Re: [DNG] Yes you have standing to sue GRSecurity.

2017-07-29 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 29 July 2017 at 13:55:54, ni...@redchan.it wrote: > It has come to my attention that some entities are claiming that you, > dear Linux Hackers, (1)need to go through some foundation or get some > permission from upon high in-order to sue the progenitors of GRSecurity Example?

Re: [DNG] Yes I am an attorney. - Re: Identity of OP (Software written by contractors and the 'work for hire') concept - To Bruce Perens

2017-08-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 01 August 2017 at 21:10:10, su...@firemail.cc wrote: > Prescient analysis! (of the legal ramifications of doing nothing in this > case!) > Well done sir! > > How about someone who is studied in the law to a degree greater than a > draft animal responding instead? > > (Basically you

Re: [DNG] "Stretch" plans

2017-07-17 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 17 July 2017 at 15:13:54, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:24:19AM +0100, KatolaZ wrote: > > - Devuan Jessie is the current stable and merges Debian Jessie > > - Devuan Ascii will be the next stable and merged Debian Stretch > > - Devuan Beowulf will be the next

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 with Linux Pro

2017-07-10 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 10 July 2017 at 10:04:59, KatolaZ wrote: > Via @jaromil > > http://www.sparkhaus-shop.com/uk/magazines/linux-magazine-linux-pro-magazin > e/eh30201.html# I'm pretty sure Devuan is on that DVD because of the article about Devuan in the German lanugage version of the magazine:

Re: [DNG] Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-07-15 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 15 July 2017 at 09:42:22, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Nice, nobody replied. Eh? On Friday 14 July 2017 at 18:41:34, Rick Moen replied. I agree very much with his comment: "My impression is that you're talking about something nobody upthread has been talking about, and asserting that

Re: [DNG] udev replacement

2017-07-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 18 July 2017 at 15:59:01, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote: > >- Original Message - > >From: "KatolaZ" > >To: > >Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2017 10:32 AM > >Subject: Re: [DNG] udev replacement > > > >And also, could you please file a bug

Re: [DNG] Sexual politics and society: [was: Forums: was I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii, ]

2017-07-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 16 July 2017 at 19:55:21, Miroslav Rovis wrote: > This modern day and age that we live in, in which perversion is decided to > be normal by a vote of medical scientists, and a vote that was just > slightly in favor (as there were many votes against that decision, just > not the

Re: [DNG] WICD & DNS & IPv6

2017-07-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 19 July 2017 at 21:18:21, KatolaZ wrote: > On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 09:27:37PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2017-07-19 20:48, schrieb KatolaZ: > > > Which Devuan release are you using? > > > > Jessie > > > > > A de-systemd-ised network-manager is in jessie for sure. > > > >

Re: [DNG] WARNING! DO NOT APT-GET UPDATE/UPGRADE ON ASCII

2017-06-28 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 28 June 2017 at 23:38:16, zap wrote: > Regardless, I thank you for forking debian to remove systemd. I know > little of it, I only know it is less secure and slower to boot/more > resource intensive/slower download speed. but thanks I plan to donate to > your cause perhaps even

Re: [DNG] Questions about Devuan installer

2017-07-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 01 July 2017 at 18:17:44, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > I want to install a brand new, Devuan stable Qemu guest, so I have some > questions: > > 1) What's the name of the current stable version? https://devuan.org/ - current stable is “Jessie” > 2) At what URL can I download the

Re: [DNG] Questions about Devuan installer

2017-07-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 01 July 2017 at 18:29:11, fsmithred wrote: > On 07/01/2017 12:17 PM, Steve Litt wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I want to install a brand new, Devuan stable Qemu guest, so I have some > > questions: > > > > 1) What's the name of the current stable version? > > jessie > > > 2) At what

Re: [DNG] Listserver configuration

2017-07-03 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 03 July 2017 at 22:27:44, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Mon, Jul 03, 2017 at 07:09:29PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > > I get lots of those errors in my postfix log: > > > > Jul 3 18:09:16 server postfix/smtpd[2840]: NOQUEUE: reject: RCPT > > from tupac2.dyne.org[178.62.188.7]: 450

