Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify? asplundj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=53571 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify? No, all services still depend on mysb.com -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
asplundj wrote: Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify? Presumably you could test this by blocking mysqueezebox.com at your router... (I'm assuming you have a Touch!). Robert Grumpy Bob's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41857 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
mherger wrote: Would TinyLMS in the touch work without mysb.com? Would I then be able to use services like WiMP or spotify? No, all services still depend on mysb.com -- Michael Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official app would no longer be available. The only other service available via a plug-in rather than an official app (as far as I am aware) is BBC iPlayer, also created by Triode. I don't see WiMP on the list of apps in the UK. I presume it is only available regionally to SE, DK, NO and DE? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
At the slimdevices update page, what are the files that end in .sha suffix? firedog's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11550 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official app would no longer be available. He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case Triode's plugin isn't an option. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
At the slimdevices update page, what are the files that end in .sha suffix? It's a checksum file. It allows you to verify the validity of the file you download. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHA-1 -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
pippin wrote: I believe almost all 3rd party Apps (except that one that was only a wrapper around the MySB web interface) will work without MySB. Well that sounds comforting, then we can have everything running till our hardware dies. Once it does, we can get ithingies running iPeng etc. Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
JJZolx wrote: I'm probably forgetting a few things, but: - much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC - better S/PDIF, with lower jitter - MUCH better audio syncing with other Squeezeboxes - IR remote control giving instant ability to skip, repeat, shuffle, change volume, as well select music, without a need for a smart phone, tablet or other wifi device - touch control, with no need to even find the remote - a color display of what's playing - very low energy use You can get some of this functionality with a PC and smart phone or other wifi device, but it _requires_ using the wifi device. IMHO the Touch was the epitome of Squeezebox and its most usable product with its four possible interfaces (screen, remote, smartphone/pad or PC). I imagine Logitech will want to use most, if not all, of the above features in a new UE player. Logitech's Michael Herger made the recent comment in a reply in the Radio forum: mherger wrote: Squeezemenicely wrote: Will there be a UE Touch? Not the Touch as we know it. -- Michael So there will be a dumbed down Touch of some sort. How good it is depends on how much of your list they retain. I think they are gunning for Sonos with this kit. Simple to set up and use, less complex and more reliable than Squeezebox but with a lot less functionality. Random play and the like will depend on the various apps and services. It may be possible for a lot of the old SB / LMS functionality to be made available via special apps or hacks once the old SB plug-ins team get to work ;) TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
Will there be a UE Touch? Not the Touch as we know it. So there will be a dumbed down Touch of some sort. That's not what I said. I said there won't be a Touch as we know it. There might be none. Or a dumber, or a smarter one, or anything. Basically: we don't comment on future products. It'll be what it'll be. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad
Since for obvious reasons this thread has become even more interesting, could you please add a list of good dockingstaions with SPDIF out? So I guess for many out there it will be a good option to just buy an iPod and a dockingstaion instead of a Touch in the future. Or an iPod in a speakerdock instead of a boom or radio. I already have seen that you are using the Pure-i Dock for the iPod, that has a spdif out , but is a bit of an overkill, since it also has an inbuilt DAC. So what people with an external DAC without USB need, is a simple dock with SPDIF out. I just now for the first time played around with my iPad iPengHD and controlled music on my iPhone - something that had not really come to my mind before. It works, so Squeezebox is dead - long live the Squeezebox (through our developers her at the board) Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
mherger wrote: Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official app would no longer be available. He was asking about TinyLMS (embedded on SB Touch). In this case Triode's plugin isn't an option. -- Michael Ah, I understand now, thanks. Related question; will UE still scan and index your music collection or will it be more like browsing your Music Folder under LMS? If it does index, will you be able to set automatic indexing according to a chosen time scale? TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
mherger wrote: It'll be what it'll be. -- Michael So there -*will*- be an *it* then! ;) Just kidding, I understand the constraint you are under and we all really appreciate your candour and helpfulness in posting to this forum and don't want to get you into trouble. I hope Logitech appreciate your efforts and make it worth your while sticking around. Thanks! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] [ANNOUNCE] Squeezeslave: 1.2 released
benno wrote: Any other test which I could do, when it hangs? Never heard of portaudio before your post, so I don't know how to do it. Portaudio is a cross platform API for playing and recording audio. benno wrote: Searched the settings of squeezeslave but didn't found any option which seems to set the sample-rate, so, no I haven't modiefied it. How can I do this? It's not an easy task. squeezeslave is mostly hard coded to use 44100. benno wrote: Now yet, but since today Trunk-376 is in testing. report will follow... Thx Benno Great! It's best to build for your OS. See how it works and report back if it stills hangs. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=93607 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad
Squeezemenicely wrote: Since for obvious reasons this thread has become even more interesting, could you please add a list of good dockingstaions with SPDIF out? What format would that be in? Obviously I haven't tested all the 1 gazillion iPod docks out there, we only did extensive testing with the Camera Connection Kit and the Pure i-20. So the input would have to come from users. Would it make sense to have a page on penguinlovesmusic.com where people can discuss and recommend devices or should it be here on the forum (I believe it could get a bit lost among the threads here)? pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
