[IxDA Discuss] Kindle Love concept prototype: www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_uVLg9UxRw

2008-11-27 Thread Michael Eckersley
Given soundings of a new 2nd generation Kindle on the way, thought you  
might get a kick out this short concept prototype (Kindle Love)  
video sketch by a small group of students in my recent Scenarios   
Simulations course at Kansas. Credits at end.


Product designers learning grammar of story-telling and film– 
contextual, not deadly serious. Earlier such vid sketches at:  www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gGvKF2MXEYv3 
 ;  youtube.com/watch?v=1byqqWioRTw


Enjoy,

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-26 Thread Murli Nagasundaram
Another take on Kindle.  This reviewer likes it, and discusses why.

http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9048498pageNumber=1

Opinion: Why Amazon's Kindle is revolutionary Surprising facts about
Amazon's new Kindle e-book reader
Mike Elgan


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-26 Thread Fred Beecher
On 11/26/07, Murli Nagasundaram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Another take on Kindle.  This reviewer likes it, and discusses why.



It's refreshing to read this article. I have to admit, I was *very*
surprised to see such negative reactions on this list. No, it definitely
*isn't* perfect, but it represents so many user-centric design innovations
that it's hard not to love.
In the context of some recent discussions about the life cycle of technology
(basic functionality  features  experience), the Kindle seems to represent
a jump straight from functionality to experience. Everything about this
device (okay, except for the retro design and DRM) is focused on the
*experience* of reading. I don't have time to go through each feature and
point that out, but the article Murli posted certainly does a great job of
that.

But I think in many ways Kindle goes one better than just replicating or
taking into account the experience of reading. It actually *extends* the
experience, in that it makes things that readers may like to do *easier than
they are now.* The example that sticks out most in my mind is the hookup to
Wikipedia. I read a lot of history and historical fiction, and these genres
rely heavily on context. So, for example, if I'm reading something in a
regular book that takes place during the 1918 influenza epidemic, I might
just acknowledge that fact and move on rather than going through the effort
of opening my computer or pulling out an encyclopedia to get more
information about it. That's a serious interruption in flow. But if an
encyclopedia is *right there* (meaning not in the computer or taking up a
whole bookshelf), it doesn't significantly interrupt my flow to go read
about that event in depth. Smarmy comments about Wikipedia and accuracy
aside, in that situation I just experienced a much richer version of
reading than had I done so using a regular book.

So is there a *fourth* stage in the lifecycle of technology, where the
experience is not only accounted for but actually extended? To me, Kindle
makes it seem that there might be...

Alright... gotta get back to billing!

- Fred

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-22 Thread Matthew Nish-Lapidus
On what grounds?  As has been mentioned a couple times (), the success
of the iPod hinged on the fact that people already had huge digital
music collections and no convenient way to play them... the Kindle is
trying to start a market that doesn't really exist yet... and if you
already have a collection of digital books they probably aren't
supported by Kindle anyway due to it's DRM scheme and proprietary file
format.

The other issue is that a book purchased in Kindle format can't be
used anywhere else... if you're Kindle dies or Amazon stops supporting
it you're out of luck.  That library is useless.  At least with the
iPod I can use plain MP3s or buy AACs and burn them to a non-DRM CD
for later use.

To me that's the biggest difference between the iPod and Kindle.. and
the reason why the Kindle is not going to take off like the iPod did.

On Nov 21, 2007 5:53 PM, Prasad Perera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It's going to be famous like the iPOD.

 For music it's iPOD, for books it's (going to be) Kindle.

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 
  10:38:36 + Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle  Maybe they only had 
  10 of them?  http://tinyurl.com/ypb8ea

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-22 Thread pauric
Matthew:(drm versus open library) To me that's the biggest
difference between the iPod and Kindle and the reason why the Kindle
is not going to take off like the iPod did.

The iPod isnt as 'open' as you might think.  You cant really take
your iTunes library and plonk it on another player, you can only burn
a track/album to cd 5 times.  Its not terrible but its certainly DRM.

However, I think there's a strong argument to say that isnt the
reason the iPod took off.  Ease of use, and for me.. the 'story'. 
Non technical users pitched a scenario that they could buy in to, and
a solution that actually worked.

The question hanging over the Kindle's head is will people buy the
story?  Can they visualise their life being better through carrying
digitised reading collection around?

There's no question in my mind that the ebook reader concept will
have a significant market share in the future.  But I see a more
gradual shift from book to connected-linked-searchable-always on
which younger and future generations will be more comfortable with.