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-05 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 05 July 2017 at 10:57:07, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting Antony Stone: > > Would you two please take your personal flame war offlist, and argue with > > each other in private? > > I've twice asked the other gentleman to please go away and argue with > someone

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-07-05 Thread Antony Stone
h each other in private? I think you have both made your points quite sufficiently for the list members to be aware of your opinions, and to decide for themselves how the GPL relates to initrds and distribution. Thank you, Antony Stone -- "In fact I wanted to be John Cleese and it t

Re: [DNG] Systemd: Once again the "not-a-bug" attitude, this time regarding a security issue

2017-07-06 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 06 July 2017 at 00:36:51, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Hello. > > I am more and more considering finally switching to Devuan for all of my > systems. > > The "not-a-bug" attitude upstream developers, especially Lennart, show in > > systemd can't handle the process previlege that

Re: [DNG] Switching

2017-08-05 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 05 August 2017 at 11:28:02, Weaver wrote: > Greetings. > Currently running Debian SID, with separate /, swap, and /home > partitions. > I don't suppose switching is as easy as simply replacing the / partition > with a new install, preserving the old data? Depends what you mean by

Re: [DNG] Excessive bounces

2017-08-02 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 02 August 2017 at 16:21:34, Jaromil wrote: > On Wed, 02 Aug 2017, Emiliano Marini wrote: > >Sorry to bother, but it's the second time this happens to me: > > > >"Your membership in the mailing list Dng has been disabled due to > >excessive bounces The last bounce

[DNG] Gnome, KDE?

2017-06-12 Thread Antony Stone
Hi. https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/stable-2nd-candidate-announce-050517 I notice that the above RC2 release notes say "Removed GNOME, KDE, and Cinnamon as DE options in tasksel. These three DEs are still (mostly) installable after the installation is complete, but they are known to suffer

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 21 June 2017 at 14:44:34, KatolaZ wrote: > Steve Jobs understood that users must be won with eyecandies, and on > that side we will never be able to beat Apple. Not because Free > Software cannot produce better eyecandies, but because the newly-won > users, lured through eyecandies,

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Antony Stone
_(Redewendung) Antony. > Zitat von Antony Stone <antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > > On Wednesday 21 June 2017 at 15:08:38, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > >> This will never happen with Gnome on Linux and some 0815 hardware. > > > > Sorry, what's that? Google d

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-21 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 21 June 2017 at 15:08:38, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > This will never happen with Gnome on Linux and some 0815 hardware. Sorry, what's that? Google doesn't give me any clues... Antony. -- I want to build a machine that will be proud of me. - Danny Hillis, creator of The

Re: [DNG] some ASCII issues

2017-06-23 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 23 June 2017 at 16:06:52, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 22 Jun 2017, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Could that be a side effect of debian/systemd's fusion of /usr with /? > > ?!?!?! did they ?!?!?! > > how is this madness done, via mount -o bind https://wiki.debian.org/UsrMerge >

[DNG] Devuan download mirrors

2017-06-25 Thread Antony Stone
Hi. Can anyone tell me the appropriate contact address to discuss setting up another official Devuan mirror? Thanks, Antony. -- Users don't know what they want until they see what they get. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

Re: [DNG] I have a question about libsystemd0 in devuan ascii,

2017-06-25 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 25 June 2017 at 22:23:24, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 09:23:10PM +0200, Enrico Weigelt, metux IT consult wrote: > > On 22.06.2017 19:53, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > I manage to get a root accout on my phone. But even root only gets > > > selective access to parts of

Re: [DNG] Devuan download mirrors

2017-06-26 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 26 June 2017 at 08:26:30, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sun, Jun 25, 2017 at 11:50:52PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > Can anyone tell me the appropriate contact address to discuss setting up > > another official Devuan mirror? > > if it's an ISO mirror, then th

Re: [DNG] Gnome, KDE?

