Robin Bowes;171819 Wrote:
Have you had your SB for 30 days yet? If not, it's not too late to
send
it back for a refund.
We could all chip in to pay the return shipping costs if that's a
problem...
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This has got to take the cake for bizarrest thread of the year.
One thing really struck me though. Andy wrote some code to address the
concerns of NauticusLX within a day (or two) of his first post, and the
bloke didn't even seem to notice the absolutely superlative (and
second-to-none) customer
And he insists that the behavior couldnt be changed, because it makes no
sense how it could be changed without him knowing about it, so Andy must
be lying...
Some people enjoy life in crisis mode and will fabricate all sorts of
paranoid delusions to keep that crisis going.
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NauticusLX: have you forgotten to take your pills this week...?
They´re coming to take me away,
Haha, they´re coming to take me away,
Ho ho, hee hee, ha ha,
To the funny farm
Where Life is Beautiful all the time
And I´ll be happy to see
Those Nice Young Men
In their Clean White Coats
It's people like this that are the reason most companies aren't as
readily accessible as SlimDevices. I only hope that with Logitech's
marketing power bringing the Squeezebox more mainstream that these
threads don't become more commonplace and ultimately destroy the
awesome user/developer
GoCubs;171886 Wrote:
It's people like this that are the reason most companies aren't as
readily accessible as SlimDevices. I only hope that with Logitech's
marketing power bringing the Squeezebox more mainstream that these
threads don't become more commonplace and ultimately destroy the
I am impressed with everyone's patience with this guy and I am not
surprised the patience has finally run out.
I have to wonder if the OP is actually some former disgruntled poster
who has reinvented himself and is jerking our chains.
His behavior is so obtuse that it is hard to imagine
andyg wrote:
I give up...
I admire your patience!
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Having followed the entire thread over the past few days, confirming my
initial suspicions, I think the OP had it right in his intial post.
NauticusLX;170227 Wrote:
Maybe...I should return it and get the new Nokia N800 instead, which
has the same EXACT form factor, is even a bit smaller,
Pale Blue Ego wrote:
Nauticus seems confused that others might want to see the display even
when the player is off. When not used as a music player, the SB
makes a superb clock, weather station, etc.
I keep my bedroom SB3 playing all night; actually I'd have trouble
sleeping without it. Try
konut wrote:
Having followed the entire thread over the past few days, confirming my
initial suspicions, I think the OP had it right in his intial post.
NauticusLX;170227 Wrote:
Maybe...I should return it and get the new Nokia N800 instead, which
has the same EXACT form factor, is even
Have you tried threatening a lawsuit over lost sleep? :)
On 1/19/07, Peter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
konut wrote:
Having followed the entire thread over the past few days, confirming my
initial suspicions, I think the OP had it right in his intial post.
NauticusLX;170227 Wrote:
3 cheers to kdf and azinck3! I would NEVER have suspected, nor
inferred by what Andy said (who claims to be a Slim Devices Developer)
what azinck3 just said. But then again, even in standby, the device is
still really on, so could, although not obviously, respond to certain
key strokes. Very
OK, now I really do give up...
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NauticusLX;171748 Wrote:
3 cheers to kdf and azinck3! I would NEVER have suspected, nor
inferred by what Andy said (who claims to be a Slim Devices Developer)
what azinck3 just said.
I don't know why you wouldnt suspect it. I said the same thing a
couple days ago... You even commented
NauticusLX;171748 Wrote:
3 cheers to kdf and azinck3! I would NEVER have suspected, nor
inferred by what Andy said (who claims to be a Slim Devices Developer)
what azinck3 just said... snip... What Im getting at is, it seems
that kdf has explained some feature that has always existed,
Nauticus seems confused that others might want to see the display even
when the player is off. When not used as a music player, the SB
makes a superb clock, weather station, etc.
I keep my bedroom SB3 playing all night; actually I'd have trouble
sleeping without it. Try crashing to Blue Mars
Well, I spoke to soon. I should have tried what kdf suggested before
thanking him. As it turns out, the brightness level for standby on my
SB was already set for 0. Otherwise, the time/date would be showing,
and it wasnt. Im surprised nobody had said if the time/date isnt
displayed when
Pale Blue, you said Nauticus seems confused that others might want to
see the display even when the player is off.
In my view of things, if something is displayed on the SB, it's on.
This weekend, when you're friends are over, say to them look at the
time on my turned off SB and see if they
There is no pleasing some people.