Related question; will UE still scan and index your music collection or will it be more like browsing your Music Folder under LMS? It's the same index based collection. If it does index, will you be able to set automatic indexing according to a chosen time scale? This option is no longer part of ueml. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad
pippin wrote: (I believe it could get a bit lost among the threads here)? Maybe in DIY ? Low volume sub-forum, the thread would stay easily afloat I suppose. After all, the thing would be a DIY player. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] HTTP/1.0 401 Unauthorized when listening to Sirius
I've been having similiar issues using the (not so) sirius plugin in Canada since the 29th. I've had to enabled repeat the current song on the player so that it reconnects after the error. I tried to login to my account on the web an got a tomcat error screen, so Sirius appears to screwing around with someth ing. Haven't called them yet. ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96273 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad
pippin wrote: So the input would have to come from users. Would it make sense to have a page on penguinlovesmusic.com where people can discuss and recommend devices or should it be here on the forum (I believe it could get a bit lost among the threads here)? Sure maybe there should be an extra thread here - Dock tested with iPeng and once in a while you could copy the info to your website. I had a search there are not that many Docks with a SPDIF Output out there and some can be pretty expensive. I am sure this info will be very usefull, should users want to enlarge their SB collection or one of their babies dies. Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad
Ok, I'll open one later today... pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96037 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players
JJZolx wrote: I'm probably forgetting a few things, but: - much better sound quality than a PC's onboard audio, without a pressing need for an external S/PDIF or USB DAC .. - a color display of what's playing - very low energy use Pretty much turn key installation which is worth a few bucks for those who don't have the time, interest or knowledge to DIY. The old receiver was built on a dead end HW platform that couldn't hack it anymore. By replacing the SB3 and the receiver with a single product, economies of scale came into play. Two different products (one with and one without display) would have led to higher development costs and they might have had to sell the displayless at a lower margin (no big difference in production and material cost but the market would have expected a significantly lower price). alfista's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32396 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96208 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] HTTP/1.0 401 Unauthorized when listening to Sirius
Thanks Ralphy. Based on my investigation, I thought it was an error on Sirius' end, but wanted to make sure I wasn't going insane. Well, I might be going insane, but not about this :) tebrown's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96273 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
toby10 wrote: Nor would Logitech likely be willing to sell the rights anyway, should there be any such interested party. Am I being dense, or have I missed something? Last time I checked, Squeezebox Server was open source, and Slimproto was freely published. If Logitech choose not to continue development of the SB ecosystem, what's to stop someone else picking it up and running with it? In what way would anyone need to purchase the rights from Logitech? (Maybe recent versions of LMS include non-open source components? If so, it is easy to backtrack to the last fully open source SBS and progress from there). cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs, may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback: PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and Video Output http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049MOK92/?tag=hyprod-20hvadid=15475785219hvpos=1o1hvexid=hvnetw=ghvrand=2052636071799186202hvpone=hvptwo=hvqmt=ref=asc_df_B0049MOK92 jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs, may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback: PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and Video Output http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049MOK92/?tag=hyprod-20hvadid=15475785219hvpos=1o1hvexid=hvnetw=ghvrand=2052636071799186202hvpone=hvptwo=hvqmt=ref=asc_df_B0049MOK92 or http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/170i/ http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/ garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
TheLastMan wrote: Minor correction, you could use Spotify (Premium) with Triode's plug-in, but the official app would no longer be available. The only other service available via a plug-in rather than an official app (as far as I am aware) is BBC iPlayer, also created by Triode. I don't see WiMP on the list of apps in the UK. I presume it is only available regionally to SE, DK, NO and DE? i often listen to deezer, when mysqueezebox will be no more, how could i do? maybe a new deezer plugin like the spotify one? nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
gruntwolla wrote: Any reason why you're discounting Sonos? From my perspective, Sonos does everything that I need, albeit at a higher price than I would ideally like. I could probably sell my various squeezeboxes whilst they still have some market value for enough to start a 2 zone Sonos system. It's not a scenario I'm entirely happy with, as my squeezebox system is working perfectly, but I guess we're all in the same boat from that point of view. Trev the problem with sonos is that those devices have no display like touch or radio or boom have nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
nervoteso wrote: the problem with sonos is that those devices have no display like touch or radio or boom have The other problem is the 65,000 file limit; this is a major issue for me. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
garym wrote: or http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/170i/ http://www.wadia.com/products/transports/171i/ I believe the only problem here is that this item doesn't charge the iPad. Therefore, it could be used only until the iPad discharges. It does charge the iPod however. Otherwise looks good but pricey. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
