Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Graham Lauder
On Monday 18 Oct 2010 16:58:40 M. Fioretti wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 04:48:23 AM +0200, Ramon Sole (ramon.s...@opscons.com) wrote: Both communities will be able to collaborate in tons of things, but the project leaders can't share responsabilities in both projects. If so, why to have

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread James Wilde
On Oct 16, 2010, at 00:50 , Barbara Duprey wrote: ... It is often not clear whether or not the OP is subscribed -- many can't/won't look at the full headers or filter on them, and sometimes they join the discussion later, when the header is not available. For somebody who really has an

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread James Wilde
On Oct 17, 2010, at 19:54 , Charles Marcus wrote: ... I do know that the users/discuss lists volume is way too heavy for an 'average user' to get any benefit from. For example, since checking my email last on Friday evening, there have been 150+ new messages to this list... this would

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibO Beta 2 Writer/Web (Html Document)

2010-10-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2010-10-17, Paul A Norman wrote: Can you send me a copy of the original file to have a look at? Save it as an .odt. Thats part of the problem as well, I used to be able to do that in OOO ... But now while in an HTML document Save As is only offering me these types:- HTML

[tdf-discuss] First Marketing Conference Call

2010-10-18 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hello everyone, I'm happy to announce the first Marketing Conference Call for LibreOffice and The Document Foundation. It will be on Monday, October 25th, 1700 UTC To convert into your local time zone, see http://www.doodle.com/uiidvmmxcp53r4xs and use the location selector in the page.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Very large icons in toolbar

2010-10-18 Thread Masahisa Kamataki
Hi, James and all. At Sun, 3 Oct 2010 17:17:57 +0200, James Wilde wrote: LO 3.3beta Mac OSX 10.6.4 Have just opened a writer document, and the toolbar icons are very much bigger than the ones I have been using in OOo. Have not yet found a way to reduce the size of them, neither by

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Cedric Bosdonnat
Hi Alexandro, On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 23:10 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am very positive about making improvements on things like Writer, however I don't know many people use the bibliographic features. On the opposite I know about many things that many users used, that could be fixed

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, James Wilde schrieb: There is also a forum. How I'm going to find that there is a libreofficeforum.org I don't know. Maybe it's referenced somewhere. I think there was a link on the Contribute page, alongside the link to 'some lists'. However, the forum address should be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Chris Carpenter
On 10/18/2010 03:23 AM, Stefan Weigel wrote: Hi, James Wilde schrieb: There is also a forum. How I'm going to find that there is a libreofficeforum.org I don't know. Maybe it's referenced somewhere. I think there was a link on the Contribute page, alongside the link to 'some lists'. However,

[tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting minutes at the wiki

2010-10-18 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi everyone, just as info and because we need to be transparent - minutes of the recent Steering Committee Meeting are online at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings we are going to publish all minutes from now on and will have public agenda as well. regards,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions

2010-10-18 Thread jonathon
On 10/15/2010 07:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: We may decide to have different targeted versions of LibO for education; business; academic; SOHO; corporate etc. with added value plugins. Rather than creating umpteen different versions of LibO, how about umpteen different collections of extensions?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Chris Carpenter schrieb: Well, there have been doubts, if it makes sense to open yet another forum, since the existing forums are all community driven and support OOo and all of its derivates as well. In this case, shouldn't there be links to these other forums? Sure. But I think,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello all, thank you for opening this thread. It is not in the intention of anyone -I don't speak officially for the Foundation in this mail- to sit in both projects. It would give a very bad signal, I think, a signal that we either don't believe in LibO and that we want to occupy seats just for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
Please, James is right - it is very very difficult as just a User to find your way around - I've said it a couple of times, and it is really really true. Paul On 18 October 2010 22:34, Stefan Weigel stefan.wei...@bildungskreis.org wrote: Hi, Chris Carpenter schrieb: Well, there have been

[tdf-discuss] Re: We're on slashdot

2010-10-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 20:07 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: We're on slashdot. I mention this for info purposes only, not suggesting anyone should waste their time responding to the inevitable stupid comments. --Jean http://goo.gl/qmIk Here is my favourite response so far. It made me

