I agree that in many scenarios the touch screen is irrelevant. (Both my
Classics are behind glass.) I hope that either the touch functionality
is not expensive to include (does anyone know?) or Logitech will
eventually introduce a cheaper non-touch version.
I personally would like a Non-Touch
bruce wrote:
I agree that in many scenarios the touch screen is irrelevant. (Both my
Classics are behind glass.) I hope that either the touch functionality
is not expensive to include (does anyone know?) or Logitech will
eventually introduce a cheaper non-touch version.
Touch screens are
Amazon is offering a 20% rebate on all Logitech products if you buy 2 to
5 of them on a single order between now and Christmas. You have to buy
from amazon rather than one of their partners; you can see the details
on the amazon pages of eligible products. I won't bother telling you
what various
pfarrell;495076 Wrote:
The Touch is much more
than a Classic with a touch screen. Its a computer. Its not really a
slim device as it can do things like read music off of a thumb or
even
external disk drive. For folks who already have a SlimServer, the
ability of the Touch to work as a
bruce;495081 Wrote:
I don't understand the configurations and usage scenarios you're
anticipating will be a godsend. How many people carry music around on
thumb drives as opposed to MP3 players (which don't need a Touch to play
through a stereo)? Will people buy an external drive to store
bruce Wrote:
Will people buy an external drive to store their music rather than
running SlimServer on a PC, and if so, how will they add music to it,
and will the drive be accessible throughout their network?
Yes they will. They can add music to it via a Samba network share or by
plugging
Are you saying that if you have a Touch with an external drive attached
to it, the Touch will function as a server for other Squeezeboxes on
your network? Or can only Touches on your network access that drive?
How would you perform the functions that are currently part of server
management? Are
bruce;495095 Wrote:
Are you saying that if you have a Touch with an external drive attached
to it, the Touch will function as a server for other Squeezeboxes on
your network? Or can only Touches on your network access that drive?
All players. But with some limitations, such as no web
bruce;495095 Wrote:
Are you saying that if you have a Touch with an external drive attached
to it, the Touch will function as a server for other Squeezeboxes on
your network? Or can only Touches on your network access that drive?
How would you perform the functions that are currently part
If Logitech could market the Squeezebox line as not requiring a server
to play one's music collection, just an external hard drive (which they
could even sell as an option) connected to a Touch, and all the server
functions could be handled by a combination of the Touch, the other
players, and
bruce;495103 Wrote:
If Logitech could market the Squeezebox line as not requiring a server
to play one's music collection, just an external hard drive (which they
could even sell as an option) connected to a Touch, and all the server
functions could be handled by a combination of the Touch,
bruce;495079 Wrote:
Amazon is offering a 20% rebate on all Logitech products if you buy 2 to
5 of them on a single order between now and Christmas. You have to buy
from amazon rather than one of their partners; you can see the details
on the amazon pages of eligible products.
Bruce, thanks
I'm using a Transporter as preamp and a Rotel power amp.
When i'm using the Transporter as a DAC for my Samsung TV it works
perfectly when there is an incomming signal for the Transporter.
But when when I turn the TV off or disconnect the optical cable from
the TV there is white noise and small
Touch advantages over SB3:
- color display (album art on player)
- touch screen
- USB input (used as a server or quick Plug Play usage)
- built in server (with limitations)
- 24/96 support
- better DAC
- acts as a Controller for all other SB players
For 1/3 more cost than today's close
degofedal;495113 Wrote:
I'm using a Transporter as preamp and a Rotel power amp.
When i'm using the Transporter as a DAC for my Samsung TV it works
perfectly when there is an incomming signal for the Transporter.
But when when I turn the TV off or disconnect the optical cable from
the
I've been looking for a Squeezebox receiver for a few weeks now without
any luck. There are a few for sale for well over list price on ebay.
So I've been wondering if the receiver is just very popular or being
phased out of production?
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usch;495041 Wrote:
I personally would have preferred a decent 7 display without the touch
capabilities. After all, it comes with a remote (unlike the Radio), and
the Classic did not have any buttons either.
