nt would be
helpful both for Django itself and the broader community of 3rd party apps
and backends.
Thanks in advance for considering re-opening this ticket.
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> Having some kind of defacto cross-request notification system makes
> sense; it's a very common usage pattern.
> Attaching these kind of messages to a User instance is wrong: there is
> not an enforced one to one
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> You also mention that there are a number of other implementations, but
> you haven't really given a compelling survey or analysis of the
> alternatives - you've just blessed one in particular. Why?
>
I
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> Vaclav
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> > > You also mention that the
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> In reality, I get a ping time closer to 300 ms. And that's to a
> high-end data center under ideal conditions - it can be much larger if
> I'm dealing with low end providers.
>
What?? 200 ms is the average
+1 for signed cookies. Your API looks reasonable and I'd agree that
set_cookie(..., signed=True) fits better with the rest of the API as well.
What about some sanity checking to make sure that, if SECRET_KEY is used, it
is, at the very least, a non-empty string?
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 1:18 PM,
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 5:33 PM, Chris Beaven wrote:
>
> Personally, I don't see much point in specifically reporting on
> incorrectly signed cookies - imo they should just be treated as if
> they never existed. If someone really cared, they can look in
> request.COOKIES to
ailure means, for anyone who didn't write the test, can be the
difference between a 2 minute fix and a half hour+ debugging session.
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>
> * Coming to consensus on what 3rd party app we actually choose to
> extend/modify to fit into Django
>
> * What to do with the existing user
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> The proposal per your email is more or less how django-notices works.
For comparison I added django-notices to the Available Options:
http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/SessionMessages#AvailableOptions
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at criterion in the wiki:
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In case it's not already on someone's radar, the patch on this ticket
could use a review at some point:
http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/9310
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Another quick bug fix that should be ready for review/check-in:
http://code.djangoproject.com/ticket/11872
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the extra database or cache hit.
It seems well worth it to me and there are solutions out there that
try to store the messages in a cookie and then fall back to the
session for longer (>4kb) messages.
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. The criteria on the wiki page say as much, but I
should probably clarify that django-notify does not actually provide
any default levels/classes/tags yet. Thanks for the feedback.
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next request, and in most other cases removed on the subsequent
request (e.g., in the case of 2+ chained redirects).
The point is just to keep them around until they're actually
displayed, not indefinitely.
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{% regroup %}.
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's assume it will not be included unless
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I like #2, provided that the default logging handler in Django is a
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with user.message_set (and
potentially deprecate the old API) is a key priority and something we
DO need to hammer out more. That said I think we can get it done.
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kend)?
I put up a skeleton of a plan (not much more than what I sent before)
on the wiki:
http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/SessionMessages#DeprecationPlan
There are still a few things missing (like what apps actually need to
be updated) but hopefully that'll provide us a place to keep track of
the
great. Can't wait to see
> something like it make it's way into core.
That's an option. It's short and doesn't conflict with anything that
I know of. I added a section to the wiki with potential app names:
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, do you have any wisdom to share about this? I expect it may be
complicated because I can't think of a clean way to get the current
request (and hence the session messages variable) inside the User
model.
Maybe I'm missing something.
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me static files which has
> no variable,and it's so easy for you guys, isn't it?
This would be a lot easier to discuss if you (or someone else) can
show us (a) an implementation of such a tag, and (b) some profiling
numbers that demonstrate significant savings with your method.
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ut that seems like a big jump.
I updated the branch to do basically this, but nothing is set in stone.
Thoughts?
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there'd be no way to get a message into the cookie or session storages
without the middleware).
Now that I think about it, this is probably what you meant and just
wanted to make sure the messages context_processor will do the same
thing. I'll update the code.
Tobi
e of so many web sites
>
> I'm -1 on adding django-registration to contrib.
Agreed. The "pluggable work flow" that is Django itself works quite
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specific implementation that doesn't really suite your needs. So
what's the big rush?
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yet, but I bet a winner will emerge in time.
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> want to create awful UIs who are we to stop them? Other devs trying to
> quickly prototype code or who just don't need prettier layouts hit
> major roadblocks here. Django should easily handle the common cases,
> not try to enforce good
; This is clearly a better solution.
> >
> > I'm no designer either but I perhapsit could do with a bit of attention
> from
> > one, I'm not that keen on the red (pink?) and green mix.
> >
> > Also, documentation will be needed so users know what the colours mean
>
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> > "bad" an
true.
Sounds better to me as well; I'll make the change.
