[tdf-discuss] Re: APRESENTAÇÃO
Viva Agostinhos Dúvidas em Português sobre a utilização de programas é nesta outra mailing list http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/User-f2317346.html Cumprimentos, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/APRESENTACAO-tp3468167p3468747.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Will win64 native build exist on 3.5.0 or at least 3.5.x releases?
carlo.strata wrote: Hi Pedro and Tor, What do you think about that? I think that LibreOffice should use an Open Source compiler. I also think that most of the LibreOffice Devs don't use the Office programs they are developing on a daily basis as a production tool. If they did, it would be obvious to them that an x64 build is needed to work on heavy documents. In any case this is just my personal opinion. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Will-win64-native-build-exist-on-3-5-0-or-at-least-3-5-x-releases-tp3473463p3478780.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Windows tinderboxes
Apparently there is a plan for a name structure (this is a part of the pyton script included in losmoketest-0.2.tar.bz2) It just is not being followed :) ## daily_master DAILY_MASTER_RPM_X86_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_Release_Configuration/master/current DAILY_MASTER_RPM_X86_64_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_64_Release_Configuration/master/current DAILY_MASTER_DEB_X86_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_Release_Configuration/master/current DAILY_MASTER_DEB_X86_64_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_64_Release_Configuration/master/current # No build yet DAILY_MASTER_MAC_X86_PATH = daily/MacOSX_10.6.7_Intel_no-moz/master/current DAILY_MASTER_MAC_PPC_PATH =^$ # No build yet DAILY_MASTER_WIN_X86_PATH = daily/Windows_Release_Configuration/master/current ## daily_branch DAILY_BRANCH_RPM_X86_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_Release_Configuration/libreoffice- + tag_version + /current DAILY_BRANCH_RPM_X86_64_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_64_Release_Configuration/libreoffice- + tag_version + /current DAILY_BRANCH_DEB_X86_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_Release_Configuration/libreoffice- + tag_version + /current DAILY_BRANCH_DEB_X86_64_PATH = daily/Linux_x86_64_Release_Configuration/libreoffice- + tag_version + /current DAILY_BRANCH_MAC_X86_PATH = daily/MacOSX_10.6.7_Intel_no-moz/libreoffice- + tag_version + /current DAILY_BRANCH_MAC_PPC_PATH =^$ # No build yet DAILY_BRANCH_WIN_X86_PATH = daily/Windows_Release_Configuration/libreoffice- + tag_version + /current -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Windows-tinderboxes-tp3509359p3516308.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Windows tinderboxes
Good news. The tinderboxes are being renamed following this plan http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/Tinderbox A log of the successful builds can be viewed on this page http://tinderbox.libreoffice.org/MASTER/status.html One odd thing: although the Voreppe box shows in green for 2011-11-22, the corresponding folder was created but it is empty. For those interested: you can get a daily MSVC compiled master build WITH installer from http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/Windows_2008R2/ and a MinGW compiled master build WITHOUT installer from http://dev-builds.libreoffice.org/daily/MinGW_cross-compilation/ -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Windows-tinderboxes-tp3509359p3529273.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Naming builds. Please???
Christoph Noack-2 wrote see http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Whiteboard/LibreOffice_Send_Feedback Help appreciated :-) The current Bug Submission Assistant is the nicest, most user friendly Bug reporting form I have _ever_ come across. Kudos to all that contributed to make it such a nice experience! I have two suggestions that I think could increase user input: 1) Add OpenID to the login options. Requiring people to subscribe to yet another site is sometimes enough to make them give up on their best intentions to contribute. Many users already have an OpenID even if they don't realize it http://openid.net/get-an-openid/ 2) It would be nice (I have no idea if this technically possible) if the list of Related bug reports showing under the input box was filtered (in addition to the Component, Sub-component and Version! Well done !) using the words in the Subject. Maybe if the words chosen are expressive enough a similar result will appear below. If the user realizes that he might save himself and the triage people some time by not reporting a duplicate item. -- Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Naming-builds-Please-tp3567533p3570582.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] PDF import extension
Hi all Is the PDF Import extension owned by Oracle? I am looking for the extension as a separate download but can't find it anywhere. It is not in the LO Extension repository either. I have a copy of the old Oracle PDF Import 1.0.4 extension but that doesn't work with the current LOdev (in fact the bundled 1.0.5 version is broken too) Is development stopped on this extension? I find it extremely useful for creating hybrid ODF/PDF files! -- Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/PDF-import-extension-tp3577732p3577732.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: PDF import extension
Alexandre Silveira-3 wrote I agree with you. do you want to start a new thread on this topic ? Start where? A new thread? I don't want to waste people's time... If this was discussed before, what was the conclusion? I searched Nabble before posting and couldn't find an answer... -- Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/PDF-import-extension-tp3577732p3577845.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: PDF import extension
Hi Italo, all I do not remember any discussion about dropping PDF Import, so I assume that the development will continue and the extension will be bundled with LibreOffice 3.5 (as with the previous versions). So if development continues, I suppose it means that Oracle doesn't own it, right? I was confused because 5 of the extensions installed with LO (including PDF Import) still say Oracle. TBH I don't really like locked extensions. I prefer to do a Custom install, remove all Extensions and then add manually only the ones I choose (but unlocked) So I guess there is a chance that in the future there is a separate PDF Import extension available in the Extension repository? In any case it needs to be fixed to work with 3.5.0 so whoever fixes it could package it separately ;) -- Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/PDF-import-extension-tp3577732p3578123.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] A marketing lesson!
Hi all This is how you get your FLOSS Office Suite to be used worlwide: Offer it for free with every purchase of another software! :) http://pdf-pro-online.com/ Merry Christmas ;) -- Pedro (Just in case: I'm not affiliated in any way with the company offering this one in a lifetime promotion!) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-marketing-lesson-tp3602574p3602574.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: A marketing lesson!
italovignoli wrote I would avoid being associated with such a company. I had never heard of them before. But how can you help it? If the next time they choose to offer a free copy of LibreOffice instead of OpenOffice, is there anything TDF can do about it? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-marketing-lesson-tp3602574p3602813.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: A marketing lesson!