You nailed it. I guess the touch capability is the kind of gimmick that
sells stuff -
Ok thanks for the reply :)
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squeez-er;495158 Wrote:
This whole thing actually started when I considered giving SB as a
christmas present and then noticed the price difference (not to mention
the fact that right now I can't buy a Squeezebox without speakers at
all!). But as always, this is just my opinion.
Duet??
all
squeez-er;495158 Wrote:
The fact that something is old is a bad excuse to make something new. I
don't care if it's old - I only care if it works. And it does exactly
what I want from my wifi music player to do - play music and show what's
playing even when I'm further away.
It may be a bad
pfarrell;495043 Wrote:
I have not tried mine at a typical living room distance. For example, my
Transporter is about 15 feet from my favorite listening chair. But other
beta testers claim that it is easily read at 10 feet or so. I don't have
10 feet long 3 meters to our euro-zone friends),
usch;495168 Wrote:
I am not so much worried about the readability (the font seems
sufficiently big), just about the amount of text that can be displayed
without scrolling. I have set all my SBs to Scroll once and stop
because I find the constant movement in the corner of my eye somewhat
squeez-er;495158 Wrote:
..
The fact that I now need to pay much more for things I don't need still
remains however. 300 euros is right on the edge of being WAY too much
for a device like SB's. This whole thing actually started when I
considered giving SB as a christmas present
westiebj;494980 Wrote:
I did manage to get the code but unfortunately the prices shown on the
UK website are so high in the first place they are still more expensive
after discount than most other retail sites
eg :-
Transporter :-
Logitech UK Regular price= 1799 GBP
Logitech
bruce;495103 Wrote:
So as long as you have one Touch on your network, most any player
(Touch, Receiver, Transporter, Boom, Radio, or SB3/2) on your network
can play music from any hard drive(s) on your network, without any
server running?
Not from -any- drive on the network, only from USB
Rob W;495046 Wrote:
Probably a dumb question: How do I minimise SCtrl? Clicking the red
gearwheel closes it completely, and I haven't found any other way of
navigating away from it other than by answering the phone.
Thanks
Probably depends on the phone/sw. On my Touch Pro with a custom
jsmathers;283137 Wrote:
I also use a java script to save iTunes artwork to a file. Google for
iTunes COM SDK for more info. My script basically does the same as
andlauer's, but I added a few options you can set. The
bOptIgnoreBadArtworkComment option allows you to add a Don't use iTunes
aubuti;495176 Wrote:
You may already be aware of this, but just in case you're not, the
Touch's LCD is higher resolution than the SB2/SB3/Classic's.
Correct, but the pixel resolution is totally irrelevant when viewed
from the distance. I already cannot distinguish individual pixels on the
trouty00;495165 Wrote:
Duet??
I completely forgot that. But no, I wouldn't want to get the Duet
either because it doesn't have a screen and I have heard bad things
about the remote (last time from you ;)).
aubuti;495166 Wrote:
I think you still don't quite understand the feature. Plug an
usch;495192 Wrote:
..
I don't like the upright form factor of the Classic and the Touch - my
stereo rack is more than 10 deep, but there is only so much vertical
space left. My SB1 fits there neatly, as would an SB2, the Classic would
already look crammed in, and the Touch
usch;495192 Wrote:
.
If one of the reasons to discontinue the Classic was that the displays
are no longer made, couldn't they build a similar player around a
current one like this: '24064-CCFL'
(http://www.datasheetarchive.com/pdf-datasheets/Datasheets-27/DSA-534851.pdf)?
These
squeez-er;495201 Wrote:
I'm sure what you say is correct. It's just too bad that those who want
a player like SB3 (just a player with clear and large display) are left
out.Even if they buy the Touch, they are getting a smaller
display...
Many miss the simplicity of physical dials on car
squeez-er;495201 Wrote:
As much as I would love to believe that the Touch will 1/3
cheaper after a year, I can't. My guess would be 3 years.
