Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-31 Thread audiomuze
Ron Olsen;666234 Wrote: Is there a working version of puddletag for Mac OS X Lion? Installation instructions? I've struggled (unsuccessfully) to get puddletag running on Lion.Have a look at the puddletag forum, there's a post there that sets out how to get it done without too much effort.

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-31 Thread Ron Olsen
audiomuze;666508 Wrote: Have a look at the puddletag forum, there's a post there that sets out how to get it done without too much effort. The only info I found in the puddletag forum for a Mac install is for Mac OS X Snow Leopard (10.6), not Lion (10.7):

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-31 Thread audiomuze
Let's move the discussion to the puddletag forum. Bottom line is with the exception of windows file paths puddletag is OS agnostic, written in Python and dependent on a series of Python libraries to do its work. Those libraries are also OS agnostic and available for most OS', so getting puddletag

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-30 Thread bhaagensen
Mnyb;665835 Wrote: But the fact remain no native ALAC for SB3 SB3 reciever or Boom is possible. (well it is possible if you throw out something else, like encryption for some services... ) AFAIR the ip3k-products have native support for a zillion funny codecs. I strongly suggest/hope

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-30 Thread sebp
bhaagensen;666286 Wrote: AFAIR the ip3k-products have native support for a zillion funny codecs. The IP3K based products only support these codecs: MP3, FLAC, Ogg/Vorbis, WMA (lossy), AIFF, WAV. On the lossy codecs side, I guess you couldn't remove any of them without breaking compatibility

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-30 Thread Mnyb
sebp;666391 Wrote: The IP3K based products only support these codecs: MP3, FLAC, Ogg/Vorbis, WMA (lossy), AIFF, WAV. On the lossy codecs side, I guess you couldn't remove any of them without breaking compatibility with online streaming services / webradios. On the lossless side, well:

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-30 Thread bhaagensen
sebp;666391 Wrote: - try removing FLAC support and I would force you eating an iPad So ? ;-) Send me (a working) one, and I shall - you'll just have to trust that I actually do ! My memory was off - I thought there were native support for more esoteric codecs. I wouldn't mind losing wma,

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-30 Thread andyg
Well of course we'd never remove anything just to add ALAC support. The bridging+Rhapsody issue was unfortunate, just be glad it works at all... -- andyg andyg's Profile:

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread AndrewFG
andyg;665988 Wrote: Actually I should mention that the code Apple released doesn't appear to include any MP4 code, only code to decode raw CAF (CoreAudio Format) files, and of course basically all ALAC files are going to be in MP4. So that would require additional code...Yes. But --alluding

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread mkozlows
paul.raulerson;666038 Wrote: ALAC support not only puts a product into the largest and (potentially) most profitable environment around, it also forces Apple to improve seriously on the specs. No it doesn't. Apple doesn't have to change a thing, and there's little reason to suspect they

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread Mnyb
how many channels do ALAC support , can it cary multichannel discrete hirez as FLAC can ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread AndrewFG
mkozlows;666162 Wrote: Apple doesn't have to change a thing, and there's little reason to suspect they will.Hey guys, both ALAC and FLAC are somewhat like ZIP. It is lossless compression, and there is only so far that you can go with that. And anyway, why would anyone want to develop it

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread AndrewFG
Mnyb;666188 Wrote: how many channels do ALAC support , can it cary multichannel discrete hirez as FLAC can ?Well, their open source header files contain the following definitions, so it is a fairly safe bet that it can go up to 7+1 channels. Concerning the bit depth and sample rates, I did

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread audiomuze
wazza;665791 Wrote: I too was wanting to convert my flac library to ALAC, simply due to the fact there's no good tools for tagging of flac files for macyou've obviously not yet discovered puddletag... -- audiomuze *'Linux finally gets a great audio tagger'

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-29 Thread Ron Olsen
wazza Wrote: I too was wanting to convert my flac library to ALAC, simply due to the fact there's no good tools for tagging of flac files for mac audiomuze;666226 Wrote: you've obviously not yet discovered puddletag... Is there a working version of puddletag for Mac OS X Lion? Installation

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Mnyb
Yes this was unnecessary , there are already to many formats would have been better if apple incorporated FLAC in their products. But that's thinking beyond pride and short term profit . pipe dream : 1 lossy and 1 lossless format, with a tagging/metadata system endorsed and understood by both

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread cliveb
Personally I think this is bad news. It is the thin end of a wedge that will see ALAC slowly surplant FLAC as the de-facto lossless codec of choice. I don't trust Apple's motives. Just because this particular release of their codec is now in the wild does not mean future versions will be. I

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Mnyb
cliveb;665817 Wrote: personally i think this is bad news. It is the thin end of a wedge that will see alac slowly surplant flac as the de-facto lossless codec of choice. I don't trust apple's motives. Just because this particular release of their codec is now in the wild does not mean future

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread lucas72
erland;665802 Wrote: The big advantage with ALAC from my perspective would be that suddenly I can use the same files both in Squeezebox and Apple ecosystem. YE. Finally. -- lucas72 'QNAP Club Italy' (www.qnapclub.it)

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread lucas72
cliveb;665817 Wrote: I don't trust Apple's motives. It depends what you think are those motives... cliveb;665817 Wrote: I predict that once Apple has rendered other lossless codecs obsolete, they will improve ALAC and keep it closed source, then extract lucrative licence fees from all

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Mnyb
But the fact remain no native ALAC for SB3 SB3 reciever or Boom is possible. (well it is possible if you throw out something else, like encryption for some services... ) So server transcoding is still needed for all the old players , but now with possibly improved reliability. Touch and Radio

