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OK, I left the router on last night. No message this morning. Bodes
well. I'll test for a few more days.
So (naive question coming), it is safe to leave the router on
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That worked! (typing in NEWDIR=ls -d
../../Music/Flac/$ARTIST/$ALBUM*). All folders are listed. I think I
typed in 'NEWDIR=ls -d ../../Music/Flac/$ARTIST/$ALBUM*' the first
time (with single quotes).
Strange thing is, however, that if I try to repeat it the next morning,
I receive the error
I am thinking of putting up a Squeezecenter server (for my own use) at a
remote location. Can I use it with a Squeezebox by connecting to it over
the internet? If so, what upstream bandwidth would be required (just 1
client simultaneously), would all features be available, and what ports
would I
Ok I understand - maybe I just didnt happen to ever play one of the old
AAC files and its never worked! I guess the probolem now is to find a
version of Quicktime that will happily install in Windows Home Server
(not the latest ones) does anybody know?
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I've just been musing on just how core AlienBBC is to my enjoyment of
the SlimDevices products. It has struck me that if I could not play BBC
Radio on my SlimDevices then I'd probably only have bought the
Transporter and would not have purchased my other three players. I'd
certainly never have
ASS-Ware wrote:
servies;334693 Wrote:
Actually the DHCP server can update the DNS server with an hostname - ip
combination.
Yes, but that is not the same as giving out a hostname.
If, for instance, we are talking about Windows Server 2003 DHCP and
DNS, then DHCP can update DNS with
it is very impotant where the quotes are, and what type of quotes are
used.
NEWDIR=`ls -d ../../Music/Flac/$ARTIST/$ALBUM*`
note the single quotes. they are backwards, it is the one above the
tab key. this single quote says execute the command, and use the
output
the double quotes tell the
Now that the BBC is changing away from Real Audio is there any chance
that BBC radio will become core code?
That is for Logitech but I think legal issues - however playing
RealAudio streams through an SB was not strictly legal when mplayer
used RealNetworks libraries (each user may have
I have a Duet and I updated SqueezeCenter from 7.1 to 7.2 a couple of
days ago and have noticed a small problem.
On the Controller, when selecting Display albums, some of the albums
are duplicated. All albums that are part of a playlist is duplicated.
Is there a setting somewhere that controls
its not Squeencentre - it seems only the Duet wont play back the tracks!
What on earth is going on? Anyone familiar with this?
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I too had this problem at the weekend.
I noticed that two of my SB3's had the same IP address even though I
was using automatic IP assign.
Giving each of them a unique address (manually) fixed this for me.
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bpa;335080 Wrote:
In terms of users about 330 user have downloaded the recent iPlayer
Addon and 30 user the 6.5 addon. I don't know if a 360 users is large
enough user base for Logitech to adopt the BBC support.
Cheers for the reply. I'll look up secure MP3 when I have a moment.
It looks
I have no idea where a 5s gap could come from, unless some preferences
have been explicitly set to achieve that.
In terms of what you can fiddle with in 7.2, the two most likely
candidates are the syncBufferThreshold (per player) and syncStartDelay
(server wide, under Networking in the WebUI,
At a guess, you have created the playlists outside of Squeezecenter and
they are showing a different path from the Music Library set in
Squeezecenter.
Open up one of the playlists using a text editor like Notepad or
Editpad. What is the path of the music file? Is it the same as your
Music
bpa wrote:
In terms of users about 330 user have downloaded the recent iPlayer
Addon and 30 user the 6.5 addon. I don't know if a 360 users is large
enough user base for Logitech to adopt the BBC support.
Downloading add-ons is not for everyone. I'm sure 'BBC-support' would be
a nice
The user number has a couple of caveats
1. many non-UK users use AlienBBC to play live streams and so the
Addon download does not reflect this group of users.
2. There are a number of Roku and non-Slimdevice hardware users who
also use AlienBBC. For example, from PMs etc I think there at
This is all very good to know.. and in the main quite reassuring. Thanks
bpa. I guess Mr Triode is a Logitech employee then?
I'm still pretty staggered that the AlienBBC user base is not measured
in the medium to high thousands (at least).
I'm perplexed as to why the BBC don't provide simple
So how do all those cheap ass WiFi internet radio's the pop up
everywhere (and Sonos) now the do all the BBC stuff do it then?