e-letter wrote Perhaps this should be considered an unfortunate cost of allowing freedom. Assuming this organisation does not alter the source code, the (L)GPL allows for sale of software. TDF should not be considered liable for the naivity/simplicity of some people buying software that is available freely elsewhere. Actually they don't seem to be selling it. I have no idea what they mean by receive a Free copy... Do they send a link? :) Do you mean the (L)GPL license allows people to sell copies of LibreOffice? I thought it only allowed to charge for production/distribution costs... This is not even the Tragedy of the Commons, it's the Tragedy of the Free riders... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/A-marketing-lesson-tp3602574p3604036.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Apparently someone decided that it was a good idea to replace the Floppy icon. I'm sorry I didn't get a change to vote (if there was any voting) Personally I think that regardless if people know what a Floppy is, they recognized that symbol as the Save icon (basically a blue square with a white rectangle). Today I loaded LO 3.5.0 RC1 and for a moment I thought the Save button was gone, until I realized it was replaced by another icon. I would like to understand how or when this was decided so that next time I can have a say (or not, if user input is not required or wanted) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678013.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Terry Warby wrote What icon set are you using? I have 3.5RC1 installed under both Xubuntu 11.10 and Win7 and have the floppy icon for save in both (using the crystal and galaxy icons). I was using the Automatic (Tango) icon set. I guess from now on I will have to manually switch to another icon set. I am aware that I can switch icon sets. Actually I had already switched before posting here. The point is: did everybody agree that the Floppy icon was a bad idea so that it is no longer the default for any new user? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678054.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Terry Warby wrote Just did a quick check and it seams that of the icon sets I have installed only the tango icon sets don't use the floppy icon. This was probably covered earlier in the thread! At least I can't find any decision or voting... That is what I'm trying to understand. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678103.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hi Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote - if the icon was changed (I don't think it has, my 3.5 beta still has the floppy icon on the mac) then it means someone provided a replacement icon. It certainly has under Windows. Charles-H. Schulz wrote Again I don't remember it was the case, but changes do not occur though discussion, they do occur through effective contribution :-) Of course discussion without contribution is just a waste of time, but contribution without discussion is anarchy, is it not? :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3678324.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Hi again Charles Charles-H. Schulz wrote Hmm... it does not make sense (not what you say, but what's going on), because we don't ship different icons -under the same iconset- on different platforms. I do believe you, but would you be so kind as taking a screenshot of your screen and post it somewhere (flickr, imgur) as this list does not support attachments? I can do that as well on my side. Of course. Here are the small (Auto) size icons using the Automatic (Tango) style http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/LO_3.5.0RC1_Small_icons.png and here are the large size icons http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2347109/LO_3.5.0RC1_Large_icons.png This is under Windows XP Pro x86 SP3 There is no need for you to do the same. Charles-H. Schulz wrote Yes and no; the discussion needs to happen on the relevant list or on the bugzilla and then, it does not need to take long or every item :-) I agree that discussing every item would be a waste of time and would freeze such a large project, but changing a symbol that is universally accepted in any country in the World, under any OS, in any application doesn't seem something that can be modified without wide acceptance. Please understand: I don't have a particular fetish with floppy disks. I just think it that it doesn't make sense to change things that users rely on just because you can. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3679309.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Can we replace Floppy Disk
Charles-H. Schulz wrote So the iconset was indeed changed at the Beta 3 (I had the beta 2 running) and no, it was not well communicated, but the discussion took place on ux-advise and the design list. I also remained (deliberately) on Beta2 in order to test the Update mechanism. I jumped directly to RC1 (I missed Beta3 because it was only available officially for 5 days) Your answer is not very clear: does this mean the icon will change for all platforms? Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Can-we-replace-Floppy-Disk-tp3617084p3681543.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Zaragoza quere organizar a LiboConf 2012
Hi Anton The official language for this forum is English. Although some (many?) members understand Spanish and/or Portuguese (probably not Galego/Galician :) ) it is usual that all emails are in English Good luck with your Proposal ;) Saludos, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Zaragoza-quere-organizar-a-LiboConf-2012-tp3697429p3697447.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibOCon proposals
Cor Nouws wrote Do I remember well that we have/had the idea to choose the organisers one year before? As to give them the opportunity to learn from the current years organisers experience.. (Not that I think, looking at the proposals, that experience is really lacking ;-) ) Could these bids open the possibility to do that right now ? Would of course have as consequence that one of the teams would need to 'conserve' their enthusiasm and commitment for another year ... I couldn't agree more :) Actually I think it would make a LOT more sense if applications for 2013 were opened AFTER the 2012 LibOCon ends. Maybe more people from different countries who go to the 2012 meeting see that it's not so hard after all and might submit their proposals. I think it's a good idea to promote diversity and interest in this project? (Or maybe it is hard and that is why TDF wants people committed for 2013 before it happens? :) ) Just a thought ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibOCon-proposals-tp3696578p3703780.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] IBM is alive ;)
Interesting news on this site http://www.addictivetips.com/internet-tips/ibm-docs-google-docs-like-office-suite-with-advance-share-options/ - add this to the 3.0.1 release of IBM Lotus Symphony (which in a 0.0.1 release manages to change it's spreadsheet from the traditional 65K lines to 1Million lines... Take that Mozilla! :) ) - add this to the current Google monopolistic attitude (they always behaved this way, to be honest): either you accept the whole package (Search, Docs, Google+) and we can search and have access to it all WITH your permission or you can go elsewhere. And we might see IBM getting some good reputation from the desktop users... Now for the elitist part typical of IBM: you can't subscribe to the service with a personal (gmail at least) account :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715436.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
italovignoli wrote IBM has never been involved in TDF, and has been openly bashing TDF and LibreOffice on personal blogs of IBM employees and AOOoI mailing lists. Sorry, but IBM is off topic here. I am well aware of all that (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;) ). Yet, this is also about a competitor product based on the same (original) source code. The migration to the Cloud seems quite interesting and fit for a general discussion list ;) Especially because a cloud version or cloud connected version of LibreOffice is in TDF's plans? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715573.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Jonathan Aquilina wrote I am planning on offering something like that to my clients all they would be paying for is the virtual private server. Online is where everything is going. Pedro have you tried compiling LO from source Michael Meeks told me how to do it and its quite simple to get it compiling for the web at least from what i have been told, will soon find out if that is true. Compiling from source is beyond my skills :) But I'm available to do some testing of your virtual private server ;) However I hope that LO server based is a suite installed on a local server and running on the browser as Google docs does. This would allow to have a centrally updated stable office suite instead of having to install in each PC... If it is done in a similar manner to Google Docs and IBM Docs, the documents can be shared and even edited simultaneously by several users within an intranet. Am I daydreaming? :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3715880.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi Benjamin, all Benjamin Horst wrote http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/features/managing-docs-with-zimbra/ It worked pretty well in my usage, I'd use it again. This is not even similar to Google Docs or IBM Docs. Zimbra Docs is a a WYSIWYG tool for creating, sharing, and publishing documents online - and note that this includes spreadsheets as well as word processing documents. I couldn't find a lot about word processing but what I did find looked more like a Rich Text editor. The spreadsheet is really a 6 columns by 10 lines Table. Naming that a spreadsheet is a little overkill... http://blogs.zdnet.com/images/Zimbra_documents.png In addition the Open Source version is a limited version of the paid one (I really feel cheated with this trick...) I guess this is not what I was referring to ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3716030.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi Benjamin Benjamin Horst wrote If you are serious about evaluating existing competitors in this space and want to carry out real due diligence, you need to download and install the Zimbra open source version to experiment with it. The installation I used was set up by our IT team, and I don't know how they configured it, what add-ons they may have installed, whether we were using the open source or closed source versions, etc. I'll be happy to help you. Do you have a server or VM that we could use to test? Thank you for your offer. But Zimbra is not what I'm looking for. And I really won't test a product just to find out that the feature that I need Is available on the paid Professional version. I sincerely prefer to test a Trial version which has all features but a limited time than a limited version. I guess I'll keep waiting for LOWE :) Kind regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3716220.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi donald, donald_harbison wrote What is this talk about a competitor product? The Apache OpenOffice project does not seek to compete with LibreOffice. *I* mentioned a competitor to LibreOffice (not Italo) and was referring to IBM Lotus Symphony and the web service IBM Docs. Quoting my email to answer Italo doesn't make sense because I wasn't attacking Apache or even IBM (IMO some IBM employees bashing TDF on their blogs and on public mailing lists and forums, does not make it a corporate decision ;)) I think you two should exchange private email ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3723417.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: IBM is alive ;)