Re: [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot

2010-10-18 Thread jonathon
On 10/17/2010 12:00 PM, Gianluca Turconi wrote: So, community budget is now directly managed from Oracle?! Sun, and then Oracle has always tried to manage that was related to OOo. jonathon -- No human will see non-list, non-bulk, non-junk email sent to this address. It all gets forwarded to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread M. Fioretti
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 12:00:56 PM +0200, Charles-H. Schulz (charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org) wrote: On the other hand, I and others do not tolerate being fired by Oracle. Resigning is one thing, being kicked out is another one. Resigning is a logical consequence of our actions that will

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread ian . lynch
we don't acknowledge that our community is leaving (and yes, there are and will always be exceptions). That, to me, is a failure, it's a community management failure. So I guess that puts Louis in a difficult position? -- Ian -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for

Re: [tdf-discuss] A few initial comments on Beta2

2010-10-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 13:54 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: In data 17 ottobre 2010 alle ore 12:57:23, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com ha scritto: AG, I've just confirmed: Gianluca's method causes the cursor to do what you want, in OOo but not in LibO. Believe me, it does so in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread James Walker
The one thing that has always bugged me is. How is it any different having LibreOffice and someone being in both project, and the OracleOffice part. I mean are they not competing projects. Would Oracle not prefer someone to go with there version of OpenOffice.org and pay them for support on it.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Le Mon, 18 Oct 2010 12:29:37 +0100 (BST), ian.ly...@theingots.org a écrit : we don't acknowledge that our community is leaving (and yes, there are and will always be exceptions). That, to me, is a failure, it's a community management failure. So I guess that puts Louis in a difficult

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Paul A Norman schrieb: Please, James is right I didn´t say he´s wrong. Stefan -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will

Re: [tdf-discuss] (Re-Post) Survey|Opinion - LibreOffice Install and Update

2010-10-18 Thread Terry Warby
On 14/10/10 05:25, Scott Furry wrote: Dear LibreOffice Community, I am Re-Posting the original survey under new title. If you wish to have a discussion about the survey or aspects of someone's responses, I would kindly ask that you start a new thread (please add discussion or similar to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-17 10:48 PM, Ramon Sole wrote: Both communities will be able to collaborate in tons of things, but the project leaders can't share responsabilities in both projects. If so, why to have two Communities? I don't think this this is correct in the case of OOo - while it is of course

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, 2010/10/18 Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com: On 2010-10-18 3:38 AM, James Wilde wrote: Action point 5:  Let the list system fade out, or at least move it down the priorities for user support.  I know there are people in here who live in the Unix world - I did myself once - and use

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-18 10:07 AM, Sigrid Carrera wrote: yes, indeed, Mailman does support something like a mailinglist-forum-bridge. I am also involved in the new Mageia distribution and one of the participants there has for test purposes created such a forum-mailinglist gateway. You can read his

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
All of you folks that are running this show had better start thinking about what the USERS need's are, or pretty soon you are going to turn around and find that most of your users have left. I have been using OOo for almost as long as it has been available and have told many people about it.

[tdf-discuss] Re: LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Mounier Jacques
Hi everyone, Marc Paré wrote: Thanks for the note. Yes, it does sound that different tools are needed depending on the field of study. There should almost be a mailist dedicated to LibO use for academia where we could collect the data needed to make LibO a great tool for academia This

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Michel Gagnon
Le 2010-10-18 11:51, Mounier Jacques a écrit : Hi everyone, * Improvements to the footnotes. ... I actually like them with 1[tab]TextOfNote, but I don't mind more flexibility. * Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style There is one fairly simple solution,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Sveinn í Felli
Hi Þann mán 18.okt 2010 15:08, skrifaði Roxy Robinson: All of you folks that are running this show had better start thinking about what the USERS need's are, or pretty soon you are going to turn around and find that most of your users have left. I have been using OOo for almost as long as it

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 04:16, Cedric Bosdonnat a écrit : Hi Alexandro, On Sat, 2010-10-16 at 23:10 -0500, Alexandro Colorado wrote: I am very positive about making improvements on things like Writer, however I don't know many people use the bibliographic features. On the opposite I know about many

[tdf-discuss] Question...from Go-OOo or OOo

2010-10-18 Thread BRM
With all the fork discussion going on, I figured I'd just as well as this one too. Since the announcement, I've heard a number of people (via comments on Slashdot and OSNews at the very least) suggest that LibreOffice is a fork of Go-OOo instead of OOo (realizing that Go-OOo is derived from

Re: [tdf-discuss] Android

2010-10-18 Thread ian . lynch
On 10/16/2010 04:58 PM, Ian wrote: Which of the 200+ variants of Android should be targeted? All those running on devices that are likely to be used in general productivity. That would be all 200+ variants of Android then. Yes. As I said implementing a web based version of LO could be the