2017-06-13 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 13 June 2017 08:19:54 Jaromil wrote: > On Mon, 12 Jun 2017, Antony Stone wrote: > > So, are Gnome and KDE currently still "known to suffer from some glitches > > due to the lack of systemd" (and if so, are these documented anywhere)? > > > > Or

Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

2017-06-15 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 15 June 2017 12:23:26 KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:40:32PM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > How does this work out on a Debian system when you select a different DE, > > then? > > You still get gconf, gnome-keyring, and other goodies installed,

Re: [DNG] new dbus packages for ASCII in experimental -- PLEASE HELP TESTING

2017-06-15 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 15 June 2017 11:18:29 KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Jun 15, 2017 at 12:02:02PM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > > > > gconf2 is not installed but gconf-service, gconf2-common and libgconf-2-4 > > are. > > > > Are they really needed? Trying to remove any of them causes > > emacs24/emacs25

Re: [DNG] Another problem with systemd and I will switch to devuan

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:37:31, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 13:56:53 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > > There is no need at all to convert an existing Debian repo to be > > used as a back-end of a Devuan repo. Only a few simple http rewrites. > > ..aye, that's my

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 15:54:16, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 14:35:24 +0100, Antony wrote: > > On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:27:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > ..and we still haven't proven it good enough for many of them. > And that can _only_ happen on Devuan Jessie LTS'

Re: [DNG] What if...

2017-09-18 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 18 September 2017 at 14:27:04, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Mon, 18 Sep 2017 12:59:20 +0100, KatolaZ wrote in message > > > > There is no need to be worried. Devuan Jessie is running on thousands > > of servers out there, as is Devuan ASCII doing. > > ..for _some_ people, this worry is

Re: [DNG] Gnome?

2017-09-19 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 19 September 2017 at 15:16:58, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > On Tue, 19 Sep 2017 15:22:14 +0200 Narcis Garcia wrote: > > > I understand perfectly current situation with Gnome and Systemd. > > But if I cannot offer Gnome 3 to desktop users (or a fork as Mate was > > for Gnome 2), Devuan

Re: [DNG] Yunit

2017-09-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 20 September 2017 at 23:41:15, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2017 20 Sep 06:36 -0500, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Am 2017-09-20 13:08, schrieb Nate Bargmann: > > >I am still puzzled how a desktop GUI can depend on init system. > > >Services, yes, an init, not so much. > > > > Because

Re: [DNG] upgrade from Debian stretch to Devuan ascii?

2017-09-17 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 17 September 2017 at 21:30:16, Adam Borowski wrote: > With KVM, there's no need for X to run as root. I don't see the connection between these two - are you talking about the virtualisation framework and the graphical windowing environment? Unless I've got my abbreviations screwed

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

2017-10-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 08 October 2017 at 03:34:00, Steve Litt wrote: > On Sat, 7 Oct 2017 09:20:18 -0300 > > "Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI" wrote: > > Since I updated my Debian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie I am unable to > > access USB drives to store data. > > My experience is that

Re: [DNG] Life under Devuan is impossible.

2017-10-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 07 October 2017 at 14:20:18, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > Is there a way to move from Devuan Jessie to Debian Jessie without catching > the systemd pox ? Depending on whether you use any applications which have dependencies on systemd, you can certainly run Debian Jessie without

Re: [DNG] Upgrade to ascii not possible?

2017-10-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 12 October 2017 at 17:24:42, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote: > Hello, > > I am trying to upgrade from devuan jessie and get unresolved deps for > rsyslog. aptitude shows: depends on init-system-helpers >= 1.47~ > (UNAVAILABLE) What do you get for each of: aptitude search

Re: [DNG] Upgrade to ascii not possible?

2017-10-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 12 October 2017 at 17:51:44, Yevgeny Kosarzhevsky wrote: > On 12 October 2017 at 23:37, Antony Stone < > > antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > > > I am trying to upgrade from devuan jessie and get unresolved deps for > > > rsyslog. aptit

Re: [DNG] Talos, Intel, libre purism, ...

2017-09-07 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 07 September 2017 at 13:59:01, Narcis Garcia wrote: > This thread has now 86 posts, and I still don't see a solid contribution > to Devuan project. > This makes very heavy to be subscribed in a mailing list for people like > me, that are looking a good alternative to Debian/Systemd,

Re: [DNG] OT: (almost), but tangentially on-topic Re: Purism Librem and disabling Intel ME: it can be done [ Re: TALOS 2 - The Libre Owner Controlled POWER9 Workstation/Server ]

