Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

‎Wow, this made a big impact! Thank you very much everyone, Your experience is valuable and appreciated. Cheers,                                     Mitt  ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

Thanks, that's exactly. I've met some people at local Linux meet, some of them have 20 year experience, yet they don't know that if you have a problem you can write to a mailing list. The same dude, by the way, said that he doesn't like sysvinit and systemd is easier and solves these problems.

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

> 2) Which companies (just for examples) don't require it? Forgot to mention--my local LUG was often attended by people from local software development firms, ISPs, and IT departments. If you're not a member of a LUG yet (or some other computer-related club), signing up for one and getting to

Re: [DNG] devuan-baseconf package versions and repositories

Hi Vicenta, Can you please file an issue report against devuan-baseconf against that project in devuans gitlab? https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/devuan-baseconf/issues Thanks, Daniel On 13/11/15 06:03, Vicente Vera wrote: Hello, Before trying out Devuan I was perusing each

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:02:28 + (UTC) Mitt Green wrote: > Let's imagine: a guy is writing some open-source software, places it on > GitHub or somewhere else, > a firm then comes up and say "hmm, we need a specialist like that, let's > write an email to him". > > Or

[DNG] greybeards

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 01:54:37PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:57:19 +0300 > Mitt Green wrote: > > > ‎I wonder how many people that use Debian for quite long time (since > > 90s or the beginning of this millennium) really like systemd, GNOME3 > > and

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

I thought I should mention, before the towel is irretrievably lost, that you'd probably find a welcome in the devuan project. We tend to respect developers. I thnk you'd find a devuan live CD more to your liking, given current politics. I'll follow with a recent post on the devuan mailing

Re: [DNG] Distros using Devuan as their base

There is "antiX": On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 02:11:23PM -, dev1fanboy wrote: >So far I've noticed there are two distros using Devuan as their base, > >refracta and exe gnu/linux > >Are there others anyone is aware of at the moment? > >

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

Hi Mitt, Questions: > 1) Are there many people without degrees in the industry? > Most software engineers I know have at least a minor in computer science, but have at least a BS or BA in some engineering discipline if they don't have a BS/BA in computer science. I have met a few really

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

Steve Litt writes: > On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:57:19 +0300 > Mitt Green wrote: [...] > :s/greybeards/experienced people having a clue/ > > I'm not saying the following in anger. I'm simply saying it so we don't > accidentally shoot ourselves in the

Re: [DNG] devuan-baseconf package versions and repositories

Sure! Just created an account on GitLab, but somehow I can't access git.devuan.org. I kind of don't know what I'm doing haha 2015-11-12 17:09 GMT-03:00 Daniel Reurich : > Hi Vicenta, > > Can you please file an issue report against devuan-baseconf against that > project in

[DNG] OT: Degree?

Hi everyone‎, This is offtopic. I'm interested in whether college or university degree is necessary to work in IT industry (of any kind: admin, embedded systems developer, driver developer, mobile systems, consulting, hardware etc). Questions: 1) Are there many people without degrees in the

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

When I am faced with a situation where people try to emotionally manipulate and distabilise others, one ugly question comes to my mind: 'As a species, have human beings really reached civility or are they still living with a different form of the rule of the jungle?' Edward On 13/11/2015, Miles

Re: [DNG] Office pack

Hi, Probably related to the thread is a new tool by Markus Teich, sent [0], a killer app for powerpoint and libreoffice-powerpoint and whatever else. [0]: http://tools.suckless.org/sent ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] Interesting read from RMS

Interesting article from Richard Stallman. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/applying-free-sw-criteria.html It starts with: *"For a software package to be free, all the code in it must be free. But not only the code. Since documentation files including manuals, README, change log, and so on are

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

‎I wonder how many people that use Debian for quite long time (since 90s or the beginning of this millennium) really like systemd, GNOME3 and all these controversial things. I haven't met any. And even more, most "greybeards" that I've seen oppose it. Seems like they don't have a right to vote.

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 11:12:02PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > From the day I arrived in Debianland, around 1/1/2014, Debian seemed to > me to be, in the words of Lennart Poettering, "quite a sick place to be > in.". Before I'd heard about systemd, I'd already /dev/nulled about 8 > Debianistas

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

2015-11-12 14:44 GMT+01:00, Emiliano Marini : > Interesting article from Richard Stallman. > > https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/applying-free-sw-criteria.html > > It starts with: > > *"For a software package to be free, all the code in it must be free. But > not only the

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 22:03:31 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > I meant it in a good way if there is, like "most experienced, > mature, knows everything", not to insult someone. > > Veteran is a good word for it actually (-: I was pretty sure you did, Mitt. I just wanted to make

Re: [DNG] devuan-baseconf package versions and repositories

dear Vicente, On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Vicente Vera wrote: > 0.6.4+devuan1 = jessie > 0.6.4+devuan2 = ascii > 0.6.4+devuan3 = ceres > > So to upgrade Wheezy, devuan-baseconf_0.6.4+devuan1_all.deb should be > installed. This way it isn't needed to modify sources.list again, > manually. > > I was

[DNG] Veterans, not greybeards (was: An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?)