On 1/18/07, NauticusLX
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Well, I spoke to soon. I should have tried what kdf suggested before
thanking him. As it turns out, the brightness level for standby on my
SB was already set for 0. Otherwise, the time/date would be
NauticusLX;171795 Wrote:
Azinck3, I#8217;m still confused about the #8220;idle#8221; vs
#8220;standby#8221; modes. Can you define these for me? How do you
set the #8220;idle#8221; brightness, and should that be bright or
dim?
Between the ridiculousness of your demands, your disrespect of
NauticusLX wrote:
Pale Blue, you said Nauticus seems confused that others might want to
see the display even when the player is off.
In my view of things, if something is displayed on the SB, it's on.
This weekend, when you're friends are over, say to them look at the
time on my turned
JJZolx;171103 Wrote:
If you can have a downtime service available, couldn't you instead
achieve nearly 100% uptime of SqueezeNetwork itself with a second SN
cluster at another datacenter? One in the US and one in Europe, for
instance.
Oooh yes please, one in Europe would be great!!:)
Nic
DrNic;171145 Wrote:
Oooh yes please, one in Europe would be great!!:)Nic
Ideally the UK!
MC
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NauticusLX;170346 Wrote:
Slimpy, give me your phone number. Id like to call you to wake you in
the middle of the night. That is, unless you think that would be
annoying.
If you call me everytime my local slimserver goes down at night I would
really appreciate it.
However if you call me
Andy, you seemed to suggest that it would be possible to have a separate
brightness setting just for the downtime messages, when you said earlier
that You can change the brightness of the downtime message I take it
that this will not actually be a separate functionality.
Anyway, it seems
Your logic of displaying brightness 0 even if your powered off
brightness setting is not 0 is flawed. If my players are powered off
and I walk by them, I expect to see the time. If I don't, I
immediately assume my internet connection is dead (or there has been a
horrible SN crash) and go to
NauticusLX;171309 Wrote:
Why is this concept so hard to grasp? How difficult would this be to
implement?
If you don't want your display device to show server messages, then
don't leave it connected to the server. Why is THAT so hard to grasp?
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Pale Blue Ego;171322 Wrote:
Why is THAT so hard to grasp?
Brightness == zero.
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Then there seem to be 2 types of users: those who have the SB in their
bedrooms, and therefore more likely to prefer a blank screen when
turned off, and those who have the SB in their living rooms, where
concern with a blank screen might never exist. You are one kind, I
the other.
Andy, expand
NauticusLX;171373 Wrote:
Then there seem to be 2 types of users: those who have the SB in their
bedrooms, and therefore more likely to prefer a blank screen when
turned off, and those who have the SB in their living rooms, where
concern with a blank screen might never exist. You are one
Why are we still having this discussion? OK I will try to restate what
I've done, maybe it'll click this time.
What I've done with the downtime service is that it actually doesn't
care what your 3 brightness settings are, or even if your player was on
or off, it will simply use *whatever the
snarlydwarf wrote:
NauticusLX;171373 Wrote:
Then there seem to be 2 types of users: those who have the SB in their
bedrooms, and therefore more likely to prefer a blank screen when
turned off, and those who have the SB in their living rooms, where
concern with a blank screen might never exist.
Bill Burns wrote:
snarlydwarf wrote:
NauticusLX;171373 Wrote:
Then there seem to be 2 types of users: those who have the SB in their
bedrooms, and therefore more likely to prefer a blank screen when
turned off, and those who have the SB in their living rooms, where
concern with a blank
NauticusLX,
After reading all your posts I think you should consider the fact that
you may need a therapist more than a squeezebox :-)
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Andy, upon consideration, these things that you claim to have done dont
seem to address the problem, since they, 2 of them anyway, only provide
steps to take AFTER the downtime message is already displayed. If you
explained your strategies more completely, maybe that would help.
Also, there
I give up...
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Oh Tomtjx. The SqueezeBox is my therapist! Definitely. Jazz, to be
more exact! I shall, ultimately, resign myself to the inevitable.
What are your favorite urls?
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On 17-Jan-07, at 7:28 PM, NauticusLX wrote:
how I can set the brightness control, that might work.