But a ~5 year mass switch from book to ebook, similar to CD-iPod...
very hard to see that happening with something that wouldnt look out
of place on the set of Space 1999
http://www.treksf.com/podcast/space1999cast.jpg


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-22 Thread Mark Schraad
The real deciding factor may be that listening to music is, and  
always has been much cooler than reading books. That is not likely to  
change.

The promise in the Kindle (or any similar portable display) is  
finding some method of delivering books without the delay of the  
publishing and print process. That is takes months to get a book  
printed and distributed renders it much less instant and as a result  
less relevant for all but the most in-depth studies and stories. Even  
magazines pale in timeliness to online sources such as blogs and even  
forums. I am not sure that knowledge and science are progressing at a  
faster rate than ten years prior, but information dissemination  
surely has. Last spring's MBA class on internet marketing is now sooo  
out of date.

Mark


On Nov 22, 2007, at 1:40 AM, pauric wrote:

 Matthew:(drm versus open library) To me that's the biggest
 difference between the iPod and Kindle and the reason why the Kindle
 is not going to take off like the iPod did.

 The iPod isnt as 'open' as you might think.  You cant really take
 your iTunes library and plonk it on another player, you can only burn
 a track/album to cd 5 times.  Its not terrible but its certainly DRM.


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-22 Thread Kontra
Matt Nish-Lapidus: To me that's the biggest difference between the
iPod and Kindle and the reason why the Kindle is not going to take
off like the iPod did.

Exactly right.

There are several likely scenarios this fundamental barrier could
have been alleviated by Amazon, but they chose not to deal with it at
all.

I blogged about this on the eve of Kindle's introduction:

Why is the new Kindle eBook reader from Amazon and not Apple?

http://counternotions.com/2007/11/19/kindle-vs-iphone/



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-21 Thread Mike Scarpiello
Maybe they only had 10 of them?

http://tinyurl.com/ypb8ea




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[IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Jack Moffett
Amazon has released the Kindle, their electronic book device. This is  
a very interesting product. My initial reactions:

It's the right size/weight. I didn't like the industrial design of it  
at first (too antiseptic?), but it's growing on me. I can't imagine  
enjoying sitting down with it as much as I do a book made of paper,  
but then, once you get into the story, maybe the object you are  
holding doesn't matter so much.

On the other hand, there are several things that really appeal to me,  
like the ability to search your content, the ability to annotate  
(without defacing the book), and bookmarking.

They've done some really smart things, such as including the wireless  
service in the fee for the product, rather than requiring a separate,  
monthly fee or service contract. You can read the first chapter of any  
book for free before purchasing. It handles magazine and newspaper  
subscriptions. It also will display blog content, but is limited to  
some specific set of blogs, and this comes at an extra fee. They also  
charge a fee to put your own documents on the device (via email).

As for the UI, call me spoiled, but their selection wheel with the  
separated selection indicator bar seems disconnected. Having had an  
iPhone for over a month now, I would want the ability to select things  
by tapping them on the screen. Even without a touchscreen, why can't  
the selection be shown within the content display, rather than in a  
separate display beside it.

I like that they made the next/previous buttons available on both  
sides, but made the previous button significantly larger on the left,  
and the next button larger on the right. Still, I want to flip pages  
with a horizontal swipe of my finger.

Using a grayscale display makes sense for reading books, but when it  
comes to magazines, blogs, and even newspapers, color would be  
desirable.


What do you all think?


Jack



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Mike Scarpiello
You will have a hard time getting me to give up books.  There is a
good chance the batteries won't run out before I get to the end of a
chapter.

On Nov 19, 2007 11:26 AM, Jack Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Amazon has released the Kindle, their electronic book device. This is
 a very interesting product. My initial reactions:

 It's the right size/weight. I didn't like the industrial design of it
 at first (too antiseptic?), but it's growing on me. I can't imagine
 enjoying sitting down with it as much as I do a book made of paper,
 but then, once you get into the story, maybe the object you are
 holding doesn't matter so much.

 On the other hand, there are several things that really appeal to me,
 like the ability to search your content, the ability to annotate
 (without defacing the book), and bookmarking.

 They've done some really smart things, such as including the wireless
 service in the fee for the product, rather than requiring a separate,
 monthly fee or service contract. You can read the first chapter of any
 book for free before purchasing. It handles magazine and newspaper
 subscriptions. It also will display blog content, but is limited to
 some specific set of blogs, and this comes at an extra fee. They also
 charge a fee to put your own documents on the device (via email).

 As for the UI, call me spoiled, but their selection wheel with the
 separated selection indicator bar seems disconnected. Having had an
 iPhone for over a month now, I would want the ability to select things
 by tapping them on the screen. Even without a touchscreen, why can't
 the selection be shown within the content display, rather than in a
 separate display beside it.