Could be, though there was a recent 20% discount offered for Touch
pre-orders, dunno the details or if it was available to EU customers.
I guess
toby10;495212 Wrote:
Many miss the simplicity of physical dials on car radios. Technology
marches forward, get on board or be run over. :)
Lol, technology marches forward, but does it always march in the right
direction?
Like I said, many times new technology is developed and sold (and
toby10;495218 Wrote:
Could be, though there was a recent 20% discount offered for Touch
pre-orders, dunno the details or if it was available to EU customers.
I guess you and I will both be shopping in 3 years, you for the
discounted Touch, me for the discounted 3rd generation 64 gb iTouch.
usch;495197 Wrote:
Correct, but the pixel resolution is totally irrelevant when viewed from
the distance. I already cannot distinguish individual pixels on the
current VFD when I am more than five feet away, it's just the physical
size that counts here.
Interesting, that doesn't seem to
I have upgraded to Mac OS 10.6 and tried NET UDAP. Both the SVN and the
zip file load fine, but the discover command returns instantaneously.
I also tried the broacast_test.pl (working blindly here) which told me
that IO/Interface/SIMPLE.pm cannot be located.
Any clues on what is up? Is
squeez-er;495219 Wrote:
Lol, technology marches forward, but does it always march in the right
direction?
Like I said, many times new technology is developed and sold (and
bought..) just because it's new. Doesn't mean it's better.
The thing is, I -don't- want todays tech (Touch)
squeez-er;495219 Wrote:
The thing is, I -don't- want todays tech (Touch) even if I could get it
at discounted price right now. The price isn't my biggest problem, the
features are. I'm willing to pay if I get something in return. The Touch
- for my use - is a step backwards.
I guess you're
bruce wrote:
running on a computer somewhere on the network, then that would truly be
a big step forward.
Its really, a big step forward.
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squeez-er wrote:
The fact that something is old is a bad excuse to make something new. I
don't care if it's old - I only care if it works. And it does exactly
what I want from my wifi music player to do - play music and show what's
playing even when I'm further away.
Er, you seem to be
I also can't find the option to change album lists from text only to the
album art. Dave77 if you figured this out, it would be greatly
appreciated if you detailed the solution you found.
Thanks, Paul
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toby10;495204 Wrote:
The nice thing about the Touch and SB3 is their light, small form factor
(thin client design). So light in fact, that like you I was limited on
AV rack space for my SB3, so I created a floating SB3 taking up no
space on the AV rack shelves. Using just a wire hanger and
usch;495249 Wrote:
Wasn't there a rumour about a wall mount for the Touch?
Yes, it exists. Though I don't think that would be much help inside an
AV cabinet in most instances.
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I never noticed this but from what you've described it sounds like
Transporter's S/PDIF receiver chip is to blame. The noise floor on the
DAC is low enough that it doesn't need a muting circuit, but it sounds
like a software check to test if the S/PDIF input is active may be
needed. Seems silly
pfarrell;495243 Wrote:
Moore's law drives everything and it either drives the price of old
stuff to zero (bad for profits) or it drives the company to add new
features to use up all the power that Moore's law provides.
I had to learn that when I bought my first ink jet printer. I knew
exactly
(Touch Wall Mount)
toby10;495252 Wrote:
Yes, it exists. Though I don't think that would be much help inside an
AV cabinet in most instances.
Of course not -inside- the cabinet, but one could mount the Touch on
the wall next to it without the need for an extra shelf.
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usch;495264 Wrote:
Another thing I observed is that at the end of a product's life the
street price might even rise again. Kind of logical if you think about
it because the cheapest dealers will get rid of their stock first, but
surprising if you expect the price to gow down continually. So
pfarrell;495243 Wrote:
Er, you seem to be fighting the realities and economics of the consumer
electronic industry.
Can't blame me for trying :)
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usch;495266 Wrote:
Of course not -inside- the cabinet, but one could mount the Touch on the
wall next to it without the need for an extra shelf.