cliveb wrote: Am I being dense, or have I missed something? Last time I checked, Squeezebox Server was open source, and Slimproto was freely published. If Logitech choose not to continue development of the SB ecosystem, what's to stop someone else picking it up and running with it? In what way would anyone need to purchase the rights from Logitech? (Maybe recent versions of LMS include non-open source components? If so, it is easy to backtrack to the last fully open source SBS and progress from there). Perhaps the same things that stopped anybody doing it when Logi was still purportedly interested in the SB ? Taking control of a large codebase is certainly difficult, but not impossible. The problem is, what happens if you start this huge effort, and the historical inventor of a tech wakes up and decides to compete ? Most likely, you're dead because you're not yet better at it, plus you're not as legitimate to the average customer. Remember pippin's semi-sour comments when Logi ushered the free controller app, as an example. A kill was definitely possible, although iPeng was far from being without merit nor legitimacy. I don't believe the Slim stuff is laced with patents, but without the brand and a clear agreement with Logi I guess the adventure can't go much further than a forked SBS in maintenance mode, and perhaps software players. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: The other problem is the 65,000 file limit; this is a major issue for me. I left Sonos out because most folks are aware of it as an alternative already. 65.000 file limit? really? also for me!!! bye bye sonoswhich alternative? i use a lot of services like lastfm and deezer, also now LMS is installed in nas qnap and i've all music stored in that nas nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
nervoteso wrote: 65.000 file limit? really? also for me!!! bye bye sonoswhich alternative? i use a lot of services like lastfm and deezer, also now LMS is installed in nas qnap and i've all music stored in that nas and that's the upper limit. Depending on the metadata in your tags, it could be much fewer than 65k. Problem for me as well. Also note 16/44.1 files only (although I have very little 24/96 or 24/192 myself, so not a problem for me). Also, a closed system (no 3rd party plugins). And has Pippin has pointed out, other than producing new hardware products, Sonos has done nothing to update/improve their software in years. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
firedog wrote: I had been planning on getting another one anyway so I could add another room synched to my main stereo. Yes, if MySB goes down, some features will be lost, But, if i'm not mistaken, doesn't a Touch require communication with mysqueezebox.com during initial setup? How do we initiate a new Touch if that site goes down? terjehaa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17451 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Creating Automatic Podcast listing without mysqueezebox.com podcast app
I use the mysb.com podcast app to access many podcasts I'm interested in. Very nice because once the podcast RSS feed is entered once, the app always shows the n latest podcasts for me to select and play. I was curious about something similar in LMS *without* access to mysb.com. Turns out to be simple. 1. On your mysqueezebox.com account webpage, select my apps, then podcasts. At the bottom of your podcast listings there is an option to listen as opml. Select this and it will save the file to your computer. If it saves the file as podcasts.opml.xml rename the file podcasts.opml. Put this file somewhere on your local computer or anywhere the computer running LMS can access (dropbox, etc.). I actually keep this on a bit of free webspace provided by my internet provider so I can access it anywhere...I do the same with my favorites.opml). 2. In LMS, go to webGUI, click on FAVORITES, click the little pencil next to FAVORITES to get into edit mode. At bottom of list add a new favorite, which is the location of the podcasts.opml file on your system. Give it a name (Gary's Podcasts), then save/add. When I select this favorite in LMS, I see a list of all my podcasts (e.g., Sound Opinions, This American Life, Science Friday). If I select one of the podcasts then I see a list of available shows (newest first). If I select a show, it begins to play. And in the future, to add a new podcast, I just edit the podcasts.opml file with a text editor and paste in the new line (for the new podcast subscription). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: I don't believe the Slim stuff is laced with patents, but without the brand and a clear agreement with Logi I guess the adventure can't go much further than a forked SBS in maintenance mode, and perhaps software players. Aren't the SBTouch and SBRadio, in effect, software players? Personally, with the right leadership, I can imagine a small but self sustaining community built around a fork of LMS and a good recipe for reasonably priced home brew hardware + squeezeslave / squeezeplay. With improvements in the tune-in URL UI, perhaps a community maintained on-line db of streaming sources and 3rd party plugins for Pandora, Spotify, etc., we might even end up not missing MySB.com that much. Certainly, there are many ways in which LMS fails to meet my needs (browse by composer, anyone?) and I'm sure that's true for others as well. If such a community was to coalesce, I'd hope that it would push LMS development forward and not just keep the code under a glass dome in maintaince mode. gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
mitch...@gmail.com wrote: Likewise. I'm more than happy to contribute financially to keep SB maintenance going, if not new development. I'm a software engineer professionally, so I'd also be willing to contribute that way as well, if someone else is organizing things [/color] i also would be happy to contribute financially to keep SB maintenance nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
dasmueller wrote: Sorry. if it requires purchase of an Apple product I am not interested. To be fair, there is an Android alternative: 1. Any Android device 2. Squeezebox playback app: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?87364-ANNOUNCE-Music-Playback-now-on-ANDROID!-SqueezePlayer-released-to-the-market 3. Appropriate dock for that Android device 4. Amplified speakers or component audio system For example: 1. Galaxy Tab 10.1 2. Squeezeplayer 3. Samsung dock for Galaxy Tab 10.1: http://www.qvc.com/qvc.product.E259394.html?item=E259394ref=GAStpl=detailcm_ven=GOOGLESHOPPINGFEEDcm_cat=Electronicscm_pla=Computerscm_ite=E259394-000-000adtype=pla 4. Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/M-Audio-Studiophile-Powered-Monitor-Speakers/dp/B0051WAM64/ref=sr_1_8?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1346684467sr=1-8keywords=amplified+speakers Galaxy Tab 10.1 refurb ~250 USD, Squeezeplayer 5 USD, Dock 19 USD, Speakers ~130 USD = nice, small system with big display and no Apple stuff. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: Perhaps the same things that kept anybody from doing it when Logi was still purportedly interested in the SB ? Taking control of a large codebase is certainly difficult, but not impossible. OK, so there is no legal block to prevent a community forking SBS/LMS and growing from there - the basic issue is simply the scale of the effort involved. There are examples of community efforts delivering complex systems successfully - MythTV being an obvious example that springs to mind. Regarding player hardware, I see someone has already got Squeezeplay running on Raspberry Pi. Partner that with a suitable USB DAC for a high quality playback device. Some enterprising outfit could package it up in an attractive enclosure to satisfy those who don't want to build their own. Seems to me that a combination of Vortexbox applicance, Pi-based players and iOS/Android controllers is all we need. (But I speak as a non-user of mysb.com - I do appreciate that some SB users depend on that service). cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I've heard/read that HDMI may not be ideal in some ways, therefore this dock which has a DAC but can be bypassed via 2 digital non-HDMI outputs, may be a great Touch sub when combined with an iPod and iPeng playback: PURE i-20 Digital Dock for iPod/iPhone with Hi-Fi Quality Audio and Video Output http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049MOK92/?tag=hyprod-20hvadid=15475785219hvpos=1o1hvexid=hvnetw=ghvrand=2052636071799186202hvpone=hvptwo=hvqmt=ref=asc_df_B0049MOK92 Wow, it sure seems like that gizmo plus a spare iPod Touch running iPeng gives you pretty much what we got from the now discontinued Touch, and for more or less the same price (plus you get a free iPod Touch this way). The creativity and enthusiasm of this community never stops amazing me. I'm planning on getting an iPhone later this year and for sure iPeng will be the first app I purchase. SBB ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