 I like that they made the next/previous buttons available on both
 sides, but made the previous button significantly larger on the left,
 and the next button larger on the right. Still, I want to flip pages
 with a horizontal swipe of my finger.

 Using a grayscale display makes sense for reading books, but when it
 comes to magazines, blogs, and even newspapers, color would be
 desirable.


 What do you all think?


 Jack



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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Kontra
On 11/19/07, Jack Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They've done some really smart things...

And a few that are not so smart. Newsweek says Amazon's looking at it
as the iPod of reading. I explained why it won't be here:

Why is the new Kindle eBook reader from Amazon and not Apple?
http://counternotions.com/2007/11/19/kindle-vs-iphone/

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Mark Schraad
$2 a month to read TechCrunch... really? Why would I pay this for a free blog 
that I can read on my pda or iphone?


 
On Monday, November 19, 2007, at 02:14PM, Kontra [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 11/19/07, Jack Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 They've done some really smart things...

And a few that are not so smart. Newsweek says Amazon's looking at it
as the iPod of reading. I explained why it won't be here:

Why is the new Kindle eBook reader from Amazon and not Apple?
http://counternotions.com/2007/11/19/kindle-vs-iphone/

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread pauric
Mark, point of fact; you spent 60 cents reading Techcrunch on your
iphone over the month (assuming 10 minutes a day, ~2K TCO iphone over
2 years).

While this device has a better story than previous e-readers it fails
in that its over priced even for early adopters.

Jeff Bezos struck me as a smart guy until I read this: We forget
(that the printed book) is a 500-year-old technology, and we sort of
forget that it's even a technology, Bezos mused. Gutenberg would
still recognize a modern-day book.

If it aint super broke, why charge $400 to fix it?




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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Mark Schraad
 Well - actually I pay $20 a month to read as much of, what ever I want, each 
month. But point taken.


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Mark, point of fact; you spent 60 cents reading Techcrunch on your
iphone over the month (assuming 10 minutes a day, ~2K TCO iphone over
2 years).


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Nasir Barday
Pauric said:
 If it aint super broke, why charge $400 to fix it?

Nice :-).

This is a great concept, but the locked-in pricing nature of the device is a
bit of a deal breaker. But we do have to consider that wireless access is
included (hence Pauric's fractional allocation of the $20 monthly data fee
to Tech Crunch). The industrial design is a bit off-- not sure if I'm a fan
of the lopsided, angular design-- evokes Japanese electronics design from
the 80s.

But this is my favorite part:
*System requirements:* None, because it doesn't require a computer

Interesting vision, and sounds a lot like the celestial jukebox for books. A
step in the right direction, but I agree with Pauric that even early
adopters will steer clear with such a high price.

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Robert Hoekman, Jr.

 If it aint super broke, why charge $400 to fix it?


With regard to the environment, the printing process, ink, paper, bleaching
the paper, etc., is hugely wasteful. The production of a device is wasteful
as well, but in theory, you can reuse it for years without any new damage to
the environment. Of course, it has yet to be determined how much better it
is, what with people potentially dropping and replacing the devices often
enough that it ends up not being better at all.

I'm dedicating part of the proceeds of my next book to purchasing carbon
offsets for the production process and raw materials used. My book will be
green. Though, it will likely have a white cover. ;)

-r-

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Jorge Arango
On Nov 19, 2007 12:26 PM, Jack Moffett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I can't imagine
 enjoying sitting down with it as much as I do a book made of paper,
 but then, once you get into the story, maybe the object you are
 holding doesn't matter so much.

These first (eh, second) generation devices are something of a
horseless carriage -- the form factor is determined less by the
purpose of the device (getting knowledge from one brain to another)
than by the fact that people have been comfortable with books for
hundreds of years.

We'll eventually move from the book form factor onto something that
leverages the technology more effectively. (I'm sure the first bound
books must have felt weird to people used to reading off scrolls.)

Cheers,

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Jeff Axup
All technologies follow a path into obsolescence. The question is not *if*,
but *when* the paper book will reach this point. Books do still have some
advantages, but those are likely to be short lived.

