On 10/22/2010 11:25 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-22 11:38 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
OK, then I'm back to my initial position -- since informative responses
can easily come deeper in the thread, this technique (even if it were
supported by the list manager capabilities) would lead to such
On 2010-10-22 11:38 AM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> OK, then I'm back to my initial position -- since informative responses
> can easily come deeper in the thread, this technique (even if it were
> supported by the list manager capabilities) would lead to such responses
> failing to reach the OP withou
On 10/21/2010 9:51 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 10/21/2010 5:18 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
I'd just like to make sure I'm clear on this, OK? If I get a message
with a Reply-To header, and respond to it using Reply, not only does the
response go to those in the Reply-To header,
Yes it goes to eve
On 10/21/2010 5:18 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> I'd just like to make sure I'm clear on this, OK? If I get a message
> with a Reply-To header, and respond to it using Reply, not only does the
> response go to those in the Reply-To header,
Yes it goes to everyone in the Reply-To header...
> but tha
On 10/21/2010 8:14 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> "Barbara Duprey" wrote in message
> news:4cc0ba20.70...@onr.com...
>> Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly haven't used forums in
>> too long, I've never seen this. It still doesn't help with a forum
>> analog of this conversation, though, sin
On 10/21/2010 6:28 PM, Jean Hollis Weber wrote:
> Many forums, and wiki pages, allow you to tick a box to "watch" them,
> even if you didn't originate them, and then you'll get a notification of
> each response. I agree, though, that it's a nuisance to not have the
> response itself show up in one'
"Barbara Duprey" wrote in message
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On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster
whenever a response is posted to a thread they created.
Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly hav
On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 17:09 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Every web forum I know of send notification email to the original poster
> > whenever a response is posted to a thread they created.
>
> Well now, that's *very* interesting! I clearly haven't
On 10/20/2010 11:50 PM, Drew Jensen wrote:
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
Howdy Barbara
I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two
top-level ones, as for
OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main
di
On 10/21/2010 12:02 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an
enormous difference there, as well.
Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html
I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you
back up there to the openoffice level you are actuall
On 10/21/2010 9:52 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more
likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of
people not getting responses they would benefit from.
I totally disagr
On 2010-10-20 8:55 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> In that regard, the modification of the Reply-To is, I think, more
> likely to give a false sense of security than to fix the problem of
> people not getting responses they would benefit from.
I totally disagree.
The only time this wouldn't work is i
Le 2010-10-21 01:26, Florian Effenberger a écrit :
Hi,
Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.18:
(including lists) for the long run...
Anyway, at a minimum, I would dearly love to see simple list specific
pages for subscribing/unsubscribing. Mailman generates these out of the
box, so its not
Hi,
Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-20 14.18:
(including lists) for the long run...
Anyway, at a minimum, I would dearly love to see simple list specific
pages for subscribing/unsubscribing. Mailman generates these out of the
box, so its not like this should be a lot of work - unless mlmmj does
> > If we had a similar page for OOo, it would make an
> > enormous difference there, as well.
>
> Why not - http://oucv.org/oooext.html
>
> I did not setup that nabble archive, and can't change settings - if you
> back up there to the openoffice level you are actually looking at a flat
> view
On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 19:55 -0500, Barbara Duprey wrote:
Howdy Barbara
>
> I don't have anything against forums (though I hope we can avoid having two
> top-level ones, as for
> OOo, and careful planning is needed in determining the subforums). The main
> difference, which is a
> positive
On 10/19/2010 1:16 AM, James Wilde wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 00:27 , Barbara Duprey wrote:
Does this mean you're a (the?) moderator for this list? Not having that
Delivered-To header definitely does complicate things! I'm amazed that anybody
is posting here unsubscribed at this point, I'd ex
On 2010-10-20 6:09 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
> Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.37:
>> Correct, hence my suggestion to simply tweak the list server software to
>> add a custom Reply-To header (both list*and* unsubbed OP) for posts
>> from unsubbed posters.
>>
>> I have another idea...
>>
Hi,
Charles Marcus wrote on 2010-10-19 22.37:
Correct, hence my suggestion to simply tweak the list server software to
add a custom Reply-To header (both list*and* unsubbed OP) for posts
from unsubbed posters.
I have another idea...
Instead of individual list subscriptions, why not create a m
On 10/19/2010 09:51 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote:
Jon Hamkins wrote on 2010-10-19 18.43:
Unless the reply should be addressed to someone other than the sender,
the Reply-To shouldn't be set. Mailing list servers often add a
Reply-To header, so that discussion is directed to the list.
the rep
On 2010-10-19 12:43 PM, Jon Hamkins wrote:
> Unless the reply should be addressed to someone other than the sender,
> the Reply-To shouldn't be set. Mailing list servers often add a
> Reply-To header, so that discussion is directed to the list.
Correct, hence my suggestion to simply tweak the lis
On 2010/10/19 7:00 AM James Wilde wrote:
At the moment I'm using Mac Mail, which pulls the sender's name if I press
Reply, and everybody's name if I press Reply All. As far as I remember Outlook
has the same characteristics. I can't remember what T-Bird did on Linux and I
haven't used pi
Hi,
Jon Hamkins wrote on 2010-10-19 18.43:
Unless the reply should be addressed to someone other than the sender,
the Reply-To shouldn't be set. Mailing list servers often add a
Reply-To header, so that discussion is directed to the list.
the reply-to header is set on purpose. When replying
On 10/19/2010 06:00 AM, James Wilde wrote:
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:50 , Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the OP on
the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use Reply All?