2017-09-07 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 07 September 2017 at 17:34:48, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Fri, 8 Sep 2017 01:23:29 +1000 Erik Christiansen wrote: > > > > Losing your temper in an infantile manner is not. And it won't. > > No I didn't lose my temper, I just shouted because you lot must be deaf. Just because someone

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 22:04:40, Steve Litt wrote: > On Thu, 24 Aug 2017 10:28:55 +0200 > > Antony Stone <antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > > > > 3. To those who have been posting it - please stop, and get back > > on-topic about making Devuan

Re: [DNG] An alternative to renaming [was Re: Proposed change in behaviour for ascii: eudev net.ifnames]

2017-08-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 24 August 2017 at 10:24:56, Narcis Garcia wrote: > ...Wolkswagen Beetle ... > ...Volkswagens of various models > ...mom's 1967 1300 Beetle... > ...Soviet Politburo pictures "evolve"... > ...trump-may-not-survive-his-term-but-the-assassination-complex-will... > ...Italian history

Re: [DNG] URL - The importance of Devuan

2017-12-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 12 December 2017 at 19:29:43, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 12/12/2017, Ralph Ronnquist wrote: > > Edward Bartolo wrote on 12/12/17 07:30: > >> > >> Those are not "bugs" but new features. That is the reason for "wontfix". > > > > Run along, Wally. Let the

Re: [DNG] netiquette

2017-12-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 01 December 2017 at 23:10:10, Svante Signell wrote: > PS: Who is the best female skier currently? Downhill, slalom, cross-country, or other? Antony. -- Is it venison for dinner again? Oh deer. Please reply to the list;

Re: [DNG] two dhcp configurations

2017-12-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 09 December 2017 at 22:34:34, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Somehow I have two dhcp configuration files: > > /etc/dhcp/dhcpd.conf > > and > > /etc/dhcpd.conf > > on my Devuan Jessie system, which was upgraded from Debian preJessie > (I forget what that one was called) > > They have

Re: [DNG] ..proper use of /merged and /devuan, was: Trouble with apt-get upgrade over TOR

2017-10-24 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 24 October 2017 at 21:37:38, lpb+dev...@kandl.houston.tx.us wrote: > I didn't change anything on my side, and now it seems to be working. Please could you clarify what configuration you are using now, so we can know what you haven't changed and is working :) I for one would be

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

2017-10-31 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 31 October 2017 at 16:40:13, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 12:08:55PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > I always try to boot MBR. > > Beyond a certains size of disk you need GPT partitioning. Is it > still possible to use MBR boot on a GPT disk? Yes.

Re: [DNG] Systemd introduces "Portable Services"

2018-05-31 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 31 May 2018 at 18:29:24, Mark Rousell wrote: > And how far from SystemdOS are we? 2 years, IMO. Oh, and I think they'll drop the 'd' from the name. Antony. -- "Measuring average network latency is about as useful as measuring the mean temperature of patients in a hospital." -

Re: [DNG] Debian testing drop redis non systemd

2017-10-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 20 October 2017 at 16:33:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 04:27:44PM +0200, John Hughes wrote: > > Jaromil wrote: > > > I would like to know here if anyone knows in detail the "reasons" > > > Debian is removing the support for sysvinit scripts in the redis > > >

Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing

2017-10-22 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 23 October 2017 at 00:39:29, Fungi4All wrote: > go to devuan''s front page and run a text search for onion > it is right there You mean accessing the Devuan repositories via the Tor network? That's a network routing question, not a repository question. Antony. > >

Re: [DNG] Amprolla3 is out for testing

2017-10-22 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 22 October 2017 at 23:28:51, Fungal-net wrote: > I am still unclear on what the onion repositories are Me too - what are you referrring to? > and what our choice is at this stage. Are we on amprolla3? Well, according to what I've seen on the list so far, if you have

Re: [DNG] upgrade to ascii

2017-12-31 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 31 December 2017 at 19:02:41, Hendrik Boom wrote: > So is this what I should have in my /etc/apt/sources.list to upgrade > from jessie to ascii? > > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main > deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main > deb

Re: [DNG] Ascii clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme (with OB)

2018-01-04 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 04 January 2018 at 21:31:37, fsmithred wrote: > On 01/04/2018 12:59 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > the ascii clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme for openbox > > https://transfer.sh/RMGzg/clearlooks-phenix-darkpurpy-theme_7.0.1-1+devuan2 > .0_all%20%282%29.deb > > > That