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread AndrewFG
bjs;665789 Wrote: Interesting news: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/27/apples-alac-codec-is-now-open-source/Unfortunately I think there is still a part of this story missing... Apple .M4A music files consist of a raw data music stream, that is wrapped inside an ISO MPEG4 file container. MPEG4

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Mnyb
AndrewFG;665859 Wrote: Unfortunately I think there is still a part of this story missing... Apple .M4A music files consist of a raw data music stream, that is wrapped inside an ISO MPEG4 file container. MPEG4 is an open ISO standard that defines a nestable structure of boxes, where each

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread AndrewFG
Mnyb;665863 Wrote: Ok this means that this open support is basically useless we have to rely on reverse engineered stuff anyway.No. Apple already made a good step in the right direction. -- They just need to finish the journey... -- AndrewFG Regards, AndrewFG Try out Whitebear. The

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread aubuti
lucas72;665833 Wrote: cliveb;665817 Wrote: Rather than everyone else adding support for ALAC, wouldn't it just be easier for Apple to support FLAC? Of course not, why a company should force their customers to convert all their audio files?! Makes much more sense that new customers

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread lucas72
aubuti;665870 Wrote: Quite the contrary True. Sorry too much beer today. -- lucas72 'QNAP Club Italy' (www.qnapclub.it) - When the Boogeyman goes to sleep every night, he checks his closet

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread netchord
correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the transporter does not support HW decoding for alac. for this reason, and because i use iTunes for library management, i've kept my library as AIFF. sure, takes up more space, but hard drives are cheap. the other reason being i can hear the difference

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Mnyb
netchord;665885 Wrote: correct me if i'm wrong, but i believe the transporter does not support HW decoding for alac. for this reason, and because i use iTunes for library management, i've kept my library as AIFF. sure, takes up more space, but hard drives are cheap. the other reason

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread maggior
AndrewFG;665859 Wrote: Unfortunately I think there is still a part of this story missing... Apple .M4A music files consist of a raw data music stream, that is wrapped inside an ISO MPEG4 file container. MPEG4 is an open ISO standard that defines a nestable structure of boxes, where each

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Steven Moore
I think it's great news, it removes most of the open source arguments at a stroke. I can't see Apple going back on this, what would be the reason? Anyway I'll be moving to an Apple tv come Christmas if Santa is good to me. Far too much trouble running my old squeezebox 2 these days. The last

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread loneagle
andyg;665793 Wrote: ALAC seeking is supported. But yes this is great news, we can finally implement the official decoder. So is there any hope that we might see firmware updates for legacy devices such as the Transporter or Classic so they will understand ALAC some day? -- loneagle

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread andyg
loneagle;665961 Wrote: So is there any hope that we might see firmware updates for legacy devices such as the Transporter or Classic so they will understand ALAC some day? The amount of code for ALAC is actually quite small, so who knows, maybe it would be possible. -- andyg

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread abdomen
andyg;665965 Wrote: The amount of code for ALAC is actually quite small, so who knows, maybe it would be possible. Count one big vote from an owner of multiple SB2's and 3's! -- abdomen abdomen's Profile:

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread andyg
Actually I should mention that the code Apple released doesn't appear to include any MP4 code, only code to decode raw CAF (CoreAudio Format) files, and of course basically all ALAC files are going to be in MP4. So that would require additional code... -- andyg

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread atrocity
erland;665802 Wrote: Are there any advantages of using FLAC now when ALAC is open sourced ? Last time I tested, stereo FLAC files were slightly smaller than their FLAC counterparts...and mono FLAC files were a *lot* smaller. -- atrocity

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread Mnyb
andyg;665965 Wrote: The amount of code for ALAC is actually quite small, so who knows, maybe it would be possible. Interesting and positive :) was not the memory/cpu/something in the SB3 so limited that the bridging function was sacrificed for some change in the encryption for some service (

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-28 Thread paul.raulerson
Mnyb;665809 Wrote: Yes this was unnecessary , there are already to many formats would have been better if apple incorporated FLAC in their products. But that's thinking beyond pride and short term profit . You know, I hear a lot of this, but there are far more devices out there using

[slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread bjs
Interesting news: http://www.tuaw.com/2011/10/27/apples-alac-codec-is-now-open-source/ Personally I think this is great news. I currently keep my music library in FLAC format. But we're an Apple house, and lately I've been considering converting it to ALAC so that everything works better with

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread wazza
I believe ALAC has been supported by squeezebox for a while, but without the ability to seek within the track. This is great news, and hopefully the seek feature will finally be available in the next release. I too was wanting to convert my flac library to ALAC, simply due to the fact there's

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread andyg
ALAC seeking is supported. But yes this is great news, we can finally implement the official decoder. -- andyg andyg's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3292 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread paulster
This is great news. Even better would be Apple adding support for FLAC to their products but this is a great step forward for lossless audio! -- paulster Receiver stuck at blue LED state after reboot? Please vote for bug '17462' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17462) Web

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread Grumpy Bob
wazza;665791 Wrote: I believe ALAC has been supported by squeezebox for a while, but without the ability to seek within the track. This is great news, and hopefully the seek feature will finally be available in the next release. I too was wanting to convert my flac library to ALAC,

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread erland
Are there any advantages of using FLAC now when ALAC is open sourced ? Is FLAC still better supported in Squeezeboxes ? Is FLAC still better supported in other software/hardware players ? The big advantage with ALAC from my perspective would be that suddenly I can use the same files both in

Re: [slim] Apple's ALAC now open source!

2011-10-27 Thread paulster
erland;665802 Wrote: Are there any advantages of using FLAC now when ALAC is open sourced ? Well, it may have been open sourced but the likes of Logitech still have to develop decoders for it allowing full use of the specification (seek, etc.) so FLAC still has the advantage for the time being.