Major issues with paper books:

   - weight. when I move, half the weight of my possessions is books. it
   also keeps me from travelling with information I need.
   - static. I can't search paper books. it is often very frustrating to
   not be able to find information. I can't search a library card catalog and
   be certain a book has what I want in it.
   - inefficient libraries. libraries have to deal with space for large
   numbers of books, and having to physically go pick a book up (and find it)
   and track it's loaning out, etc.
   - durability. I went to see the dead sea scrolls recently. much of
   their content has been forever lost due to them falling apart. digital
   formats at least have the potential of being upgraded/converted.
   - backups. when I lose a book it's gone.
   - updates/errata. impossible to rapidly update a paper book.
   - distribution speed. if blogs had to wait a day to be delivered they
   wouldn't be all that useful. the inefficiency of book rental/purchase/print
   isn't going to work in a society that is speeding up.

-Jeff


On Nov 19, 2007 12:24 PM, Jorge Arango [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Mon, 19 Nov 2007 11:49:54, pauric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  If it aint super broke, why charge $400 to fix it?

 There are some situations in which books are super broken. Moving
 information around in heavy blocks of mashed wood pulp is ineffective.
 With the rising social, economic, and environmental costs of fossil
 fuels, it is also morally dubious.

 An example: in the developing world, access to quality libraries is
 rare -- the availability of books is limited by their impractical
 physical form. Like cellphones, which have improved people's lives in
 the developing world by bringing telecoms where copper wouldn't reach,
 ebooks have the potential of helping folks in less developed parts of
 the world get access to resources we take for granted.

 Cheers,

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread pauric
Jorge:I'm sure the first bound books must have felt weird to people
used to reading off scrolls.

You should watch this (o;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFAWR6hzZek


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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Onur Orhon
I think Amazon is definitely on the right track with the Kindle in
terms for creating an online experience, instead of just a device
that can display text and images. We've all seen it; iPod clearly
proved that with enough creative thinking behind the scenes, a
company can create a complete interactive experience (device, iTunes,
iTunes store, 3rd party support etc.). So I think by following that
model, Amazon is already ahead of the game compared to say Sony, or
others. And they are most likely to succeed, with more than a decade
of online media experience and robust infrastructure.

Here is my initial impression:
On the positive side:
- Great move with whispernet. Especially that you don't have to
subscribe to a monthly service.
- Integrated keyboard
- Lightweight
- Unique design that is not reminiscent of the iPod
- Long battery life
- Newspaper mode
- Connects to wikipedia and has a built-in dictionary

And not so positive:
- Small screen size compared to the actual footprint
- Low resolution
- No color
- No pdf support
- Cannot connect to just any blog, only the ones available in the
store. So forget about posting to your own blog, or responding to
comments (I hope I'm wrong about this one)
- No touch screen (I'm guessing it's a limitation of e-ink
technology)
- Dated look. I think they were shooting for  a design that didn't
look like an electronic device (like the Sony reader) but
unfortunately it's a failure. The Kindle still looks like an
electronic device to me. One from the 80's. It also reminds me of a
cheap toy, almost like a streamlined etch-a-sketch.

Cheers,
-onur

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Jim Drew
I would love to see a full-on comparison between this and the Sony device, in 
comparison to the Gemster eBook/SoftBook Reader and the NuvoMedia RocketBook.

(I'm biased, having worked at SoftBook/Gemstar for a couple years.  The market 
wasn't quite there yet -- and the bubble would have collapsed it anyway, even 
if Gemstar hadn't wrecked the momentum -- but it remains to me a superior 
device and I wish it had lived to be in its 3rd or 4th generation hardware 
today.)

-- Jim


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Amazon has released the Kindle, their electronic book device. This is  
a very interesting product. My initial reactions:

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Re: [IxDA Discuss] Kindle

2007-11-19 Thread Jim Drew
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And not so positive:
- Low resolution
- No color
- No touch screen (I'm guessing it's a limitation of e-ink
technology)

I think these are all limitations of the current level for the tech.

- Cannot connect to just any blog, only the ones available in the
store. So forget about posting to your own blog, or responding to
comments (I hope I'm wrong about this one)

Is there a lot of utility in the hardware keyboard without this?  (Oh, and is 
the blog access interactive -- can you leave comments -- or is it just a 
limited web clipping service?)  Of course, the eInk technology may preclude a 
software keyboard at this point.

One of the big requests that they are going to be pushed for is PIM abilities.  
And even though I got it when working at SoftBook that it's just a book, 
that it need to be a really good book and not a mediocre everything else, the 
utility of even just some simple PIM facilities is massive.  Notes, calendar, 
contacts -- an eDayRunner, if you will.

I don't buy the argument that the initial price point is too high, even for 
early adopters.  The SoftBook Reader was $700, or $300 plus $20 a month for 2 
years.  The iPhone was $500 plus service.  The iPod was $300 or so.  $400 is 
completely in line with every other device in its initial entry.

-- Jim


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