I was referring to the hardware players. Hardware sales paid for LMS development and support. Take away the income stream, relying solely on subscriptions to have/use LMS, and I think you will find a very small percentage of willing contributors. If everything is open source, players software, there is little incentive to voluntarily pay for such items. Add in the very small amount you could charge those few contributors and the problem magnifies itself. I've seen a number of posts moaning over paying $10 for a lifetime use of the great iPeng app. That would be a large chunk of your customer base. ;) toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Raspberry Pi et al. I don't know. I don't want to own a super-duper player in a sandwich box, if you see what I mean. If I was to use a non real-time player I guess I would use iPeng. At least it wouldn't look bad. I care very much about sync, and I don't see how sync can be achieved outside a deterministic, hence probably dedicated, platform. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
wom wrote: A yearly fee of not more than 12 dollars seems reasonable if some development is being done. @DrFiles47: Up to 10 dollars a month is insane, there you could afford 1 or 2 decent subscriptions to online music services serving millions of tracks :) Some thoughts: Yes, I would totally agree any monthly charge (unless it's $1.00) is a no go for me. No more than $12.00/year or a one time fee might be o.k. IMO. If something like this was implemented I feel the price of current hardware would have to be MUCH lower than the current retail prices. I feel that the initial cost of hardware justifies no server charges. For example, if the Touch was continued retail prices remained the same their became some software fee the Touch would have to be upgraded (improved PSU, improved outputs, more outputs?, improved screen?, etc.) to handle ALL bit sample rates possibly have the ability to have easy hardware upgradability (instant App availability as soon as they hit the market amongst other things, etc.) if improved components become available (e.g. DAC, output modules, etc.) - like the Schiit DAC philosophy. If the Touch continued to sale as is in its current configurations there was a server charge than the retail price IMO should be cut (possibly as much as 50%). People have paid a premium for the hardware to have supported server software. SBT2010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40712 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
It may not be an alternative now but i would keep an eye on Voco (http://www.myvoco.com/), they use a modified SqueezeboxCenter (version 7.5.5 now) as a backend, offers some gears (but no screen) and are not so pricey. I saw that the V-zone has an hdmi out, maybe it will support multi channel audio in the future, that would be nice ! giantpopples's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42798 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
terjehaa wrote: But, if i'm not mistaken, doesn't a Touch require communication with mysqueezebox.com during initial setup? How do we initiate a new Touch if that site goes down? Some one will solve that and I think you can left swipe that screen and get out of it as it is now. But if you buy a spare now, pack it up start it up register it and upgrade and connect to your local LMS ,then box it again :) I have not done so yet with my spare , thinking of keeping it pristine to help out if some one has an idea on how this should be done in a bombproof way. Or maybe given time I make some experiments myself and note whats happening . Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
.. to keep the whole thing alice well. Streaming radio is not yet an issue in South Africa - but in principle, I would love to see someone with a bit more foresight the interests of the system at heart keep it all up running. Well worth a small annual fee to help in that regard Andrew sherington's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
A microcomputer with Squeezeslave and a decent DAC seems to be the most logical alternative. Maybe Raspberry Pi? I just did a test on an old ATOM-powered laptop. Works fine, but the fan is rather annoying. Remote control is easy with Android or iOS but I think there might be a way to control it through IR. There's even a display option - whick I didn't check out. All competitors seems to be either way to expensive or way too complicated to handle on a daily basis. No, I dont want to convert my music to some other format. No, I dont trust your hardware - you do the hifi stuff, I do the computers. No, I don't need a 10K DAC to listen to internet radio. Vilmann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=57071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
*IF* it comes to a situation where -up-front- funding is needed to get LMS maintained post-Logitech, perhaps there should be a 'Kickstarter' (http://www.kickstarter.com/) fund going? simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
I would pay $12 pa adamdea's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
simbo wrote: *IF* it comes to a situation where -up-front- funding is needed to get LMS maintained post-Logitech, perhaps there should be a 'Kickstarter' (http://www.kickstarter.com/) fund going? + 1. Plus a fund or in tandem with a Squeezeplay fund! SBT2010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40712 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
epoch1970 wrote: Raspberry Pi et al. I don't know. I don't want to own a super-duper player in a sandwich box, if you see what I mean. I agree entirely - the last thing we want in our living rooms is some hideous-looking geekbox. But the point about using a Pi is that it would be a purely digital transport and can be hidden away out of sight. It could be partnered with an attractive USB DAC. Come to think of it, even the DAC needn't be on show. epoch1970 wrote: I care very much about sync, and I don't see how sync can be achieved outside a deterministic, hence probably dedicated, platform. Of course sync has to work. Are you saying that sync doesn't work well in Squeezeplay? I thought that a SB Touch was essentially Squeezeplay running on a Linux device. And Pi is a Linux device, too - so in principle why should it be any different? cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
