stephanm wrote:
I am looking into buying SD Duet or Sonos and I am still undecided. I
will use a Time capsule as a storage device. I am the opposite of being
an expert (still don t understand what DACs or FLACS are..., but i m
sure i ll learn on those forums)
It is really difficult to see
jaffacake wrote:
mvalera;298371 Wrote:
Here's the story.
Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you
use a wired connection that is a moot point.
Not at all true when we're talking about controller connectivity
issues. These forums are full of such
I was really hoping this thread wouldn't develop this way, but since it
has, here's my 0.02.
*To the OP:* these are the Slim community forums, so (most/everyone)
here has already considered the question you are asking and plumped for
the SB/Duet. To that extent, our feedback isn't unbiased or
Siduhe;298580 Wrote:
*To the OP:* these are the Slim community forums, so (most/everyone)
here has already considered the question you are asking and plumped for
the SB/Duet. To that extent, our feedback isn't unbiased or
independent.
I thought I'd touch base on that comment and the word
I am looking into buying SD Duet or Sonos and I am still undecided. I
will use a Time capsule as a storage device. I am the opposite of being
an expert (still don t understand what DACs or FLACS are..., but i m
sure i ll learn on those forums)
It is really difficult to see how SD supports the
Jesus, you still at it jaffacake? incredible uber-trolling.
Stop going on about your bloody review, like you are the master of the
universe. No one cares, do you get it... no one. Stop going on like you
are some kind of internet god, you got striped of your moderator status
on the forums when
jaffacake;298681 Wrote:
I totally agree, it's just a shame that Apple declined to take part in
a multi-product digital music group test when I approached them about
it a few weeks ago, i wonder why? ;)
Because they prefer to deal with proper journalists on proper popular
and respected
stephanm;298697 Wrote:
Jaffacake,what was that last comment on apple. Do u think they will
launch a product?
They already have such a product, have done for some time. They call it
the Airport Express with Airtunes. It allows you to play your iTunes
music in other rooms of the house,
jaffacake;298681 Wrote:
I thought I'd touch base on that comment and the word independent
which has also been used earlier in the thread. When I claim to be
independent, I am communicating the fact that I don't have a
financial interest in the discussion. I don't get salaried,
commissioned,
jaffacake;298419 Wrote:
My intention is to change this a little. I'm not going to sprinkle
fairy dust and say that I think one sounds better than the other, or
that ones looks better than the other...these things are all
subjective. But if one unit takes less than one second to start
One more wack at helping out cybersus:
- IF having multi-room, synced, internet-sourced music capability that
works flawlessly right now is essential AND IF the extra money is not
crucial then it's pretty clear that Sonos is the way to go
or
- or IF you want a system that sets up more like a
pippin,
I totally appreciate your angle on this. By simply comparing the 2
products side by side in every day situations I can see any obvious
differences or similarities between the two but whether these apply in
the real world is, in many respects, for the reader to decide.
Which is why I'm
May I add (as before) for my own, very subjective and NOT unbiased
resons that one of the advantages of the SB system is that you are NOT
bound to a certain controller but that there are quite a few
alternatives around...
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pippin;298754 Wrote:
May I add (as before) for my own, very subjective and NOT unbiased
resons that one of the advantages of the SB system is that you are NOT
bound to a certain controller but that there are quite a few
alternatives around...
This is certainly an advantage over the Apple
Ben,
agreed. It's just that these everyday situations can vary
dramatically. For example, I've found myself in a quite intense
discussion in another thread on whether my way of searching for music
to listen to makes sense or not. AFAIK it's something not supported by
either Sonos (at least when
pippin;298758 Wrote:
Interesting. Can you skin that or are you bound to the Web look?
I expect an iPhone skin to look like this ;-)
http://penguinlovesmusic.de/?page_id=7
It's fully skinnable if you have the artistic talent. Sadly I struggle
to draw a stickman, so I stick with one of the
Jaffacake can't you get into the sonos forums. You have gone to great
lengths to cut down everything Squeezebox even so far as fake reviews
on amazon. I really don't know why you do it? Anywhere there is a
question on Sonos vs Squeezebox there you are, acting like you are
impartial and giving
Here's the story.
Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you
use a wired connection that is a moot point.
Sound quality between the two units is basically equivalent.
We can play a different song to each player, or you can sync them all
together.