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I've been told by someone who works at the BBC (in new media) that
it's a consquences of them being early adopters. When they started up
their streaming program, Real was the only format that was widely
accessible on all kinds of platforms (Windows, Mac, Linux etc) and Real
agreed to let the BBC
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I'm a huge fan of AlienBBC, I'm anazed the userbase is as small as
suggested above.
Maybe the author(s) should put up a donations page. This is one of the
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I had this happen to the ~3 Duets I updated so far to 7.2.
The Settings menu disapears after the update to 7.2.
It comes back after a reboot though.
Has anyone else noticed this ?
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I'd like to know which wifi AP/Router works well with the Squeezebox
Duet.
Could you please report your experience (Good or bad) with Squeezebox
Duet mainly, but other players are welcome, and your wifi device, with
as many details as possible. (encryption, Duet controller and receiver
So how do all those cheap ass WiFi internet radio's the pop up
everywhere (and Sonos) now the do all the BBC stuff do it then?
Most of the Wifi radio use the Reciva chipset which has license
RealAudio decoder. Reciva runs a web site which did the screen
scraping just like AlienBBC and now
I created a patch a little while ago:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45088
Never seemed to catch on though...
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Thank you. That might be the problem. I created the playlists with the
SqueezeBox Controller when running SC 7.1. I had a few problems when
upgrading to 7.2 and moved all the music and playlists. When SC 7.2
worked, I moved the music and playlists back. It's possible something
changed at that
Siduhe;335116 Wrote:
When they started up their streaming program, Real was the only format
that was widely accessible on all kinds of platforms (Windows, Mac,
Linux etc)
Apart from MP3? MP3 was very established at the time the BBC came do
look at streaming. I wonder why MP3 wasn't the
Hi guys,
I've just recently upgraded to the v7.2 SqueezeCenter on my MacBook.
The install seemed to go smoothly enough but when I hold down the
'Brightness' button on the remote to perform the required software
update on the SB3 itself, nothing happens. The 'Software Update Press
and Hold
ModelCitizen;335135 Wrote:
Apart from MP3? MP3 was very established at the time the BBC came do
look at streaming. I wonder why MP3 wasn't the obvious choice?
Because rights issues meant they at least had to make an attempt to
stop people from saving the streams.
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Yes, it
Would the default install of AlienBBC not be in competition with
SqueezeCentre? I believe this also gives the ability to play BBC
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I wonder why MP3 wasn't the obvious choice?
At the time most users were on dialup - max speed 33-56kbits/sec.
RealAudio has quite sophisticated mechansism to adapt to user
connection speed (the bit rate of the feeds could be adjusted). Also
different codetable within a codecs could be used
nolan;335122 Wrote:
I'm a huge fan of AlienBBC, I'm anazed the userbase is as small as
suggested above.
Maybe the author(s) should put up a donations page. This is one of the
few things I would be more than happy to pay/donate for!
What I think bpa was saying was that there have been
Would the default install of AlienBBC not be in competition with
SqueezeCentre? I believe this also gives the ability to play BBC Radio.
ALienBBC supplements the basic SC offerings.
SC just links into BBC WMA live streams which are only National and the
main one are restricted to UK.
davep;335156 Wrote:
I suspect that the figures would show a significantly larger user base
for the AlienBBC plugin - many hundreds if not thousands.
Where is the installer based? Isn't it on Neil Sleightholm
X2Systems.com web server? If so, it'd be interesting if he had download
figures for
egd;334535 Wrote:
The rest of the world takes Apple seriously in the audio space and we're
concerned with a Logitech logo on a series of very capable network music
players?
The brand and logo issue is a minor gripe, to be sure. :)
The Logitech purchase of SD is a very smart move on their
toby10;335163 Wrote:
The brand and logo issue is a minor gripe, to be sure. :)
The Logitech purchase of SD is a very smart move on their part. With
the help of SD innovative products and streaming/server software we all
hope the Logitech name becomes as serious a name in audio as Apple
I'll reply here since Wiki updating is not recommended prior to morning
coffee :-).
