to a high > > standard", it is demonstrably a

Re: Test machines for maintainers (was: btrfs and default page sizes (4k vs 64k))

2020-09-19 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sat, 19 Sep 2020 at 16:14, Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski < domi...@greysector.net> wrote: > Hi, Kevin. > > On Friday, 18 September 2020 at 19:46, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:08:46AM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote: > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2020 at 10:07 AM Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szme

Re: Fedora 33 - ssh clients - drop of PubkeyAcceptedKeyTypes=ssh-rsa

2020-09-20 Thread Stephen John Smoogen
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 13:12, Pavel Raiskup wrote: > After upgrade of one of my servers to F33, I noticed that I can not ssh to > one of my other servers running Debian 9 system (relatively freshly EOLed, > I need to do something about it). On F33 I always need to: > > $ ssh -oPubkeyAccepte

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