The purpose of
Hi all,
Bernhard Dippold wrote (19-10-10 00:23)
Hi Barbara, all,
[...]
It's hard to read all the mails and to reply to the most important only
(in my eyes).
I will probably not be able to contribute much to this thread (or to the
wiki) during the next few weeks - but I promise to stay on readi
On 2010-10-19 9:00 AM, James Wilde wrote:
>
> On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:50 , Charles Marcus wrote:
>
>> On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
>>> Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the
>>> OP on the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use
>>> Reply All?
On Oct 19, 2010, at 13:50 , Charles Marcus wrote:
> On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
>> Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the OP on
>> the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use Reply All?
>
> The purpose of Reply-To header is to manage how rep
On 2010-10-18 6:27 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> Even if the Reply=To were modified, wouldn't the inclusion of the OP on
> the messages fall apart as soon as somebody didn't use Reply All?
The purpose of Reply-To header is to manage how replies are handled.
Reply All is not necessary if the Reply-To
On Oct 19, 2010, at 00:27 , Barbara Duprey wrote:
>
> Does this mean you're a (the?) moderator for this list? Not having that
> Delivered-To header definitely does complicate things! I'm amazed that
> anybody is posting here unsubscribed at this point, I'd expect the early
> users here to hav
On 10/18/2010 1:16 AM, James Wilde wrote:
On Oct 16, 2010, at 00:50 , Barbara Duprey wrote:
<...>
It is often not clear whether or not the OP is subscribed -- many can't/won't look at the
full headers or filter on them, and sometimes they join the discussion later, when the
header is not ava
Hi Barbara, all,
Barbara Duprey schrieb:
On 10/15/2010 7:11 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
[...]
I'd like to establish a common agreement on how to deal with moderated
mails, so these off-topic mails will be not necessary any more.
That would be nice, and maybe we can make it work -- but this l
On 10/18/2010 1:24 AM, James Wilde wrote:
On Oct 17, 2010, at 19:54 , Charles Marcus wrote:
<...>
I do know that the users/discuss lists volume is way too heavy for an
'average user' to get any benefit from. For example, since checking my
email last on Friday evening, there have been 150+ new
On Oct 17, 2010, at 19:54 , Charles Marcus wrote:
<...>
> I do know that the users/discuss lists volume is way too heavy for an
> 'average user' to get any benefit from. For example, since checking my
> email last on Friday evening, there have been 150+ new messages to this
> list... this would
On Oct 16, 2010, at 00:50 , Barbara Duprey wrote:
<...>
>
> It is often not clear whether or not the OP is subscribed -- many can't/won't
> look at the full headers or filter on them, and sometimes they join the
> discussion later, when the header is not available. For somebody who really
> h
greetings
Let the mailing list be to the community and create a support forum for
the end users.
Power users may join the community and know what mailing list are
ordinary users will get help from everybody other users included.
more examples?
i want information about the project so i sign to the m
On 10/17/2010 12:54 PM, Charles Marcus wrote:
On 2010-10-16 5:00 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
No, because so often they get overwhelmed by the list volume.
Mailman has the concept of 'umbrella' lists...
Maybe we could create 'micro' lists - say, one for Writer, one for Calc,
one for Impress, etc
On 2010-10-16 5:00 PM, Barbara Duprey wrote:
> No, because so often they get overwhelmed by the list volume.
Mailman has the concept of 'umbrella' lists...
Maybe we could create 'micro' lists - say, one for Writer, one for Calc,
one for Impress, etc - then make the 'discuss' and 'users' lists par
On 2010-10-15 6:00 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
> On 10/15/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote:
>> On 2010-10-15 9:58 AM, James Wilde wrote:
>>> On Oct 15, 2010, at 13:43 , Charles Marcus wrote:
Doesn't it make more sense just to modify the Reply-To header (to
both the list and the OP) and
I agree with what Barbara Duprey wrote in response to Bernhard, in a
long note that I'm not quoting here. We really need some way of
supporting ordinary users, especially the vast majority who just want
their questions answered and/or who don't have the time or interest to
join our community.
Barb
On 10/15/2010 7:11 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Hi Barbara,
Barbara Duprey schrieb:
[...]
[Bernhard, I'm not sure you actually saw my post == it's all snipped
here. But I think it's pertinent to some of your points.]
I did - but as I only replied to the main point (in my eyes), I removed the
Hi Barbara,
Barbara Duprey schrieb:
[...]
[Bernhard, I'm not sure you actually saw my post == it's all snipped
here. But I think it's pertinent to some of your points.]
I did - but as I only replied to the main point (in my eyes), I removed
the other parts to increase readability.
You seem
On 10/15/2010 5:00 PM, Bernhard Dippold wrote:
Hi Barbara, Charles, all,
having read the threads on disc...@ooo during the last months I know about the problems with
unsubscribed posters there and the off-topic messages just informing the list to CC the
unsubscribed OP.
Barbara Duprey schri
Hi Barbara, Charles, all,
having read the threads on disc...@ooo during the last months I know
about the problems with unsubscribed posters there and the off-topic
messages just informing the list to CC the unsubscribed OP.
Barbara Duprey schrieb:
On 10/15/2010 11:58 AM, Charles Marcus wrote
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