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> ready for a the full latex-glove treatment, let me know. :-)
>
Will do. I have a little cleanup to do regarding EOFMessage per some
feedback from Luke Plant but I
from the same client.
Again, the only thing I can think of that still needs to be worked out is
the details of the API and whether or not it should be decoupled from
request. I'm in favor of the idea, I'm just not sure what solution makes
the best sense yet (see above).
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Good catch. fail_silently sounds good to me. I'll add.
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> The simplest solution is to catch the exception in the gene
It's also a good thing, I realized last night, because it means one can use
messages from a reusable app without requiring that all projects using the
app enable messages.
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s the behavior of the previous implementation. Am I missing
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Is there a page where one can find a quick summary of the proposed API?
I have some concerns about implementing partitioning through the admin, but
I expect there's something I'm missing.
For those who haven't been, following the conversation closely it'd be nice
to have a quick way to come up
given model.
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> > Is there a page where one can find a quick summary of the p
upport in an
elegant, extensible way that also fixes other issues with the current
implementation (namely, the admin).
That said, figuring out the right way to implement it is still up in
the air. I proposed a separate setting; Paul proposed one integrated
with the DATABASES setting. There are
king?
> Monkeypatch it? Make patched version for each app? Well, then please
> provide a method which will do this override for all models if called
> from a single place in project, probably, settings.
>
> In large projects, single point of override on per-project basis is
> req
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Good call, added, thanks.
Other than the question about renaming storage -> backend I think we
are close to prime time. Let me know what you think.
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> backend, so thanks for picking this up Luke.
>
> I don't have m
ds compatibility issues
to deal with, but that's an issue the project will have to take on in
a much larger way regardless when/if backend standardization becomes
an established goal.
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Just wanted to add that the decision need not go either way; one possible
solution would be to leave it up to the implementation and live with both
conventions in the core.
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ttle dicey,
however, as commit granularity in terms of features (even small bug
fixes) is usually a Good Thing.
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>> <freakboy3...@gmail.com> wrote:
>&
a deprecation warning now
(since it is using deprecated code, after all)? Alternatively, since
the warning may be a little obscure (the user is not using message_set
directly), we could make LegacyFallback itself raise a deprecation
warning.
That would encourage folks to move to Fallback sooner r
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Branch and go?
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I am by no means an expert on the matter, but I remember seeing a comment
awhile back suggesting that it generally makes more sense to fix the 2to3
script than to maintain two branches of the same library. Might that be the
case here as well?
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If I recall correctly, the resolution was basically "not in this phase,"
i.e., this is something to be worked out in a future release of Django.
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http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/internals/contributing/#ticket-triage
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Tobias
On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 7:30 AM, Tobias McNulty <tob...@caktusgroup.com>wrote:
> In case it's not already on someone's radar, the patch on this ticket
> could use a review at some point:
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testing!).
Could someone with oracle knowledge take a look at this ticket? Given that
the "fix" introduces other issues in oracle backend, I hesitate to have this
committed before the oracle issues are resolved.
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On Jul 16, 2010 6:54 AM, "Carsten Reimer"
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Hello,
I am not quite sure if this is the right mailinglist but as long as my
remarks are about a core-component of django I hopefully chose the right
list.
Dealing with
ell without seeing the patch. :-)
Could you stick it somewhere we can see it? Personally I like to see them
in Trac, since it comes with pretty colors. If there isn't a ticket already
out there for this I see no problem with creating one. We can always close
it if it gets rejected.
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> given the discrepancy I'm just curious whether it is in fact a design
> goal to have semantic parity between the backends shipped with Django.
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Rejecting a particular subset of cache keys is also not the greatest analogy
to co-opting configuration values. :-)
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d party app), and I'd hate to
see innovation stifled at this stage by including one of the implementations
in contrib.
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ial-casing timeout=0 for all the other backends seems more like a
feature (and one that may require a lot more discussion, code, and testing
relative to the 1-line memcache fix).
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jango proper. That said, as Russell
suggests, it may be possible to enhance the admin in ways that make writing
third party apps like this easier.
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For the record, it is mentioned. The punishment they tried for a few
releases was denying commits from the developers who did not do their fair
share of testing for 2 weeks after the tree was unlocked for everyone else.
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ea. Like you've been saying, Django trunk does a pretty good job of
staying stable as it is and things seem to get fairly well tested on an
ongoing basis, so I'm not sure it's an issue.
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roblem that everyone has.
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> * Even if it is a common problem, is something where there are many
> possible ways to solve the problem
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+1 leaving navigation outside the core.
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