Hi again Don donald_harbison wrote What matters most is to help end users understand the benefits of ODF as their file format, and improve interoperability with the dominance of MS-Office formats. I agree with you that joining forces (instead of fighting for the crumbles and let MS keep all the cake) makes a LOT of sense. But I think that more important than each house wasting time and resources building their own version of an Office Suite, it would be much more useful to make ODF a really compatible and superior file format. My 2 cents ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3724302.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi again Charles Charles-H.Schulz wrote Do you have examples? I'd be happy to hear about them, I'm sure we work in a very similar fashion... Of course. Here is an excellent one http://emergedesktop.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1419 You don't work in a similar fashion ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3726162.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi again Charles Charles-H.Schulz wrote What this thread says -and I took the time not to just look at the thread but at the other areas of the project as well- is that developers listen to user feedback. And that's probably a good thing to do although some people might disagree (cf. Henry Ford); yet listening to user feedback hardly makes up a democracy. It's user feedback. In some cases it might be a case of nice customer service. But it does not help that much. I'll explain myself. Let's see. The developer is asking the community who is using a given feature (which he states would prefer to drop). Yet he subjects this to an open poll (not even limited to the registered forum users) and he is willing to accept the opinion of the majority. If that is not a democracy, it's damn close! How is that even similar to meritocracy? Meritocracy would be: I'm the developer, I don't have time for this so I'm dropping it. If some one else wants to keep developing it, just do it. I'm not arguing that all those projects that you pointed do not follow the same logic (I'm not saying this is a TDF / LO exclusive). I'm just showing you that other FOSS projects can be (and some are!) democratic. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3726667.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Charles-H.Schulz wrote You have similar polls in supermarkets. But supermarkets are no democracies. Really? Supermarkets make polls for products they do not wish to sell? And they do accept the shopper's decision? I have never seen such a supermarket! Anyway even if the developers aren't elected by the users (to have what you call a democratic structure) it still is pretty close to a democracy and much more community friendly than meritocracy ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3726790.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Sophie Gautier wrote the size of our community makes it very difficult to manage the feedback from our users That is exactly what I said :) I accept that it is difficult to have democracy in such a large community. My argument is that FOSS is not inherently incompatible with democracy, contrary to David's logical demonstration and to Charles' argumentation. In any case it would be a futile exercise to just do a Poll since it would not bind anyone to the results :) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3727022.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi NoOp NoOp wrote What distrurbs me is that the new LO Tango icons do not follow the standard base Tango theme. As I pointed out in the other thread: lt;http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.documentfoundation.discuss/7633gt; Probably because someone hardcoded somewhere a list of the themes allowed. Try renaming any of the zip files and it will no longer show up on the Themes list. That is why the theme I modified is named tango instead of old_tango.zip NoOp wrote Other applications, and the desktop (GNOME), that I use adhere to the base Tango theme. I fail to understand why LO insists on bastardizing the theme and still calling it Tango. Even the LO icon name fails to follow the freedesktop.org naming convention of 'document-save', and instead LO have kept the name used in Ooo: lc_save.png. I thought the idea was to be consistent with the Linux icons. I can see now that it was not. Which even disappoints me more about the process... NoOp wrote If you want the floppy, use the default Galaxy theme: Tools|Options|LibreOffice|View|Icon size and style: Glalaxy (default). lt;http://www.openoffice.org/ui/VisualDesign/OOo_galaxy.htmlgt; I already have the floppy :) and I don't particularly like the Galaxy theme. Thank you anyway for the suggestion! Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3731131.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
v_2e wrote I like this set of Icons I have in LibreOffice right now: http://wombat.org.ua/LibreOffice-icons.png and I hope it will be possible to use them in future versions of LibreOffice. Will it? That is the Galaxy theme from version 3.3.x and 3.4.x (which curiously is the only theme included in LibreOfficePortable 3.3.x and 3.4.x) What I can tell you is that the Galaxy theme is NOT one of the four Themes included and that you can't use a Theme from version 3.3.x or 3.4.x directly. Only someone in the Design section can answer if there is a tool to convert the icon Theme to version 3.5.x... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3732710.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: The Floppy icon and meritocracy
Hi Vladimir v_2e wrote But the screenshot I gave a link to is a screenshot of LibreOffice 3.5.0 RC2 (if I'm remember correctly). In any case, it certainly is the 3.5-branch. And this theme was there when I upgraded from 3.4.x to 3.5.0 for the first time. Doesn't it mean that this theme is: a) working with LO 3.5; b) is included as a default theme? Yes, it is still included as Default (although for a new install you will get the Automatic (Tango) theme and have to manually switch to Default... a bit odd...) Sorry for the confusion. I messed the Galaxy theme while hacking my Tango-with-Floppy theme :) FYI the Galaxy theme is contained in images.zip in folder your install folder\share\config\ Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3734853.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Re: IBM is alive ;)
Ian Lynch wrote Without it AOO/LO has no long term future. Most of us in my company use Google Docs and our own web pages in Drupal far more than we use Writer and Calc. Ok, we are a bit ahead of the general curve but the scope to collaborate with our business partners is just so much more efficient it's a no-brainer. We rarely need complex features but we do need to share ideas and document development. For us Writer and Calc are more to do with handling legacy documents from customers and government agencies than the sharp end of the business. Which means that it makes even more sense to have a LibO Docs installed in your own server, instead of having them in Google Docs (unless you happen to trust Google :) ) or IBM Docs (which IMO has more credibility than Google, but still the documents are on THEIR servers) This would also mean you should be able to handle all the legacy documents from a single Office suite instead of having to learn/teach two different Office suites. Makes perfect sense to me. The more I think about, the more I hope it will become a reality! Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/IBM-is-alive-tp3715436p3734882.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Best way to suggest new features ?
Fabian Rodriguez wrote You're mixing up two things here. A dev can adopt a feature (or even implement a feature he wants) directly, but it rests on the community to accept it, not the other way around. Normally a feature would go through such due process, in some cases it may be rejected even if several devs line up to implement it. I think you are confusing community-driven with democratic as I did. Get yourself a large cup of tea and read this topic http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/The-Floppy-icon-and-meritocracy-tp3725399p3725399.html Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Best-way-to-suggest-new-features-tp3784811p3794511.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Version Mismatch/Conflict
I also use SUMo and you are correct about the number mismatch. In fact the version reported in the exe should be 3.5.1.2 and not 3.5.0.102 If you noticed in branch 3.4.x it was even more confusing :) Current release 3.4.6 is identified in the exe as 3.4.602.500 :) For your information the version number for the current development version 3.5.2rc1 is 3.5.0.201 (the last digit is the RC version) As you can see the developers are aware of this problem http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fwd-tdf-discuss-LibreOffice-Version-Mismatch-Conflict-tt3854036.html -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Version-Mismatch-Conflict-tp3853714p3854153.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Version Mismatch/Conflict
Help_Please wrote Do I keep the current version I already have installed or do I revert back to v3.4.6.x ? If you haven't found any problems with 3.5.1.2 I think you should keep it. Help_Please wrote And, do you know possibly when there will be a version correction released ? Just a though. Again ... thanks. Maybe it will be fixed for version 3.5.3 (I doubt that it is fixed for 3.5.2), since apparently the version number check has implications for some security checks. But only a Dev can provide a definitive answer. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Version-Mismatch-Conflict-tp3853714p3855459.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Version Mismatch/Conflict
Help_Please wrote And, do you know possibly when there will be a version correction released ? I submitted a bug report to bugzilla. https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=47840 This increases the odds of getting it fixed ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Version-Mismatch-Conflict-tp3853714p3855576.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Recent Document List
Russbe wrote For security reasons, I wish to suppress the Recent Document List when I open a file in Writer. I assume you asked the same question here? http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/2298/suppress-recent-document-list You already have an answer there. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Recent-Document-List-tp3952054p3952809.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice priorities
Hi all In the sequence of a question at AskLibO which I felt compelled to answer, I believe that TDF might consider reviewing or at least clarifying the strategy for LibreOffice... http://ask.libreoffice.org/question/2685/why-nobody-from-libreoffice-answers-unanswered IMHO after several releases it is possibly time to slow down a bit and concentrate on Quality instead of Quantity... Just a thought... Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-priorities-tp3984316.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities
Hi Marc Marc Paré wrote Actually, after reading the bug report, I checked to see if I had the same problem. I read the suggestion of resetting the profile and it now works properly. Let me know if this works for you too and I will file a report on your submitted bug confirming the fix. Resetting the user profile is hardly a fix. I think the correct name is workaround. Although this is acceptable for advanced users, it is enough to make someone who is trying out LibreOffice to give up (see comments in AskLibO and User mailing list) Returning to the subject of this topic, adding a mechanism (i.e. a one click button to Repair profile) to fix this kind of problems would be a good addition to the usability and friendliness of the Suite. (Before someone shoots the LibreOffice default comment Why don't you fix it yourself? TM, I want to add that I am not a developer) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-priorities-tp3984316p3984508.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice priorities
Hi Cor Cor Nouws wrote On the Dutch list, I've never seen any user unable to perform it. Still, it's a pity that people have to as for such a solution in the first place. A user who is already on ANY mailing list has already taken more steps than the gross majority of the claimed 25 million users so he/she is probably more determined and skilled than the average curious user who is only giving LibreOffice a try. This of course is related to the topic LibreOffice priorities: LibreOffice/TDF can continue to ignore the users who try and give up because they are not worth it. You can see in AskLibO the ammount of users having problems with 3.5.x releases and yet LibreOffice/TDF only recommends the 3.5.x branch (it takes a pretty determined person to find out that in fact there is an older, more stable version available...) Cor Nouws wrote Nice idea. Since renaming the user profile cannot be done when the suite itself is running, that should involve some external task. Not necessarily. You could use the reload method used by many Open Source programs (e.g. Firefox, Thunderbird, Chromium) were changes that can not be performed while the program is loaded are followed by a message like ProgramX needs to reload for this change to apply. Reload now? Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-priorities-tp3984316p3984738.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
Marc Paré wrote Would it be a good idea to organize a monthly call for a AskLibO blitz? Obviously it would be better than the current situation :) The main problem with AskLibO is that there are few people answering questions on a regular basis. With few people around there are obviously many areas of LibreOffice that are unknown and therefore unanswered. The second problem is that most people expect to be answered immediately. If the answer doesn't pop-up while the user is still on the site (and they probably don't wait more than 2 minutes...) then even if an answer is provided, the user is already gone. This means that since the person who asked the question most of the times doesn't bother to check for an answer (or forgets to mark any of the answers as correct), then the number of the unanswered questions is almost the same as all questions (685 out of 855 as I write) This means that not only people who make an effort to provide answers don't see any feedback but also makes it harder to find truly unanswered questions... I think this tool has a great potential as a knowledge base but it fails because of the wrong usage by people who ask questions who expect this to behave as some sort of IRC channel... Just my 2 cents ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-blitzes-tp3984755p3985023.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
Terrence Enger wrote I was excited when AskLibo started, only to find that OpenId is required for using it. And the OpenId providers advertised all have impressive terms of use, impressive as in long and daunting. What if BrowserID was added (or replaced OpenID)? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-blitzes-tp3984755p3985027.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
Terrence Enger wrote Is this easy to implement? I have not heard that anybody else is worried by OpenID, and I cannot realistically expect that my contributions will be worth awfully much. I have no idea :) A lot of people are worried by OpenID because they don't trust the companies involved (I use my Gmail login, but I'm not too comfortable with Google owning more information about me... they already know far too much...) The fact that there aren't a lot of people complaining could be related to the fact that you need to register (either to AskLibO or these mailing lists) to complain... which is called a Catch 22 :) IMO any contribution (such as exposing your opinion in a polite way) is a valid contribution ;) Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-blitzes-tp3984755p3985087.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
Marc Paré wrote Perhaps the convenience of using OpenID is what makes it better for general use. I don't know if implementing BrowserID along with OpenID is possible (most things are possible). We have also talked about perhaps hosting our own OpenID, then people would be able to register with TDF/LibreOffice and log in with this ID. But this is still an ongoing discussion. OpenID is convenient but many Open Source users don't want to open an account with the big sharks to be able to have an universal login. Having to register with TDF/LibreOffice (again!) completely defeats the concept of a universal login. BrowserID seems to be the only company independent universal login. You just need to have an email account. Any email account will do. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-blitzes-tp3984755p3985175.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
Hi Marc Marc Paré wrote OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that dispenses OpenID login/passwords The fact that it is a Foundation does not make it trustworthy per se ;) Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is collected by the foundation's servers, the data is available to all, right? Marc Paré wrote *OpenID is sponsored by many members, does collect demographic information and shares it with groups who carry the OpenID on their site[2 section: Access rich user profiel data]. If TDF/LibreOffice were to become a member member as well as maintain its own OpenID, the LibreOffice could decide what kind of data is collected. That is exactly the point :) Why should other companies which I don't have any relation with know WHERE and WHEN I logged in? Marc Paré wrote It all depends on who you trust as well as the popularity of system. If the TDF/LibreOffice becomes and OpenID provider, then, OpenID user would then put their trust in the TDF/LibreOffice. With BrowserID, we put our trust into the Mozilla Group. That would be better than putting my trust in Google (a company that accidentally collects unencrypted wifi data...) but still the login data is shared with the other consortium members... I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch browser. ALL of my online information is typed on a browser programmed by Mozilla. Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the hands of Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome) Regardless of who is involved, it appears to me that the BrowserID model preserves more your online privacy than the OpenID model... Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-blitzes-tp3984755p3985242.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AskLibO blitzes
Hi Marc Marc Paré wrote OpenID is a foundation and yes, it does provide traffic statistics to its members. In our case TDF/LibreOffice could become a member that dispenses OpenID login/passwords The fact that it is a Foundation does not make it trustworthy per se ;) Even so since the traffic generated by a TDF/LO OpenID is collected by the foundation's servers, the data is available to all, right? I think this is the way it works. Although, the foundation TDF does represent all of us, collectively. Who then can you really trust any better than yourself? I was referring to the OpenID Foundation, not to TDF. And I was referring to the traffic data being available to all the OpenID members not to all TDF members. In any case TDF does not represent me since i'm not a member and i have not elected it's members :) I'm just a free user ;) Marc Paré wrote I guess that if I stopped trusting Mozilla I would have to switch browser. ALL of my online information is typed on a browser programmed by Mozilla. Compared to that, only a small portion of the information is in the hands of Google (and that is why I deliberately don't use Chrome) Hmmm, Mozilla makes the bulk of its operating funds from the Google Search window. So when you search from this window, I imagine that Google is also (with the help of the Mozilla Group) listening in on the search patterns of FF users. Yes, i'm aware that any search is logged, especially if i'm logged in to my Gmail account on any tab (which i avoid doing). But i was referring to the browser itself. I have to believe that the browser is not logging and sending what i type in my work's webmail or on my website's PMs or any other information typed on the main browser window. If i begin to doubt that, then i will enter into severe paranoia :) Marc Paré wrote Regardless of the method, there will always be a primary organism that will collect the login/password data. In our case, the data we collect would go towards making the site more accessible and more of a fruitful event for our users. I don't believe at this point either system is better or worse. Of course having a single OpenID for all TDF sites would be a great improvement. But it would still be yet another set of login/password to memorize... And as i said having TDF as the primary organism gives me more confidence than any of the existing OpenID members. But i was referring to the concern of using a TDF OpenID on other sites and having that traffic information shared with to all OpenID corporate members. Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AskLibO-blitzes-tp3984755p3985318.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Text are truncated after saving document
This request for help should be in the Users mailing list, not the Discuss mailing list ;) It would also save time if you had posted the sample file at AskLibO instead of asking the same question on two sites. For your information your document is an RTF with a wrong DOC extension (just open it in any text editor). I believe this was an old Abiword bug. LibreOffice has some known problems in handling with RTF files. The fact that it is incorrectly identified as a MS Word DOC file doesn't help either. Unfortunately opening and saving in several text editors can have this kind of problems... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Text-are-truncated-after-saving-document-tp3988204p3988278.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Looking for an easier way to do the following in a spreadsheet
Why does the number of columns have to be odd? If you add one more column the problem is solved :) If there is an absolute reason that the number of columns MUST be odd, then all cells starting from the second row need to check if the previous two cells are equal. You can do this with an IF function. Then you can copy the second row to as many as you need. Hope this helps ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Looking-for-an-easier-way-to-do-the-following-in-a-spreadsheet-tp3995544p3997093.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???
