Neal Gompa wrote:
> It [libEI(S) support] is targeted for Plasma 6.1, with the first step
> written for kwin:
> https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/merge_requests/5412
For some definition of "written". This is still in draft state, and in
particular still missing authentication and filtering,
Allan via devel wrote:
> You need plasma-workspace-x11 too.
Note that plasma-workspace-x11 requires kwin-x11, so you do not explicitly
have to install kwin-x11, only plasma-workspace-x11 (though of course it
does not hurt to install kwin-x11 explicitly). plasma-workspace-x11 is the
main
On Tuesday, March 19, 2024 9:22:23 AM EDT Allan via devel wrote:
> > OK, but how do I run kwin-x11 instead of -wayland?
>
> You need plasma-workspace-x11 too.
Thanks. That did it.
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On Tue, Mar 19, 2024 at 6:49 AM Jonathan Wakely
wrote:
>
> On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 14:55, Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
> >
> > I have just found another essential feature that is missing in Plasma
> > Wayland:
>
> The big one for me is that Synergy and similar tools barrier and
> input-leap
On Tue, 20 Feb 2024 at 14:55, Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> I have just found another essential feature that is missing in Plasma
> Wayland:
The big one for me is that Synergy and similar tools barrier and
input-leap don't work under Wayland. I don't see that mentioned at
On Tue, 2024-03-19 at 14:22 +0100, Allan via devel wrote:
> På Tue, 19 Mar 2024 09:09:26 -0400
> "Garry T. Williams" skrev:
> > On Monday, March 18, 2024 4:46:01 PM EDT Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2024-03-18 at 16:17 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024
På Tue, 19 Mar 2024 09:09:26 -0400
"Garry T. Williams" skrev:
> On Monday, March 18, 2024 4:46:01 PM EDT Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > On Mon, 2024-03-18 at 16:17 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 4:06:46 AM EDT Kevin Kofler via
> > > devel wrote:
> > > > Garry T.
On Monday, March 18, 2024 4:46:01 PM EDT Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Mon, 2024-03-18 at 16:17 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 4:06:46 AM EDT Kevin Kofler via devel
> > wrote:
> > > Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > > > I hope my report can be resolved before I am forced
On Mon, 2024-03-18 at 16:17 -0400, Garry T. Williams wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 4:06:46 AM EDT Kevin Kofler via devel
> wrote:
> > Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > > I hope my report can be resolved before I am forced to use
> > > Wayland.
> >
> > You will not be forced to use Wayland.
On Wednesday, February 7, 2024 4:06:46 AM EDT Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Garry T. Williams wrote:
> > I hope my report can be resolved before I am forced to use Wayland.
>
> You will not be forced to use Wayland. Stay tuned.
In an effort to test a Wayland bug I reported upstream, I upgraded
Neal Gompa wrote:
> I know you're capable of filing requests for features on the KDE bug
> tracker, so if this is something you believe you need, then you should
> request it.
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=481584
(In case you wonder, I set the platform to "Manjaro" because that is what my
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 11:32 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Or 3. you could go ask for the feature to be exposed, because in
> > Wayland, we have more flexibility on how outputs are managed at all.
>
> Well, Plasma has had decades to get multiple outputs and scaling
Neal Gompa wrote:
> Or 3. you could go ask for the feature to be exposed, because in
> Wayland, we have more flexibility on how outputs are managed at all.
Well, Plasma has had decades to get multiple outputs and scaling working. It
has always been a lost cause. (At least for the one
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 03:54:54PM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> the smaller one and letterboxing the larger one as it should.) So this means
> 1. Wayland will never be suitable for my notebook, and 2. one of these days
> I am going to have to port Plasma Mobile to X11.
Or, uh, (3)
On Tue, Feb 20, 2024 at 9:55 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> I have just found another essential feature that is missing in Plasma
> Wayland: Under X11, I can scale outputs (at X11 level) ignoring the aspect
> ratio. This is essential to unify outputs with different aspect ratios.
> E.g., my
I have just found another essential feature that is missing in Plasma
Wayland: Under X11, I can scale outputs (at X11 level) ignoring the aspect
ratio. This is essential to unify outputs with different aspect ratios.
