[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: > >> > >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> > >>> Once connected to my node, it repeatedly RNFed on the

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: > >> > >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> > >>> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not conn

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: > >> > >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> > >>> Once connected to my node, it repeatedly RNFed on the

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-21 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: > >> > >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > >> > >>> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not conn

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 18 May 2009 14:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb: > > On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can > >> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 18 May 2009 18:03:50 Cl?ment wrote: > Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a ?crit : > > On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 18 May 2009 14:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb: > > On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can > >> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-20 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Monday 18 May 2009 18:03:50 Clément wrote: > Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a écrit : > > On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > >

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-19 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Monday, 18. May 2009 15:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Do you know the numbers of possible browsers? You dont want to add a > useflag for each of them and additionally this would force the user to use > exactly the one browser selected by useflag. Additionally, what happens, > when the selected br

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-19 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Monday, 18. May 2009 15:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Do you know the numbers of possible browsers? You dont want to add a > useflag for each of them and additionally this would force the user to use > exactly the one browser selected by useflag. Additionally, what happens, > when the selected br

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Clément
Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a ?crit : > On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: >

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Thomas Sachau
Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb: > On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can >> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for >> this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a scri

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Clément
Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a écrit : > On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: >

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Sunday, 17. May 2009 00:59:13 Matthew Toseland wrote: > Not much point hiding it if you're broadcasting the existence of nodes via > MDNSDiscovery! ...you're right for OpenNet... should have seen that before. I assume only a full "steganographic announcement" framework could help there (have

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can > choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for > this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a script for linux. But in Gentoo it woul

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Thomas Sachau
Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb: > On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can >> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for >> this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a scri

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-18 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Sunday, 17. May 2009 00:59:13 Matthew Toseland wrote: > Not much point hiding it if you're broadcasting the existence of nodes via > MDNSDiscovery! ...you're right for OpenNet... should have seen that before. I assume only a full "steganographic announcement" framework could help there (have

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-17 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can > choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for > this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a script for linux. But in Gentoo it woul

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > Well, we already have a Browse Freenet script on all three platforms. > Currently it detects browsers that we know about. You don't have to use it if > you don't want to. But we should extend it to use incognito mode if possible, > and to favour browsers with such supp

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-17 Thread Zero3
Matthew Toseland skrev: > Well, we already have a Browse Freenet script on all three platforms. > Currently it detects browsers that we know about. You don't have to use it if > you don't want to. But we should extend it to use incognito mode if possible, > and to favour browsers with such supp

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-17 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote: > Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth > connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for > routing requests if possible? I assume that it would also help privacy, because then timing analysis and sim

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 16 May 2009 23:20:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote: > > Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth > > connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for > > routing requests if possible? > > I ass

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get ri

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Thomas Sachau
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: Matthew Toseland schrieb: > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > choice? > And

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 16 May 2009 23:20:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote: > > Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth > > connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for > > routing requests if possible? > > I ass

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Arne Babenhauserheide
On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote: > Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth > connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for > routing requests if possible? I assume that it would also help privacy, because then timing analysis and sim

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Florent Daignière
* xor [2009-05-15 22:07:34]: > On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > >> xor schrieb: > > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Matthew Toseland sch

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Florent Daignière
* Robert Hailey [2009-05-15 13:04:58]: > > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> xor schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get rid of

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Florent Daignière
* xor [2009-05-15 18:24:53]: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > > > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > > > > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > >

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > >>> choice? > >>> And maybe the welcome page? (#309

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get ri

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Thomas Sachau
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: Matthew Toseland schrieb: > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > choice? > And

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Florent Daignière
* xor [2009-05-15 22:07:34]: > On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > >> xor schrieb: > > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Matthew Toseland sch

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Florent Daignière
* Robert Hailey [2009-05-15 13:04:58]: > > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> xor schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get rid of

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Florent Daignière
* xor [2009-05-15 18:24:53]: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > > > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > > > > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > >

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-16 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > >>> choice? > >>> And maybe the welcome page? (#309

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread xor
On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote: > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> xor schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get ri

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread xor
On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > xor schrieb: > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > >>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > >> > >> You want

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Thomas Sachau
xor schrieb: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" >>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) >> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? >> >>> Because we were both on

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread xor
On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > > > Because we were both on the same LAN, it

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Thomas Sachau
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" >>> choice? >>> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) >> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > > Why wou

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread xor
On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote: > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> xor schrieb: > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get ri

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Hailey
On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> xor schrieb: >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: Matthew Toseland schrieb: > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it > manually" > choice?

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Hailey
On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: >> >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: >> >>> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I >>> told him to >>> set it to allow local addresses on

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Hailey
On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote: > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> xor schrieb: >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: Matthew Toseland schrieb: > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it > manually" > choice?

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread xor
On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote: > xor schrieb: > > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: > >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > >>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > >> > >> You want

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Thomas Sachau
xor schrieb: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" >>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) >> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? >> >>> Because we were both on

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread xor
On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" > > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > > > Because we were both on the same LAN, it

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Robert Hailey
On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I told him to set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-15 Thread Thomas Sachau
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: >> Matthew Toseland schrieb: >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" >>> choice? >>> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) >> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > > Why wou

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I > > told him to > > set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a > > checkbox when > > add

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice? > > And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? Why would that be bad? > > > Because we w

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Thomas Sachau
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice? > And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I told him to > set it to allow local ad

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
Another usability test, with somebody who has used Freenet before once or twice but remains essentially a newbie. My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) The browser warning: User installed Chrome, and copied the URL acros

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote: > > On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > > > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I > > told him to > > set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a > > checkbox when > > add

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote: > Matthew Toseland schrieb: > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice? > > And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) > > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? Why would that be bad? > > > Because we w

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Robert Hailey
On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I > told him to > set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a > checkbox when > adding a noderef, defaulting to on, "Friend may be on the same local >

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Robert Hailey
On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote: Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I told him to set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a checkbox when adding a noderef, defaulting to on, "Friend may be on the same local network as

Re: [freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Thomas Sachau
Matthew Toseland schrieb: > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice? > And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) You want to force everyone to use the Wizard? > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I told him to > set it to allow local ad

[freenet-dev] Usability test results

2009-05-14 Thread Matthew Toseland
Another usability test, with somebody who has used Freenet before once or twice but remains essentially a newbie. My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094) The browser warning: User installed Chrome, and copied the URL acros