We're a MUCH
This thread will probably give you more than you want for the pro's and
con's of both products (both facts and opinions).
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1006811
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I looked at both when I needed to replace my audiotrons (a now-defunct
precursor product). I ended up going the squeezebox route and am quite
happy (I now have 5 of them around the house with a variety of
amps+speakers and powered speakers). I continue to hear good things
though about Sonos so
You don't have RSS feeds and Podcast on Sonos
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mvalera;298371 Wrote:
Here's the story.
Sonos' initial setup is easier for the novice for wireless, but if you
use a wired connection that is a moot point.
Not at all true when we're talking about controller connectivity
issues. These forums are full of such problems and the controllers
jaffacake;298410 Wrote:
I don't work for Slim Devices, Logitech, Sonos, or indeed anybody in the
hifi industry. I'm a simple, independent, IT geek who sits in a cube all
day working for a car company.
Judging from your posts on your personal site, the sonos forum and the
SD forum I think it
SilverRS8;298415 Wrote:
Judging from your posts on your personal site, the sonos forum and the
SD forum I think it is not fair to say your independent. You are very
much pro Sonos. Which ofcourse you are entitled to. Maybe the
synchronization fits your needs best and Sonos is the better
Jaffa, nothing you have said here even comes close to brushing on the
truth.
I have sent you an email, please follow my request.
Thanks,
Mike
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mvalera;298438 Wrote:
Jaffa, nothing you have said here even comes close to brushing on the
truth.
I have sent you an email, please follow my request.
Thanks,
Mike
I see no untruths.
I believe your email went to a redundant address and bounced off my
mail gateway. I've updated my
Ok, how's this then...
Nothing you have said in this forum, or any other, was not completely
tainted by obvious bias.
This is not the place for it. Read your email.
Mike
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Anybody out there research/own both? I have been looking at sonos for a
while, and just saw duet advertised. Sonos certainly more expensive.
Sonos says their remote is nicer, and that it is easier to set up a
multi-room set up.
my house is wired with ethernet and has wireless too. I have
cybersus;298181 Wrote:
Can different music be played simultaneously in different rooms from
just one hard drive??
Yes, you can play independently or synced. For any of the squeezebox
players you will need the SqueezeCenter software running somewhere on
the network though.
So, what's the
cybersus;298181 Wrote:
Anybody out there research/own both? I have been looking at sonos for a
while, and just saw duet advertised. Sonos certainly more expensive.
Sonos says their remote is nicer, and that it is easier to set up a
multi-room set up.
IMHO that's wrong.
I cannot comment
cybersus;298181 Wrote:
So, what's the difference in the two??
I was in a similar position and almost bought a Sonos system on more
than one occasion but I wasn't able to convinced myself to pull the
trigger.
pippin;298191 Wrote:
The big edge for the duet is that it's a much more open system.
cybersus;298181 Wrote:
Anybody out there research/own both? I have been looking at sonos for a
while, and just saw duet advertised. Sonos certainly more expensive.
Sonos says their remote is nicer, and that it is easier to set up a
multi-room set up.
my house is wired with ethernet and
There is also a rather suspicious review on Amazon.co.uk
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I believe that this person is the same as a person that was asking very
pointed questions about very specific things the SB did not do as well
as the Sonos system. They were questions that the answers were known
ahead of time to make it look more natural and put the Duet in a bad
light. This
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing when I read the CNet review...
The guys name is Ben Rose (aka Jafacake, RO53BEN) and he's been a Sonos
user since 2005 with over 2500 posts on the Sonos forum.
http://www.jaffacake.net/bensblog.nsf/dx/sonos---update
http://www.jaffacake.net/dx/sonoszp100
Yeah it's really a shame that he has such an ego to be right about
everything that he can't stand to see another product compete with his
beloved Sonos. It's too bad because he has probably caused a few
people to miss out on a great product that they might have really
enjoyed. I don't
The most galling thing about Ben Rose's post on CNET and his posts on
here are that, as a person resident in the UK he can't legally use
Rhapsody/Pandora etc so why state that the Sonos can stream to more
than 3 rooms and the SB can't when in his case it is irrelevant.
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I posted a comment on his blog asking him about 'his' Duet and he claims
he was 'loaned' a pre-release unit from a friend. Curiously he's now
closed the blog entry to any further comments...