Hi all I believe all developers agree that a .0 release is usually not a good version to adopt (many IT people don't even consider it) In particular version 3.6.0 is known to have serious flaws (see end of page under Most Annoying Bugs http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-new-features-and-fixes/) However the ONLY download visible in the Download page is 3.6.0 (it takes 4 or 5 pages in not so obvious links to get to version 3.5.5 AND version still 3.6.0 is Recommended!!!) http://www.libreoffice.org/download/?type=win-x86lang=en-US Opinions? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-3-6-0-is-Recommended-tp4000505.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Version 3.6.0 is Recommended???
Hi Cor, Steven, all Unfortunately nothing has been done to change the download page... But it's August... Steven Shelton wrote Actually, I'd really like it if we made the older versions (older than 3.5) available. Currently, you can't download anything older than v 3.5.5. We still run LibO 3.4 at my office because of a serious bug in the way Calc handles data filtering (see Bug 46480). Both LibO 3.5 and LibO 3.6 are useless if you are trying to filter data from a database into a spreadsheet. I can only install LibO 3.4 on new machines because I was smart enough to save my downloads when LibO 3.4 was the new version. Just marked it as Regression. This should give it a higher priority. Now lets hope some dev fancies fixing it :) Just choose which version you want ;) http://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/DocumentFoundation/libreoffice/stable/ even Beta versions... http://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/DocumentFoundation/libreoffice/testing/ -- Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Version-3-6-0-is-Recommended-tp4000505p4001239.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Which version to get?
Hi all I just noticed that there were some improvements in the download page. Version 3.6.1 is now the default suggested version (unlike what is recommended here http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan) But there are some warnings But since this is the second version in the 3.6 series, please read the release notes (see right). On the release notes page you get LibreOffice 3.6.1 Final (2012-08-29) This is the second release from the 3.6 branch of LibreOffice.It contains many exciting new features, and is the recommended version for early adopters and power home users. (See this page for LibreOffice 3.5.) If you do click on this page you arrive at http://www.libreoffice.org/download-more/ I think this page needs URGENT updating... Not only it says that the previous (and buggy) version 3.6.0 is Our latest, feature rich version which obviously is not true, but also that version 3.5.5 is the Previous version (although there is a link to version 3.5.6 further down...) Obviously this is none of my business, but I'm sure TDF can do better than this at promoting this office suite... Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Which-version-to-get-tp4005101.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-website] Re: [tdf-discuss] Which version to get?
Hi Cor Cor Nouws wrote (It would be more time-efficient for you I guess, if you just send a reminder that the page is forgotten or so, without the rest of the writing ;-) ) Agreed. No chatting just work ;) Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Which-version-to-get-tp4005101p4005183.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] LibreOffice Portable
Hi all Is TDF in some way related to LibreOffice Portable? Shouldn't there be an equivalent Portable version for each stable release? Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Portable-tp4009436.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Portable
Hi Christian Christian Lohmaier (klammer) wrote Only insofar that Portable versions are hosten on our mirror infrastructure and are advertized/available on our download pages. They are not produced by TDF itself. Thanks. That is what I thought. Christian Lohmaier (klammer) wrote Shouldn't there be an equivalent Portable version for each stable release? Portable releases always come a little after the original release, but if there is one, it is added... My question is related to a problem I run into today while opening an odt created in 3.5.x and that won't open in 3.6.2.1 There is no Portable version of 3.5.6 only of 3.5.5 (released in July 12th) However version 3.6.1 is already available (released in Sept 11th) This leads me to think that the guys creating the Portable version are possibly going to ignore version 3.5.7 (which is currently in rc1) in the same way that they never released version 3.4.6 Of course any user can update the Portable install manually but it is not a simple trivial task. I think that for testing and because of regressions it would be good that the Portable version would match all stable versions of each branch. Better yet, it would be good if the last version of each branch was kept available at the LO download site. Just a suggestion for TDF to consider. Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Portable-tp4009436p4009474.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Portable
Hi Thorsten, all Thorsten Behrens wrote All old versions are available under http://downloadarchive.documentfoundation.org/libreoffice/old/ - we just don't advertize that widely, they have less features, more bugs, known security issues etc. ;) Actually I always use the mirror mentioned by Rainer, which has all the versions. (Thanks Rainer, I already knew about that hidden treasure ;) ) ftp://ftp.uni-muenster.de/pub/software/LibreOffice/portable/ The old archive you pointed to contains a Portable folder for each version regardless of if it exists or not... The Muenster mirror only has folders for versions that do exist, which is more logic and more efficient. In this particular case I wanted to go back to branch 3.5.x because of a regression and it makes all sense that Portable version keeps up with a branch that is still under development. I agree that older versions have less features. But they don't necessarily have more bugs and they have less regressions! I think that it is bad enough that the official download page barely mentions that a more stable version is available, actively updated and maintained. I really don't understand TDF's logic... Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Portable-tp4009436p4009555.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Portable
Hi Thorsten, all Continuing our discussion in public: if branch 3.5 is the stable one, isn't it correct to assume that PortableApps AND TDF should be coherent with the ReleasePlan? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleasePlan If there is only one Recommended version then it should be the current branch until the new branch reaches x.x.3 That is the version that TDF and PortableApps should have available. Otherwise it is BAD propaganda to have an Early adopters version (TDF's own definition) as the showcase for LibreOffice (Portable or not) However if TDF doesn't follow their own Release Lifecycle (see image in the linked page), how can you ask that from PortableApps? This is something that the BoD needs to decide. If the Lifecycle has no value, then stop wasting time and resources on maintaining the previous branch. If it makes sense then don't recommend the new branch until it reaches x.x.3 The download page just needs to reflect this decision. All other versions are in different states of Development. These should be available on a *separate* page for people who don't mind having unstable versions but want the latest features (of course whining is not acceptable from such users but bug reporting his highly valued) And to be coherent with this only the recommended version should be announced. Announcing versions from both branches (http://blog.documentfoundation.org/) just generates confusion. Just my 2 cents Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Portable-tp4009436p4009682.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LibreOffice Portable
Hi Thorsten, all Thorsten Behrens wrote This is something that the BoD needs to decide. If the Lifecycle has no value, then stop wasting time and resources on maintaining the previous branch. If it makes sense then don't recommend the new branch until it reaches x.x.3 This seems ultimately to be still an issue of how http://www.libreoffice.org/download/ is worded, right? No. There is no wording that can change the fact that TDF is recommending version 3.6.1 If it wasn't the Large Buttons should be pointing to version 3.5.6 (and soon to version 3.5.7) It is a matter of the BoD taking a decision. Does the Lifecycle make sense? If it doesn't then just drop the previous branch when the next .0 version is announced. If it does then follow it. Thorsten Behrens wrote Also please bear in mind that sweeping x.x.0-x.x.2 [1] under a rug will not necessarily make the experience a better one, once we switch users to x.x.3 subsequently. If it doesn't make the experience a better one it means that the new version still has more disadvantages than advantages i.e. it should not be recommended. This is not an argument to say that versions should only be *released* when they are better than the previous. But they should only be *recommended* when are better than the previous. Thorsten Behrens wrote [1] I would not take the x.x.3 will be recommended as the law - maybe x.x.2 is already good enough, maybe only x.x.4 is. Exactly. That is something the BoD has to decide. After all the quality of LibreOffice should be the BoD's main concern IMO... Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-Portable-tp4009436p4009770.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