Yes, you could do that. But it's a recess mounting bracket, so then
you'd need to fiddle with getting the interconnects back out of the wall
to get
aubuti;495272 Wrote:
Yes, you could do that. But it's a recess mounting bracket, so then
you'd need to fiddle with getting the interconnects back out of the wall
to get to your amp. Here's some pics:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67420
Ah, yes, I forgot about the wires. :(
usch;495192 Wrote:
Not from -any- drive on the network, only from USB drives that are
directly connected to the Touch. ... I would really like to use it as a
standalone server, but its capabilities seem way too limited, given that
plugins are not fully supported and you already need a plugin
usch;495285 Wrote:
Ah, yes, I forgot about the wires. :(
Is it just me, or does anybody else agree that with the wall mount it
looks a lot like an electricity meter? :D
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It's easy enough to add a favorite.
But how does one delete one? I added one accidentally and truly can not
find a way in the web control or remote to delete it.
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Server: Shuttle X27D - Ubuntu 8.04LTS - SBS 7.4.1
Sources: SB3 (3), SB Boom (3), Duet, Accuphase DP65v CD
You'll see the link on any amazon.com page showing a Logitech product
sold by amazon (but not by 3rd parties, even though the save 20%
notice still appears on the 3rd party pages!). For example, the Classic
is at:
Found it.
It seems the only way to edit favorites is on the Home menu. If you
mouse over Favorites an edit option will appear on the right. It is
the *only* category where this is the case out of the items, which does
not make it very intuitive. I think the edit button should always be
next to
Don't know about the GUI but from the remote, display the favourite
keep hitting right arrow until you reach cancel. Up/down arrow right
arrow once more.
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To clarify my last post, the save 20% notice seems to appear on all
Logitech pages on amazon, even though the fine print says the rebate
applies only to products sold by amazon, not to those sold by 3rd
parties through amazon!
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fphredd;493608 Wrote:
Would be happy to test a windows asio version... :D
I've removed all previous test releases and the associated links from
my posts above and uploaded new binaries for 'Windows'
(http://ralph_irving.users.sourceforge.net/squeezeslave-0.9-108-win32-beta.zip)
and 'OSX'
Based on my time reading these boards, it strikes me that a lot of the
issues people have with their Squeezebox setups are related to WiFi or
network setup. I'm surprised Logitech doesn't include some form of
network diagnostic tool that could address this (or at a minimum a
one-sheet summary of
On my Touch Cruise the red phone hang-up button does the same thing
usually, but not with Slim Control for some reason.
Sebastian,
A dialogue box sounds a bit clunky, but would be OK otherwise. What
about if you click on the green connect symbol at the top right corner
to minimise? That's what I
EricBergan;495193 Wrote:
Probably depends on the phone/sw. On my Touch Pro with a custom rom, the
hard home key essentially minimizes it and switches you back to the home
screen.
eric
The same on my XDA Diamond. But at the Blue Angel I can not minimize
it.
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If I remove Optical S/PDIF (Toslink) from the playlist (stop playback)
or play music the noise stops.
If I unplug the optical cable when there is an active input (eg TV) the
noise starts again.
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Rob W;495328 Wrote:
On my Touch Cruise the red phone hang-up button does the same thing
usually, but not with Slim Control for some reason.
[...]
Also, as I mentioned in reply to Eric, for some reason on my Touch
Cruise the normal Home key (the red hang-up key) is locked out when
using SC.
Thank you, ill do exactly that tonight.. ill connect up the Duet and see
how it goes thanks!
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Is there any way to rename inputs (and possibly other menu items)? Would
be great to have my optical input called TV etc...
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Hi elverket
Sorry, that is currently not possible.
Felix
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Without relying on MySB.com, I don't think so. I use InsomniaX to keep
my MacBook awake when I close its lid so that the Squeezeboxen keep
pumping out tunes. If you come up with a better solution, I'd be happy
to hear about it.
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A good thought, as connectivity problems seem to be a weak point for the
new user setup experience.
