MrSinatra - please calm down or we'll have to close this thread. Thanks.
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I'm locking this thread due to the personal attacks. I'm also creating
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slimkid;289321 Wrote:
Sinatra,
I fully agree with you here, and no matter how hard somebody might try
to justify or rationalize, this functionality is broken. I used to have
BAND tag (on flac files), that didn't behave according to wiki/help
docs. Then I converted them all to ALBUMARTIST
slimkid;289321 Wrote:
So there is a first issue BAND is not the same as ALBUMARTIST, contrary
to documentation.
What says they are the same?
The band tag is also known as TPE2 and may appear as the album artist
in some software.
...?
That says no such thing. It says two things (note
MrSinatra;289310 Wrote:
the problem is that if i know that 'band' and 'album artist' are
defacto interchangeable in most programs, and are defacto considered
TPE2 in most programs, then i am not likely to guess SC7 would be
different or treat them as one but not the other.
Most programs?
snarlydwarf;289351 Wrote:
What says they are the same?
...?
That says no such thing. It says two things (note the conjunction
'and' in the sentence).
1) The BAND tag is known on mp3's as TPE2.
2) Some software may call TPE2 album artist
Nowhere does it say: I will treat TPE2
snarlydwarf;289360 Wrote:
Most programs?
I am not sure that is correct.
Those who use Picard, for example, get (usually) correct ALBUMARTIST.
(It does tend to break down on Classical, where TPE2 would be
Orchestra.) My usual ripper, abcde, doesn't set the tag at all. Nor
does a
MrSinatra;289369 Wrote:
wait a minute snarly...
the option in SC7 that says List albums by Band has this in the
infobox:
Albums that contain songs that are tagged with a band may be listed
under that band name or with the other artists for that album. The band
tag is also known as TPE2
MrSinatra;289376 Wrote:
gimmie a break. ok, so you have mp3s, but WHY doesn't it affect you?
Because, as I said last week: I use ALBUMARTIST for ALBUMARTIST.
(Well, Musicbrainz tags which are converted)
is it because you simply don't care? or are you saying the problem
doesn't exist?
snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote:
With what? With the thread title? Sure, it should absolutely
positively sort by ALBUMARTIST. It does.
disingenuous and erroneous.
the thread title does not say ALBUMARTIST, it says Album Artist,
(meaning TPE2 not internal SC7 tag, as it doesn't fit your naming
snarlydwarf;289390 Wrote:
Because, as I said last week: I use ALBUMARTIST for ALBUMARTIST. (Well,
Musicbrainz tags which are converted)
ok, and thats great for you.
but SC7 does not require people use MB to get SC7 to work for them.
nor should it.
i don't want to use anything like that
why do you always become a smartass? why do you also become
disingenuous?
snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote:
No kidding?
Are you sure?
I mean, I just guessed and had -exactly- the same text in my post!
What a coincidence!
smartass.
snarlydwarf;289381 Wrote:
there is nothing in that
MrSinatra;289428 Wrote:
why do you always become a smartass? why do you also become
disingenuous?
For the same reason you play naive and paternal. Since I posted
-exactly- the same text as you, when you post it and pretend it is new
information that I obviously have not seen or
snarlydwarf;289521 Wrote:
For the same reason you play naive and paternal. Since I posted
-exactly- the same text as you, when you post it and pretend it is new
information that I obviously have not seen or comprehended, that is
rude and paternal.
As far as disingenuous: there is nothing
Man, this problem has been around for what seems like a generation now.
I'm not sure why SlimDevices persist in not having an Album Artist
category in the Browse/Search menus.
Is there some technical reason why they don't just do this.
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slimkid;288839 Wrote:
In the meantime, I have found another 2 issues with this functionality.
I think it is so broken that it has past the point where it makes sense
to raise bugs. It needs serious shakedown. First somebody who really
understands the complexity of tagging to develop a
SLIM DEVICES, or the community, what say you?