Re: [DNG] Any idea

2018-01-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 08 January 2018 at 23:17:39, Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI wrote: > when ASCII will be declared stable ? It'll be declared stable when it turns out that it is stable. If we could predict that sort of thing in advance, I think we'd be making a lot more money than we do now. > Is it a question

Re: [DNG] repackaging tutorial

2018-01-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 09 January 2018 at 13:43:58, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Are there instructions somewhere for taking apart a Debian package, making > changes, and building a Devuan package? There's no difference. A Devuan package is a Debian package. Any tutorial / howto / documentation for fiddling

Re: [DNG] Should I, or should I not, make a Devuan VimOutliner package?

2018-01-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 09 January 2018 at 16:52:35, Steve Litt wrote: > Hi all, > > BACKSTORY... > > I'm the *originator* of VimOutliner, an outline processor that uses the > Vim engine. VimOutliner's top priority was authoring speed. That > priority drove most VimOutliner keyboard commands to begin with a

Re: [DNG] bluetooth hci0: firmware: failed to load intel/ibt-12-16.sfi

2018-01-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 08 January 2018 at 17:20:42, Lars Noodén wrote: > The Blueman Assistant appears to let me turn the bluetooth adapter on or > off. However, when I go to actually set up a new device, it claims no > adapters found. > > bluetoothctl can connect to the daemon but cannot find any devices

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] RFC: Draft call to action for interested users to test elogind/policykit1 with various desktop environments

2018-01-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 20 January 2018 at 13:17:01, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Where are these virtual machine images? Are they for Qemu? What VM images are you referring to? Which posting are you replying to? I've not seen any postings here pointing or referring to VM images... Antony. -- I conclude

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

2018-01-21 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 22:19:55, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sun, Jan 21, 2018 at 08:39:18PM +0100, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 20:32:14, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based > > &g

Re: [DNG] raspberry pi 3

2018-01-21 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 21 January 2018 at 20:32:14, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Now I get to wonder which Debian release the current Raspbian is based on, > so I can guess which Devuan release to migrate to. I thought they were all pretty well labelled? The "current" Raspbian

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

2018-01-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 12 January 2018 at 18:23:19, Steve Litt wrote: > Just speaking for myself, because of its deliberate obfuscations making > integration extremely difficult, I don't consider SystemD to be free > software. So what do you classify it as? Proprietary? Closed source? Commercial? What

Re: [DNG] Which is Free, Which is Open Source, is there any difference?

2018-01-12 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 12 January 2018 at 23:28:14, Rick Moen wrote: > I wrote: > > > Don't advance this argument that X isn't free software because its >^ > > source code is too difficult for a third-party fork to adopt and > > maintain in practice unless you're also

[DNG] Fosdem

2018-01-13 Thread Antony Stone
Hi. I'm just wondering whether the Devuan project will have any presence at https://fosdem.org/2018/ to let people know about progress (or even existence)? Antony. -- 3 logicians walk into a bar. The bartender asks "Do you all want a drink?" The first logician says "I don't know." The second

Re: [DNG] Whitelisting?

2018-02-25 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 25 February 2018 at 23:17:40, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > Looking at the recent emails from throwaway mail addresses is it a idea > to moderate all mail except the addresses that are whitelisted? It is > not that hard to recognize someones style of writing and ditch

Re: [DNG] Summary of investigations on Lid open/close in ASCII. A simple solution

2017-12-29 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 29 December 2017 at 10:44:16, Didier Kryn wrote: > Found a simple solution to suspend on lid close: > > 1) uninstall xfce4-power-manager (probably true with power-managers > from other DEs). It doesn't work and it prevents the default acpi > methods to be called. > > 2)

Re: [DNG] Working with ASCII *ERRATUM*

2017-12-22 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 22 December 2017 at 11:53:15, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 22/12/2017 à 08:58, Didier Kryn a écrit : > > PS please find my patch in attachment. > > This was the wrong patch, against /lib/udev/ifupdown-hotplug, > falsely renamed. > > Now I attach the right one. > > Didier >