I agree entirely - the last thing we want in our living rooms is some hideous-looking geekbox. But the point about using a Pi is that it would be a purely digital transport and can be hidden away out of sight. Precisely. Like the Duet receiver, you don't have to look at it, it can be stuffed in a closet or tossed behind your amp. No fan, very minimal electricity draw. But yes, a bit geeky to get up and running -- not just plug and play out of the box, and the fact that it currently doesn't do Wifi out of the box is yet another downside. (On the other hand, it costs $35. I have an amp in a closet feeding my outdoor speakers, currently driven by a Duet receiver. If that guy dies, I'd look at hacking together a Raspberry Pi as a replacement, and I'm kind of interested in playing around with one even now just to see what's involved.) SBB ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
erland wrote: For people who are in the new target group, the move they did with UE Smart Radio might be a big step in the right direction, but we don't know that because we don't have a clue what their long term strategy really is. That's right. Who knows maybe this is a strategy to bring more people into the SB community. That is, offer a dumbed down product - to give people a taste, practice knowledge of the existence of such a product via ease of use. Then later rebuild to beyond the current capabilities of SB, but with a branded name that Logictech might consider more publicly friendly /or to establish this new direction. SBT2010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40712 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
toby10 wrote: I think it is Logitech or nothing. It's a niche hardware product which will not interest many as a business. Nor would Logitech likely be willing to sell the rights anyway, should there be any such interested party. Wouldn't hurt to ask Logitech if it ever comes to that. SBT2010's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=40712 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
cliveb wrote: I agree entirely - the last thing we want in our living rooms is some hideous-looking geekbox. But the point about using a Pi is that it would be a purely digital transport and can be hidden away out of sight. It could be partnered with an attractive USB DAC. Come to think of it, even the DAC needn't be on show. Of course sync has to work. Are you saying that sync doesn't work well in Squeezeplay? I thought that a SB Touch was essentially Squeezeplay running on a Linux device. And Pi is a Linux device, too - so in principle why should it be any different? There is also squeezeos Logitech have a very good controll on exactly what's going on in thier Linux distro and also the drivers for the chips , this makes things much more deterministic . SqueePlay on pc does not sync very well in all possible hardware combinations re sound hardware and OS quirks ? But you probably can get the Pi+Linux+squeezplay combo fairly deterministic too if you controll all parts , possible problems may be the pi's audio hardware who knows if it can be deterministic re delays/lag with any driver or OS ? If you lock such a combo as sync ready you may still need to tweak some LMS code to make it work . Looks like a challenge for some third party dev :) not impossible but some work . It may get easier if you only use said raspberry PI player and no other kind of player Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?
On the presumption that Logitech produces a Touch-like player under the UE brand (standalone, unamplified, high sound quality, RCA analogue and digital out, multi-room sync) there is nothing to stop anybody running both the SB and UE systems side-by-side if necessary. Most amplifiers have more than one aux input! If you wanted to listen to internet radio or streaming services you could use the UE. If you wanted to random play from selected genres in a local music collection you could use your Squeezboxen. That is really no different from having a separate Tuner and CD player. A bit of step backwards, but not terminal. The situation with the Radio is, of course, rather different. Personally I don't own one but would probably be happy to make do with the UE version if I did. I reckon anyway that before my Squeezeboxen expire, either UE will have developed into a system almost as capable as LMS, or another company will step into the niche vacated by Logitech. Just my humble opinion of course... TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96191 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
yes i would pay to make lms keep working including all the online services nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] What features will no longer work if mysqueezebox.com is shut down?
nervoteso wrote: i often listen to deezer, when mysqueezebox will be no more, how could i do? maybe a new deezer plugin like the spotify one? The plug-in replacement for streaming apps and internet radio would be the preferred solution, provided somebody has the desire and expertise to do the work. Personally I doubt this will happen. Most people with the expertise could probably command high financial rewards for doing that kind of work, and I doubt they would be prepared to put too much time in for free. This is serious stuff, a lot more than hobby computing. I would be very happy to be proved wrong though! TheLastMan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16021 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96207 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
Hi folks, I think it's time to join the debate. I've named the thread Squeezebox ... and not LMS because I like to ignore Logitech's last renaming act. First I was a kind of shocked from hearing the news, but now I ask you: Do we really need Logitech? As far as I know Squeezebox Server was and still is open source?! Only the firmware is not open source.So we still have a great server product and it should be possible to maintain and further develope this great product by a community. So we need players and remote controls. Remote controls are not a problem at all iPeng is the best remote control for a music server I've ever seen! There are other remote controls for nearly any platform. Are there still people without smartphones or tablets? So we need players. We have software players like SqueezeSlave and SqueezePlay. So we need Hardware for Server and Player. What about Raspberry Pi? Raspberry Pi is a very cheep hardware platform which can be use as a Squeezebox Server and a player and if you like you can run server and player on only one device! This device costs only 35 $. All these products have nothing to do with Logitech. So we are ready to go, aren't we? To be serious, there is still something to do to run this setup as a 100% replacement of the existing players, but we are very close to this. It's all up and running in my SqueezePlug project and meantime I'm working on a completely new version with very good effort. One open thing is to find a replacement for the sluggish internal sound card if you need analogue or spdif sound-output. HDMI output already work great! So take a look at www.squeezeplug.de, and if you like join my project and help to keep Squeezebox alive!!! truehl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34265 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Calling Sean Adams?