E.g., my notebook has a 1280×800 (8:5/16:10) display. Using xrandr --scale-
On Sun, Feb 11, 2024 at 1:50 AM Kilian Hanich wrote:
>
> Am 10.02.24 um 09:47 schrieb Neal Gompa:
> > Technically, turning off display sync completely is quite difficult
> > right now since the actual driver stack in Linux underneath everything
> > (both Wayland and X11) uses implicit sync right
Am 10.02.24 um 09:47 schrieb Neal Gompa:
Technically, turning off display sync completely is quite difficult
right now since the actual driver stack in Linux underneath everything
(both Wayland and X11) uses implicit sync right now (Linux kernel
drivers, Mesa drivers, etc.).
Interesting
W dniu 9.02.2024 o 20:25, Roy Bekken pisze:
I just booted Fedora-KDE-Live-x86_64-Rawhide-20240207.n.0.iso First
impression is great but I’ll start moving(fast) the welcome center
window around and the desktop randomly freezes from 30sec to 90ses.
This is on a 1080 with nouveau, im not sure if
On Saturday, 10 February 2024 01:11:03 CET Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> By the way, what that link does not mention when it talks about "multiple
> packages for the same thing" is browsers / web engines. The Spin ships
> several applications using QtWebEngine, e.g., KMail, so that engine is not
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 9:10 PM Kilian Hanich via devel
wrote:
>
>
>
> Am 09.02.24 um 18:28 schrieb Neal Gompa:
> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 12:16 PM Roy Bekken wrote:
> >>
> >> On fredag 9. februar 2024 17:41:33 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> >>> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
> >>>
>
Am 09.02.24 um 18:28 schrieb Neal Gompa:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 12:16 PM Roy Bekken wrote:
On fredag 9. februar 2024 17:41:33 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
On fredag 9. februar 2024 04:04:04 CET Steve Cossette wrote:
I am not gonna reply to
Neal Gompa wrote:
> Because Plasma Wayland... is just KDE Plasma.
But in the real world, users use applications that are not KDE or even Qt
applications (or ones that use old versions of Qt that will never natively
support Wayland, or old versions of other toolkits in the same situation,
such
Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
>> If Fedora is so great then why do I find stuff like this?
>> https://github.com/Zer0CoolX/Fedora-KDE-Minimal-Install-Guide
>>
>> 15 Forks and 167 Stars btw
>
> That is not a particularly good indication of popularity. Also,
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 2:25 PM Roy Bekken wrote:
>
> On fredag 9. februar 2024 18:28:15 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> > The difference is that we can actually do something about those issues
> > with Plasma Wayland when people report them. *Tons* of these kinds of
> > issues were fixed over the past 3
On fredag 9. februar 2024 18:28:15 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> The difference is that we can actually do something about those issues
> with Plasma Wayland when people report them. *Tons* of these kinds of
> issues were fixed over the past 3 years, and Plasma 6 brings a huge
> upgrade around this
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 12:16 PM Roy Bekken wrote:
>
> On fredag 9. februar 2024 17:41:33 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> > On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On fredag 9. februar 2024 04:04:04 CET Steve Cossette wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am not gonna reply to all of
On fredag 9. februar 2024 17:41:33 CET Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > On fredag 9. februar 2024 04:04:04 CET Steve Cossette wrote:
> >
> > > I am not gonna reply to all of that because all we are doing at this
> > > point
> > > is repeating
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 11:06 AM Roy Bekken wrote:
>
> On fredag 9. februar 2024 04:04:04 CET Steve Cossette wrote:
> > I am not gonna reply to all of that because all we are doing at this point
> > is repeating the same thing. But we are NOT stopping you from using x11.
> > You can either build
On fredag 9. februar 2024 04:04:04 CET Steve Cossette wrote:
> I am not gonna reply to all of that because all we are doing at this point
> is repeating the same thing. But we are NOT stopping you from using x11.
> You can either build it yourself and put it on a copr (it’s not like neal
> is
On Fri, 2024-02-09 at 13:21 +0100, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> On Friday, 9 February 2024 11:53:01 CET Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > so you agree that are giving the overhead to us (the people who
> > want
> > keep X11 as it is )
>
> Yes!!! OF COURSE!
>
> If you wanna maintain something you need to
On Friday, 9 February 2024 11:53:01 CET Sérgio Basto wrote:
> so you agree that are giving the overhead to us (the people who want
> keep X11 as it is )
Yes!!! OF COURSE!