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 at 16:27:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:21:21 +0200, Adam wrote in message > > <20180620102121.flczbaznhl3mh...@angband.pl>: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 07:09:12AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: > > > >

Re: [DNG] jessie MySQL -> ascii MariaDB

2018-07-30 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 30 July 2018 at 13:45:26, Alexander Bochmann wrote: > Hi, > > I recently updated an old (former) Debian system from Devuan > jessie to ascii. > > As it turns out, its MySQL database still had a root password > in the (very) old format, which isn't accepted by MariaDB. The > upgrade

Re: [DNG] the azeri project is underway. education for programming children with devuan

2018-07-25 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 25 July 2018 at 23:06:14, Carl Fink wrote: > On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 09:15:39PM +0200, Basati wrote: > > > I've already named it: azeri (in Basque it means fox, children will need > > the skills of a fox for this) > > "Azeri" means "A Turkic people of Central Asia, native to

Re: [DNG] running script on eudev event

2018-08-05 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 05 August 2018 at 16:29:05, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote: > I created the following rule as /etc/udev/rules.d/90-usb-keyboard.rules: > ATTRS{idVendor}=="", ATTRS{idProduct}=="", ACTION=="add", > RUN+="/full/path_to/restore_space_as_modifier.sh" > and reloaded eudev (I am on ASCII).

Re: [DNG] running script on eudev event

2018-08-05 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 05 August 2018 at 20:24:30, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 05/08/2018 at 16:29, Antonio Trkdz.tab wrote: > > Dear All, > > > > I am struggling to understand how to run a script automatically upon > > plugging a USB keyboard. > > I know this issue is not directly related to Devuan, but I

Re: [DNG] Linux Without systemd: Why You Should Use Devuan, the Debian Fork

2018-07-26 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 26 July 2018 at 17:16:56, Эльбрус Кондратьев wrote: > It's called 'herd behavior'. Someone told them that systemd constituted > 'the way to go'. Nevermind if that way results irrational. Oh well, at least it wasn't Hurd behaviour, otherwise we wouldn't have an Operating System at

Re: [DNG] Git and git.devuan.org - solved

2018-08-16 Thread Antony Stone
On Thursday 16 August 2018 at 22:04:18, Rowland Penny wrote: > On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 22:56:29 +0300 Lars Noodén wrote: > > On 08/16/2018 09:04 PM, Stefan Krusche wrote: > > > > The staging was the part I missed. It wasn't clear from the > > "git-commit" manual page at all that "git-add" is not

Re: [DNG] running script on eudev event

2018-08-06 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 06 August 2018 at 11:42:58, aitor_czr wrote: > El 06/08/18 a las 10:24, aitor_czr escribió: > > |ACTION=="add", RUN+="/bin/sh -c 'echo "message" >> log_file| > || > ||ACTION=="add", RUN+="/bin/sh -c 'echo "message" >> log_file |'" > > The line was incomplete :) I am very confused by

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

2018-08-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 07 August 2018 at 22:27:25, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting taii...@gmx.com (taii...@gmx.com): > > Cloudflare is such an incredibly obvious intelligence agency ploy to > > gather data but no one talks about this. > > > >

Re: [DNG] Debian blocks latest Intel microcode update

2018-08-22 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 22 August 2018 at 23:32:28, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > Don Wright - 22.08.18, 21:56: > > El Reg has [1]published a disagreement between a Debian maintainer and > > Intel over changes to license terms in the latest CPU microcode > > updates. The added terms (see comments) appear to

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-23 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 24 August 2018 at 00:30:01, David Hoff Jr wrote: > I am trying to install Devuan 1.0 32 bit with the net install ISO. The > install goes fine until I reach the option to choose a repository. > There are 3 options and they all cause an installation failure. Can you be more specific

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan Which version? > on my usual travel laptop Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > a Panasonic FZ-G1 What's the sound chip for one of those? > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-17 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 17 July 2018 at 19:20:08, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-07-17 12:04, spiralofhope wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Jul 2018 01:52:53 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 at 15:16:27 -0400 Steve Litt wrote: > > > > > > > Jimmy, you've just won a free procmail trip to

Re: [DNG] Unswapping interface namesRe: (WAS: what has gone wrong with networking in ascii?

