On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote:
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> On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
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> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >>
> >>> Once connected to my node, it repeatedly RNFed on the
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote:
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> On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
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> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >>
> >>> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not conn
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote:
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> On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
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> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >>
> >>> Once connected to my node, it repeatedly RNFed on the
On Friday 15 May 2009 17:05:09 Robert Hailey wrote:
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> On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
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> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
> >>
> >> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> >>
> >>> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not conn
On Monday 18 May 2009 14:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb:
> > On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can
> >> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea
On Monday 18 May 2009 18:03:50 Cl?ment wrote:
> Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> > On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > > Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > >
On Monday 18 May 2009 14:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb:
> > On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can
> >> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea
On Monday 18 May 2009 18:03:50 Clément wrote:
> Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a écrit :
> > On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > > Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > >
On Monday, 18. May 2009 15:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Do you know the numbers of possible browsers? You dont want to add a
> useflag for each of them and additionally this would force the user to use
> exactly the one browser selected by useflag. Additionally, what happens,
> when the selected br
On Monday, 18. May 2009 15:50:30 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Do you know the numbers of possible browsers? You dont want to add a
> useflag for each of them and additionally this would force the user to use
> exactly the one browser selected by useflag. Additionally, what happens,
> when the selected br
Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a ?crit :
> On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>
Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb:
> On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can
>> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for
>> this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a scri
Le samedi 16 mai 2009 20:10:00, Matthew Toseland a écrit :
> On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>
On Sunday, 17. May 2009 00:59:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Not much point hiding it if you're broadcasting the existence of nodes via
> MDNSDiscovery!
...you're right for OpenNet... should have seen that before.
I assume only a full "steganographic announcement" framework could help there
(have
On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can
> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for
> this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a script for linux.
But in Gentoo it woul
Arne Babenhauserheide schrieb:
> On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can
>> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for
>> this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a scri
On Sunday, 17. May 2009 00:59:13 Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Not much point hiding it if you're broadcasting the existence of nodes via
> MDNSDiscovery!
...you're right for OpenNet... should have seen that before.
I assume only a full "steganographic announcement" framework could help there
(have
On Saturday, 16. May 2009 16:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Additionally, Gentoo is about choice, if there is a warning, the user can
> choose, with a forcing script, there is no choice, which is a bad idea for
> this philosophy, therefor i vote against such a script for linux.
But in Gentoo it woul
Matthew Toseland skrev:
> Well, we already have a Browse Freenet script on all three platforms.
> Currently it detects browsers that we know about. You don't have to use it if
> you don't want to. But we should extend it to use incognito mode if possible,
> and to favour browsers with such supp
Matthew Toseland skrev:
> Well, we already have a Browse Freenet script on all three platforms.
> Currently it detects browsers that we know about. You don't have to use it if
> you don't want to. But we should extend it to use incognito mode if possible,
> and to favour browsers with such supp
On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote:
> Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth
> connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for
> routing requests if possible?
I assume that it would also help privacy, because then timing analysis and
sim
On Saturday 16 May 2009 23:20:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote:
> > Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth
> > connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for
> > routing requests if possible?
>
> I ass
On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get ri
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> choice?
> And
On Saturday 16 May 2009 23:20:08 Arne Babenhauserheide wrote:
> On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote:
> > Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth
> > connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for
> > routing requests if possible?
>
> I ass
On Friday, 15. May 2009 22:07:34 xor wrote:
> Wouldn't it take much load off the "internet", i.e. small bandwidth
> connections, if any nodes which are connected via LAN used the LAN for
> routing requests if possible?
I assume that it would also help privacy, because then timing analysis and
sim
* xor [2009-05-15 22:07:34]:
> On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote:
> > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
> > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > >> xor schrieb:
> > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Matthew Toseland sch
* Robert Hailey [2009-05-15 13:04:58]:
>
> On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
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> > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> xor schrieb:
> >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get rid of
* xor [2009-05-15 18:24:53]:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> > > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
> >
> > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
> >
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> >>> choice?
> >>> And maybe the welcome page? (#309
On Saturday 16 May 2009 15:02:19 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get ri
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> choice?
> And
* xor [2009-05-15 22:07:34]:
> On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote:
> > On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
> > > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > >> xor schrieb:
> > >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Matthew Toseland sch
* Robert Hailey [2009-05-15 13:04:58]:
>
> On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
>
> > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> xor schrieb:
> >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get rid of
* xor [2009-05-15 18:24:53]:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> > Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> > > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
> >
> > You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
> >
On Friday 15 May 2009 16:35:40 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> >>> choice?
> >>> And maybe the welcome page? (#309
On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote:
> On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
> > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> xor schrieb:
> >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get ri
On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> xor schrieb:
> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> >>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
> >>
> >> You want
xor schrieb:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
>>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
>>
>>> Because we were both on
On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>
> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
>
> > Because we were both on the same LAN, it
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
>>> choice?
>>> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
>
> Why wou
On Friday 15 May 2009 20:04:58 Robert Hailey wrote:
> On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
> > On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> xor schrieb:
> >>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get ri
On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
> On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> xor schrieb:
>>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it
> manually"
> choice?
On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
>>
>> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>>
>>> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I
>>> told him to
>>> set it to allow local addresses on
On May 15, 2009, at 11:57 AM, xor wrote:
> On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> xor schrieb:
>>> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it
> manually"
> choice?
On Friday 15 May 2009 18:37:12 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> xor schrieb:
> > On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> >> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> >>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> >>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
> >>
> >> You want
xor schrieb:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
>>> choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
>>
>>> Because we were both on
On Thursday 14 May 2009 19:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
> > choice? And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>
> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
>
> > Because we were both on the same LAN, it
On May 14, 2009, at 5:06 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I
told him to
set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
>> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
>>> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
>>> choice?
>>> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
>
> Why wou
On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>
> > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I
> > told him to
> > set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a
> > checkbox when
> > add
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
choice?
> > And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>
> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
Why would that be bad?
>
> > Because we w
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice?
> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I told him to
> set it to allow local ad
Another usability test, with somebody who has used Freenet before once or
twice but remains essentially a newbie.
My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice?
And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
The browser warning: User installed Chrome, and copied the URL acros
On Thursday 14 May 2009 20:36:31 Robert Hailey wrote:
>
> On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
>
> > Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I
> > told him to
> > set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a
> > checkbox when
> > add
On Thursday 14 May 2009 18:35:07 Thomas Sachau wrote:
> Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> > My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually"
choice?
> > And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
>
> You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
Why would that be bad?
>
> > Because we w
On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I
> told him to
> set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a
> checkbox when
> adding a noderef, defaulting to on, "Friend may be on the same local
>
On May 14, 2009, at 12:17 PM, Matthew Toseland wrote:
Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I
told him to
set it to allow local addresses on that peer. There should be a
checkbox when
adding a noderef, defaulting to on, "Friend may be on the same local
network
as
Matthew Toseland schrieb:
> My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice?
> And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
You want to force everyone to use the Wizard?
> Because we were both on the same LAN, it did not connect, until I told him to
> set it to allow local ad
Another usability test, with somebody who has used Freenet before once or
twice but remains essentially a newbie.
My observation: Can we get rid of the "I will configure it manually" choice?
And maybe the welcome page? (#3094)
The browser warning: User installed Chrome, and copied the URL acros
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