Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able
to use services like WiMP or spotify?
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Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able
to use services like WiMP or spotify?
No, all services still depend on mysb.com
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asplundj wrote:
Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able
to use services like WiMP or spotify?
Presumably you could test this by blocking mysqueezebox.com at your
router... (I'm assuming you have a Touch!).
Robert
mherger wrote:
Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be
able
to use services like WiMP or spotify?
No, all services still depend on mysb.com
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Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in,
but the official app would no
At the slimdevices update page, what are the files that end in .sha
suffix?
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Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in,
but the official app would no longer be available.
He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case Triode's
plugin isn't an option.
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At the slimdevices update page, what are the files that end in .sha
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It's a checksum file. It allows you to verify the validity of the file you
download. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1
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pippin wrote:
I believe almost all 3rd party Apps (except that one that was only a
wrapper around the MySB web interface) will work without MySB.
Well that sounds comforting, then we can have everything running till
our hardware dies.
Once it does, we can get ithingies running iPeng etc.
JJZolx wrote:
I'm probably forgetting a few things, but:
- much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a
pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC
- better S/PDIF, with lower jitter
- MUCH better audio syncing with other Squeezeboxes
- IR remote
Will there be a UE Touch?
Not the Touch as we know it.
So there will be a dumbed down Touch of some sort.
That's not what I said. I said there won't be a Touch as we know it. There
might be none. Or a dumber, or a smarter one, or anything. Basically: we
don't comment on future
Since for obvious reasons this thread has become even more interesting,
could you please add a list of good dockingstaions with SPDIF out?
So I guess for many out there it will be a good option to just buy an
iPod and a dockingstaion instead of a Touch in the future.
Or an iPod in a speakerdock
mherger wrote:
Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's
plug-in,
but the official app would no longer be available.
He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case
Triode's
plugin isn't an option.
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Ah, I understand now,
mherger wrote:
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So there -*will*- be an *it* then! ;)
Just kidding, I understand the constraint you are under and we all
really appreciate your candour and helpfulness in posting to this forum
and don't want to get you into trouble. I hope Logitech
benno wrote:
Any other test which I could do, when it hangs? Never heard of
portaudio before your post, so I don't know how to do it.
Portaudio is a cross platform API for playing and recording audio.
benno wrote:
Searched the settings of squeezeslave but didn't found any option which
Squeezemenicely wrote:
Since for obvious reasons this thread has become even more interesting,
could you please add a list of good dockingstaions with SPDIF out?
What format would that be in?
Obviously I haven't tested all the 1 gazillion iPod docks out there, we
only did extensive testing
Related question; will UE still scan and index your music collection or
will it be more like browsing your Music Folder under LMS?
It's the same index based collection.
If it does index, will you be able to set automatic indexing according
to a chosen time scale?
This option is no longer
pippin wrote:
(I believe it could get a bit lost among the threads here)?
Maybe in DIY ? Low volume sub-forum, the thread would stay easily afloat
I suppose.
After all, the thing would be a DIY player.
epoch1970's
I've been having similiar issues using the (not so) sirius plugin in
Canada since the 29th.
I've had to enabled repeat the current song on the player so that it
reconnects after the error.
I tried to login to my account on the web an got a tomcat error screen,
so Sirius appears to screwing
pippin wrote:
So the input would have to come from users. Would it make sense to have
a page on penguinlovesmusic.com where people can discuss and recommend
devices or should it be here on the forum (I believe it could get a bit
lost among the threads here)?
Sure maybe there should be an
Ok, I'll open one later today...
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JJZolx wrote:
I'm probably forgetting a few things, but:
- much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a
pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC
..
- a color display of what's playing
- very low energy use
Pretty much
Thanks Ralphy. Based on my investigation, I thought it was an error on
Sirius' end, but wanted to make sure I wasn't going insane. Well, I
might be going insane, but not about this :)
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Nor would Logitech likely be willing to sell the rights anyway, should
there be any such interested party.