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015, Steve Litt wrote: > Additionally, "greybeards" and "neckbeards" pretty much literally mean > "old people", and give credence to the belief that old people can't > code, can't tech, should be put out to pasture. It's this very belief > that motivates organizations to refuse to

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 04:57:19PM +0300, Mitt Green wrote: > ‎I wonder how many people that use Debian for quite long time (since 90s or > the beginning of this millennium) really like systemd, GNOME3 > and all these controversial things. I haven't met any. And even more, > most "greybeards" that

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

At the end of a day maybe it is a conspiracy? △ ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

On 12/11/15 08:44 AM, Emiliano Marini wrote: Interesting article from Richard Stallman. https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/applying-free-sw-criteria.html It starts with:/ / / / /"For a software package to be free, all the code in it must be free. But not only the code. Since documentation files

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

Apologies in advance for digressing, but it honestly amazes me how ignorant and passive Linus and RMS have been about the whole systemd fiasco since it's inception. Also, the one person that really astounded me at his concession to systemd was Shuttleworth. I figured if anyone were going to

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

On November 12, 2015 4:11:27 PM GMT+01:00, Emiliano Marini wrote: >Sadly I must agree with you Linux O'Beardly. Maybe there's much money >in >play? It is not about money. Is about Unity. Which in general is good to preserve over non critical diatribes. But they

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

Papers that show you are experienced? What about certifications? You pay the fee and here you are! Let's imagine: a guy is writing some open-source software, places it on GitHub or somewhere else, a firm then comes up and say "hmm, we need a specialist like that, let's write an email to him".

Re: [DNG] Office pack

Teodoro Santoni writes: > Probably related to the thread is a new tool by Markus Teich, sent > [0], a killer app for powerpoint and libreoffice-powerpoint and > whatever else. In case someone's in need of a killer app: -- #include #include #include #include int

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

Sadly I must agree with you Linux O'Beardly. Maybe there's much money in play? On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Linux O'Beardly wrote: > Apologies in advance for digressing, but it honestly amazes me how > ignorant and passive Linus and RMS have been about the whole

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

Gee i'm glad the world is united and there are no country-borders. Oh, wait... On Thu, Nov 12, 2015 at 12:51 PM, Mitt Green wrote: > This is offtopic. I'm interested in whether college or university degree > is necessary to work in IT industry (of any kind: admin, embedded

[DNG] devuan-baseconf package versions and repositories

Hello, Before trying out Devuan I was perusing each devuan-baseconf version and found out that they differ on which Devuan repository gets written by default to sources.list. This is relevant if you're upgrading to Devuan from Debian Wheezy (oldstable). If you're running Debian stable, testing

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

When it comes to the IT field, it's more about experience and production than formal education. Let's remember that many of the visionaries in the tech industry have little formal education. (i.e. Gates, Jobs, Zuckerberg) I, personally, was trained as a systems engineer at the US Marine Corps

Re: [DNG] Quick start guide to uprading to Devuan and configuring minimalism

Hi, I just finished installation Devuan 1.0 on my i386 laptop. I logged most of the installation steps. Create a bootable USB stick I used Debian Wheezy installer because of few issues in Devuan Alpha version. In Debian installer, I chose Print server, Laptop, Standard system utilities for

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

Starting now, it's probably more necessary than it was 10, 15, 20 years ago. In my entire time in IT, I can count all the people I've ever meet that were born and raised in the U.S.* and with an IT degree on one hand. I've meet plenty with all sorts of other degrees: geology, philosophy,

Re: [DNG] Interesting read from RMS

Jaromil wrote: > Of the three perhaps only Linus did, after > all he is an active programmer and reads > regularly code. But he is refraining from > doing universal statements pro or against > the whole of systemd, while interacting > on details, which I think is wise to do for

Re: [DNG] OT: Degree?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 15:51:23 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > > Hi everyone‎, > > This is offtopic. I'm interested in whether college or university > degree is necessary to work in IT industry (of any kind: admin, > embedded systems developer, driver developer, mobile systems, >

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

On Thu, 12 Nov 2015 16:57:19 +0300 Mitt Green wrote: > ‎I wonder how many people that use Debian for quite long time (since > 90s or the beginning of this millennium) really like systemd, GNOME3 > and all these controversial things. I haven't met any. And even more, > most

Re: [DNG] An abrupt end to Debian Live CD version?

I meant it in a good way if there is, like "most experienced, mature, knows everything", not to insult someone. Veteran is a good word for it actually (-: ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng