Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Wednesday, March 01, 2017 12:06:59 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 19:04 +0100, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 09:03:07 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > > > If you want to be useful, compile a list of *all* the requirements; > > > that's what

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tue, 2017-02-28 at 19:04 +0100, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 09:03:07 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > > > Mailing lists and mail must keep working. > > > > If you want to be useful, compile a list of *all* the requirements; > > that's what we need. > > - SSL

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 28, 2017 09:03:07 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > > Mailing lists and mail must keep working. > > If you want to be useful, compile a list of *all* the requirements; > that's what we need. - SSL for the website + downloads. - SSL must be compatible with the SSL stuff fred uses

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sun, 2017-02-26 at 15:46 +0100, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > On Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:16:07 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > > [snip.] > > > > > > I'd really like us to use AWS for as much as possible re: > > > > hosting.  It has a lot of benefits, one of which is powerful > > > >

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 09:54:27 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Interesting, I used mutt for a while back in 1998 or 1999, them were the > days. Google Inbox these days (which does have some annoying qualities, > doesn't seem to do so well with formatting quoted replies). Btw, I would REALLY

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 07:02:35 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Ok, I'm not making a specific point about any particular decision, I just > don't want us be paralyzed by needing to accommodate every obscure edge-case > in anything we do. :) I also don't want us to be paralyzed by edge cases - which

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 3:51 PM, Arne Babenhauserheide arne_...@web.de wrote:Ian Clarke writes: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 9:06 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote:Our typical > developer is using a highly sophisticated terminal mail client > > which has received decades

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Ian Clarke writes: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 9:06 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote:Our typical > developer is using a highly sophisticated terminal mail client > > which has received decades of development. > Really? Have you conducted a survey? I can't remember the

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Ok, I'm not making a specific point about any particular decision, I just don't want us be paralyzed by needing to accommodate every obscure edge-case in anything we do. On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 12:54 PM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Sunday, February 26, 2017 06:39:00 PM Ian Clarke

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sunday, February 26, 2017 06:39:00 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 9:06 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > Our typical developer is using a highly sophisticated terminal mail client > > which has received decades of development. > > Really? Have you conducted a survey? > I

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sun, Feb 26, 2017 9:06 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote:Our typical developer is using a highly sophisticated terminal mail client which has received decades of development. Really?  Have you conducted a survey?  I can't remember the last time I saw anyone using a terminal mail client, it

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 10:27:11 AM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > x...@freenetproject.org writes: > > That is unfortunately something our privacy-focused users will certainly > > not accept :| > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > nowadays been checked by

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 07:50:05 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > While I'm more familiar with Slack, https://gitter.im/ is an alternative we > should consider that's used by a few open source projects. > Slack may have more of a barrier to entry for users, for example the Kotlin > open source

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Saturday, February 25, 2017 11:16:07 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > [snip.] > > > > I'd really like us to use AWS for as much as possible re: > > > hosting. It has a lot of benefits, one of which is powerful multi-user > > > support. > > > > Well I really don't care where we host as long as

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Florent Daigniere writes: > @devl is the smallest list we still operate. > > freenetproject:/var/backups/mailman# wc -l *members|sort -rg > 4441 total > 2581 announce.members > 452 support.members > 354 devl.members > 309 tech.members > 293 chat.members > 248

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sat, Feb 25, 2017 4:19 AM, Florent Daigniere nextg...@freenetproject.org wrote: Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian suggested ages ago). It's not like there has been any meaningful, productive, development-related discussion on this mailing list in the last few years. While I'm

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Florent Daigniere writes: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:18 +0100, Florent Daigniere wrote: >> Are you seriously suggesting that "having a working fred, working FMS" >> is an acceptable requirement for accessing what will be our future >> support mailing list? > > Oh,

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 17:44 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Florent Daigniere writes: > > > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do > > with > > our mailing lists over

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Florent Daigniere writes: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > You are in lalaland if you think that we can do what currently do with > our mailing lists over Freenet. Almost two decades in the making, we've > failed at building an

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

+1 to move the support mailing list to mattersmost, with instructions on our website how to connect via IRC, Email, XMPP, and anonymously (Tor or Freenet) +1 to move devl mailing list to FMS. Florent Daigniere: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:18 +0100, Florent Daigniere wrote: >> On Sat, 2017-02-25

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:18 +0100, Florent Daigniere wrote: > On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Florent Daigniere writes: > > > > > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > > > > nowadays been checked by

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 13:02 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Florent Daigniere writes: > > > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > > > nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most > > > interactive development

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Florent Daigniere writes: >> We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has >> nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most >> interactive development already happens over IRC. > Or we could just migrate to slack (like Ian

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Sat, 2017-02-25 at 10:27 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > x...@freenetproject.org writes: > > That is unfortunately something our privacy-focused users will > > certainly not  > > accept :| > > We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has > nowadays been checked by at

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

[snip.] > > I'd really like us to use AWS for as much as possible re: > > hosting.  It has a I'd really like us to use AWS for as much as possible re: hosting.  It has a > > lot of benefits, one of which is powerful multi-user support. > > Well I really don't care where we host as long as it

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

x...@freenetproject.org writes: > That is unfortunately something our privacy-focused users will certainly not > accept :| We could also move more of our discussions to FMS. It’s code has nowadays been checked by at least two established users, and most interactive development already happens

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Thursday, February 23, 2017 06:59:17 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 11:19 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > What about a stupid, plain old htaccess file? > > Don't know if that will work with our current plan to host on AWS, but > hopefully there is some equivalent way to

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 11:19 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote:What about a stupid, plain old htaccess file? Don't know if that will work with our current plan to host on AWS, but hopefully there is some equivalent way to remap URLs that we can use. But we need to find a hoster for the mailing

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:11:04 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > I don't want to break links, but I also don't want that to become a blocker > for updating to the new website. > Hopefully there can be some way we can re-map URLs and then those that care > about breaking links can migrate the

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

I don't want to break links, but I also don't want that to become a blocker for updating to the new website. Hopefully there can be some way we can re-map URLs and then those that care about breaking links can migrate the important stuff over quickly. Ian. On Wed, Feb 22, 2017 3:07 PM, Arne

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Florent Daigniere writes: > On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: >> Florent just warned again, that the clock on osprey (all our >> non-standard hosting) is ticking. If we don’t act, this means that all >> links to the wiki stop working. >

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Wednesday, February 22, 2017 09:36:59 AM Florent Daigniere wrote: > On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 14:56 +0100, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > I've read the IRC discussion, and I don't see any reason why our > > server should > > go down except the fact that it looks like Florent isn't in the mood

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 08:15:36 PM x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 07:00:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > > It's ok, the project can pay for it if everyone is in agreement, and if > > someone is willing to handle the migration. > > Thanks! :) > > Steve and I will

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 14:56 +0100, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 08:54:20 AM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Hi, > >  > > Florent just warned again, that the clock on osprey (all our > > non-standard hosting) is ticking. If we don’t act, this means that > all > >

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tue, 2017-02-21 at 08:54 +0100, Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Hi, > > Florent just warned again, that the clock on osprey (all our > non-standard hosting) is ticking. If we don’t act, this means that all > links to the wiki stop working. > This has never been expressed as a requirement

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Apologies for the top reply; ProtonMail's clients need some work and inline replying appears effectively impossible currently, at least on mobile. Okay, I misinterpreted the primacy of your citing the Google trend. If Mantis further decays we may find ourselves reevaluating this decision. I do

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 07:00:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > It's ok, the project can pay for it if everyone is in agreement, and if > someone is willing to handle the migration. Thanks! :) Steve and I will handle it. I'll contact you about setting up an account / payment at the company once

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Okay, xor and I will handle it. Original Message On Feb 21, 2017, 2:00 PM, Ian Clarke wrote: It's ok, the project can pay for it if everyone is in agreement, and if someone is willing to handle the migration. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 12:30 PM, x...@freenetproject.org

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

It's ok, the project can pay for it if everyone is in agreement, and if someone is willing to handle the migration. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 12:30 PM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 01:24:50 PM Steve Dougherty wrote: We're at the point where I would repeat

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 01:24:50 PM Steve Dougherty wrote: > We're at the point where I would repeat myself. For reasons already stated, > I'd like to continue using Mantis. I am willing to pay the hosting costs. > There are more than directly financial costs in migrating to a new >

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

We're at the point where I would repeat myself. For reasons already stated, I'd like to continue using Mantis. I am willing to pay the hosting costs. There are more than directly financial costs in migrating to a new platform. Original Message On Feb 21, 2017, 1:05 PM,

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 06:05:57 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > $23/month is expensive for what this is (considering that Github is free for > open source projects and does a lot more) :-/ If two boxes of beer a month is the only problem I'm almost willing to suck it up and just pay for it myself.

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

$23/month is expensive for what this is (considering that Github is free for open source projects and does a lot more) :-/ Ian. On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 11:58 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 06:02:25 PM x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > What company can we

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 06:02:25 PM x...@freenetproject.org wrote: > > What company can we use for Mantis hosting? > > I will allocate a day for googling all of them ASAP, I'll try to do it > within a week. Actually, the decision which company to ask first can be solved pretty naturally -

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 04:40:38 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Your ability to take something that could be said in 3 sentences and turn it > into a multi-page melodramatic essay never ceases to amaze me. Sorry, but it's impossible to break down the complexity of our problems into the length of

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Your ability to take something that could be said in 3 sentences and turn it into a multi-page melodramatic essay never ceases to amaze me. What company can we use for Mantis hosting? Ian. Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenetproject.org

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 9:51 AM, Steve Dougherty st...@asksteved.com wrote: Ian, the thing I find frustrating with your approach is that we'd regularly be moving to something new based on what's literally trending. That's a caricature of what I've said.  My main point is that we should not be

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 02:43:26 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > I'm also curious as to the value of much of the data in Mantis, I mean, are > most of the issues in there still relevant? Are they ever likely to be > fixed or will they just gather dust indefinitely? I've moved this quote to the top

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

. Manual migration is not a viable way forward for the bug tracker. Original Message Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki Local Time: February 21, 2017 9:43 AM UTC Time: February 21, 2017 2:43 PM From: i...@freenetproject.org To: x...@freenetproject.org

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tue, Feb 21, 2017 8:15 AM, x...@freenetproject.org wrote: On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 02:01:02 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > If necessary we can continue to pay for our own server, however I think it > would be better for everyone if we could migrate over to solutions that > don't require that

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 02:01:02 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > If necessary we can continue to pay for our own server, however I think it > would be better for everyone if we could migrate over to solutions that > don't require that we manage our own servers, such as Github Issues for >

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

If necessary we can continue to pay for our own server, however I think it would be better for everyone if we could migrate over to solutions that don't require that we manage our own servers, such as Github Issues for bugtracking.  These servers are a time drain and a security vulnerability. If

Re: [freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

On Tuesday, February 21, 2017 08:54:20 AM Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > Hi, > > Florent just warned again, that the clock on osprey (all our > non-standard hosting) is ticking. If we don’t act, this means that all > links to the wiki stop working. I've read the IRC discussion, and I don't see

[freenet-dev] preserving the links to the wiki

Hi, Florent just warned again, that the clock on osprey (all our non-standard hosting) is ticking. If we don’t act, this means that all links to the wiki stop working. To avoid that, I can provide hosting of a static copy of the wiki with links at the top of each article to the new github based