I am using a Linksys WRT 54GS. I have used it with stock FW up until a
month ago with no trouble. A month ago I upgraded to dd-wrt so I could
configure static DHCP addresses. I am using v24sp1 mega build (my
ASS-Ware;335164 Wrote:
I'd still want the Slimdevices logo.
Don't want a Logitech, Microsoft or IBM logo in my living room.
Me too!:)
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I am just about to purchase one of these. I notice the controller has a
headphone socket and the hardware has a DAC. Does this mean I can
stream my music to the controller and listen on headphones. This would
be really useful.
Drongo
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Not yet, but almost certainly in an upcoming software update.
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Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ?
I SAID ALL OF THEM !
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standard linksys wrt 54G.
had everything up and running in about as much time as it took to
download/install squeezecenter and enter the network key into the
controller. Updates to 7.1 and 7.2 have been pretty painless.
I made sure to configre the AV and firewall exceptions as per the
remd;335123 Wrote:
I had this happen to the ~3 Duets I updated so far to 7.2.
The Settings menu disapears after the update to 7.2.
It comes back after a reboot though.
Has anyone else noticed this ?
if so I'll open a bug.
I had trouble connecting to SC after 7.2 and rebooted, then
hugo29;284820 Wrote:
Hi again,
I have about 10 radio stations which I listen to regularly. I would
like to add those directly under the Internetradio folder.
I was hoping that after upgrading to SC7 I'd have the possibility to
add stations directly to the Interneradio menu/folder. Isn't
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What is that ?
It asks me to download a .7z file.
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ASS-Ware;335183 Wrote:
What is that ?
It asks me to download a .7z file.
Archiving format
http://www.7-zip.org/7z.html
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aubuti;335005 Wrote:
actually the surprise was associated with the release of 7.2, and yes,
that surprise was the Boom. What, you wanted a pony or something? ;o)
if you're thinking about activation of the SBC headphone jack, that has
been pushed back. Maybe 7.3, but I'm not betting my
i've got both types of SB3.
the best bit about the original is the Slim duster cloth.. Now a
collector's item. i'll sell you mine for $200.00.
the logitech version has a much nicer remote control unit. There should
still be a half width case made for us cyrus and Naim owners.
the sound hasn't
I use a Buffalo WHR-HP-G54 with Tomato 1.18 firmware.
Running in Mixed B/G mode.
WPA Personal AES encryption.
SSID is broadcast.
No MAC filtering.
I have QoS switched on but use just the default rules (plus one for
Skype) - certainly none to expedite Squeezebox traffic.
I was careful to select a
I've managed to get things working again by reverting to SC 7.0. (Which
has the v86 firmware which is currently installed on my SB3). I think
I'll leave it there until I can figure out what is wrong.
Lefty
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My random wireless crashes seem to be gone, however, now I cannot play
flac files. Here is some of the errors in the log [this is running on a
mac mini with os x]
[08-09-01 10:09:17.8364] Slim::Schema::throw_exception (236) Error:
Carp::Clan::__ANON__(): Error executing 'INSERT INTO
ASS-Ware;335187 Wrote:
A format that I can't use.
Eh, why not? :P
Winrar et al can open those archives.
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egd;334535 Wrote:
The rest of the world takes Apple seriously in the audio space [...]Not
really.
Krell, Conrad Johnson etc is serious audio, Apple is not :)
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A logitech brand beer would be really, really nice
Only if it was made in Germany or the Czech Republic
No, Switzerland would be best.
Tom
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I noticed that the new SqueezeBox Boom now has it's very own Slim
Devices forum section and I was wondering why none of the other
devices, like the SqueezeBox Classic, The Duet or the Transporter, have
their forum sections. I think this would be very useful, especially for
the Transporter since
I'm getting closer and closer towards releasing iSqueeze, a remote app
for SqueezeCenter for the iPhone/iPod touch. I expect to be ready for
beta testing in a couple of weeks, so if you're interested in trying it
out, please let me know in this thread or via PM. I'm looking for 5-10
beta testers
I was searching for a way to select firmware and found this thread where
you had experimented with earlier versions of the FW. It may be
unlikely, but I wonder if your problems could have originated there.
At any rate, it seems like you could use the same method to load the
7.2 firmware, but
Uluen;335210 Wrote:
Eh, why not? :P
Winrar et al can open those archives.
Why not ?