Am I being dense, or have I missed something? Last time I checked,
Squeezebox Server was open source, and Slimproto was freely published.
If Logitech choose not to continue
I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this
dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs,
may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback:
PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and
Video
jimzak wrote:
I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this
dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs,
may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback:
PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality
TheLastMan wrote:
Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in,
but the official app would no longer be available.
The only other service available via a plug-in rather than an official
app (as far as I am aware) is BBC iPlayer, also created by Triode.
I don't
gruntwolla wrote:
Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos
does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would
ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they
still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos
nervoteso wrote:
the problem with sonos is that those devices have no display like touch
or radio or boom have
The other problem is the 65,000 file limit; this is a major issue for
me.
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garym wrote:
or
http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/170i/
http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/
I believe the only problem here is that this item doesn't charge the
iPad. Therefore, it could be used only until the iPad discharges. It
does charge the iPod however. Otherwise
cliveb wrote:
Am I being dense, or have I missed something? Last time I checked,
Squeezebox Server was open source, and Slimproto was freely published.
If Logitech choose not to continue development of the SB ecosystem,
what's to stop someone else picking it up and running with it?
In what
jimzak wrote:
The other problem is the 65,000 file limit; this is a major issue for
me.
I left Sonos out because most folks are aware of it as an alternative
already.
65.000 file limit? really? also for me!!! bye bye sonoswhich
alternative? i use a lot of services like lastfm and
nervoteso wrote:
65.000 file limit? really? also for me!!! bye bye sonoswhich
alternative? i use a lot of services like lastfm and deezer, also now
LMS is installed in nas qnap and i've all music stored in that nas
and that's the upper limit. Depending on the metadata in your tags, it
firedog wrote:
I had been planning on getting another one anyway so I could add another
room synched to my main stereo.
Yes, if MySB goes down, some features will be lost,
But, if i'm not mistaken, doesn't a Touch require communication with
mysqueezebox.com during
I use the mysb.com podcast app to access many podcasts I'm interested
in. Very nice because once the podcast RSS feed is entered once, the app
always shows the n latest podcasts for me to select and play. I was
curious about something similar in LMS *without* access to mysb.com.
Turns out to be
epoch1970 wrote:
I don't believe the Slim stuff is laced with patents, but without the
brand and a clear agreement with Logi I guess the adventure can't go
much further than a forked SBS in maintenance mode, and perhaps software
players.
Aren't the SBTouch and SBRadio, in effect, software
mitch...@gmail.com wrote:
Likewise. I'm more than happy to contribute financially to keep SB
maintenance going, if not new development. I'm a software engineer
professionally, so I'd also be willing to contribute that way as well,
if someone else is organizing things
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i also
dasmueller wrote:
Sorry. if it requires purchase of an Apple product I am not interested.
To be fair, there is an Android alternative:
1. Any Android device
2. Squeezebox playback app:
epoch1970 wrote:
Perhaps the same things that kept anybody from doing it when Logi was
still purportedly interested in the SB ?
Taking control of a large codebase is certainly difficult, but not
impossible.
OK, so there is no legal block to prevent a community forking SBS/LMS
and growing
I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this
dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs,
may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback:
PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and
Video
I was referring to the hardware players. Hardware sales paid for LMS
development and support. Take away the income stream, relying solely on
subscriptions to have/use LMS, and I think you will find a very small
percentage of willing contributors. If everything is open source,
players
Raspberry Pi et al.
I don't know. I don't want to own a super-duper
player in a sandwich box, if you see what I mean. If I was to use a non
real-time player I guess I would use iPeng. At least it wouldn't look
bad.
I care very much about sync, and I don't see how sync can be achieved
outside a
wom wrote:
A yearly fee of not more than 12 dollars seems reasonable if some
development is being done.