If you wanna maintain something you need to handle the overhead! Not the other
way around!
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On Friday, 9 February 2024 04:15:17 CET Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Well, then kwin-x11 will also no longer depend on kwin
YE
> and your argument
> that it is a problem because it introduces a hard version lock will be moot.
Well, there would be no argument to be "moot" because there
On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 22:04 -0500, Steve Cossette wrote:
> I
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 9:51 PM Sérgio Basto
> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 20:43 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > > On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:33 PM Sérgio Basto
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 16:03 +0100,
Fabio Valentini wrote:
> Nobody can *force* the KDE Plasma maintainers to do *anything*, just
> like nobody can force *any* packager to do anything.
That is exactly why nobody should be allowed to force plasma-workspace-x11
and kwin-x11 out of the Fedora repository.
We are not forcing the KDE
Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> Yes. And the moment this: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/139
> gets implemented we will not have to remove anything.
Well, then kwin-x11 will also no longer depend on kwin and your argument
that it is a problem because it introduces a hard version lock
I
On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 9:51 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
> On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 20:43 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:33 PM Sérgio Basto
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 16:03 +0100, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> > > > We are not banning nor deleting anything.
On Thu, 2024-02-08 at 20:43 +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:33 PM Sérgio Basto
> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 16:03 +0100, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> > > We are not banning nor deleting anything. We are not _supporting_
> > > it.
> >
> >
> > you are removing
On Thu, Feb 08, 2024 at 08:43:52PM +0100, Fabio Valentini wrote:
>
> One thing that seems to be overlooked in many of the posts on this thread:
>
> Nobody can *force* the KDE Plasma maintainers to do *anything*, just
> like nobody can force *any* packager to do anything. Fedora a
> volunteer-run
On Thu, Feb 8, 2024 at 12:33 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
>
> On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 16:03 +0100, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> > We are not banning nor deleting anything. We are not _supporting_ it.
>
>
> you are removing X11 from the builds deliberately , when
> many people , members of Fedora on devel
On Thursday, 8 February 2024 20:21:19 CET Roy Bekken wrote:
> You mean the proposal from kde-sig that they wanted changing to plasma 6 and
> dropping X11 because they have no interest of supporting it?
>
Yes. Interest *and* resources.
> Don’t see why that should prevent someone else from
On torsdag 8. februar 2024 19:54:58 CET Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> On Thursday, 8 February 2024 12:33:29 CET Sérgio Basto wrote:
>
> > you are removing X11 from the builds deliberately ,
>
>
> Yes. And the moment this: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/139
> gets implemented we will
On Thursday, 8 February 2024 12:33:29 CET Sérgio Basto wrote:
> you are removing X11 from the builds deliberately ,
Yes. And the moment this: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/kwin/-/issues/139 gets
implemented we will not have to remove anything.
(remember that the Change Proposal was approved)
>
On 2/8/24 05:44 AM, Neal Gompa wrote:
The Wayland protocol in question is this one:
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/wayland-protocols/-/merge_requests/18
That said, even X11's version isn't widely supported. Typically,
support for this is plumbed through linking libSM, and GTK notably
On Wed, 2024-02-07 at 16:03 +0100, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> We are not banning nor deleting anything. We are not _supporting_ it.
you are removing X11 from the builds deliberately , when
many people , members of Fedora on devel mailing list, express that
they want have X11 , in fact we have
On Wed, Feb 7, 2024 at 11:12 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Steve Cossette wrote:
> > But to be fair as well, that doesn't exist on Windows (Windows can
> > reopen the programs you are working on but it doesn't save what you were
> > doing)
>
> And even that, it does not do automatically,
Steve Cossette wrote:
> But to be fair as well, that doesn't exist on Windows (Windows can
> reopen the programs you are working on but it doesn't save what you were
> doing)
And even that, it does not do automatically, it is an application feature to
request this through the registry.
Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> We are not banning nor deleting anything. We are not _supporting_ it.
You (folks) deleted the subpackages and filed a FESCo ticket requesting that
they be banned from (re)entering Fedora as separately-built packages
maintained by others.
Kevin Kofler
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Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
> To make it clear about this particular package:
>
> - we have _forgotten_ indeed to notify the maintainers on occasions.