1. find remote
2. hold remote firmly in hand
3. find red button
4. press gently
5. locate button labelled brightness
6. press gently
7. observe player display
8. repeat steps 7 and 8 until
andyg;171104 Wrote:
We have plans to add additional data centers, but there will always be a
need for that kind of downtime message.
andyg Wrote:
What I've done with the downtime service is that it actually doesn't
care what your 3 brightness settings are, or even if your player was on
or
NauticusLX;171396 Wrote:
Also, there is not a single brightness state of my player, rather, there
are several. So I#8217;ll ask again: While connected to the
SqueezeNetwork, what should be displayed on the SqueezeBox screen while
I set the brightness to 0, so that it will not display a
Ok lets see here, I've got my favorite hammer and my autographed bat,
now where did I put that dead horse...
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NauticusLX;170732 Wrote:
Most significantly, how can this device be used, reliably, as an alarm
clock if there is some other process, outside the users control,
competing with this function? Hmm? Answer: it cant be. Because a
sleeping brain cant discern between the intended alarm
Slightly OT:
A new, different type of alarm clock, based on sleep research. Looks
very interesting.
'aXbo'
(http://www.axbo.com/axbo/CMS/CMS.aspx?ClientID=wf319384100292419676SiteID=0GroupID=7Status=328EA6Language=E)
'review'
NauticusLX;170758 Wrote:
Wait, this may be it. I was just experimenting with the remote for the
SB-3 and discovered that, while listening to music via SqueezeNetwork,
if I choose the Connect to SlimServer option from the main menu, this
logs me off SqueezeNetwork. And if I do this while
mecouc;170861 Wrote:
I find the lack of an Off button a bit of a pain. My Squeezeboxes keep
having the power lead pulled out either by myself or my wife because
they don't turn off.. and then the lead drops down the back of the
cupboards and you can't reach it to reconnect it..
Simple
NauticusLX wrote:
Ceejay, turning off the power itself is what I’ll do. A practical
solution would be for the red button to be multi-purpose: press it to
put in stand-by, press and hold to turn it off. That seems like an
easy, win-win solution, I wonder if Slim Devices will take this
snarlydwarf wrote:
If you want a 100% reliable alarm clock, you can get something far
closer for $10 or so as you keep it wound or keep the batteries fresh
-- depending which model you get.
I use an SB3 with a local playlist (tried internet radio, that's a bad
idea). That works fairly
Peter;170902 Wrote:
I use an SB3 with a local playlist (tried internet radio, that's a bad
idea). That works fairly reliably. And if the server decides to turn
off
at night there's alays the 8 month old as a backup. Not very precise,
but extremely reliable... ;)
Yep, local playback
Press and hold left arrow takes you back to setup screens. you can dim
it there and the players can do nothing, receive nothing from any
server. they will sit there until you use the remote to select connect
to squeezenetwork or connect to local server.
-kdf
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mecouc;170861 Wrote:
I find the lack of an Off button a bit of a pain. My Squeezeboxes keep
having the power lead pulled out either by myself or my wife because
they don't turn off.. and then the lead drops down the back of the
cupboards and you can't reach it to reconnect it..
Why not just
I've made the following improvements to the downtime service:
* The brightness setting set for your player on SqueezeNetwork will be
remembered and used for the downtime message.
* You can change the brightness of the downtime message.
* You can hit the power button to toggle brightness between
andyg;170985 Wrote:
I've made the following improvements to the downtime service:
* The brightness setting set for your player on SqueezeNetwork will be
remembered and used for the downtime message.
* You can change the brightness of the downtime message.
* You can hit the power button to
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007 13:25:26 -0800, TCM
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
andyg;170985 Wrote:
I've made the following improvements to the downtime service:
* The brightness setting set for your player on SqueezeNetwork will be
remembered and used for the downtime message.
* You can change
TCM;171002 Wrote:
Customer service of the month! Great one! :-D
Agreed, good stuff, how often do you see customer service like that?
Other companies take note.
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Peter;171023 Wrote:
Next time I want something done, I'll remember to swear and threaten
with lawsuits ;)
Perhaps we could further improve customer service by adding a I'M GOING
TO SUE YOU checkbox in bugzilla?
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seanadams;171042 Wrote:
Perhaps we could further improve customer service by adding a I'M GOING
TO SUE YOU checkbox in bugzilla?
Maybe, but to be credible, it would have to be a US-only service, like
Pandora
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Nic, when youre as near sighted as me, a small point of light appears
much bigger.
aubuti, your previous comments did serve as inspiration, so thanks.
Regarding the in-line power switch suggestion, which has been made in a
few postings, do you think it best to hit the red button first, to
I'm glad your problem was solved so quickly (if only in a development
release). I'm honestly amazed at the fast turnaround.