Thorsten Behrens wrote terribly sorry if we ever gave that impression. Admittedly, the entry on http://www.documentfoundation.org/contribution/ was worded like that (Public discussions of the Board of Directors), but I'm rather certain it should read List for focused interaction of the public with the Board of Directors instead. Page changed accordingly, board-discuss in Cc: in case there's disagreement. ;) I'm not sure that is the idea. Otherwise you would not get the following message when you try to post to that list on Nabble Authorized Users Only Only authorized users can proceed in this area. You can use the form below to send a request to the administrators. Access Request Explain to the administrator(s) why you want to access this restricted area. I particularly like the part Explain why So I guess it was not meant for interaction of the public. Maybe interaction of the members at best... Regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Rules-of-Procedure-approved-for-TDF-board-of-directors-tp4010079p4010349.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: Topic of board-discuss list (was: [tdf-discuss] Re: Rules of Procedure approved for TDF board of directors)
Thorsten Behrens wrote No idea - if you subscribe via board-discuss+subscribe@ , you can post w/o moderation, like on every other TDF mailing list. Nabble misconfiguration? It is not a misconfiguration. It is a different configuration. I think you are misinterpreting the words Public discussion list for the Document Foundation board of directors. It is exactly what it means: a discussion list FOR the TDF BoD members ONLY with open contents (anyone can read for the sake of transparency), but not open participation. The Discuss list is for open participation. Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Re-Rules-of-Procedure-approved-for-TDF-board-of-directors-tp4010079p4010381.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: LO vs AOO : GPL/LGPL vs ASL licences
Immanuel Giulea wrote the GPL/LGPL licence used by LO was superior to the ASL as a true open source. Any thoughts on how relevant it would be to extract some of the information and apply it on the materials? Actually it's the other way around. The ASL is superior in it's openness. That is why LO can use code from AOO but not the other way around. My personal understanding is that the ASL allows any commercial company to take the code at any point and start a new product without any legal obligation to return any improvements to the community... In any case that is just confusing and irrelevant for users. The main difference is that OpenOffice development stopped for a year and that Apache is slowly developing AOO . TDF adopted a time based release model (similar to Ubuntu) and started a fast pace evolution of LibreOffice. Currently the evolution of LO is such that adopting AOO is going back in time. See these pages for the most obvious differences http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-5-new-features-and-fixes/ http://www.libreoffice.org/download/3-6-new-features-and-fixes/ and much more coming for the 4.0 release ;) Hope this helps... Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LO-vs-AOO-GPL-LGPL-vs-ASL-licences-tp4026736p4026839.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [tdf-discuss] How did AOO figure it was worth $21 Million dollars a day or $7 billion per year?
Italo, you are a firm defender of LibreOffice but sometimes your hate for AOO and Rob Weir blind you and then you loose any argument. italovignoli wrote Do you really believe that a Mongolian who was used to use OOo in Mongolian is happy to use AOO in English? This is just an example, but the concept is exactly the same for another 80 languages, which might be minor for someone speaking only English but are not minor for the people speaking that language. No one mentioned updates. The statistics are for downloads per country. And yes, there are for sure many Mongolians that speak and read English and are happy to use a software in English. I am Portuguese but I prefer to use the software in English. Assuming that people can only use a software if it is available in their native language is both absurd and paternalist. In any case I agree with a previous argument Instead of advertising the value of Free Software to the public (and LibreOffice is Free Software as AOO also is), you only think in a LibreOffice versus AOO pattern. As a Director of the Document Foundation it would be much more interesting if you provided similar information ABOUT LibreOffice instead of AGAINST AOO... -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/How-did-AOO-figure-it-was-worth-21-Million-dollars-a-day-or-7-billion-per-year-tp4038695p4038884.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Install path for LibreOffice under Windows
Hi all I just updated my LibreOffice 3.6.5.2 install to 4.0.1.2 under Windows for the second time. The first time I used the suggested install path (%ProgramFiles%\LibreOffice 3.6\ and %ProgramFiles%\LibreOffice 4.0\) I noticed that all the extensions installed as shared (i.e. for All Users) were left behind in the %ProgramFiles%\LibreOffice 3.6 folder. So I had to manually delete the folder (because there is no way to uninstall the leftovers otherwise) and had to reinstall again under LO 4.0 Because I was testing for items not imported in the user Profile (https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57061) I decided to give it another go and start from zero. So I installed LO 3.6.5.2 in folder %ProgramFiles%\LibreOffice\ added all the extensions, changed all settings to my preferences and then updated to 4.0 In addition to finding that profile migration (albeit not perfect) is much better now, all my extensions were correctly working. So my question is: is there any reason that LibreOffice under Windows does not install to \LibreOffice\? Under Windows a single version is associated with the registry keys and with the odf files, so the installer removes the previous version before installing a new one. I can see no advantage in installing to a version named folder under Windows... If there is no particular reason, then the future LibreOffice 4.0.2 (a month from now) could be a changing point and install to \LibreOffice\ and be the last version where these problems occur... Then when Version 4.1 is out (somewhere in July) this problem would already be solved (hopefully forever :) ). Just another 2 cents ;) Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows
Hi Stuart Thank you for your answer! V Stuart Foote wrote There are a few issues that make it problematic. Paramount is that the .MSI packaging for Microsoft Installer is kind of fragile, and Andras Timar is just one deep as primary maintainer of the multilanguage packaging. We'd need to hear from Andras and some of the other Windows integrators about just how much work is needed--and what it could potentially break. And also their assessment of the impact it would have on addressing other higher priority issues with Windows builds, e.g. file associations, 64-bit installer logic, integration with Windows 8 shell, etc. That is exactly what I would like to hear. I believe that it would make file associations easier (because the path would not change with each new .1 version) V Stuart Foote wrote One unintentional advantage of retaining a versioned installation under Windows is the ability to cleanly install the base program and bundled extensions into its own directory with no impact from non-managed extensions. That is a two edged sword :) On one hand it does start from a clean slate. On the other hand the user/admin will have to remember and reinstall all the extensions set for all users. And that can be a serious productivity stopper... I believe that in the future LO must have a compatibility checker like Mozilla Another disadvantage is that for each .1 update there will be a remaining \LO x.x\shared folder left behind. That means that someone who has been updating since version 3.3 and is now using 4.0 should now have four leftover folders. This has two down sides: The wasted disk space (depending on the number of extensions used) and the sloppy image (I know other Windows uninstallers fail to remove all traces, but those are the BAD uninstallers and LO doesn't want to compare to those ;) ) V Stuart Foote wrote None the less, it is a reasonable enhancement, submit an enhancement bug--should get additional perspective that way. Will do. But I would like to have some more feedback on this topic. Maybe even from Andras, since you mention he is the expert. Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530p4042884.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows
Hi Andras Andras Timar wrote On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Pedro lt; pedlino@ gt; wrote: So my question is: is there any reason that LibreOffice under Windows does not install to \LibreOffice\? Not really. AFAIK it is just a legacy setting. Default install location can be changed either from installer UI, or by the INSTALLLOCATION property from the msiexec's command line. All settings, registry keys etc. will accommodate automatically. Migration of extensions is a different issue, I'm not an expert of that. So in theory it would not be a problem changing this (for the Windows OS only) to default to an un-numbered folder. If \LibreOffice\ is the default folder, there is no need for extension migration at all. They are already where the program expects them, just like the User extensions. Enhancement request added to Bugzilla https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=62303 Best regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530p4043609.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Install path for LibreOffice under Windows