[tdf-discuss] mailing list digest mode functionality

2010-10-18 Thread e-letter
Below is an example of how the digest mode appears using the 'reply' e-mail function: On 18/10/2010, discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Topics (messages 1671 through 1700): [tdf-discuss] We're on slashdot 1671 - Per Eriksson

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 12:15, Michel Gagnon a écrit : Le 2010-10-18 11:51, Mounier Jacques a écrit : Hi everyone, * Improvements to the footnotes. ... I actually like them with 1[tab]TextOfNote, but I don't mind more flexibility. * Don't add space between paragraphs of the same style

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO roadmap?

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 11:51, Mounier Jacques a écrit : Hi everyone, Marc Paré wrote: Thanks for the note. Yes, it does sound that different tools are needed depending on the field of study. There should almost be a mailist dedicated to LibO use for academia where we could collect the data needed to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Anlauf für PM LibreOffic e 3.3 - Grundfragen

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 06:12, Johannes A. Bodwing a écrit : Hallo, es geht darum, die PM für den finalen Release der LO 3.3 hinzubekommen. Dazu versuche ich das Grundgerüst klar zu bekommen, denn während die PM für OOo 3.3. quasi mit dem Aspekt Fortsetzung arbeiten könnte, wäre es für LO eine Art

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting minutes at the wiki

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 09:58, Andre Schnabel a écrit : Hi, Von: Daniel Veillardveill...@redhat.com Excellent ! IMHO You're heading in the right direction :-) I would suggest to create a blog aggegator (planet.documentfoundation.org) and post both (or just links) to try to reach a larger

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 10:07, Sigrid Carrera a écrit : Hi, 2010/10/18 Charles Marcuscmar...@media-brokers.com: On 2010-10-18 3:38 AM, James Wilde wrote: Action point 5: Let the list system fade out, or at least move it down the priorities for user support. I know there are people in here who live in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
Please don't shout, we get the message. If I had been shouting the entire message would have been all caps. I was using all caps for EMPHASIS! Technically there are not yet any normal LibreOffice users; there's not yet any official release, only a beta. Is this not hoped to be a move of all the

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting minutes at the wiki

2010-10-18 Thread André Schnabel
Hi, Am 18.10.2010 19:13, schrieb Marc Paré: as the planet is actually in place - you suggest to blog the minutes in parallel? .. well .. I think, we can do this. Are you thinking of posting to different sites? No minutes should stay at the wiki, but we can announce the availabity

[tdf-discuss] Canadian Marketing Team partners with US Marketing Team

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
I would just like to inform the list that the Canadian Marketing Team has partnered with the US Marketing Team and will be participating as junior partners in the US marketing mailist. We would like to thank the US Marketing Team for their generous offer of help and sharing of resources. We

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] Meeting minutes at the wiki

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 13:29, André Schnabel a écrit : Hi, Am 18.10.2010 19:13, schrieb Marc Paré: as the planet is actually in place - you suggest to blog the minutes in parallel? .. well .. I think, we can do this. Are you thinking of posting to different sites? No minutes should stay at the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions

2010-10-18 Thread Marc Paré
Le 2010-10-18 05:04, jonathon a écrit : On 10/15/2010 07:35 PM, Marc Paré wrote: We may decide to have different targeted versions of LibO for education; business; academic; SOHO; corporate etc. with added value plugins. Rather than creating umpteen different versions of LibO, how about

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: We're on slashdot

2010-10-18 Thread AG
On 18/10/10 11:07, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Sun, 2010-10-17 at 20:07 +1000, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: We're on slashdot. I mention this for info purposes only, not suggesting anyone should waste their time responding to the inevitable stupid comments. --Jean http://goo.gl/qmIk

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Sebastian Spaeth
On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:25:52 -0400, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Best would be to find some way to integrate a decent forum platform with a decent mail list manager... The nabble forums are rather easy to integrate in a website and provide seamless integration with a

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Drew Jensen
On Mon, 2010-10-18 at 21:15 +0200, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:25:52 -0400, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Best would be to find some way to integrate a decent forum platform with a decent mail list manager... The nabble forums are rather easy to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2010-10-18 3:15 PM, Sebastian Spaeth wrote: On Mon, 18 Oct 2010 09:25:52 -0400, Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com wrote: Best would be to find some way to integrate a decent forum platform with a decent mail list manager... The nabble forums are rather easy to integrate in a

Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Ramon Sole
Hello *, maybe the problem is OOo has the fear that TDF people with responsabilities in OOo use the OOo resources in favor of TDF? I'm not talking about Charles, but i.e in the Spanish Communitiy the Project Leader has closed the subscription to the OOo spanish mailing lists with the label

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 04:12:35PM +, Sveinn � Felli wrote: .humongous snip.. I think that it would be beneficial to launch a new thread on user-services, navigation and user-feedback in order to find a good structure and basic organisation. Even if things like

Re: [tdf-discuss] First Marketing Conference Call

2010-10-18 Thread Roman Gelbort
El 18/10/10 04:55, Florian Effenberger escribió: Hello everyone, I'm happy to announce the first Marketing Conference Call for LibreOffice and The Document Foundation. It will be on Monday, October 25th, 1700 UTC It's possible attend at this conference? How can be participate of marketing

Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread todd rme
On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Ramon Sole ramon.s...@opscons.com wrote: And please, guys, let's stop calling the people that didn't decide to move to TDF the Oracle bad guys. There's a lot of people in OOo that doesn't work for Oracle. And I met some of the Oracle bad guys during those years

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
I believe if it had been me: establish the main steering committee, while at the same time get the website set up. Then, before ever issuing - especially a BETA VERSION - software, I would use the website to introduce the WHAT, WHERE, WHY, WHEN, AND HOW of the new organization. Why it exists,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Simon Brouwer
Op 18-10-2010 14:09, James Walker schreef: The one thing that has always bugged me is. How is it any different having LibreOffice and someone being in both project, and the OracleOffice part. I mean are they not competing projects. Would Oracle not prefer someone to go with there version of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 01:52 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: This clearly shows that we are acting properly, and the people assuming that we are calling or considering them Oracle bad guys are wrong. I think it's a challenge for people not in the inner circle of the OOo community (most of us) to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 01:58 PM, Roxy Robinson wrote: I believe if it had been me: establish the main steering committee, while at the same time get the website set up. Then, before ever issuing - especially a BETA VERSION - software, I would use the website to introduce the WHAT, WHERE, WHY, WHEN,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
Well, you can think what you want to think and I, as just a common every day, 9 year user of OOo, will think what I want to think. Your thoughts went way beyond what I said needed to be done, anyway. To release any software, beta or otherwise, with the support/instruction function in place, is

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-18 Thread Mirek M.
Hi everyone, I put up another post: http://clickortap.wordpress.com/2010/10/18/citrus-page-selection/ . It's quite short this time. (I'm putting it up because Alexandro Colorado mentioned being able to change the orientation of an OOo page, without needing to do so many clicks and changing styles

Re: [tdf-discuss] First Marketing Conference Call

2010-10-18 Thread Florian Effenberger
Hi Roman, Roman Gelbort wrote on 2010-10-18 21.41: It's possible attend at this conference? How can be participate of marketing team. sure, it's open for everyone - would be great to have you on board! See http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/ConfCalls for details. Florian --

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-18 Thread Mirek M.
Hi Charles, 2010/10/17 Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com On 2010-10-15 7:33 PM, Christoph Noack wrote: Charles mentioned that choice is best ... that is true if people really know what they want and how to adapt something in their given situation. Many software products miss that

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/18/2010 1:24 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 17, 2010, at 19:54 , Charles Marcus wrote: ... I do know that the users/discuss lists volume is way too heavy for an 'average user' to get any benefit from. For example, since checking my email last on Friday evening, there have been 150+ new

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Andy Brown
On Mon Oct 18 2010 15:00:59 GMT-0700 (PDT) Roxy Robinson wrote: Well, you can think what you want to think and I, as just a common every day, 9 year user of OOo, will think what I want to think. Your thoughts went way beyond what I said needed to be done, anyway. To release any software, beta

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread Bernhard Dippold
Hi Barbara, all, Barbara Duprey schrieb: On 10/15/2010 7:11 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote: [...] I'd like to establish a common agreement on how to deal with moderated mails, so these off-topic mails will be not necessary any more. That would be nice, and maybe we can make it work -- but this

Re: [tdf-discuss] unsubscribed posters

2010-10-18 Thread Barbara Duprey
On 10/18/2010 1:16 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Oct 16, 2010, at 00:50 , Barbara Duprey wrote: ... It is often not clear whether or not the OP is subscribed -- many can't/won't look at the full headers or filter on them, and sometimes they join the discussion later, when the header is not