I really cant understand why anyone would go to so much trouble to bad
mouth a product. Life's far too
MuckleEck;285386 Wrote:
The most galling thing about Ben Rose's post on CNET and his posts on
here are that, as a person resident in the UK he can't legally use
Rhapsody/Pandora etc so why state that the Sonos can stream to more
than 3 rooms and the SB can't when in his case it is
andyg;267171 Wrote:
Correct, gapless is not currently supported when synced. Alan has some
plans to possibly fix this in a future version, but it will be a lot of
work.
How much is a lot of work? Any timescales? A month? 6mths? A year?
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I will disagree on the Not open source statement. The software
source is open, but it's not Free Software as the FSF defines it.
There are many examples of Open Source applications that require
payment, don't allow modification, etc. (A number of PHP apps for
example).
Can you please confirm, even if playing from a local SlimServer
installation, that you cannot achieve gapless playback with a
multi-room party (synced) implementation? I understand it's a no-no
for Internet radio or subscription service, but for local playback?
This is perhaps a crucial point
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Correct, gapless is not currently supported when synced. Alan has some
plans to possibly fix this in a future version, but it will be a lot of
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snarlydwarf;266490 Wrote:
My guess: DRM.
Sending an stream of decrypted audio over a wire or 802.11 interface is
probably a no-no. Sending it over a proprietary encrypted 2.4G
microwave connection is probably okay.
There's no DRM on internet radio dude...
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jaffacake;266587 Wrote:
There's no DRM on internet radio dude...
Rhapsody is a proprietory music service though.
And plenty of people want DRM even on internet radio, especially the US
Senate - google the Perform Act and DRM. The concern is (IIRC) partly
driven by stuff like 'this'
I think if you were to search and replace on the above summary and
replace 'multi-room' with 'synchronous multi-room' it seems about
right. I happen to have 4 SBs so have a fully functioning 'multi-room'
system. I hardly ever want to have all of these 'synched' so for me
the SBs 'multi-room'
So to summarise for the OP:
Sonos has always been better at the multi-room and controller thing,
but Slim Devices are hoping to close this gap with the new Duet
product.
Although newer than Sonos, it doesn't actually offer feature
equivalence. For example, going multi-room has considerable
zigzag;266758 Wrote:
If I don't want to run a server (and I definitely don't) then I can play
Pandora songs in as many room simultaneously as I want, Rhapsody songs
in up to 3 rooms and internet radio in just 1.
I don't see why you can't play internet radio in as many rooms as you
like,
Thanks for all the information in such a short time.
I learned a lot though it was not as straight forward as I hoped. If I
don't want to run a server (and I definitely don't) then I can play
Pandora songs in as many room simultaneously as I want, Rhapsody songs
in up to 3 rooms and internet
jaffacake;266643 Wrote:
Slim doesn't offer gapless playback? What about Pink Floyd?
Dont panic, all SB's do gapless just fine ;)
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shawkie;266598 Wrote:
I also think that a system where audio is pushed from the server (like
the Sonos) would be much better for whole house synching than the
approach used by SlimServer/SqueezeCenter. We could have proper
gapless, synched playback and we could have an audio input on the
It's convoluted but I suppose Rhapsody PC client running UPNP can talk
to a slimserver which in turn streams to multiple clients ?
I know that's how Roku support Rhapsody
Squeezenetwork is obviously much better
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JJZolx;266479 Wrote:
Why not? That would seem to be the ovious way of doing it, particularly
if synching and whole house audio are a priority.
I also think that a system where audio is pushed from the server
(like the Sonos) would be much better for whole house synching than the
approach
jaffacake wrote:
It seems very
much like you may get what you pay for but if you're on a limited
budget, SD will offer a feature-reduced equivalent that may suit
smaller households.
There are many SB functions that aren't matched by Sonos, just check the
plugin list.
Regards,
Peter
Peter;266730 Wrote:
There are many SB functions that aren't matched by Sonos, just check the
plugin list.
Regards,
Peter
Sorry, I was targetting the response at the OPs and his specific
requirements for Rhapsody and multi-room sync.
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autopilot;266649 Wrote:
Dont panic, all SB's do gapless just fine ;)
Shawkie: What were you on about then?