> - why did we forget? because the KDE collection is close to 400 packages
> and despite our automation, we are humans and this kind of thing
On 2024-02-06 8:20 a.m., Roberto Ragusa wrote:
On 2/3/24 22:11, pgnd wrote:
Is there a way to see what gaps remain, which ones are being worked
on, and which ones
will be declared "not a gap - won't fix"?
I have a list of things I'm tracking. I've been reluctant to publish
it because people
On 2024-02-07 7:21 a.m., Peter Boy wrote:
I don't really want to get involved in this discussion. I don't use KDE, I
don't even use Fedora Desktop anymore. But there is one argument resp. strategy
that triggers me:
Am 07.02.2024 um 10:44 schrieb Michel Lind :
- KDE SIG likely also want
On Wednesday, 7 February 2024 13:21:15 CET Peter Boy wrote:
> If KDE Sig wants to attract users to Wayland, then the only good strategy is
> to make Wayland better than the previous way (i.e. Xorg) and promote that
> fact actively.
Does something make you think that we do not?
> Simply banning
On Sunday, 4 February 2024 03:55:42 CET Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> We (the KDE SIG and me) stopped being Friends when you (the KDE SIG)
> unilaterally decided to ban me from all your communication channels, a ban
> that has still not been lifted years after the alleged misconduct (on IRC
>
> Am 07.02.2024 um 14:40 schrieb Solomon Peachy via devel
> :
>
> you just conflated volunteer Free Software package
> maintainers with literal genocidal rapists and murders.
I am not arguing about the characteristics of maintainers or people and
actions, but about the fundamental
On Friday, 2 February 2024 00:38:56 CET Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> To make it clear about the situation of that particular package: The KDE SIG
> never notifies me in advance about kdepim bumps.
To make it clear about this particular package:
- we have _forgotten_ indeed to notify the
On Friday, 2 February 2024 00:49:19 CET Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> This can be solved with communication.
>
That is dealing with the situation your packages would cause, not solving it.
( I don't mean ill will, it just a statement)
> That said, if the KDE SIG does not want to have to
On Wednesday, 7 February 2024 05:07:28 CET Garry T. Williams wrote:
> I went to compose an E-mail message using kmail and its composer
> window and noticed it was broken.[*] I couldn't even find a bug
> report about this. I fear it's because many others just ignored the
> various bugs and went
On Saturday, 3 February 2024 17:52:42 CET Adam Williamson wrote:
> Why? This is the part I don't understand. Can you explain it in more
> detail? Thanks.
If we update plasma-workspace and kwin we are likely gonna break binary
compatibility with the proposed packages.
They will need to be
On Wed, Feb 07, 2024 at 01:21:15PM +0100, Peter Boy wrote:
> Unfortunately, some Fedora maintainers seem to take their cue from the
> missionaries and conquistadors of the 16th and 17th centuries and try
> fire and sword and coercion. A bad strategy in a free world.
Congratulations, you just
I don't really want to get involved in this discussion. I don't use KDE, I
don't even use Fedora Desktop anymore. But there is one argument resp. strategy
that triggers me:
> Am 07.02.2024 um 10:44 schrieb Michel Lind :
>
>
> - KDE SIG likely also want people to test Wayland, so defaulting to
That’s just kmail though. I have a similar issue, but kmail is just plain
broken in plasma 6 right now.
On Tue, Feb 6, 2024 at 11:08 PM Garry T. Williams
wrote:
> On Tuesday, 30 January 2024 08:07:25 EST Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 12:47:44PM +, Sérgio Basto wrote:
Michel Lind wrote:
> - KDE SIG wants to obsolete X11 packages on upgrade just once
> - Apart from the impact of that, this is actually standard packaging
> practice when subpackages are no longer offered otherwise the upgrade
> will break
> - If the obsolete indicates the NEVRA of the -x11
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 12:58:27AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Daniel P. Berrangé wrote:
> > The approved KDE change
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/KDE_Plasma_6 indicates the intent
> > for existing Plasma X11 installs to switch to Wayland during the upgrade
> > process.
> >
Garry T. Williams wrote:
> I hope my report can be resolved before I am forced to use Wayland.
You will not be forced to use Wayland. Stay tuned.
Kevin Kofler
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On Tuesday, 30 January 2024 08:07:25 EST Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 30, 2024 at 12:47:44PM +, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > Link to the FESCo ticket: https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/3165
> >
> > and I'm very upset
>
> Assume best intent first of all.