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
Thanks, Andy, I did mean without, of course. I do that quite often, because I think ahead of what I type. Too often, too far ahead. Roxy On Mon Oct 18 2010 15:00:59 GMT-0700 (PDT) Roxy Robinson wrote: Well, you can think what you want to think and I, as just a common every day, 9 year user

Re: [tdf-discuss] Installing LibreOffice Extensions

2010-10-18 Thread jonathon
On 10/18/2010 06:02 PM, Marc Paré wrote: I'd also suggest that toolbars be mergable into existing toolbars, rather than create their own new toolbar. Doesn't it do this already? Some are. Some aren't. My suggestion is for all to be mergable. A couple of months ago I took a screenshot of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 03:00 PM, Roxy Robinson wrote: Well, you can think what you want to think and I, as just a common every day, 9 year user of OOo, will think what I want to think. Your thoughts went way beyond what I said needed to be done, anyway. To release any software, beta or otherwise,

Re: Re: Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Ramon Sole
Hi Todd, Sure, now try in Google again looking up for irony. :-) Best Greetings, Ra todd rme wrote: On Mon, Oct 18, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Ramon Sole ramon.s...@opscons.com wrote: And please, guys, let's stop calling the people that didn't decide to move to TDF the Oracle bad guys. There's a lot

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
p.s. The Swiss have, through the centuries, developed a real sense of checks and balances in participatory decession making porocesses that really efficently get things done in a way that they feel satisfied their goals and aims are being met. I'll rest on this now - I hope that it helps any one

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO Beta 2 Writer/Web (Html Document)

2010-10-18 Thread Andy Brown
On Mon Oct 18 2010 00:43:11 GMT-0700 (PDT) Jean Hollis Weber wrote: Sorry to be chiming in here a bit late... In case you haven't found the answer yet, it's in the File Export menu. That's where it is in OOo 3.2.1 also. Whenever you can't find something in Save As, look in Export as well.

[tdf-discuss] Multilingualism and discussions

2010-10-18 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
I would like to propose that unlike what existed under Sun and Oracle, the linguistic communities _including_ the English speaking community, are all identified by a specific language marker and that all the lists that do not use that language marker are explicitly multilingual. The status quo

Re: [tdf-discuss] UI proposal

2010-10-18 Thread David Nelson
Hi, :-) How about just adding a Revert button? Or, better yet, how about having the customizations saveable as a file. One would be able to: 1) revert back to the original at any time; 2) easily have his/her custom UI on as many computers as he/she'd want to; 3) download a UI designed

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread MiguelAngel
+1. Right, there are other colors than black and white in the world. Nevertheless, sometimes it's necessary to force a bit, to reach the targets. And thanks, for all those have been working and work in the back/front to push OOo ahead. Miguel Ángel Ríos On 18/10/10 21:32, Ramon Sole wrote:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-18 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
On 18/10/10 21:32, Ramon Sole wrote: Hello *, I'm not talking about Charles, but i.e in the Spanish Communitiy the Project Leader has closed the subscription to the OOo spanish mailing lists with the label Migrating lists to TDF, and you can only easily subscribe to the TDF lists. If the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO Beta 2 Writer/Web (Html Document)

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
I'm sorry we couldn't help you, Paul. We are all trying to be helpful where we can, and with so much going on, there are a lot of loose, unanswered ends, or misunderstandings. I hope you stick around and get your answers. Jon On 10/18/2010 05:21 PM, Paul A Norman wrote: I'm

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
I was saying I have been using OOo 9 years - and actually when I start counting its probably a year or 2 longer - only because I have used it exclusively as my office program. I'm not trying to establish a reputation for anything except for being a bit dissatisfied with the way things are going

[tdf-discuss] Isa this the Hotel California? Can't Delist

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
I have tried to delist from this fiasco and I am still getting emails -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO Beta 2 Writer/Web (Html Document)

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
I've tried to delist and I am still getting emails. One of the things that I pointed out was that span/span tags were being saved in the html document with no content - that would seem to me to have been important to point out - but I have left LiBO feeling abused, and talked about by one of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 07:27 PM, Roxy Robinson wrote: You just don't get it - the web page is the problem. There is nothing there to learn. Is there something you are trying to find out? I am willing to help you learn the answers. Jon -- E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
Thanks Roxy, Yes that it what I got too and used to try and unsubscribe but still the emails keep rolling in. I used the approriate thing for the other hidden list I was herded onto abruptely as well. One of the ones that you could not find by yourself, it was after all only the Users' Help

