seanadams;408519 Wrote:
Wrong. Test it.
IIRC, greenfield preamble cannot be implemented by legacy stations, but
is typically used in the case of pure 11n mode settings in routers and
APs, and has better throughput because it is shorter than mixed mode or
legacy preambles.
It's been a while
Pat Farrell wrote:
Evan55 wrote:
any rumors that Squeezebox will be updating their
hardware to support N networks?
SlimDevices/Logitech never comments on future products.
But I would not expect them to support N until its actually released as
a spec. So far, its only a draft.
Peter wrote:
That holier than thou attitude could be very damaging to business. I
figure LT/SD are smarter that that.
What justifies your insulting attitude?
Its not a spec. The router vendors are selling it, and selling NICs to
go with it. And perhaps the final version will match. If not,
pfarrell;408208 Wrote:
SlimDevices/Logitech never comments on future products.
Every time I see someone make that comment in these forums it makes me
smile. Because it's not unusual with technology products and companies.
Doing anything other than that would be unusual, in my experience.
I've been using a N router with my SB3 for over a year now and I've
never had a problem with the setup. Not one. It's been a great combo,
rock solid.
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Evan55;408207 Wrote:
Ive recently discovered the Squeezebox Duet and fell in love with it
(well, on paper anyway) but I have just moved over to an entirely N
network, and Id really rather not run a separate G network too.
Since the new Linksys/Cisco and some of other audio streamers now run
You're all perfectly right in your comments that (draft) N routers
perfectly work with G devices and that the Squeezebox family also works
perfectly with draft N networks...
But that's not the point... At the moment you have mixed G and (draft)
N devices you're practically running 2 separate
Slightly confused :-
I have a router that I can switch to n-only, or b+g. I would prefer to
use n for my laptop other devices, but whenever I've tried n my Duet
Controller can't find the network (Receiver is hard-wired).
Are you saying that if a WLAN is set to n only, it is still
rolski;408292 Wrote:
Slightly confused :-
I have a router that I can switch to n-only, or b+g. I would prefer to
use n for my laptop other devices, but whenever I've tried n my Duet
Controller can't find the network (Receiver is hard-wired).
Are you saying that if a WLAN is set to n
servies;408302 Wrote:
Your router can facilitate a G and a N wireless network at the same
time.
Actually, according to the options available, it can do B, G, B+G and
N, but no other combinations.
As my attempts with N have failed I would assume the the
backwards-compatibility with G is simply
rolski;408319 Wrote:
Actually, according to the options available, it can do B, G, B+G and N,
but no other combinations.
As my attempts with N have failed I would assume the the
backwards-compatibility with G is simply not programmed / implemented
correctly, so I'm stuck with B+G
It's
Pat Farrell wrote:
Peter wrote:
That holier than thou attitude could be very damaging to business. I
figure LT/SD are smarter that that.
What justifies your insulting attitude?
Your unrealistic opinion.
What's insulting about it?
Read: If SD would adopt/continue this holier
peter;408392 Wrote:
The plain fact is that buyers will consider a media streamer that does
not support pre-N outdated. In fact they're already doing so, see the
starting post. If the competition is offering pre-N devices, any
sensible business will have to do the same.
I'm with
servies;408287 Wrote:
You're all perfectly right in your comments that (draft) N routers
perfectly work with G devices and that the Squeezebox family also works
perfectly with draft N networks...
I'm not sure you actually got what I was saying.
But that's not the point... At the moment you
Goodsounds wrote:
peter;408392 Wrote:
The plain fact is that buyers will consider a media streamer that does
not support pre-N outdated. In fact they're already doing so, see the
starting post. If the competition is offering pre-N devices, any
sensible business will have to do the
seanadams wrote:
servies;408287 Wrote:
You're all perfectly right in your comments that (draft) N routers
perfectly work with G devices and that the Squeezebox family also works
perfectly with draft N networks...
I'm not sure you actually got what I was saying.
But that's
peter;408414 Wrote:
You don't see many companies shipping B-devices these days, do you?
Sigh... No, because B is bad and B is dead. There is no reason to use
B.
G, on the other hand, is quite alive and well, and has significant
advantages over N in portable devices. Lower power
peter;408421 Wrote:
MyD-link 633 seems to think there's some advantage to be had in using
N-only mode:
If all of the wireless devices you want to connect with this router
can
connect in the same transmission mode, you can improve performance
slightly by choosing the appropriate Only
Goodsounds wrote:
Every time I see someone make that comment in these forums it makes me
smile. Because it's not unusual with technology products and companies.
Doing anything other than that would be unusual, in my experience.
Smart companies have been doing it for a long time, although at
Peter wrote:
Sure, I get it. But if they see the boxes on the shelf and one has Fast
N! And the other has Slow g! on it, they'll know which one has the
advantage.
You are streaming audio. Uncompressed wav/pcm is 1.5 megabits/second. No
problem for a good 11b link, no problem for any 11g
pfarrell;408437 Wrote:
There is zero advantage of speed using 11n.
Don't fall into the marketing spin.
Peter does have a point though. Even if he doesn't fall for the
marketing spin, others probably will, and this is bad for the Squeeze
community over all.
perhaps a sticker on the box
funkstar wrote:
pfarrell;408437 Wrote:
There is zero advantage of speed using 11n.