Hi Stuart V Stuart Foote wrote Install directory to be adjusted to LibreOffice 4, rather than dropping numbered versioning completely as proposed. Also won't adopt for 4.0.3, so soonest implementation will be at 4.1.0 RC1 Thank you for the update. I don't see any logic in this half-way solution. Instead of fixing this permanently (by simply removing the number), the ESC postponed this into 2015 (or whenever version 5.0 is released) Why insist on the Linux model under Windows? Mozilla Firefox changes major version about every month. Do they have a version named folder? Answering Andras question are there really migration problems? If the question is: are there study cases where this has been demonstrated to be an obstacle? Then the answer is No. But unfortunately, there aren't that many study case reports Yet, there are problems: you need to reinstall All User extensions for every version change. If keeping extensions is acceptable for User extensions (which potentially are installed by less knowledgeable users than the system admin) why not use the same logic for extensions that affect all users in a machine? Please consider these facts. Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Install-path-for-LibreOffice-under-Windows-tp4041530p4043912.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Open source and open formats
Hi all In the sequence of this topic at the Marketing list http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Open-Xchange-to-launch-open-source-browser-based-office-suite-tp4045197.html I share Simon Phipps' concern that the company announces a GPL Open Source office suite which is not free for commercial use??? Is this even possible under GPL? This just spreads further confusion on how free Open Source software really is... Another sentence that worries me is Microsoft Word .docx files and OpenOffice.org and LibreOffice .odt files This is bad marketing and bad public image that ODT seems to be proprietary of OpenOffice and LibreOffice. And yet I don't see any concerns about this in the topic commenting the news article. Shouldn't TDF be championing the ODF open formats or is this an OASIS job? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Open-source-and-open-formats-tp4045522.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
Hi Immanuel The Discuss mailing list is dead. It is used to post official news items but unlike it's exciting name, there is little to no discussion in here. Regarding your subject, I think that LibreOffice could target those users but there are two obstacles: the file conversion is not perfect AND (most important) those users are already too used to MS Office. It is easier to convince new users to work with a different product than to teach new tricks to old dogs. In any case it's up to the TDF Directors to worry/answer your question :) Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/End-of-Life-support-for-MSO-2003-countdown-tp4050964p4051512.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: NMake vs MinGW
Jonathan Aquilina wrote Joel we are really complicating things with mingw when all one would need to do is install visual studio and run nmake from its command line and you are good to go. Because MinGW is an Open Source compiler and Visual Studio is a closed source, commercial compiler which has a free limited version. Using Visual Studio is a courtesy (which could stop at any time). Using an Open Source tool to build an Open Source program makes ALL sense. (unfortunately Jan Holesovsky aka Kendy from Suse, who set up and maintains the MinGW tinderbox seems to have his hands full with other stuff) See these old topics about MinGW http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Compiling-in-Windows-td1792684.html and http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/MinGW-master-build-td3400162.html -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/NMake-vs-MinGW-tp4051639p4051704.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
Hi upscope upscope wrote I will be glad to supply the document if it would help, and the author agrees (should be no problem). Let me know if that will help. Of course it helps! Please submit the document and any problems you find https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice upscope wrote Thanks for your interest and I'll keep testing new version until it works. Don't just wait for a version to work for you. Submitting the bugs, documents, problems you find will increase the *chances* that your problems are fixed... Although submitting bugs/documents is no guarantee that any developer will look at them or fix them, NOT submitting is our worst possible option :) Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/End-of-Life-support-for-MSO-2003-countdown-tp4050964p4051842.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: End of Life support for MSO 2003 countdown ?
upscope wrote Russ .docx was 2007 onwards. What can i help with on mac? Yes I was aware of that. If you are using LO writer, see if the document attached to the bug report opens displays the full graphic and text. There are graphics on almost all pages and some open completely but not in the right location, some only partially open, etc. Actually Jonathan's point is quite relevant. If you save the example document you provided in .doc format in your MS Office (instead of saving in docx) you will notice that actually it is quite well preserved and can be transferred back and forth between LibreOffice and MS Word. Since the original discussion is about LibreOffice replacing Office 2003, then I believe it might be a realistic replacement with some quirks. I should also add that a perfectly formatted document (using styles and page/margin limits instead of tabs and spaces) is much more resistant to conversions ;) This is not an excuse to say that LibreOffice does not need to improve A LOT, especially with regards to Office XML formats. Currently most documents can not go back and forth (because LO barely supports Office XML and Office barely supports ODF...) So there is room for improvement in the new file format versions but keeping to the old Office 2003 formats is currently the best option. Hope this helps ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/End-of-Life-support-for-MSO-2003-countdown-tp4050964p4051957.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Tool Bar Icons...
Hi Angela Angela wrote I've just recently upgraded LibreOffice on the EeePC 900 to LibreOffice 3.4.4 OOO340m1 (Build:402). However, I now have the lower button bar that has most of the icons, like Bold, Italic, Underline, etc. that with the updated looks of the tool bar have become at about unreadable You should indeed update to version 3.6.6 to get the most stable and compatible version (unless there is some regression which blocks your work, in which case you should report it) The toolbar in your screenshot is the High Contrast style which is not the default. You can change that in Tools, Options, LibreOffice, View, Icon Size and Style. In addition, to the left of the Formatting toolbar you have the Navigation toolbar which is increasing the width (and is not open by default). If you move it to the upper row or hide it (in View, Toolbars, Navigation) you can reduce the width to 800 pixels without hiding any buttons (which makes it usable even in the smaller eeePC 701 ;) ) Hope this helps! -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Tool-Bar-Icons-tp4052213p4052236.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Annoyance (Bug?) in Page Preview while Gallery is displayed (Writer 4.0.2)
Hi foberle foberle wrote I'm using LibreOffice Writer Version 4.0.2.2 (Build ID: 400m0(Build:2)) on Ubuntu 12.04 64 bit. I can confirm the same behaviour under Windows. I'm not sure if this is a bug (it is indeed an annoyance). The Discuss list is not the place to report bugs/ask for enhancements. You should report this on the LibreOffice bug tracker https://bugs.freedesktop.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=LibreOffice Hope this helps. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Annoyance-Bug-in-Page-Preview-while-Gallery-is-displayed-Writer-4-0-2-tp4054019p4054060.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AMD joins LibreOffice, adds GPU grunt to free software suite
Since Intel is also a TDF partner, do these optimizations also work on Intel based PCs? Can anyone comment on this? If the optimizations only work on AMD powered PCs it will be impossible for me to take advantage of it (to be honest I don't have or know anyone who has an AMD based PC...) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AMD-joins-LibreOffice-adds-GPU-grunt-to-free-software-suite-tp4064102p4064873.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AMD joins LibreOffice, adds GPU grunt to free software suite
Hi guys After some digging I found this article http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/07/libreoffice-aims-to-stop-spreadsheet-pain-with-amd-gpu-optimization/ Apparently the optimizations are for the GPU. Unfortunately these improvements won't work on my i5 based laptop or my i7 based desktop (both with Intel HD graphics and no OpenCL) :( Thank you for the replies ;) -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AMD-joins-LibreOffice-adds-GPU-grunt-to-free-software-suite-tp4064102p4064881.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: AMD joins LibreOffice, adds GPU grunt to free software suite
Hi Michael, all Michael Meeks-2 wrote There are very significant optimisations for the software only core that will make very much faster even if you have no GPU, we hope they will also make it use very much less memory too for 4.2 - but that work is ongoing. I was kind of hoping that some of that code was already included in the current master :) After a brief test with the newest build (Version: 4.2.0.0.alpha0+ Build ID: 8b96cfd6caedbad7b3b79e57421a834f18c5c511 TinderBox: Win-x86@6-debug, Branch:master, Time: 2013-07-27_22:47:00) I quickly found out that it is not so. I tested on my home nettop (a Nvidia ION based system with a 2Cores x 2 Threads Intel Atom 330 which supports OpenCL and CUDA according to TechPowerUp's GPU-Z v0.7.2) BTW why are there only Debug daily versions available for Windows? Was this a change of plans or is it just a coincidence? Are Debug builds slower (less efficient) than non-debug? Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/AMD-joins-LibreOffice-adds-GPU-grunt-to-free-software-suite-tp4064102p4067741.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Clean up please?