I wonder if your suggestion would do much good. Many people who ARE
inclined to troubleshoot problems probably don't need a lot of help. Or
prefer using forums or contacting Support. Less
danco;349045 Wrote:
I use a Mac, so my solution below won't be immediately relevant, but it
might suggest a way that you can go.
I have a program called Jiggler that simulates mouse movement after a
user definable period of time. So the computer won't sleep if Jiggler is
running.
And I
usch;495249 Wrote:
Which means you are essentially using the higher resolution to create a
smaller font. But if you want sufficiently big text (of the same
physical size on both devices) and read that from the distance, it makes
no difference whether that font is made of 24 or 32 pixels.
Mnyb;488044 Wrote:
Eeh there is one argument not investigated here when people say that a
squeezebox would not gain anything by being a N device.
If you have *one* squeezebox and one accesspoint/router i totally get
the argument the speed needed is lower then 801.11g anyway. (...)That's my
usch;495249 Wrote:
Great, thanks. I see you have the track time in the bottom row which
uses up some space. If you move that to the top row like I have and use
the entire bottom row for the title, according to the photo I'd guess
that you can show a text that is more than twice as long on
I had downloaded a sample of Mozart's Violin Concerto No. 4 in D Major
KV 218 Allegro in the 24BIT/96kHz FLAC format a few months ago and had
totally forgotten about how good it sounded. For reference, the site
where I downloaded is: www.2l.no/hires/index.htm
That site's server isn't up at the
Mnyb;488044 Wrote:
In my home i get a reliable 3000kbps mostly if i do the speed test
What speed test are you referring to? If it's on the internet then your
bottleneck is most likely your internet connection (WAN), not your
wireless.
Secondly, do not confuse kbps (kilobits per second) and
zzvelik;495418 Wrote:
Bitrate: 2593kbps VRB (Converted to 705.6kbps ABR).
So, does this mean that the SB3 actually supports 24BIT/96kHz format to
a degree, but has to compress the bitrate? Just asking since I'm not
sure how the Touch will compare in overall sound quality vs a
snarlydwarf wrote:
zzvelik;495418 Wrote:
Bitrate: 2593kbps VRB (Converted to 705.6kbps ABR).
So, does this mean that the SB3 actually supports 24BIT/96kHz format to
a degree, but has to compress the bitrate? Just asking since I'm not
sure how the Touch will compare in overall sound quality
I think sox actually makes 24/48 of it this 705kbps is a somewhat bogus
number, the players reports on converted bitrates is not to be trusted.
it's similar to other transcoding, but there this number often are a
better guess
However the conversion is running perfectly I *think* it is just this
Mnyb wrote:
If SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48 I'm sure one of
those paranoid audiophiles would have cried foul in the audiphile
section ;)
Making 16/48 out of 24/96 is trivial, any embedded processor can do
that, just throw away every other sample, and truncate them all to
pfarrell;495433 Wrote:
Mnyb wrote:
If SOX would make 16/48 out of 24/96 instead of 24/48 I'm sure one of
those paranoid audiophiles would have cried foul in the audiphile
section ;)
Making 16/48 out of 24/96 is trivial, any embedded processor can do
that, just throw away every other
Mnyb wrote:
But it is doing 24/48 right ?
I have no idea. I've never looked at Sox
btw should you not use dithering of some kind when going 2416 ?
truncation is simple but i think they use more finesse these days .
If you care about sound quality, you should always use a dithering
algorithm
bstrulo;493867 Wrote:
OK, that sounds right. I did install some plugins. But it only shows on
albums and artists, not on tracks, so right-arrow just takes me to the
tracks.
Could TrackStat be doing it?
If you look at the same artist/album in the web interface, you can
probably see the
This is why they don't do in the embedded system aka SB3 anymore .
But since 7.3 something uses SOX
SB3 supports 24bit 48kHz , I tried my 24/48 files, they do not launch
the flac and sox processes in the server.
Off topic : the light version of the squeezeboxserver would not have
sox so the
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