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The explanation given earlier in the thread was that SqueezeCenter is
open source, and there are problems having the DRM decrypter be part
of an open source package. That's why it's okay to have it in the
player firmware, since that's not open source.
On Feb 7, 2008 8:05 AM, shawkie
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jaffacake;266650 Wrote:
Shawkie: What were you on about then?
If players are synced they lose the ability to play gaplessly.
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The funny thing is, the fact that I don't have a Sonos system has
absolutely nothing to do with cost. Its simply that I refuse to have
such a device operating on 2.4GHz independently of my Wi-Fi network.
Those frequencies are simply way too busy (at least in urban areas)
already.
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SuperQ;266405 Wrote:
The Squeezebox Controller (Duet remote) was fully open source last I
checked out the code from the subversion server. :-)
SqueezeCenter is Open Source (http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd), but
the Controller software (the top layer, the Jive code) is released
under a
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
Needing multi-room sync complicates things, because that is easier to
do with a local server, which he does not want to run.
His is a rather specialized problem and he should definitely choose the
platform that best fits those specialized needs.
To which I'd suggest a
JJZolx;266889 Wrote:
I think both products are definitely _NOT_ for you. You lose most of
the functionality of the devices by limiting yourself to poor quality
Internet radio and pay services. Why spend hundreds and hundreds of
dollars for that?
I think this person is trying to please his
peterw;266886 Wrote:
SqueezeCenter is Open Source (http://www.opensource.org/docs/osd), but
the Controller software (the top layer, the Jive code) is released
under a very restrictive (IMO) proprietary license. See
http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?JiveArchitecture -- the Logitech
On Feb 7, 2008 8:40 PM, peterw
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The source code for the Controller is available, but it is NOT open
source.
You mean it's not Open Source. It is open source.
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I have about 700 CDs but I havent put the time into ripping them
because I dont have time in my life with the kids and all that. I
looked into a ripping service but then I discovered Rhapsody on my PC
and $120/ year for unlimited music was cheaper than ripping and the
kids love it because we
When I ask my friends in the know they all say Sonos if you have the
money and if not, Squeezebox. Im trying to understand the differences
in a 4 room setup. It seems like Duets and powered speakers are quite a
bit cheaper than a Sonos 4 room setup with speakers.
I would amend that a bit and
zigzag;266275 Wrote:
Can my kids play their music in the playroom while my wife and I listen
to something different in the family room?
Yes, each receiver can play a different Pandora channel.
zigzag;266275 Wrote:
When we have a party can we make a Rhapsody playlist and play it in all
mvalera;266287 Wrote:
I just checked with the SqueeeNetwork guru, Andy G, and he said you can
sync up to three Squeezeboxes at a time to Rhapsody. So not four, but
nearly there.
BTW this is a policy imposed by Rhapsody, not an architectural
limitation.
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Just to clarify, I don't have any SBs (yet). As I understand the
system, the Squeezenetwork is the internet based server so I don't have
to run a server in my house. That is what I want as we have enough
trouble keeping our PCs working.
As I understand mvalera's response, if I'm using the
The 3-player limitation is Rhapsody's, it doesn't apply to any other
audio source. Syncing internet radio is hit or miss on SN because each
player receives a different audio stream and it's not possible to sync
those. If you want good sync your best bet is to run SqueezeCenter.
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With the Duet and new Controller, I don't think there is any reason to
go w/Sonos. $400 for first room v. $1k; $150 for subsequent rooms
v.$400. Comparable sound (I think SB is better, but it is debatable)
and vastly more functionality for SB. I don't even really think the
Sonos is that much
Just curious - if I have a single Rhapsody subscription can I listen to
different tracks on different players at the same time?
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Sorry, I misunderstood and thought you already had one SB.
re 'fiddling' I think it's quite possible that you could get the duet,
take it out of the box and have it working in a few minutes. You'll
find some testimonials elsewhere here to that effect. It's not that
there is some necessary
Sorry to be dumb but I really need to understand this before I go
through the effort to sell the family on it and then buy it, and get it
working.
Is it correct that if I want to synchronize Pandora or Rhapsody to play
the same song in more than 3 rooms for Rhapsody or more than one room
for
radish;266329 Wrote:
Just curious - if I have a single Rhapsody subscription can I listen to
different tracks on different players at the same time?
Yes, up to 3 different players at the same time.
