Squeezemenicely wrote:
Who knows maybe in a few years when all our boxes have died, we will
only have Minipcs running squeezeslave, or ithingies with iPeng - then
none of the streaming player companies will get our cash...
I believe this may be the reason why Logitech have killed the SB. It
I registered at the UE website - the server software is available for
Mac and Windows (XP and later), but not for Linux.
Robert
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I envy those who feel content to let their Squeezeboxen plod along with
local access and limited functionality. Naturally those who are
concerned by the potential loss of online services are most likely to be
those who use them currently, but I think for many of us our
expectations are slightly
Well, my usage of my squeezeboxes is variable.
- The Squeezebox Radio in the bedroom is almost exclusively used to
listen to BBC Radio streams, and only occasionally other streams or my
music collection.
- The Squeezebox Radio in the kitchen is used for BBC Radio, but also to
stream my music
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major
class
action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue
mysqueezebox.com?.
No, as long as they provide the promised services for a certain time
period for newly sold hardware.
johnnydarko wrote:
Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES?
Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els,
Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz.
And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS.
The Apple Airport Express (£79) has all the hardware in it to do the
work of a Squeezebox Receiver.
I am guessing that running LMS, Squeezeplay and Airfoil
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/windows/
would achieve all; but a single Squeezebox-Airplay App would be neater.
But what I have is
pippin wrote:
Yes. Actually the VortexboxPlayer handles more hires than anything els,
Squeezebox included, it works up to 192kHz.
And it's a Squeezebox-Player, you can use it with LMS.
johnnydarko wrote:
Ah, yes, but does the VortexPlayer handle GAPLESS and HI-RES?
Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
no change it aint dead.
Just like HDDVD aint dead. it all works just fine so why change
anything?
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erland wrote:
...but I don't want to go into any further details regarding this at the
moment
What are you up to erland? :)
erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody
erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that Logitech or anybody
505 wrote:
And a plugin for the radio service to interface directly with TuneIn
could sove the radio part.
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently
of sb.com?
The Tunein app uses sb.com and has an additional feature not available
in the plugin - Presets
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we
have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and
what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it support
many of
hvb83 wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we
have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and
what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it
The main difference as far as I can see is that the UE system is not
compatible with the existing LMS system - you have to add another server
to get music access.
Apparently, it will be possible to install the UE firmware on an SB
Radio - but I understood this is a one-way street - you won't
hvb83 wrote:
Perhaps I'm missing out on something or am I just being naive. But do we
have a clear understanding already of what the new UE-system does and
what it doesn't do? From what I've seen on the website, it does support
streaming services like Spotify and Pandora, so why wouldn't it
Grumpy Bob wrote:
There's not a HiFi quality player
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
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simbo wrote:
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
But Logitech has now purchased Ultimate Ears. The old UE users seem to
be no more happy with the new Logitech branded UE items than we
Grumpy Bob wrote:
I registered at the UE website (www.uesmartradio.com) - the server
software (UE Music Library), is available for Mac and Windows (XP and
later), but not for Linux.
Robert
Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked
to generate a PIN -- My SB
simbo wrote:
Which I find very odd, as Ultimate Ears made/make very good quality
earphones (I have a set). Looks like this'll upset UE fans as much as
us.
And they say this on their main web page (forgive the capitalisation, I
just pasted it - so it's their capitalisation):
WE DON'T JUST
Any chance it will be possible to to install UE firmware on the touch?
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Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in
releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more
devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that
the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If you read the
posts
hvb83 wrote:
Of course this is all based on speculation, but I don't see any sense in
releasing this new concept to market, if they will not be releasing more
devices to run on that service. Even Logitech should realize by now that
the Radio alone isn't going to help the concept survive. If
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their
128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock.
R
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From my perspective, the new UE system fails my needs because:
1. There's not a HiFi quality player, just a radio with no digital or
analogue outputs (other than a headphone socket)
Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been
said that there
Grumpy Bob wrote:
I think garym is absolutely correct - most people are happy with their
128k mp3s played from an iPod or a phone through a dock.
It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least
people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with
sound.
alfista wrote:
Not currently no, but there's nothing to say there won't be. It's been
said that there won't be a Touch as we know it that is a rebranded
Touch the way the new Radio for all intents and purposes is the same box
as the old one. To me this more or less hints that more products
simbo wrote:
It almost makes you pine for the midi-hifi days of the 80's. At least
people understood the need for large(r) speakers to fill rooms with
sound.
What next? Go back to 14 TVs in the corner of the room?
Hmm. Or perhaps 14 computer monitors? Or Smartphone screens?