Don't fall into the marketing spin.
Peter does have a point though. Even if he doesn't fall for the
marketing spin, others probably will, and this is bad for the Squeeze
community over all.
seanadams wrote:
peter;408414 Wrote:
You don't see many companies shipping B-devices these days, do you?
Sigh... No, because B is bad and B is dead. There is no reason to use
B.
When I bought my SB1 it was still very much alive.
Now my SB1 is still working fine but I can't
seanadams wrote:
peter;408421 Wrote:
MyD-link 633 seems to think there's some advantage to be had in using
N-only mode:
If all of the wireless devices you want to connect with this router
can
connect in the same transmission mode, you can improve performance
slightly by choosing
peter;408475 Wrote:
I have 12 wifi networks within range of my laptop using the same
wavelength. Surely, using 5 Ghz
in such an environment is an advantage?
5GHz is not a panacea, and it's unlikely that you're even running the
all 5GHz environment that you're imagining. Those laptops
peter;408478 Wrote:
When I bought my SB1 it was still very much alive.
Now my SB1 is still working fine but I can't use it on my G network :(
I sure wish I'd bought a G SB1 then, I could still use it ;)
Not really. G was available by then, and the B/G interoperability
issues were generally
seanadams;408418 Wrote:
Sigh... No, because B is bad and B is dead. There is no reason to use
B.
G, on the other hand, is quite alive and well, and has significant
advantages over N in portable devices. Lower power consumption, fewer
antennas, and lower cost due to smaller silicon area
seanadams;408213 Wrote:
Duet, and g devices in general, play just fine with n. You won't have
issues as with b+g.
funkstar;408248 Wrote:
I'm currently running two hardware players over my N network and they
work just fine in G mode. You don't need a seperate network for G
devices. 802.11n
pfarrell;408224 Wrote:
Peter wrote:
That holier than thou attitude could be very damaging to business. I
figure LT/SD are smarter that that.
Its not a spec. The router vendors are selling it, and selling NICs to
go with it. And perhaps the final version will match. If not, what
Evan55;408509 Wrote:
Logging onto an N network with a G device in mixed mode will work but
it brings the speed of the entire network down. (with the exception of
expensive routers that have separate N and G radios and hence networks)
Wrong. Test it.
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seanadams;408519 Wrote:
Wrong. Test it.
my arrogant internet friend, you are the wrong one.
I researched benchmarks and reviews on N routers before buying and I
tested it when I got my routers.
Mine went from 80mb/s in N to 25 mb/s in mixed mode, with jived with
the online reviewer
seanadams;408409 Wrote:
I'm not sure you actually got what I was saying.
But I did.
What do you mean?
Very simple: The G network is not the same 'physical' (mind the quotes)
as the N network.
If you're suggesting that a N router is no better than a G router as far
as G clients are
Evan55;408525 Wrote:
my arrogant internet friend, you are the wrong one.
I researched benchmarks and reviews on N routers before buying and I
tested it when I got my routers.
Mine went from 80mb/s in N to 25 mb/s in mixed mode, with jived with
the online reviewer benchmarks.
now if
Evan55 wrote:
seanadams;408519 Wrote:
Wrong. Test it.
my arrogant internet friend, you are the wrong one.
I may occasionally disagree with him, but Sean definitely does not come
across as arrogant in this forum. Perhaps he's different IRL... ;)
I researched benchmarks and
Evan55 wrote:
seanadams;408519 Wrote:
Wrong. Test it.
my arrogant internet friend, you are the wrong one.
Are you out of your mind? Sean is the head engineer who designed the
whole Slim Devices line.
I've never seen him be arrogant, and rarely has he been wrong.
--
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peter;408535 Wrote:
Evan55 wrote:
seanadams;408519 Wrote:
Wrong. Test it.
my arrogant internet friend, you are the wrong one.
I may occasionally disagree with him, but Sean definitely does not come
across as arrogant in this forum. Perhaps he's different
seanadams;408529 Wrote:
What exactly was your mixed mode? Was that G/N only, or B/G/N? There's a
_big_ difference... Mixed mode supporting 'B' backward compatibility
requires a kludgy handshaking mechanism to ensure that the airwaves are
clear when the faster radios want to talk. G/N does
Evan55;408539 Wrote:
... not to mention B wouldnt support WPA security anyway...
My router is set for WPA in mixed B/G mode (needed because I have a B
device).
If the experts say that slows down throughput, I'll assume that's the
case, but it works just fine for my purposes. Light duty,
Evan55;408514 Wrote:
but anyway, back to the original question.
what have Squeezebox's product cycles typically been? Do they
generally release new products/refreshes annually? I see the duet was
released almost a year ago.
There is no pattern.
You can see all the release dates for
Ive recently discovered the Squeezebox Duet and fell in love with it
(well, on paper anyway) but I have just moved over to an entirely N
network, and Id really rather not run a separate G network too.
Since the new Linksys/Cisco and some of other audio streamers now run
on N networks, any rumors
Evan55 wrote:
any rumors that Squeezebox will be updating their
hardware to support N networks?
SlimDevices/Logitech never comments on future products.
But I would not expect them to support N until its actually released as
a spec. So far, its only a draft. And for some reason, getting it
Duet, and g devices in general, play just fine with n. You won't have
issues as with b+g.
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