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--- Comment #15 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-06 23:39:13 PDT ---
Er, slight typo copy/pasting your own argument:
This:
... are that it's slightly cleaner because the comment tokens aren't there,
and that the compiler complains if you
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--- Comment #14 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-06 23:36:25 PDT ---
The _only_ things that this feature adds over using a comment are that it's
slightly cleaner because the comment tokens aren't there, and
the compiler complains if you
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--- Comment #16 from Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com 2011-08-07 00:00:41
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const, immutable, shared etc. have a large effect on the semantics of a
program. The compiler gives you additional guarantees as a result. e.g.
immutable
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--- Comment #17 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-07 00:22:55 PDT ---
const, immutable, shared etc. have a large effect on the semantics of a
program. The compiler gives you additional guarantees as a result. e.g.
immutable variables
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--- Comment #18 from Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com 2011-08-07 00:39:42
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And why would it matter that the function was ref instead of out? It's still
affecting the variable that's passed in either case. The fact that it's ref now
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--- Comment #19 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-07 00:45:04 PDT ---
The fact that it's ref now instead of out has no effect on the calling
function.
Yeah it does -- the caller now has to initialize it with something sensible
first.
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--- Comment #20 from Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com 2011-08-07 01:12:16
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Well, I don't think that the feature adds enough of value to be worth adding to
the language. But it's not my decision. Discussion on the matter can help
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--- Comment #21 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-07 11:16:43 PDT ---
Hmm... /maybe/ I'll try implementing it myself, although I'm not at all
familiar with the source code. Let's see how it goes, I'll post here if I get
anywhere.
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--- Comment #22 from bearophile_h...@eml.cc 2011-08-07 13:30:59 PDT ---
I have a related but alternative proposal; to ask only for the out at the
calling point, make it obligatory if you compile with -warning and optional
otherwise (for a long
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--- Comment #23 from bearophile_h...@eml.cc 2011-08-07 13:42:58 PDT ---
See also:
http://www.digitalmars.com/webnews/newsgroups.php?art_group=digitalmars.Darticle_id=141999
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--- Comment #2 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-06 08:55:09 PDT ---
Proof?
Idk, do you want me to find an example of something that actually broke because
of this?
I don't know too many languages that allow this (like you said, C# 4.0 just
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--- Comment #3 from bearophile_h...@eml.cc 2011-08-06 11:05:05 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #2)
Proof?
Idk, do you want me to find an example of something that actually broke
because
of this?
I don't know too many languages that allow
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--- Comment #4 from kenn...@gmail.com 2011-08-06 14:46:43 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #3)
(In reply to comment #2)
Proof?
Idk, do you want me to find an example of something that actually broke
because
of this?
I don't know
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--- Comment #6 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-06 15:41:18 PDT ---
This feature improves code readability, but in D you also have const ref
that
semantically-wise for the caller is not that different from a pass by value.
Const ref has
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--- Comment #7 from Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com 2011-08-06 15:56:17
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At this point, changes to the core language are not going to be made without a
very good reason, so expect ideas (be they yours or someone else's) to have to
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--- Comment #8 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-06 16:14:57 PDT ---
At this point, changes to the core language are not going to be made without a
very good reason, so expect ideas (be they yours or someone else's) to have to
add something
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--- Comment #9 from bearophile_h...@eml.cc 2011-08-06 17:03:11 PDT ---
John: It's pretty interesting how you always like the status quo
It's the way he is, everyone has the rights to be himself or herself. And ad
hominem attacks are out of
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--- Comment #11 from bearophile_h...@eml.cc 2011-08-06 17:40:46 PDT ---
(In reply to comment #10)
OK, fine, you beat me 1 point out of 3.
This is not a competition or a game, it's a conversation :-)
What you have to do is find
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--- Comment #12 from wfunct...@hotmail.com 2011-08-06 18:16:24 PDT ---
This is not a competition or a game, it's a conversation :-)
What you have to do is find justifications for adding ref/out at the calling
point, you don't have to find
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--- Comment #13 from Jonathan M Davis jmdavisp...@gmx.com 2011-08-06 19:47:18
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A feature needs to add real value to the language to be worth adding. I don't
see value in this proposal. Hence why I'm against it. It's as simple as that.
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