Another issue with SqueezePlay is that not all online services allow streaming through it. I know Rhapsody UK (fka Napster) are one of those. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96213 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
truehl wrote: First I was a kind of shocked from hearing the news, but now I ask you: Do we really need Logitech? No. But we need lead developers for SBS, and they happen to be working for Logitech at the moment. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the Squeezebox technology to Open Source - client as well as server (incl. plugins and remote control SW) and contributing to establishing a development community, is the least I would expect of a company the size of Logitech. I am a bit surprised that there is no mention of such in the announcement. Bjørn Tore Hoem BTHOEM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42479 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
nervoteso wrote: all the online services Maybe a more realistic approach is to appeal to the profit incentive of ONE online service to take over. Say, ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com in return for it being the EXCLUSIVE online service? If Rhapsody calculates that it can keep and grow more subscriptions than its costs of maintaining mysqueezebox.com, then Rhapsody might be interested. In fact, Logitech should consider a partnership with Rhapsody before throwing the baby out with the bathwater (whatever that means). mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Creating Automatic Podcast listing without mysqueezebox.com podcast app
Yeah, I have never bothered with MySB for podcasts. I just use a Podcast submenu of my (local LMS) favorites and enter the feed URLs as items there. bwaldron's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1073 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
mortslim wrote: Maybe a more realistic approach is to appeal to the profit incentive of ONE online service to take over. Say, ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com in return for it being the EXCLUSIVE online service? If Rhapsody calculates that it can keep and grow more subscriptions than its costs of maintaining mysqueezebox.com, then Rhapsody might be interested. In fact, Logitech should consider a partnership with Rhapsody before throwing the baby out with the bathwater (whatever that means). Why Rapsody? Guess because you use that. I don't, so I would be totally against it. It's a bad business model. castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Creating Automatic Podcast listing without mysqueezebox.com podcast app
IIRC you can just create a Favorites on the local LMS with the URL file:// followed by the full file path (e.g. file:///home/user/podcasts.opml). If the file has an OPML file extension - it will be parsed as OPML. bpa's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1806 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96280 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
castalla wrote: Why Rapsody? Guess because you use that. I don't, so I would be totally against it. It's a bad business model. I think that was just an example. As much as I'm against the idea of my SB being tied to a particular service, I think mortslim is being a realist and speculating on financially viable options. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
My view precisely. The value is in the software, and there is plenty of cheap hardware on which to run it. My problem. I don't have the IT skills, so I look forward to being led by the hand by the excellent techies in this place. Do I need to download a particular set of files now, before they disappear, or will the useful files always be available in some open repository? Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
BTHOEM wrote: The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the Squeezebox technology to Open Source [...] That is the least I would expect of a company the size of Logitech. Why would they do that? They're a company not a charity. What's in it for them? I doubt they want competition for their newly-branded UE outfit from a technology they used to control. Anyway, much of the SB technology is already open source anyway, and many of the remaining proprietary parts are licensed to them. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[slim] ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com
Maybe a more realistic approach to keeping mysqueezebox.com viable is to appeal to the profit incentive of ONE online service to take over. Say, ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com in return for it being the EXCLUSIVE online service? If Rhapsody calculates that it can keep and grow more subscriptions than its costs of maintaining mysqueezebox.com, then Rhapsody might be interested. In fact, Logitech should consider a partnership with Rhapsody before throwing the baby out with the bathwater (whatever that means). This may be more practical than asking users to donate to an ongoing operation. Who would do the billing and accounting? Who would do the software updates? Who would interface with the online services as API's evolve? Who would protect the intellectual property of the online services? It would really be asking for volunteers which is not viable for an ongoing dependable service. On another thread there was a discussion about Logitech selling mysqueezebox.com and LMS (Logitech Media Server), but it might be more practical for Logitech to PARTNER with an online service. A partnership keeps Logitech's options open in case it evolves its squeezebox product line into new directions or back into the old model in the future. Logitech would be able to hedge its bets while offloading to Rhapsody, for example, the day-to-day maintenance responsibilities. mortslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11039 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96284 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com
This is only a short hop away from seeing Rhapsody-branded players on the shelves, manufactured by Logitech. Bear in mind Logitech (used to?) make mice etc for Microsoft, so it's not an area that's alien to them. I'd need to think about the pros and cons (to us as consumers) to your idea, but my knee-jerk feeling is a negative one - I don't like the idea of being tied into a single online service, especially as it's an emerging area that still has a lot of potential for growth and innovation. simbo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11481 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96284 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
Idealist or not, you'd never get agreement on just which service should get exclusivity. Also, goes against the trend - all recent streaming devices depend on a choice of services. In fact, imho, Logitech is way ahead of any other services. They wouldn't sell any more devices if they were tied to just one service. In fact, I doubt that selling devices on the basis of a sub. system would prove popular either, certainly not outside the US where there's a fierce culture of nothing comes for free - in Europe there's less enthusiasm for paying for something twice - once through taxes or endess adverts, and twice through a subscription. They could try selling their devices in Europe at cheaper prices - the same radio is 112 GBP vs. a dollar equivalent of 92 GBP. In Spain the cost is 167 euros vs. a dollar equivalent of 116 euros. They could also spend some money on advertising! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