I quit trying to use Wayland a
On 2/3/24 22:11, pgnd wrote:
Is there a way to see what gaps remain, which ones are being worked on, and
which ones
will be declared "not a gap - won't fix"?
I have a list of things I'm tracking. I've been reluctant to publish
it because people will think that it's some kind of "general
On Tue, Feb 06, 2024 at 09:56:30AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 10:33:52AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> > On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 10:34:13AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > > > And even before that, things were already only limping along. That was
> > > >
On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 10:33:52AM +, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 10:34:13AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > > And even before that, things were already only limping along. That was
> > > happening for over a decade and in that timeframe *nobody* has wanted
>
On Sun, Feb 04, 2024 at 03:55:42AM +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> I can, though, speak for myself, and I am frankly surprised that you are
> offended by the tone of my messages.
Kevin, thank you for the way you're participating in this thread.
Your civil tone and patience and writing
On Mon, Feb 05, 2024 at 10:34:13AM +1000, Peter Hutterer wrote:
> > And even before that, things were already only limping along. That was
> > happening for over a decade and in that timeframe *nobody* has wanted
> > to step up and work on it. Wayland is the future because otherwise we
> > have no
Tom Seewald wrote:
> You were implying that Kevin was claiming to be an "unbiased observer" and
> that him being banned from the KDE SIG means he has ulterior motives for
> this beyond simply maintaining Plasma X11 packages.
To make this clear, my motivation for maintaining Plasma X11 packages is
Naheem Zaffar wrote:
> Wouldn't it be better to create a new totally different named SIG?
>
> Since bug reporting and crossover of people assuming it is official fedora
> plasma are the concerns, a totally independent named SIG and an
> independently named desktop should be considered serious
On Fri, Feb 02, 2024 at 11:08:15AM +, Neal Gompa wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 10:47 AM Peter Hutterer
> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 01, 2024 at 03:40:24PM +, Sérgio Basto wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2024-02-01 at 15:31 +0100, Leon Fauster via devel wrote:
> > > > Am 01.02.24 um 14:18 schrieb
On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 9:04 PM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Jonathan Bennett via devel wrote:
> > the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those kind of bans out
> > flippantly.
>
> That is what they want you to believe. Sure, this used to be the case, a few
> years ago.
>
On Sun, 4 Feb 2024, 23:16 Sérgio Basto, wrote:
> On Sun, 2024-02-04 at 03:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> > Neal Gompa wrote:
> > > It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to
> > > someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm
> > > disappointed in
On Sun, 2024-02-04 at 03:55 +0100, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Neal Gompa wrote:
> > It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to
> > someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm
> > disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin.
>
> I
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Steve Cossette wrote:
>> There's also a secondary thing that I feel hasn't been discussed here
>> though: I know work is being done right now to isolate the x11
>> components of plasma and add build-time options to strip out those
>> components. What happens when we
> I'm fairly certain you should be
> saying this to Kevin.
I'm fairly certain it applies to everyone involved.
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You were implying that Kevin was claiming to be an "unbiased observer" and that
him being banned from the KDE SIG means he has ulterior motives for this beyond
simply maintaining Plasma X11 packages.
Call it what you want, but it doesn't make for a constructive discussion.
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Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> The atmosphere on #fedora-kde IRC radically changed on 2020-07-13.
I also think that that date was not a coincidence, because shortly after
that date, the KDE SIG went through with such changes as:
* Wayland by default for Plasma,
* a push for KDE
On 2/4/24 14:16, Tom Seewald wrote:
On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel
Jumping to an accusation of bad faith, rather than addressing anything that
Kevin wrote, doesn't make for a productive discussion.
I'm fairly certain you should be saying this to Kevin.
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Jonathan Bennett via devel wrote:
> the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those kind of bans out
> flippantly.
That is what they want you to believe. Sure, this used to be the case, a few
years ago.
The atmosphere on #fedora-kde IRC radically changed on 2020-07-13. Until
then, it
On February 4, 2024 2:16:55 PM CST, Tom Seewald wrote:
>> On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel
>> >
>> Wait, you're banned from all the KDE channels in Fedora? I have no idea what
>> led to
>> that, though the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those kind
>>
> On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel
>
> Wait, you're banned from all the KDE channels in Fedora? I have no idea what
> led to
> that, though the KDE SIG doesn't have a track record of handing those kind of
> bans out
> flippantly. But regardless, that calls into
On February 3, 2024 8:55:42 PM CST, Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>Neal Gompa wrote:
>> It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to
>> someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm
>> disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin.