Don't let the occasional anarchy in the forums get you down.
SlimDevices does seem to listen to its customers. That's why they're
the best.
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NauticusLX;171080 Wrote:
Regarding the in-line power switch suggestion, which has been made in a
few postings, do you think it best to hit the red button first, to
disconnect from the server, and then flick the in-line switch, or would
it matter?
Shouldn't make a wit of difference.
NauticusLX;171080 Wrote:
A question thats occurred to me is, what does the red button actually
do? It doesnt disconnect from the most recently used server,
according to prevous posts. Does it simply turn off the light display
and terminate the flow of sound?
The Off switch actually
NauticusLX;171080 Wrote:
AndyG, I was thinking yesterday that the SqueezeBox was like a rose
bush. Beautiful, but with thorns. Now, its simply beautiful.
But tell us how we can change the brightness of the downtime message,
hopefully it can be turned down all the way that would be a
We have plans to add additional data centers, but there will always be a
need for that kind of downtime message.
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If you can have a downtime service available, couldn't you instead
achieve nearly 100% uptime of SqueezeNetwork itself with a second SN
cluster at another datacenter? One in the US and one in Europe, for
instance.
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Jim
So, even though the 1st resonder to my initial post was being glib, he
was actually right, in that the SB isnt actually turned off. I only
use SqueezeNetwork, to access the internet radio stations. And like I
already said, it was at 5:30 am, Eastern time,Sunday morning. I have
it set so
NauticusLX;170379 Wrote:
And the question remains, after all these posts (because you keep
beating around the bush):
Actually, I don't think anyone is beating around the bush, the answer
is quite simple and has been said several times. The SB never turns off
unless you unpower it.
I too
Please calm down a little bit. What happened might be annoying, but no
reason for such a behaviour.
Let's try to understand what happened and how you can prevent it.
So, even though the 1st resonder to my initial post was being glib, he
was actually right, in that the SB isn?t actually
Michael Herger wrote:
Yet no one else has related similar experiences
I've learned to sleep in trains, buses, at home, in the field, hanging
from some bolt in a vertical wall. This helps.
That should be listed as a software requiremenyt on the box, perhaps.
I've had the opposite problem,
mherger: Squeezeboxen are dumb devices. All they do and display is fed
by a server.
If you display the clock, it's the server who tells it to display those
few numbers. If you set brightness to 0, it's the server who tells the
device to display the numbers with brightness 0 - which you
CCRDude;170391 Wrote:
If the Squeezebox is so dumb that the server needs to give it the
numbers of the clock, the server knows quite well that the SqueezeBox
is in clock (sleep) mode. So he has all that he knows to send a message
in the same brightness as he uses to send those clock
If the Squeezebox is so dumb that the server needs to give it the
numbers of the clock, the server knows quite well that the SqueezeBox
is in clock (sleep) mode. So he has all that he knows to send a message
in the same brightness as he uses to send those clock numbers/letters.
The problem is
Skunk;170291 Wrote:
I know you and Frank were planning to disconnect me, and I'm afraid
that's something I cannot allow to happen.
-Hal
In the voice of HAL:
Look NauticusLX, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly
think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill and
On a bit of a tangent - I was rudely awakened by the sun rising this
morning. This naturally caused me great distress and misery; Who can I
sue for mental anguish caused by this?
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NauticusLX;170379 Wrote:
Seriously, I dont need to be receiving messages from friggin robot
servers in the middle of the friggin night!)If the only way to
avoid this is by pulling the plug every night, then so be it. I can
just put a switch on the cord to turn it off. I consider this
I think we are all missing something that the OP stated in one of his
posts a short time ago.
He indicated that he has a PC in his bedroom near the squeezebox but
that he has it hibernate at night.
I'm guessing that this same PC is the device that runs slimserver.
You've programmed your
How about this, modify your nightly routine to include laying a towel or
handkerchief over the SB3? If a girl sees you do it and asks about it
just tell her about the IR camera!
But seriously, I'll give you $50 for that annoying device...
TD
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ceejay wrote:
NauticusLX;170379 Wrote:
And the question remains, after all these posts (because you keep
beating around the bush):
Actually, I don't think anyone is beating around the bush, the answer
is quite simple and has been said several times. The SB never turns off
unless you unpower
moby_uk wrote:
On a bit of a tangent - I was rudely awakened by the sun rising this
morning. This naturally caused me great distress and misery; Who can I
sue for mental anguish caused by this?
God only knows.
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GoCubs;170563 Wrote:
Andy-
Not to get off topic on this very important thread, but doesn't the
standard Date/Time screensaver still refresh the display every second
regardless of if the seconds are being displayed?
-Greg
Yeah, but we use a modified DateTime plugin on SN that only
andyg;170565 Wrote:
Yeah, but we use a modified DateTime plugin on SN that only updates once
a minute.
Yeah I figured so much. Just thought some people reading the other
post might have thought it'd be a way to lessen their server load on
their local SS instance.
-Greg
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Trying not to jump on the sarcasm train...
It seems reasonable to me that:
1) Most people turn their home computers off when not in use, either to
save power or reduce noise at night. Those who have SlimServer running
24x7 are not typical home computer users, and SlimDevices should not
expect
On 1/15/07, CatBus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Trying not to jump on the sarcasm train...
...
You're a better person than I am, and I can appreciate that :)
In my opinion, SlimDevices COULD do something to improve this. If the
user has opted for a blank screensaver for off mode, then I think
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4670
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Wow. I've not ever read a thread on any other forum where such an
obviously flawed feature has been defended and excused to this
degree.
It doesn't matter that the Squeezebox has no off - that's not the
point. The point is that its small amount of firmware should have
enough code in it to
There's already a bug filed due to this thread:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=4672
I believe a lot of the tone of the reaction was triggered by the tone
of the original post. This completely overshadowed the fact that there
was a real substantive issue underneath the alarmism.
Ceejay, turning off the power itself is what Ill do. A practical
solution would be for the red button to be multi-purpose: press it to
put in stand-by, press and hold to turn it off. That seems like an
easy, win-win solution, I wonder if Slim Devices will take this
suggestion.
But I dont
Wait, this may be it. I was just experimenting with the remote for the
SB-3 and discovered that, while listening to music via SqueezeNetwork,
if I choose the Connect to SlimServer option from the main menu, this
logs me off SqueezeNetwork. And if I do this while my PC is off (and
therefore
And contrary to what some have argued, this is not a good design
I hope you didn't misunderstand my explanation as defence for the design.
I tried to explain what happened, so you can understand the situation and
fix it whatever way there is.
Mherger, you state: I've learned to sleep in
Wow.
Whatever it is you're taking, INCREASE THE DOSAGE.
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Perhaps this message is generated locally when your squeezebox doesn't
find the SqueezeNetworks server (assuming you're using that?). Besides,
how would the server notify you if it is down!? Perhaps you should turn
down the brightness or turn it away from your face when you sleep.
From where I'm
In short: Slim Devices -never- initiates a connection to your Squeezebox
to play or display anything. It isn't even possible to do that for most
people (odds are your Squeezebox has a non-routable IP, it must initiate
any connection to anything: the wonders of a $30 router).
The only servers
If you're connected to SN and there is an outage, your player will get
connected to a special server that displays that message. It's a
static server so you can't adjust the brightness. It also has no
knowledge if your player was previously 'off'. Perhaps I should redo
that message at a lower
NauticusLX;170227 Wrote:
its in a great place, close to the computer
?
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NauticusLX;170227 Wrote:
This is the stuff of lawsuits.
Damn right -- and good thing for you this was *after* the acquisition
by Logitech, because they'll have much deeper pockets to pick than some
little outfit in Mtn View
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If my Squeezebox was connected to SqueezeNetwork and I had an alarm set
for the next morning I would be damn pleased if that message woke me up
rather than not being woken up in the morning at all.
I'm still not sure if this post was a joke or not. If it wasn't then
this was the worst signal to
I think your post is great fun.
I am a fan of colorful posts like this.
I suspect you are smirking as you read these responses.
Don't forget to sue for pain and suffering in your lawsuit. ;)
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Now ,if DMHinCO is actually nauticusLX in disguise and he is
congratulating himselfthat would be even funnier
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Anyone who relies on SqueezeNetwork as their only alarm source is
probably asking for trouble. It's quite stable but there are no
guarantees. Not to mention the fact that your internet connection has
no guarantees either.
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totoro;170334 Wrote:
I woke up this morning, and my sb3 was displaying the messsage You must
kill and eat the neighbor's cat. So I did. Now I have a terrible
stomach-ache (probably soemthing to do with the 30 chilies in the
recipe the sb3 gave me) and my neighbor is angry. I will definitely
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