BTHOEM wrote: The decent thing of Logitech to do, would be to secure the continued satisfaction of their Squeezebox customer base by submitting the Squeezebox technology to Open Source - client as well as server (incl. plugins and remote control SW) and contributing to establishing a development community. I believe the things that can be open source already is. The parts that aren't open source can't be because the third parties that owns them doesn't allow Logitech to let anybody else redistribute them. The Logitech logotypes and other graphics is not redistributable but it's pretty obvious why Logitech doesn't want anybody else to redistribute software with a Logitech logotype or Logitech graphics. The only thing that isn't open sourced that possibly could be is the Android and iOS controllers, but those aren't worth anything anyway as there are third party iOS and Android controller apps already that are a lot better than the Logitech apps. mysqueezebox.com can't be open source because it contains API access code from streaming providers which Logitech isn't allowed to show to third parties. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
I applaud erland's (and other's) plans to keep SB alive post-Logitech, but here's the most important immediate question: is there a forum or other such site for SB to continue on if (when) Logitech pulls the plug on this one? Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it happen very soon -- especially since I would guess management would not be happy with the beating their company is receiving in the comments here, nor in information about how to keep and perpetuate the old system instead of us all rushing out and buying Ultimate Ears Smart Radios of our very own. I'm not aware of any venue that people could flock to should Logitech shut this one down. If there isn't one, I could look into setting up a mailing list for that purpose (at least as a backup option), but that won't be necessary if a web forum or mailing list already exists. If so, could you post the relevant information so I can start preparing my post-Logitech life raft? the nightfly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
I'd be glad to pay. I'm paying $3/month to last.fm just so I can listen to it over my Squeezeboxes, already. If I lose all access to music services, I've lost all value of my boxes. I don't have thousands of CD's ripped and ready to listen to via LMS, and I don't want to dedicate a PC to leave on full-time, especially if I still wouldn't be able to access last.fm, Slacker, Pandora and others. (It really seems funny to me to read here how many users have thousands of CD's ripped, but then they aren't willing to pay less than the cost of one CD per year to support the service. Odd priorities!) kc5f's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19652 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums. I would be surprised if many in the management were reading these forums. Rest assured that the people that work on the Squeezebox infrastructure are eager to keep it around and will advocate its long life. routehero's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
routehero wrote: There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums. Are these forums not owned and controlled by Logitech? the nightfly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42075 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
routehero wrote: There aren't any plans to pull the plug on the forums. I would be surprised if many in the management were reading these forums. Rest assured that the people that work on the Squeezebox infrastructure are eager to keep it around and will advocate its long life. Please excuse my impertinence, but I've been away for a while. Who are you and how do you know this? pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Vilmann wrote: A microcomputer with Squeezeslave and a decent DAC seems to be the most logical alternative. Maybe Raspberry Pi? I just did a test on an old ATOM-powered laptop. Works fine, but the fan is rather annoying. Remote control is easy with Android or iOS but I think there might be a way to control it through IR. There's even a display option - whick I didn't check out. All competitors seems to be either way to expensive or way too complicated to handle on a daily basis. No, I dont want to convert my music to some other format. No, I dont trust your hardware - you do the hifi stuff, I do the computers. No, I don't need a 10K DAC to listen to internet radio. How about a small computer with SqueezePlay? My question is how does one get the digital signal out to a DAC? Is there such a small computer already with digital out? jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: How about a small computer with SqueezePlay? My question is how does one get the digital signal out to a DAC? Is there such a small computer already with digital out? USB out to DAC? garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
pallfreeman wrote: Who are you and how do you know this? Just another bystander idly guessing, but I suppose the Administrator designation (as opposed to our lowly Senior Member status) has something to do with it. Also, past posts such as this one: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94424-Planned-outage-Wed-April-4thp=699417highlight=#post699417 aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
garym wrote: USB out to DAC? I found lots of USB out options including this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V6M0OU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p267_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=center-3pf_rd_r=0HDVE6QXPHG8THZ1TGESpf_rd_t=101pf_rd_p=470938811pf_rd_i=507846 Pricey but I guess it eliminates jitter. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
jimzak wrote: I found lots of USB out options including this one: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007V6M0OU/ref=s9_simh_gw_p267_d0_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DERpf_rd_s=center-3pf_rd_r=0HDVE6QXPHG8THZ1TGESpf_rd_t=101pf_rd_p=470938811pf_rd_i=507846 Pricey but I guess it eliminates jitter. You don't have to have USB to spdif converter if you have a DAC that has USB input. There are many of these around now. garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59298.html I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well. http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/ garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
castalla wrote: They could also spend some money on advertising! Where? What? UE is an also-ran, much like the Revue. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
aubuti wrote: Just another bystander idly guessing, but I suppose the Administrator designation (as opposed to our lowly Senior Member status) has something to do with it. Also, past posts such as this one: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?94424-Planned-outage-Wed-April-4thp=699417highlight=#post699417 So, probably someone who pays the mortgage courtesy of Logitech but still has a conscience, and is probably regretting poking his head above the parapet. Sh, then. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com