Because Winrar is not freeware and Windows XP and 2003 supports ZIP by
default without any extra cost.
I don't see the benefit of other compression formats so I refuse to buy
WinRar.
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Builder Brad;91180 Wrote:
The Squeezebox is such a great piece of kit!
now I have most of my Cd collection ripped and have replaced the Cd in
my main system i am now looking at additional units around the house.
I am looking for a waterproof remote control for the SB2 to use in a
hot
ASS-Ware;335225 Wrote:
Why not ?
Because Winrar is not freeware and Windows XP and 2003 supports ZIP by
default without any extra cost.
I don't see the benefit of other compression formats so I refuse to buy
WinRar.
7-zip can also open them and that is free.
http://www.7-zip.org/
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ok, im from the uk and have a problem with my duet receiver, ive tried
to call the support line but there is a pre recorded message saying
that they are closed for the holidays. Being from the UK im unaware of
any holiday at this time and wonder how long the holiday will be? Is it
thanksgiving in
Could well be Skunk. My SB3 has been a little 'clunky' since I started
experimenting with different firmware versions. (I'll leave well alone
from now on!)
I tried resetting using both the hold 'Add' and hold '1' methods but to
no avail. I'm happy enough in that my SB3 works again but it appears
andynormancx;335229 Wrote:
7-zip can also open them and that is free.
http://www.7-zip.org/
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I use two Netgear WG602s to cover upstairs and downstairs and they work
fine with the Duet and SB3. They are plugged into a Draytek two line
ADSL router.
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TranquilPC - SB3 - Bose Companion 3
I recently upgraded Squeezecenter 7.0 to 7.2. I found that after the
upgrading, the squeezebox's digital output will not power off, after
shutting down the squeezebox using the controller. Before the upgrading
this was not a problem. In both cases (7.0 and 7.2) I have the option
'disable outputs
It's Labor day, they'll be back tomorrow.
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davis;335128 Wrote:
I created a patch a little while ago:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=45088
Never seemed to catch on though...
Why not package it as a plugin?
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fredz;335064 Wrote:
I am thinking of putting up a Squeezecenter server (for my own use) at a
remote location. Can I use it with a Squeezebox by connecting to it over
the internet?
Sure.
If so, what upstream bandwidth would be required (just 1 client
simultaneously),
Depends on the
If you have a playlist with your favourite stations you can *import* it
in My Radio Stations from that file.
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Upgraded to 7.2 and CBC Radio 3 is still not listed.
http://radio3.cbc.ca/nmcradio/webradio.m3u
http://radio3.cbc.ca/nmcradio/webradio.m3u
Can the developers add this internet radio station to the next upgrade?
Thanks.
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Skunk;335249 Wrote:
Other than that :-)
When I've had that problem pushing and holding the button on front
until it flashes sometimes helped.
ive tried that, ive tried holding for longer, no matter how long i push
that button it just flashes red. not fast, like its waiting to be
Hi,
would this pseudo function meet all (listed) requirements?
Code:
request_mip_mix(seed-track/album/genre)
if (seed-track/album/genre = playing)
number-of-tracks-to-request=n+1
call-mip-api
remove-first-track-from-response
else
That's great. Can you play back on the iPhone/Touch directly, or does
it just control?
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Thanks Phil. Sounds like the audio performance is excellent for the form
factor.
I've posted my next question in that thread.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=335297postcount=25
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ok thanks for some advice, ive tried using wired connection instead of
wireless first off. The strange thing is that it has been working for
about a week without problem. it wasnt until i switched it off to take
it upstairs that ive had the problem.
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did this work?
to recap:
for file in *jpg
do
ARTIST1=${file#*- }
ARTIST=${ARTIST1%.*}
ALBUM=${file% -*}
NEWDIR=`ls -d ../../Music/Flac/$ARTIST/$ALBUM*`
if [[ -d $NEWDIR ]]
then
mv $file $NEWDIR/cover.jpg
fi
done
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I am observing the same missing spaces issue (although in truth, to
me they just look like very small spaces). I tried removing fontcache
and restarting SC, but the issue persists.