>
>I
Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Any press is good press? I believe that the coverage only hurts the
> reputation of the Fedora KDE SIG. If you see the discussions, many people
> are grabbing their virtual pitchforks, or silently switching distributions
> as a result of the news (even though it is
Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
> Then we will submit 10-15+ *-x11 packages for review. It can be done.
PS: Users will only have to install plasma-workspace-x11. If there is some
optional library that needs an ld.so.conf.d override or a plugin to support
X11, it can be conditionally dragged in
Steve Cossette wrote:
> There's also a secondary thing that I feel hasn't been discussed here
> though: I know work is being done right now to isolate the x11
> components of plasma and add build-time options to strip out those
> components. What happens when we (as-in, the KDE sig) split off
Neal Gompa wrote:
> It's extremely obvious that people want to use it. You replied to
> someone who did and denigrated their opinion. Frankly, I'm
> disappointed in your response as well as the tone of you and Kevin.
I cannot really speak for Sérgio. I do think his choice of words in the
(Not involved in any way here so feel free to ignore most of what I'm
saying)
Marc Deop i Argemí wrote on Sat, Feb 03, 2024 at 03:16:47PM +0100:
> - If a user decided to install the X11 package and has an issue: who do you
> think they are going to reach? who is gonna get the "bad publicity" for
On 2024-02-03 06:16, Marc Deop i Argemí wrote:
- As the packages stand right now, the KDE general updates will have to wait
for the proposed packages to be updated by their maintainers or we will have
to do the updates ourselves (which defeats completely the point of our change
proposal).
Why?
On 2/3/24 01:12 AM, Kevin Kofler via devel wrote:
Any interested people can already request comaintainership now (e.g., by
replying to this mail), and I will almost certainly grant it (though I will
have reservations about some specific types of requests, such as blanket
admin permissions for
On Friday, 2 February 2024 20:56:22 CET Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> regarding tracking (and taking) bugs, and
> lack of timely updates, for something as
> visible as the entire desktop.
Here you are highlighting some of my (I speak for me, not the KDE SIG) main
concerns:
- If a user decided to
On 2024-02-03 9:01 a.m., Björn Persson wrote:
Neal Gompa wrote:
It's extremely obvious that people want to use it.
It's extremely obvious that *some* people want to use Wayland. It's
equally obvious that some other people want to use X. It's also obvious
that certain people want to make
Neal Gompa wrote:
> It's extremely obvious that people want to use it.
It's extremely obvious that *some* people want to use Wayland. It's
equally obvious that some other people want to use X. It's also obvious
that certain people want to make *everybody else* use Wayland. On the
other hand I'm
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 1:05 PM Sérgio Basto wrote:
>
> On Fri, 2024-02-02 at 01:34 -0600, Jonathan Bennett via devel wrote:
> > Hey folks, outside observer, and long-time Fedora user weighing in
> > with
> > some thoughts. First off, I've been hyped to see Fedora lead the way
> > with finally
Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> So, just to be clear, and to eliminate any
> possible misinterpretation, you are
> stating this is a one-person show at
> this time?
The Fedora package review policy states that the submitter automatically
becomes the point of contact of the submitted packages. So, since
On Sat, Feb 3, 2024 at 2:32 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
>
> Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> > For something that has the potential to
> > impact KDE users that would choose to
> > remain on X11, I would absolutely hope
> > there is more than just you involved in
> > the effort (busses, and
Gary Buhrmaster wrote:
> For something that has the potential to
> impact KDE users that would choose to
> remain on X11, I would absolutely hope
> there is more than just you involved in
> the effort (busses, and vacations, happen).
>
> Having something like a KDE-X11-SIG
> team (made up name),
On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 1:51 AM Kevin Kofler via devel
wrote:
> Unlike you ("you" = the KDE SIG), I actually believe I can probably keep my
> *-x11 packages on life support for some time even if and when KDE upstream
> drops their X11 support. Kinda like I have been doing for, e.g., Blogilo.
>
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