simbo wrote: This is only a short hop away from seeing Rhapsody-branded players on the shelves, manufactured by Logitech. Bear in mind Logitech (used to?) make mice etc for Microsoft, so it's not an area that's alien to them. I'd need to think about the pros and cons (to us as consumers) to your idea, but my knee-jerk feeling is a negative one - I don't like the idea of being tied into a single online service, especially as it's an emerging area that still has a lot of potential for growth and innovation.in another thread. It's a bad idea I already commented on this when it was raised - in another thread. It's a bad idea! Goes against the general trend of streaming services. Only Rhapsody users would buy the devices! Why not let Tunein run it? or MOG and so it goes. This idea doesn't have legs to run - I hope! castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96284 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
garym wrote: I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well. Costs too much, and runs too hot. Has to be something like the Apple TV 2. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
garym wrote: You don't have to have USB to spdif converter if you have a DAC that has USB input. There are many of these around now. Ok. So the equation would be something like the following: 1. A mini PC with USB running SqueezePlay 2. A DAC with USB input 3. An amplifier or powered speakers Example: 1. Zotac mini PC (150-400 USD) 2. DAC (150-500 USD or more) 3. Amplified speakers such as above or plug into AVR or amplifier What is a good DAC that is comparable to the one in the Touch? jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
I don't agree - there's a large potential market across Europe. People just don't know about internet radio and streaming. Most just struggle on with scratchy sound from their netbooks, etc. I just gave an older Reciva radio to a friend - she was amazed at what was available (and the Recivas are pretty restricted compared to SB, and much more geeky to set up and maintain!). As I've mentioned before - the key factor is the price. European prices are anything between 10-30% higher than the US prices. Add in no marketing and you're dead in the water castalla's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15624 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
pallfreeman wrote: Costs too much, and runs too hot. Has to be something like the Apple TV 2. I meant dedicated computer. Yes it is a bit pricy. Some use the available heat sink (more money too!). The apple tv is not a server that can run software (Im assuming). garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
Autonomics mirage brandenpro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=54994 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
garym wrote: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/pcaudio/messages/5/59298.html I've always thought the fitpc2 would make a nice dedicated silent unit for audio. Haven't tried yet. It has spdif out as well. http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc/fit-pc2i-specifications/ I've been using one as my music server for several years, without a single problem of any sort. I don't understand the runs too hot comment. Yes, it's warm, but that's because it's radiating all the modest heat it produces through the heatsink cabinet. A unit with a fan dissipates the heat, usually much more heat, in a different way. The latter will have more of a room-heating effect. As to price, you get what you pay for. The Fit2 diskless (which is how you should get it) is modestly priced. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ask Rhapsody if it is interested in managing mysqueezebox.com
Problematic from an international perspective too Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96284 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
RonM wrote: I've been using one as my music server for several years, without a single problem of any sort. I don't understand the runs too hot comment. Yes, it's warm, but that's because it's radiating all the modest heat it produces through the heatsink cabinet. A unit with a fan dissipates the heat, usually much more heat, in a different way. The latter will have more of a room-heating effect. As to price, you get what you pay for. The Fit2 diskless (which is how you should get it) is modestly priced. R. I do like the idea of a fanless design, if it doesn't fry itself...which it apparently does not. jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
I know it's probably somewhat of a sore topic, but... Does Google TV in any iteration have digital or HDMI outs AND is there a Squeezebox app for this platform? jimzak's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17592 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?
I'd be willing to pay for ongoing development related to downloading the latest version for various amounts of time. I.e. xxx$ for a year to download the latest version and it keeps working (just like lms) if you stop. As I see it Squeeze really caters to 2 types of users, those who have large music collections and audiophiles who care about high end digital files. Hopefully more work could be done to improve that experience. Just my opinion but chasing after the services won't work. sander's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10737 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96266 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech
the nightfly wrote: is there a forum or other such site for SB to continue on if (when) Logitech pulls the plug on this one? Personally, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see it happen very soon -- especially since I would guess management would not be happy with the beating their company is receiving in the comments here, nor in information about how to keep and perpetuate the old system instead of us all rushing out and buying Ultimate Ears Smart Radios of our very own. New and potential future UE Smart Radio customers probably go to their official support forum at http://forums.logitech.com. Due to this my guess is that Logitech management probably don't want the critique to be on their official forum where it might scare away potential new UE Smart Radio customers, I'm fairly sure they prefer the critique to be here on the community forum than on their official forum, facebook, twitter and in other places where it would be more visible. Still, if Logitech would shutdown this community forum, let's just goto their official forum at http://forums.logitech.com and one of us will make sure to post a link there to a new community forum where we can hang out instead of here. I don't want to spend time setting up a new forum at the moment because I don't believe there is any risk Logitech will shutdown this forum in the near future, but eventually this is something that will happen, but it's probably at least a year or two away. erland's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3124 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
GoogleTV does not support the NDK, so it's very unlikely to see a player software there. I tried hard, but failed to circumvent this limitation with my SqueezePlayer App. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] SB Alternatives
As for hardware alternatives: look out for SheevaPlug and RaspberryPi on this forum. Both are cheap, are fanless, powerful and have ready to run builds with SqueezeSlave. One probably would just need an extra casing for RaspberryPi (there are some to buy out there) and then you'll have a device much like a SB Receiver. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96241 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