@DrFiles47: Up to 10 dollars a month is insane, there you could afford 1
or 2 decent subscriptions to online music services serving millions of
tracks :)
Some thoughts:
Yes, I would
It may not be an alternative now but i would keep an eye on Voco
(http://www.myvoco.com/), they use a modified SqueezeboxCenter (version
7.5.5 now) as a backend, offers some gears (but no screen) and are not
so pricey.
I saw that the V-zone has an hdmi out, maybe it will support multi
channel
terjehaa wrote:
But, if i'm not mistaken, doesn't a Touch require communication with
mysqueezebox.com during initial setup?
How do we initiate a new Touch if that site goes down?
Some one will solve that and I think you can left swipe that screen
and get out of it as it is now.
But if you
.. to keep the whole thing alice well. Streaming radio is not yet an
issue in South Africa - but in principle, I would love to see someone
with a bit more foresight the interests of the system at heart keep it
all up running. Well worth a small annual fee to help in that regard
Andrew
A microcomputer with Squeezeslave and a decent DAC seems to be the most
logical alternative. Maybe Raspberry Pi?
I just did a test on an old ATOM-powered laptop. Works fine, but the fan
is rather annoying. Remote control is easy with Android or iOS but I
think there might be a way to control it
*IF* it comes to a situation where -up-front- funding is needed to get
LMS maintained post-Logitech, perhaps there should be a 'Kickstarter'
(http://www.kickstarter.com/) fund going?
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I would pay $12 pa
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*IF* it comes to a situation where -up-front- funding is needed to get
LMS maintained post-Logitech, perhaps there should be a 'Kickstarter'
(http://www.kickstarter.com/) fund going?
+ 1. Plus a fund or in tandem with a Squeezeplay fund!
epoch1970 wrote:
Raspberry Pi et al.
I don't know. I don't want to own a super-duper
player in a sandwich box, if you see what I mean.
I agree entirely - the last thing we want in our living rooms is some
hideous-looking geekbox. But the point about using a Pi is that it would
be a purely
I agree entirely - the last thing we want in our living rooms is some
hideous-looking geekbox. But the point about using a Pi is that it would
be a purely digital transport and can be hidden away out of sight.
Precisely. Like the Duet receiver, you don't have to look at it, it can be
stuffed
erland wrote:
For people who are in the new target group, the move they did with UE
Smart Radio might be a big step in the right direction, but we don't
know that because we don't have a clue what their long term strategy
really is.
That's right. Who knows maybe this is a strategy to
toby10 wrote:
I think it is Logitech or nothing. It's a niche hardware product which
will not interest many as a business. Nor would Logitech likely be
willing to sell the rights anyway, should there be any such interested
party.
Wouldn't hurt to ask Logitech if it ever comes to that.
cliveb wrote:
I agree entirely - the last thing we want in our living rooms is some
hideous-looking geekbox. But the point about using a Pi is that it would
be a purely digital transport and can be hidden away out of sight. It
could be partnered with an attractive USB DAC. Come to think of
On the presumption that Logitech produces a Touch-like player under the
UE brand (standalone, unamplified, high sound quality, RCA analogue and
digital out, multi-room sync) there is nothing to stop anybody running
both the SB and UE systems side-by-side if necessary. Most amplifiers
have more
yes i would pay to make lms keep working including all the online
services
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i often listen to deezer, when mysqueezebox will be no more, how could i
do? maybe a new deezer plugin like the spotify one?
The plug-in replacement for streaming apps and internet radio would be
the preferred solution, provided somebody has the desire and expertise
to do the
Hi folks,
I think it's time to join the debate. I've named the thread Squeezebox
... and not LMS because I like to ignore Logitech's last renaming act.
First I was a kind of shocked from hearing the news, but now I ask you:
Do we really need Logitech? As far as I know Squeezebox Server was and
Another issue with SqueezePlay is that not all online services allow
streaming through it. I know Rhapsody UK (fka Napster) are one of those.