Believe it or not, the current TPE2 tag functionality works how I want it to
right now. I'm sure there are other people who are satisfied and have
gotten the server to do what they want with the current implementation. Any
suggestions to scrap
thats a very short sighted view.
just b/c it works for you does not mean good enough.
all you have to do is see all the people complaining and all the bugs
filed.
SC7 should act on GENERIC and REASONABLE assumptions, and be
PREDICTABLE.
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I just ran an experiment. The library is all Flac files, so this has
nothing to do with TPE2/BAND options or problems. I took a Van
Morrision album, Astral Weeks, and set the ALBUMARTIST to 'Cannonball
Adderley'.
Was:
ARTIST=Van Morrison
ARTISTSORT=Morrison, Van
Now:
ARTIST=Van Morrison
so jim, you are saying there is no problem?
you are wrong.
first of all, what program do you use to make and maintain tags?
secondly, you need to change the tpe1 tags, or artist tags to say
different artists and see if it still sorts by album artists.
so change some tracks tags for artist
and btw, i assume when you say albumartist it is either a tpe2 field
or a txxx user defined field, right?
which is it?
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On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 2:22 PM, MrSinatra
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
thats a very short sighted view.
just b/c it works for you does not mean good enough.
You need to READ what people say if you want people to take you seriously.
I said I don't want what I have working to break -- I never
MrSinatra;289195 Wrote:
and btw, i assume when you say albumartist it is either a tpe2 field
or a txxx user defined field, right?
which is it?
Read the first line of my post again. This is with Flac files, so has
nothing to do with any problems there might be with TPE2 interpretation
in
MrSinatra;289195 Wrote:
and btw, i assume when you say albumartist it is either a tpe2 field
or a txxx user defined field, right?
which is it?
If you read his post he says it's FLAC, thus it's neither tpe2 nor
txxx.
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radish
radish;289206 Wrote:
If you read his post he says it's FLAC, thus it's neither tpe2 nor txxx.
ok, well since i do nothing with flac and since mine are mp3 his post
is of no relevance whatsoever to mine.
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JJZolx;289207 Wrote:
Read the first line of my post again. This is with Flac files, so has
nothing to do with any problems there might be with TPE2 interpretation
in id3v2 tags. I'm just saying that ALBUMARTIST behavior appears to
work as expected, so it's not a problem with the treatment
MrSinatra;289211 Wrote:
my posts QUITE CLEARLY have been about id3 and mp3, so why should he
address his circumstances as being applicable to mine?
Because once the data hits SC it's all the same. Knowing that it works
for one type of tag and not for another helps a lot in narrowing down
the
radish;289221 Wrote:
Because once the data hits SC it's all the same. Knowing that it works
for one type of tag and not for another helps a lot in narrowing down
the real issue.
ok, but understand that i don't know how flac works and that id3
(afaik) doesn't officially recognize tpe2 as an
MrSinatra;289211 Wrote:
i did read it. its not a crime to not know anything about flac if you
don't use it.
No, it's not a crime...
Instead of arguing about semantics, why not talk on a common ground?
SC has a set of, for lack of a better name, Internal Tags. These are
what it -really-
JJZolx;289179 Wrote:
I just ran an experiment. The library is all Flac files, so this has
nothing to do with TPE2/BAND options or problems. I took a Van
Morrision album, Astral Weeks, and set the ALBUMARTIST to 'Cannonball
Adderley'.
Was:
ARTIST=Van Morrison
ARTISTSORT=Morrison, Van
Actually, to get the effect I'm after, you'll also need COMPILATION=1
and Group compilations together and List albums by Band set...
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snarlydwarf;289243 Wrote:
No, it's not a crime...
Instead of arguing about semantics, why not talk on a common ground?
i find it a struggle to clearly explain this b/c while i KNOW and SEE
my problem, the very semantics of the situation make it hard to
explain.
tags themselves are in
i should also add to that...
follow me here for a second...
we established that TPE2 is NOT being classified as ALBUMARTIST by SC7.
i think thats a problem.