Those TVs
garym wrote:
My understanding from past discussions is that logitech employees are
not allowed to discuss any new products, OR WHETHER THERE ARE ANY NEW
PRODUCTS. So Michael's non response on this question does not really
provide any info about the existence (or not) of any new products to
RonM wrote:
I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end
speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought
great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to
digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
I detest legal issues but doesn't Logitech open themselves up to a major
class
action lawsuit and individual lawsuits if they discontinue
mysqueezebox.com?
After all, some folks,like me, purchased their products on the condition
that this
service existed and
simbo wrote:
I know it's anecdotal, but I'm amazed when I go to (richer) people's
houses with big rooms, massive TVs and high-end furniture, then they
have a basic iPod dock/speaker kit for their music needs, playing their
collection of 128kpbs iTunes tracks. I think the demographic you
RonM wrote:
I've been wondering about that. I'd think they certainly have an
obligation to continue to provide services that were at the root of the
sales offering. At the very least they'd need to provide alternatives.
I suspect there will be something in the works on this.
R.
Your
I wouldn't count on it. One of the reasons they are pulling the plug I
think, is that the platform has become too open. You don't actually need
a SB-client anymore to use the server, and with iPeng being able to
emulate a player with sync and 48/96khz, even a novice can set it up.
And if Logitech
RonM wrote:
I don't know, there still seem to be lots of people buying high-end
speakers out there. I suspect that the same demographic who bought
great speakers to play vinyl on in the 50s and 60s and who converted to
digital sources (CDs) in the 80s will be doing so going forward. There
MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to.
Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ??
In which case there would be some sort of conversion??
or am I being too simplistic?
bonze's
castalla wrote:
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently
of sb.com? . ?
My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu
navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the
background.
I can emulate LMS running with no
toby10 wrote:
My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu
navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the
background.
I can emulate LMS running with no MySB account where My Apps and App
Gallery give the expected this won't work without a
LMS includes a Tunein plugin by default. Does this work independently
of sb.com? . ?
My guess is no. I'm pretty sure that plugin is basically the menu
navigation within the Internet Radio menu's, but still uses MySB in the
background.
That's correct. But many of the _free_ services
Grumpy Bob wrote:
You could block mysqueezebox.com at the router to see what effect that
has
Let us know what you find out. ;)
I have no idea how to do this myself.
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MySB.com 'locks-in' the user to Logitech, or at least tries to.
Therefore won't they be replacing it with a MyUE.com ??
There's uesmartradio.com for the new players. Conversion for SB Radio -
UE SR is planned but not there yet.
--
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erland wrote:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
Yes! As you said it's the best hardware you can currently get and i'm
Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create
an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com?
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Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create
an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com?
I wonder if it isn't possible for one of the brilliant Plugin developers
to create a Plugin to emulate UE for LMS connections to
chenrikson wrote:
Robert -- How did you manage to register? I was fine until I was asked
to generate a PIN -- My SB Radio doesn't seem to have that function.
Just register and when you are asked at the next screen to Add a Radio,
close your browser and then log in.
autopilot wrote:
Would people please read the first line of my original post please :)
Which first line? The thread topic about the next system? Or the
body of the post about what one would buy now? Given the expected life
of SB hardware, and even some expected continuation of mysb.com, I
A Logitech Transporter for running LMS
and a Sonos Connect connected to the digital input of the Transporter
for music services and Internet radio .
I'll do this only when mysqueezebox is
discontinued and I look to buy a cheap used Sonos .
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
A Logitech Transporter for running LMS
and a Sonos Connect connected to the digital input of the Transporter
for music services and Internet radio .
I'll do this only when mysqueezebox is
discontinued and I look to buy a cheap used Sonos .
interesting. my
aubuti wrote:
Which first line? The thread topic about the next system? Or the
body of the post about what one would buy now? Given the expected life
of SB hardware, and even some expected continuation of mysb.com, I would
certainly have very different answers to those two very different
If Sonopsy could work on a Mac to transcode hi-res files on Sonos for
the rooms for casual listening, I could live with that and a computer
hooked directly to my main system.
Another solution would be a good dock like the Pure i20 with ipeng
running on an ipad or iphone.
in hindsight this has been on the cards for a while
1. wind down of the dev team
2. lms releases full of bugs
3. Phil Leigh leaving the forum
4. Touches being sold off at discount on amazon
etc
It's rather poor form of Logitech not to announce the plans for SB.com.
Apart from that this is what
SBGK wrote:
3. Phil Leigh leaving the forum
No, Phil likely left because he got tired of idiots taking over many
threads, spewing nonsense. Too much to wade through to get to useful
things.
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garym wrote:
No, Phil likely left because he got tired of idiots taking over many
threads, spewing nonsense. Too much to wade through to get to useful
things.