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truehl wrote:
First I was a kind of shocked from hearing the news, but now I ask you:
Do we really need Logitech?
No. But we need lead developers for SBS, and they happen to be working
for Logitech at the moment.
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source - client as well as server (incl.
plugins and remote control SW) and contributing to establishing a
development community, is
nervoteso wrote:
all the online services
Maybe a more realistic approach is to appeal to the profit incentive of
ONE online service to take over. Say, ask Rhapsody if it is interested
in managing mysqueezebox.com in return for it being the EXCLUSIVE online
service?
If Rhapsody calculates
Yeah, I have never bothered with MySB for podcasts. I just use a
Podcast submenu of my (local LMS) favorites and enter the feed URLs as
items there.
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Maybe a more realistic approach is to appeal to the profit incentive of
ONE online service to take over. Say, ask Rhapsody if it is interested
in managing mysqueezebox.com in return for it being the EXCLUSIVE online
service?
If Rhapsody calculates that it can keep and
IIRC you can just create a Favorites on the local LMS with the URL
file:// followed by the full file path (e.g.
file:///home/user/podcasts.opml). If the file has an OPML file
extension - it will be parsed as OPML.
bpa's
castalla wrote:
Why Rapsody? Guess because you use that. I don't, so I would be
totally against it. It's a bad business model.
I think that was just an example. As much as I'm against the idea of my
SB being tied to a particular service, I think mortslim is being a
realist and speculating
My view precisely.
The value is in the software, and there is plenty of cheap hardware on
which to run it.
My problem. I don't have the IT skills, so I look forward to being led
by the hand by the excellent techies in this place.
Do I need to download a particular set of files now, before they
BTHOEM wrote:
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source [...]
That is the least I would expect of a company the size of Logitech.
Why would they do that?
Maybe a more realistic approach to keeping mysqueezebox.com viable is to
appeal to the profit incentive of ONE online service to take over. Say,
ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com in return
for it being the EXCLUSIVE online service?
If Rhapsody calculates that it can
This is only a short hop away from seeing Rhapsody-branded players on
the shelves, manufactured by Logitech. Bear in mind Logitech (used to?)
make mice etc for Microsoft, so it's not an area that's alien to them.
I'd need to think about the pros and cons (to us as consumers) to your
idea, but my
Idealist or not, you'd never get agreement on just which service should
get exclusivity. Also, goes against the trend - all recent streaming
devices depend on a choice of services. In fact, imho, Logitech is way
ahead of any other services. They wouldn't sell any more devices if
they were tied
BTHOEM wrote:
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued
satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the
Squeezebox technology to Open Source - client as well as server (incl.
plugins and remote control SW) and contributing to establishing a
I applaud erland's (and other's) plans to keep SB alive post-Logitech,
but here's the most important immediate question: is there a forum or
other such site for SB to continue on if (when) Logitech pulls the plug
on this one? Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it
happen very
I'd be glad to pay. I'm paying $3/month to last.fm just so I can listen
to it over my Squeezeboxes, already. If I lose all access to music
services, I've lost all value of my boxes. I don't have thousands of
CD's ripped and ready to listen to via LMS, and I don't want to dedicate
a PC to leave
There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums.
I would be surprised if many in the management were reading these
forums.
Rest assured that the people that work on the Squeezebox infrastructure
are eager to keep it around and will advocate its long life.
routehero wrote:
There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums.
Are these forums not owned and controlled by Logitech?
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routehero wrote:
There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums.
I would be surprised if many in the management were reading these
forums.
Rest assured that the people that work on the Squeezebox infrastructure
are eager to keep it around and will advocate its long life.
Vilmann wrote:
A microcomputer with Squeezeslave and a decent DAC seems to be the most
logical alternative. Maybe Raspberry Pi?
I just did a test on an old ATOM-powered laptop. Works fine, but the fan
is rather annoying. Remote control is easy with Android or iOS but I
think there might be
jimzak wrote:
How about a small computer with SqueezePlay?