Hi Sophie sophi wrote So I think I removed all spam on this forum, if you find something I left, please don't hesitate to ping me. And again thanks :) The Discuss list needs another cleaning... Who reads this list anyway? Most of the messages are SPAM. Real topics are ignored. Maybe it is better to close it? Kind regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Clean-up-please-tp4069570p4075106.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Clean up please?
Jonathan Aquilina wrote the list is moderated. those not subscribed are usually reject instead of released to the list. Interesting. But SPAM still seems to get through... In any case people with real questions don't get any feedback from this list... E.g. http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Save-version-on-close-proposed-enhancement-tp4064564.html or http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Fwd-Calc-for-engineering-tp4070338.html -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Clean-up-please-tp4069570p4075109.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Is this a bug?
Hi Terry, all Tanstaafl wrote This list is NOT intended for general Libreoffice support, it is intended for discussion of topics related to: The Document Foundation. If you want support for Libreoffice, please use the Libreoffice users list: users@.libreoffice I agree that this list is not for support (it isn't for discussions either, as the name might lead you to think) and that the User list is the best place to go (simply because there are more people there). Best regards, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Is-this-a-bug-tp4075137p4075198.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Less organizations use free office suites?
Hi all Just found this post http://www.zdnet.com/office-productivity-software-is-no-closer-to-becoming-a-commodity-722091/ which is based on this Forrester report http://www.forrester.com/Market+Update+Office+2013+And+Productivity+Suite+Alternatives/fulltext/-/E-RES102262 (unfortunately I don't have some pocket money to buy a copy :) ) Shouldn't TDF (and Apache...) be worried about the sharp decrease in free office demand? What changed in 2 years? Are the cloud Offices like Google Docs taking over the niche for free-not-100%-MS-compatible needs? Thoughts? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Less-organizations-use-free-office-suites-tp4079843.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: Clean up please?
Hi Sophie sophi wrote Thanks again for pointing to the spams. Maybe it's time for another cleaning? Are you reluctant because most of them are about Pandora sales? :) Cheers, Pedro -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Clean-up-please-tp4069570p4090926.html Sent from the Discuss mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Hi there
Hello, My name is Pedro and I`m writing to offer my help to build this amazing project. I currently work as a support engineer at Atlassian and I could help with translations (I`m brazilian, so I can translate to portuguese), help with documentations and with IT infrastructure if necessary. Regards, Pedro Corá -- ped...@gmail.com :-) *facebook.com/pcora821* *flickr.com/pedro* -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
Re: [tdf-discuss] Hi there
I'm not totally aware of the agreement, but if thats correct, LibreOffice will need to have 2 portuguese versions. pt-br and pt. Anyway, can anyone tell me how this is gonna happend? And if I can help? No one told me that yet. Regards, Pedro Corá -- ped...@gmail.com :-) *facebook.com/pcora821* *flickr.com/pedro* On Fri, Oct 1, 2010 at 1:13 PM, csol...@gmail.com csol...@gmail.com wrote : As far as I'm concerned, the agreement is only for orthography, not for vocabulary. It's also similar to what happens with Spanish (Spain vs. Latin-America) and English (England vs. US). - Carlos Solís 2010/9/30 Pedro Corá ped...@gmail.com Hi Rictec and others. Very interesting this idea of having only one Portuguese version. But a ll ow me to ask, the agreement defines that Portuguese in Brazil and in Portu ga l (yes, I know that other portuguese language countries signed that too) ar e going to have the exact same words? Like, on windows, the FILE menu i n pt-br is Arquivo and in pt is Ficheiro, right? With the agreement, they a re gonna be just one? Sorry for this off topic here. Regards to all, Pedro Corá -- ped...@gmail.com :-) *facebook.com/pcora821* *flickr.com/pedro* On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Rictec ric...@netcabo.pt wrote: Hi people i welcome this move also its a very necessary move that i was waitin g for so long. thank for doing it it will help Libreoffice grow independently. as Pedro is saying he can translate to Portuguese i send him this lin k maybe using it will prevent from having a pt and a br language versio n. http://www.portaldalinguaportuguesa.org/?actionlince for the non Portuguese speakers this is a program that implements the portuguese language agreement it will be mandatory soon on all portuguese public sector i think. Rictec Qui, 2010-09-30 às 20:51 -0300, Pedro Corá escreveu: Hello, My name is Pedro and I`m writing to offer my help to build this ama zi ng project. I currently work as a support engineer at Atlassian and I could hel p wi th translations (I`m brazilian, so I can translate to portuguese), hel p wi th documentations and with IT infrastructure if necessary. Regards, Pedro Corá -- ped...@gmail.com :-) *facebook.com/pcora821* *flickr.com/pedro* -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@docu mentfoundation.org discuss%2bunsubscr...@docume ntfoundation.org discuss%2bunsubscr...@document foundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cann ot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@docume ntfoundation.org discuss%2bunsubscr...@document foundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.orgdiscuss%2bunsubscr...@document foundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot b e deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/ -- To unsubscribe, send an empty e-mail to discuss+unsubscr...@documentfoundation.org All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted. List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/
[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Please do not submit Bug reports concerning 3.5 Beta0
While Beta1 is already available at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ the page still mentions Beta0. Can someone fix that, please? -- Pedro -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] Please do not submit Bug reports concerning 3.5 Beta0
The builds available for Linux at http://www.libreoffice.org/download/pre-releases/ are only 2.3Mb in size... Is this normal? The Windows and Mac are over 190 and 200Mb... -- Pedro -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice-qa] End of the line for 3.3 family and regressions
Hi Korrawit, all So, what should we do to each group of bugs? Anyway, I'm not sure whether there are how many bugs in each group, or even there is any bug in some group. Maybe we need separate discussion? This isn't simply a matter of checking and reporting bugs. It involves the Quality of a product this Community claims to be Enterprise ready. IMO there can be NO regressions. I think this is way over our (QA) heads given the sheer amount of unfixed bugs. It doesn't seem realistic the release date of January 11 especially because this is the Christmas season and most people here are volunteers. The TDF BoD and the Devs need to make a decision about how to handle this. -- Pedro http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice-qa/2011-December/000623.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