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zigzag;266344 Wrote:
Sorry to be dumb but I really need to understand this before I go
through the effort to sell the family on it and then buy it, and get it
working.
Is it correct that if I want to synchronize Pandora or Rhapsody to play
the same song in more than 3 rooms for Rhapsody
I just checked with the SqueeeNetwork guru, Andy G, and he said you can
sync up to three Squeezeboxes at a time to Rhapsody. So not four, but
nearly there.
BTW this is a policy imposed by Rhapsody, not an architectural
limitation
This is very interesting because, as I understand it, Sonos
I don't claim to know anything about the Sonos architecture but I would
guess they only have one connection to the Rhapsody audio and then
transport the decrypted audio within their closed network to each
player. We can't do that, so each player needs a separate connection
to the Rhapsody
andyg;266370 Wrote:
I don't claim to know anything about the Sonos architecture but I would
guess they only have one connection to the Rhapsody audio and then
transport the decrypted audio within their closed network to each
player. We can't do that, so each player needs a separate
Right, players don't talk to each other, only the server. In order to
share a single Rhapsody connection, the server would need to talk
directly to Rhapsody, and this is not possible because our server is
open source.
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andyg;266375 Wrote:
Right, players don't talk to each other, only the server. In order to
share a single Rhapsody connection, the server would need to talk
directly to Rhapsody, and this is not possible because our server is
open source.
Ah, so the open nature of the SB makes it
Yes, having an open server means anything DRM-related must be in the
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andyg;266379 Wrote:
Yes, having an open server means anything DRM-related must be in the
player firmware.
Ah, so it's all because of DRM? So when all these companies finally
ditch DRM you'll be able to sync all the rooms without trouble?
Incidentally, I didn't get an answer on how easy it
Re: how easy it is to sync, it's no different than how you sync on the
player UI or web UI.
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Possibly, but don't get your hopes up about that.
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eritor wrote:
This might not be popular here , but I recommend the Sonos system. I
looked at the Duet first, but after reading the forums here extensively
(!) I realized that it can be buggy and/or a hassle it you are unlucky.
Uhmmm, this is a beta product we're talking about.
If you want
This might not be popular here , but I recommend the Sonos system. I
looked at the Duet first, but after reading the forums here extensively
(!) I realized that it can be buggy and/or a hassle it you are unlucky.
Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of an open-source system, but I
just want the
jaffacake;266378 Wrote:
Ah, so the open nature of the SB makes it complicated when connecting to
3rd party proprietary networks like Rhapsody?
Is this why i heard the new Duet controller isn't fully open source?
Some of it's DRM, but mostly it is because the core design of the
Squeezebox
eritor;266394 Wrote:
This might not be popular here , but I recommend the Sonos system.
I don't find people here will object to differing opinions. (Well,
maybe in the Audiophile forum ;)
The sonos is a nice box. I really like the simple integrated amp and
controller. I just find that
There is no hate for Sonos here, it's a great product.
We're just aiming to produce a better product with the Duet. I think
we're well on our way.
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andyg;266370 Wrote:
I don't claim to know anything about the Sonos architecture but I would
guess they only have one connection to the Rhapsody audio and then
transport the decrypted audio within their closed network to each
player. We can't do that
Why not? That would seem to be the
re: Rhapsody
If it is a single stream, and n number of devices synchronize on their
side through a server, or master or something, then it is one stream.
(This is how Sonos multi-zone works).
If it is three separate streams, and for some reason the three streams
are being sync'd, then it is a 3
andyg;266370 Wrote:
I don't claim to know anything about the Sonos architecture but I would
guess they only have one connection to the Rhapsody audio and then
transport the decrypted audio within their closed network to each
player. We can't do that, so each player needs a separate
JJZolx;266479 Wrote:
Why not? That would seem to be the ovious way of doing it, particularly
if synching and whole house audio are a priority.
My guess: DRM.
Sending an stream of decrypted audio over a wire or 802.11 interface is
probably a no-no. Sending it over a proprietary encrypted
snarlydwarf;266490 Wrote:
My guess: DRM.
Sending an stream of decrypted audio over a wire or 802.11 interface is
probably a no-no. Sending it over a proprietary encrypted 2.4G
microwave connection is probably okay.
Sonos doesn't use standard 802.11 for their network, they use their own
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