My question is how does one get the digital signal out to a DAC?
Is there such a small computer already with digital out?
USB out to DAC?
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pallfreeman wrote:
Who are you and how do you know this?
Just another bystander idly guessing, but I suppose the Administrator
designation (as opposed to our lowly Senior Member status) has
something to do with it. Also, past posts such as this one:
garym wrote:
USB out to DAC?
I found lots of USB out options including this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V6M0OU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p267_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=center-3pf_rd_r=0HDVE6QXPHG8THZ1TGESpf_rd_t=101pf_rd_p=470938811pf_rd_i=507846
Pricey but I guess it eliminates
jimzak wrote:
I found lots of USB out options including this one:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V6M0OU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p267_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=center-3pf_rd_r=0HDVE6QXPHG8THZ1TGESpf_rd_t=101pf_rd_p=470938811pf_rd_i=507846
Pricey but I guess it eliminates jitter.
You
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59298.html
I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit
for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well.
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/
castalla wrote:
They could also spend some money on advertising!
Where? What?
UE is an also-ran, much like the Revue.
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Just another bystander idly guessing, but I suppose the Administrator
designation (as opposed to our lowly Senior Member status) has
something to do with it. Also, past posts such as this one:
simbo wrote:
This is only a short hop away from seeing Rhapsody-branded players on
the shelves, manufactured by Logitech. Bear in mind Logitech (used to?)
make mice etc for Microsoft, so it's not an area that's alien to them.
I'd need to think about the pros and cons (to us as consumers)
garym wrote:
I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit
for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well.
Costs too much, and runs too hot.
Has to be something like the Apple TV 2.
garym wrote:
You don't have to have USB to spdif converter if you have a DAC that has
USB input. There are many of these around now.
Ok.
So the equation would be something like the following:
1. A mini PC with USB running SqueezePlay
2. A DAC with USB input
3. An amplifier or powered
I don't agree - there's a large potential market across Europe. People
just don't know about internet radio and streaming.
Most just struggle on with scratchy sound from their netbooks, etc.
I just gave an older Reciva radio to a friend - she was amazed at what
was available (and the Recivas
pallfreeman wrote:
Costs too much, and runs too hot.
Has to be something like the Apple TV 2.
I meant dedicated computer. Yes it is a bit pricy. Some use the
available heat sink (more money too!). The apple tv is not a server
that can run software (Im assuming).
Autonomics mirage
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garym wrote:
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59298.html
I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit
for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well.
http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/
I've been using one
Problematic from an international perspective too
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RonM wrote:
I've been using one as my music server for several years, without a
single problem of any sort. I don't understand the runs too hot
comment. Yes, it's warm, but that's because it's radiating all the
modest heat it produces through the heatsink cabinet. A unit with a fan
I know it's probably somewhat of a sore topic, but...
Does Google TV in any iteration have digital or HDMI outs AND is there a
Squeezebox app for this platform?
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I'd be willing to pay for ongoing development related to downloading the
latest version for various amounts of time. I.e. xxx$ for a year to
download the latest version and it keeps working (just like lms) if you
stop.
As I see it Squeeze really caters to 2 types of users, those who have
large
the nightfly wrote:
is there a forum or other such site for SB to continue on if (when)
Logitech pulls the plug on this one? Personally, I wouldn't be the least
bit surprised to see it happen very soon -- especially since I would
guess management would not be happy with the beating their
GoogleTV does not support the NDK, so it's very unlikely to see a player
software there. I tried hard, but failed to circumvent this limitation
with my SqueezePlayer App.
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As for hardware alternatives: look out for SheevaPlug and RaspberryPi on
this forum. Both are cheap, are fanless, powerful and have ready to run
builds with SqueezeSlave.
One probably would just need an extra casing for RaspberryPi (there are
some to buy out there) and then you'll have a device
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