Did he officially announce his departure?
autopilot's
autopilot wrote:
Did he officially announce his departure?
no
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SBGK wrote:
in hindsight this has been on the cards for a while
1. wind down of the dev team
2. lms releases full of bugs
3. Phil Leigh leaving the forum
4. Touches being sold off at discount on amazon
etc
It's rather poor form of Logitech not to announce the plans for SB.com.
garym wrote:
No, Phil likely left because he got tired of idiots taking over many
threads, spewing nonsense. Too much to wade through to get to useful
things. autopilot wrote:
Did he officially announce his departure?
It would be very unusual for an ordinary forum member, or even an
aubuti wrote:
It would be very unusual for an ordinary forum member, or even an
extraordinary member, to officially announce leaving the forums. In my
experience, the people who announce they are leaving usually reappear in
short order (many of them the same nonsense-spewers garym cites).
autopilot wrote:
Ok, this thread was intended to get some hypothetical views about what
people would buy now, other than a Squeezebox. The first line was
Putting the fact that we can still run our hardware in the short term
aside for now was intended to avoid but I'm still going to use my
castalla wrote:
Not being any kind of devloper, I wonder how difficult it'd be to create
an alternative Tunein plugin which doesn't depend on mysb.com?
As long as the developer can get access to the API from TuneIn it won't
be a big problem as long as you are running a local LMS, the LMS is
lrossouw wrote:
erland wrote:
...but I don't want to go into any further details regarding this at the
moment
What are you up to erland? :)
I don't want to go into any further details at this moment. :)
The only advice I can give you is to not get panic and start buying
erland wrote:
Your Squeezebox hardware worked excellently a week ago, it works
excellent today and it's likely going to work excellent 6 months in the
future, so there isn't any reason to hurry or get panic at the moment,
just wait a bit and see how things will evolve before making any
Does anyone have experence with Popcornhour products. I'm looking at the
newer A300 model.
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erland wrote:
I don't want to go into any further details at this moment. :)
If you're doing what I'm thinking than I'm not worried about the future
of the SqueezeBoxes... ;)
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lrossouw wrote:
If you're doing what I'm thinking than I'm not worried about the future
of the SqueezeBoxes... ;)
What do you think he's doing? :)
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kidstypike wrote:
Come over here where we can't be heard ...
What do you think he's doing? :)
I find this I know something you don't know game very annoying.
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drgn95 wrote:
Does anyone have experence with Popcornhour products. I'm looking at the
newer A300 model.
I have 2, and they are great, but they are video products and no
replacement for SB.
I also have the A110 - 4 years old I figure and still having firmware
versions coming out to support
lrossouw wrote:
If you're doing what I'm thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vO8idUH83Y8
and
http://thejunket.org/2012/01/issue-two/are-you-thinking-what-im-thinking-youre-thinking/
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aubuti wrote:
It would be very unusual for an ordinary forum member, or even an
extraordinary member, to officially announce leaving the forums. In my
experience, the people who announce they are leaving usually reappear in
short order (many of them the same nonsense-spewers garym cites).
Should any of mine go tzts-up, I'll scrounge for a replacement.
Should a replacement boom be unappealing, I'll BT my tablet to external
speaker (or jack it to a real stereo for remote use.)
Should a replacement receiver be unappealing, I'll get another sb3.
(Duh)
yes, FOR LIFE
I will never use a DIY PC as an audio player. Not even a very cheap,
very small, very green one.
I tried the HTPC for years, and the experience was pure junk. I used
iTunes 1.0 with a long audio cable running to my stereo, and that wasn't
so good either.
I went to the SB system because it was a
yeomanspc wrote:
I have 2, and they are great, but they are video products and no
replacement for SB.
I also have the A110 - 4 years old I figure and still having firmware
versions coming out to support new video functions. How's that for
support?
The new A300 has a very clever
SBGK wrote:
his last post in no way indicates his intention to leave, so garym was
correct, or is there a hidden message in there ?
I no longer have anything to contribute here.
It's been (mostly) fun ... Have a nice life
Ciao,
Phil
Why am I not surprised you cut out the line immediately
Labarum wrote:
The Apple Airport Express (£79) has all the hardware in it to do the
work of a Squeezebox Receiver.
I am guessing that running LMS, Squeezeplay and Airfoil
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/windows/
would achieve all; but a single Squeezebox-Airplay App would be neater.
drgn95 wrote:
Does anyone have experence with Popcornhour products. I'm looking at the
newer A300 model.
dborod wrote:
This is pretty close to what I do, although I use squeezeslave instead
of squeezeplay . . . In my perfect world . . .
A software with all the ability of Logitech Media
Labarum wrote:
A software with all the ability of Logitech Media Server and able to
send media streams to any Apple compatible (Airplay) device would be a
boon. Apple would hate it, and the software would no doubt have to be
constantly modified to dodge spoiling tactics, but that's one way
Putting the fact that we can still run our hardware in the short term
aside for now; To me, it seems like the only real alternative solution
is Sonos. Opinions? What would you buy now and why?