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 2:28 PM, aubuti
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pablolie;334379 Wrote:
But with 7.2 running on
Yes, but I am connecting my Transporter remotely, I am not using
Softsqueeze. Anyway, it works, kind of. I can access my library, but
when I select a station or track, nothing happens. It buffers the
stream and says 'Playing' but can't hear anything. The player is
identified as NULL in
radish;335244 Wrote:
It's Labor day, they'll be back tomorrow.
oh, and thank you. ;)
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I installed Squeezecenter 7.2 this week (7.2-22900@ Tuesday Aug 26). It
installed without a hitch, but when I am rescanning the library (i am
using Itunes) it does not complete the scan. The rescan of the library
was working OK after the initial install of Squeezecenter 7.2 but seems
to have
Success - I followed the instructions for a clean install and bingo!
I now have v112 of the firmware and SC 7.2.0 running happily :-)
Lefty
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You can also always go to SN to get the latest firmware (but you will
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Seb, just to get your idea: When do you want to use the play/add keys?
On the previously created Mix:-playlist (presshold the play key on
the remote, Create MusicIP Mix on the controller or the M-Icon in the
webinterface) or somewhere before?
It is my understanding we have two different issues
Hi! It worked! All my .jpg and .png are moved to the correct folders.
This is great. Thanks for your help and all the best!
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ASS-Ware;335183 Wrote:
What is that ?
It asks me to download a .7z file.
Strange, gave me a .zip file.
Inside that is a .ai which is an Adobe Illustrator file. I'm guessing
it is a vector drawing of the SlimDevices logo which you could supply
to a screen printing shop to get the logo on
thesil;335265 Wrote:
I am deathly afraid of downloading the new 7.2. Last time I downloaded
the latest version, it screwed everything up on my controller. I had
to do a clean reinstall and lost everything. I think I will leave well
enough alone.
Thats obviously a very serious issue, did you
Uluen;335213 Wrote:
Not really.
Krell, Conrad Johnson etc is serious audio, Apple is not :)
aa, but you're not Joe Bloggs consumer...
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thesil;335265 Wrote:
I am deathly afraid of downloading the new 7.2. Last time I downloaded
the latest version, it screwed everything up on my controller. I had
to do a clean reinstall and lost everything. I think I will leave well
enough alone.
You could try backing up your existing
funkstar;335395 Wrote:
Strange, gave me a .zip file.
Inside that is a .ai which is an Adobe Illustrator file. I'm guessing
it is a vector drawing of the SlimDevices logo which you could supply
to a screen printing shop to get the logo on anything you wanted.
Your browser/OS must be
For many weeks now I have been unable to update my Duet to the latest
software which seems a pretty common problem on this forum.
Having tried everything I have found an INSTANT solution.
I simply registered my Duet on my already existing Squeezenetwork
accout, within minutes the upgrade was
Hi there,
I've just updated to 7.2. as I've just ordered my SBB ! I have a small
gap when I skip to next/previous song. I also can hear a tiny pop: I
see that my amp don't receive the signal when I hear that noise.
I use Apple Lossless Win XP SP2 + several plugins.
I had a similar problem
andynormancx;335406 Wrote:
Your browser/OS must be fibbing to you, it is definitely a .7z file.
The Illustrator file is editable with the open source Inkscape vector
editor.
http://www.inkscape.org/
Opera 9.52 on XP. I think Opera lied :)
Illustrator files are great like that, they are
On 1-Sep-08, at 3:12 AM, ModelCitizen wrote:
This is all very good to know.. and in the main quite reassuring.
Thanks
bpa. I guess Mr Triode is a Logitech employee then?
not yet. one of the few truly third-party major contributors
remaining (unless something changed recently)
-k
Boom Line Out item top level menu addition:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9357
General player menu enhancement:
http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9358
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On 1-Sep-08, at 8:29 AM, Ross Malegus wrote:
Upgraded to 7.2 and CBC Radio 3 is still not listed.
http://radio3.cbc.ca/nmcradio/webradio.m3u
Can the developers add this internet radio station to the next
upgrade? Thanks.
you can use radio tune-in menu item any time you like, then add to
I'd be interested in checking out the beta. We have both an iphone, an
iPod touch and 3 squeezeboxes in our house.
As for price, I'd say anything under £5 is impulse buy territory for me
so call it £4.99 and you have a sale!
Of course this depends on the functionality compared with iPeng but it
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