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 08:07 PM, Roxy Robinson wrote: I have been learning most of the answers through this email list, which is, of course, the reason I joined it in the first place. Because there wasn't anything to learn on the web page. But now my inbox is inundated with mail, and I shouldn't have

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 08:11 PM, Paul A Norman wrote: Hidden under Contribute on their current front paghe they ahve weay down some where some lists - who knows there might even be a more appropriate list. I was told off for trying to report a fault in the beta 2 here and told to go to the User's Help

[tdf-discuss] RE: Localized marketing mailing lists - based on regions rather than on languages

2010-10-18 Thread Jean-Christophe Helary
• From: Bernhard Dippold • Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 20:46:30 +0200 2) Name these lists according to the ISO country code of the most active group inside this region. It is unlikely that EN-CA and FR-CA will share the same marketing tools. If we use country codes, we can use language/region

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: LibO Beta 2 Writer/Web (Html Document)

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
On 19 October 2010 16:32, Jon Hamkins hamk...@alumni.caltech.edu wrote: On 10/18/2010 08:24 PM, Paul A Norman wrote: Try and ghet these things through to the others. If OOO fades what will poorer schools, Not for proftis and poorer memebrs of the community have if LiBO doesn't really get its

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
Still getting email even though I've had two confirmed unsubscribed(s) Jon, I really liek you trying to help - but please is it worth defending the indefensible? For a memeber of the public would they ever guess that Contriubte means Help Availabel Here Don't defend community actions when they

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
Thanks Jean, I really appreciate that you probably did not realise how frustrated quite a few Users are when being told you should be on a list that should actually have been all too obvious to you - but you could never find on the web page. A list that is supposed to guide you to help and you

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Roxy Robinson
As I said previously, if I am hollering I will have an entire sentence/thought/paragraph in all caps. And since not all email programs will accept text that is bold, underlined, colored, or italicized I will continue to use all caps for emphasis, especially since that only includes a word or 2.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
Yep I've had two confirmtatoin that I have left the list and still the emails come rolling Does this constitute nuisnace email now? Paul On 19 October 2010 17:06, Roxy Robinson rocma...@ranchwireless.com wrote: As I said previously, if I am hollering I will have an entire

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:09 +1300, Paul A Norman wrote: Yep I've had two confirmtatoin that I have left the list and still the emails come rolling Does this constitute nuisnace email now? It's probably a glitch in the email system. Unfortunately, it's the middle of the night for the people

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jon Hamkins
On 10/18/2010 08:57 PM, Paul A Norman wrote: I really liek you trying to help - but please is it worth defending the indefensible? For a memeber of the public would they ever guess that Contriubte means Help Availabel Here I thought you were implying that you couldn't get to the mailing

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Jean Hollis Weber
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:02 +1300, Paul A Norman wrote: Thanks Jean, I really appreciate that you probably did not realise how frustrated quite a few Users are when being told you should be on a list that should actually have been all too obvious to you - but you could never find on the web

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Scott Furry
On 18/10/10 10:22 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:09 +1300, Paul A Norman wrote: Yep I've had two confirmtatoin that I have left the list and still the emails come rolling Does this constitute nuisnace email now? It's probably a glitch in the email system.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Drew Jensen
On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 00:41 -0400, Drew Jensen wrote: hi Jean, Just being redundant here (multiple posts) - people can use the nabble web interface to the mailing lists if they prefer. sorry - missed an 'l' http://oucv.org/tdf.htm but I'll keep it there and make it nicer over time - so

Re: [tdf-discuss] Houston, we have a problem.

2010-10-18 Thread Paul A Norman
You're a good sort thanks Jean. On 19 October 2010 17:22, Jean Hollis Weber jeanwe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 2010-10-19 at 17:09 +1300, Paul A Norman wrote: Yep I've had two confirmtatoin that I have left the list and still the emails come rolling Does this constitute nuisnace email now?

[tdf-discuss] Oracle wants LibreOffice members to leave OOo council

2010-10-18 Thread Nikola Yanev
Did you read this one, Oracle is getting even funnier :D http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/10/oracle-wants-libreoffice-members-to-leave-ooo-council.ars -- http://www.ubuntu.com/ Nikola Yanev http://www.gericom.free.bg http://www.gericom.wordpress.com Linux, Mac OS X PC installing