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Don't know, there is nothing out there that can replace my SB. :(
If my SB dies I will use an old iPhone/iPod Touch and iPeng.
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Don't know, there is nothing out there that can replace my SB. :(
If my SB dies I will use an old iPhone/iPod Touch and iPeng.
Well I am currently using a (very recently bought) SBT and two SBRs,
with the now-retired SB3 as backup unit, so I think can keep going for a
while
autopilot wrote:
Putting the fact that we can still run our hardware in the short term
aside for now; To me, it seems like the only real alternative solution
is Sonos. Opinions? What would you buy now and why?
As long as mysb.com stays alive, I can go on for years, and probably
will. But,
Grumpy Bob wrote:
Sad to see such an excellent and versatile system bite the dust.
Robert
Reminds me of that apocryphal Mark Twain quote: The rumors of my death
have been greatly exaggerated. It is usually best to let the person
actually die before they get buried. ;-)
My next system will be Squeezebox based. Today I've invested in 2 x
Booms, 1 x Radio and 1 x Touch.
I expect those and my existing players to keep me going for quite some
years yet.
There is nothing else on the market that comes even close to providing
the features and flexibility I want and
mlsstl wrote:
Reminds me of that apocryphal Mark Twain quote: The rumors of my death
have been greatly exaggerated. It is usually best to let the person
actually die before they get buried. ;-)
You are correct of course! But it does look like a long slow decline
into oblivion for Squeezebox,
garym wrote:
As long as mysb.com stays alive, I can go on for years, and probably
will. But, like you, I like to think ahead about these things and have
the same question. I wish that it was as simple as moving eventually to
SONOS. My vortexbox appliances already support SONOS, so that part
Given the opensource (it is right?) nature of LMS we can make it live
on. Combined with SqueezeSlave and similar projects I propose raspberry
pis with usb sound cards as the hardware (or anything that can run
squeezeslave or squeezeplay). And the rest is all software with remote
apps.
We'd
lrossouw wrote:
I propose raspberry pis with usb sound cards as the hardware (or
anything that can run squeezeslave or squeezeplay)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfH8W0k3qkQ
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I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist that
the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open source
if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products. In that regard,
Sean and Co. didn't do us any favors when they cut their deal. I know
this is
I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist that
the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open source
if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products.
I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders from
Microsoft in there.
I currently have 1 Touch connected to the main stereo and 1 Receiver
which is used with headphones in my homeoffice.
And I have an additional Receiver on a shelf somewhere.
So I should be covered for a couple of years; SONOS is not an
alternative for me.
Maybe I should pick up an extra Touch
mherger wrote:
I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist
that
the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open
source
if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products.
I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders
mherger wrote:
I just wish someone at SlimDevices had had the foresight to insist
that
the firmware for the SB line would automatically revert to open
source
if Logitech ever abandoned development of the products.
I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders
I think the problem there is 3rd party code. Eg. there are decoders from
I thought the major problem was lack of access to the dev tools needed
to build for the pre ARM player platform.
Yes, I covered this by the 3rd party code :-).
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I recently bought a CuBox mini computer, to play videos using XBMC. It
has an HDMI out, and SPDIF out. If my Touch would die, XBMC would be a
good option. The apps on iPad/Android to control XBMC are quite good, so
I would not need to switch on the tv. That might be a reasonable
alternative for
505 wrote:
I recently bought a CuBox mini computer, to play videos using XBMC. It
has an HDMI out, and SPDIF out. If my Touch would die, XBMC would be a
good option. The apps on iPad/Android to control XBMC are quite good, so
I would not need to switch on the tv. That might be a reasonable
I'm suddenly glad I held onto my CD player...even though it's just been
gathering dust and hasn't been plugged in for 7 years now.
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garym wrote:
Am I correct in assuming this system wouldn't handle sync to multiple
room players (across wifi or ethernet) and wouldn't allow the user to
use services that require authentication (MOG, Spotify, SiriusXM, etc.)
other than accessing the web based version of these services on the
505 wrote:
Sync, no. But my house is small enough (or the speakers large enough) to
hear my music everywhere, so I don't need that. It's a nice feature, I'm
sure, but not a killer-feature for any music system.
thanks for the info. Interesting about your comment regarding sync not
being a
garym wrote:
Am I correct in assuming this system wouldn't handle sync to multiple
room players
XBMC has squeezebox plugins. The controller/artwork display is OK, but
the player is just a squeezeslave. The showstopper for me was that it
grabs the audio output and doesn't integrate nicely with
pallfreeman wrote:
I could live without the hardware, but LMS is what I'll miss most,
assuming the worst.
well, LMS as it exists today will never go away. And people could keep
creating 3rd party plugins for it. I have many versions saved on my disk
and backups. They can always be installed
Ask me in five years when I might be getting close to possibly replacing
my current SB/LMS system. ;)
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