HOWEVER
you seem to be saying TPE2 is called BAND by SC7.
well, if it is, in that case, SC7 is NOT sorting by BAND either.
if TPE2 is
Jeezus, you're tearing yourself up over this...
See snarlydwarf's explanation. Once an audio file or album full of
audio file's is scanned and the metadata entered in the server's
database, it doesn't matter what type of file it was - Mp3, Flac, Ape,
Ogg, WMA, etc. They're all treated the
MrSinatra;289312 Wrote:
i should also add to that...
follow me here for a second...
we established that TPE2 is NOT being classified as ALBUMARTIST by SC7.
i think thats a problem.
HOWEVER
you seem to be saying TPE2 is called BAND by SC7.
well, if it is, in that case, SC7 is NOT
JJZolx;289320 Wrote:
Jeezus, you're tearing yourself up over this...
you know jim, i don't understand the point of a comment like that.
all i am trying to do is get something fixed, something that has NEVER
worked right for me since i got my first slim stuff 3 years ago or
whatever it was.
... is this now fixed/done?
If I go to the Artist list do I see the Album Artist used, where
appropriate as the sort key?
If so, can someone identify what version this fix made it into please,
if not it there any expectation that it might eventually be taken up?
Thanks
--
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as far as i know it is not fixed, please see the bugs listed in this
link:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45876
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In the meantime, I have found another 2 issues with this functionality.
I think it is so broken that it has past the point where it makes sense
to raise bugs. It needs serious shakedown. First somebody who really
understands the complexity of tagging to develop a business case and
set of clear
all,
please see this thread, i think a flowchart is what we need:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45876
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smc smc2911 writes:
You mention that BAND and ALBUMARTIST are not treated equally. What is
your understanding of the difference?
See also:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=6490
greg
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Take a look at this bug:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=5108
And look specifically at comment #16 which I just added today. That's
how I'd suggest fixing this from a settings perspective.
I should have mentioned my testing has been exclusively with MP3 files
and that the
Thanks MelonMonkey--I'll vote for that bug.
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smc2911;284940 Wrote:
H. That worked, thanks! But, I thought there was a reason that I'd
set Compilation=1, I just can't remember now what it was...Now I remember:
although I want the album artist to be listed under
artists, I don't want the individual track artists listed. So in the
Hi,
did some experimenting about this thing and this is what I can confirm.
BAND and ALBUMARTIST tags are not treated equally. Once I converted my
BAND to ALBUMARTIST, many things changed and started to make more
sense:
My set up is:
- Group compilation albums together
- List albums by band
slimkid, thanks for your comments. After a couple of years of careful
application of the COMPILATION tag, it sounds as though now my best
approach will be to zap most of these (rather than setting them to 0).
You mention that BAND and ALBUMARTIST are not treated equally. What is
your
The list albums by band option is just broken.
There is no way, a 20 track album with every track having the same
album artist info and complication flag=no should appear under
various artists just because there is a guest singer on one track.
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bullgod
Mp3 files?
bullgod;284851 Wrote:
The list albums by band option is just broken.
You could be right. There are reports of this being broken in several
ways in the bug database.
There is no way, a 20 track album with every track having the same
album artist info and complication flag=no
I find that this approach only works for me if I have at least one other
album by the artist in question, otherwise the album artist does not
appear in the artist list at all.
For example:
Album: Larry Levan Live at the Paradise Garage
Album Artist: Larry Levan
Compilation: 1
and then each
smc2911;284932 Wrote:
Any suggestions as to how to get Larry Levan (and other similar
examples) to appear in my Artists list would be greatly appreciated!
Try COMPILATION=0.
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Jim
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H. That worked, thanks! But, I thought there was a reason that I'd
set Compilation=1, I just can't remember now what it was...
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Maybe when the new wiki is up and running, 'this page'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.cgi?VariousArtistsLogic) should be
replaced with a definitive explanation of Various Artists, Album
artists, compilation tags, etc. Volunteers anyone?
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