2018-07-15 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 15 July 2018 at 22:03:23, Hendrik Boom wrote: > I got all local services, includig wifi, to work. > > The last holdout seems to have been /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider > > It would have been fouond with one more *: /etc/*/*/* > If this message gets out, it worked. Well done :)

Re: [DNG] I need your help or another developer's help with the project devuan with the children

2018-07-22 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 22 July 2018 at 17:17:43, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: > > On 22 Jul 2018, at 23:17, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > > Doesn't Raspberry pi normally boot from the microSD card it uses for its > > main file system? USB sticks are generally cheaper for the same capacity, and some people

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

2018-09-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 17:21:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Sat, Sep 01, 2018 at 03:27:59PM +0200, J. Fahrner wrote: > > Hi, > > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com > > replyto address

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

2018-09-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 15:27:59, J. Fahrner wrote: > Hi, > my spam blocking rules don't allow a reply-to address to freemail > addresses. Today I received a message from this list with a gmail.com > replyto address (which was rejected). Sounds like you should prefix your blocking rules

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

2018-09-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 01 September 2018 at 15:54:49, J. Fahrner wrote: > Am 2018-09-01 15:35, schrieb Antony Stone: > > I also regard it as very unfriendly for people posting to a list to set a > > reply-to header of anything other than the list address (which is > > redunda

Re: [DNG] How to test the backend of simple-netaid

2018-09-07 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 07 September 2018 at 17:59:39, Edward Bartolo wrote: > On 07/09/2018, aitor_czr wrote: > > El 07/09/18 a las 12:00, Edward Bartolo escribió: > >> Aitor wrote: > >> "I spent a lot of time downgrading the frontend from Gtk3 to Gtk2, > >> because of the general preference in favor of this

Re: [DNG] Can't register to forum dev1galaxy.org

2018-09-07 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 07 September 2018 at 14:12:50, Vorwald Giesser wrote: > Hi, > > I tried to register at https://dev1galaxy.org/ > > There is a field titled "Are you human or robot?" What question did you get and what answer did you enter? > Checking if this is requested by a real person and not an

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 00:52:48, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about > a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. If there is a backdoor, and he denies it, then he's hiding something. If he's not hiding anything,

Re: [DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 22:10:03, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Tue, Jul 10, 2018 at 01:12:58AM +1000, terryc wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 16:48:34 +0200 Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > "Since the beginning of the git era (the 2.6.11 release in 2005), a > > > total of 15,637 developers have

Re: [DNG] 1,000(?) eyes security Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 22:53:19, Fungal-net wrote: > On July 9, 2018 11:35 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > > > > > > Quite a number of security holes have been discovered in versions of MS > > Windows over the years, and I'm pretty certain that the vast majority &g

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-08 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > > Good sources Who / where? > > tell me we need our own kernel, > > Why? What's wrong with the available ones? > > > Alessandro Antony. -- "Measuring average

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 12:42:40, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:16 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > There are lots of people out there who understand a lot more about the > > Linux kernel than many of us here. I simply decided to trust them, > > collectively, because I know that nobody can

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 12:53:01, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 07/09/2018 03:22 AM, KatolaZ wrote: > > > > I guess we need to calm down a bit here? Martin expressed his > > view. You Jimmy expressed yours, and nobody asked you to get/stay out > > of the way. I presume you should give to the

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 13:02:23, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > what I know is out there for all to read. So give us some URLs to what you have already found. Or are you just trying to waste our time? Antony. -- The first fifty percent of an engineering project takes ninety percent of the time,

Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 13:13:55, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > I was told this group has enemies, Well, at least we've now clearly identified one of them. > bye, bye. Thank $deity for that. Antony. -- Pavlov is in the pub enjoying a pint. The barman rings for last orders, and Pavlov jumps up

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 09:53:06, KatolaZ wrote: > On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 01:17:58AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > [cut] > > > > Something way over my head. > > > Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? > > > Maybe someone fr

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

2018-07-09 Thread Antony Stone
On Monday 09 July 2018 at 16:10:02, Alessandro Selli wrote: > Actually the Linux kernel is the most scrutinized and secure piece of > software that's around. Interesting claim. Citation/s? Antony. -- Don't procrastinate - put it off until tomorrow.

Re: [DNG] Official devuan works on raspberry pi 3 B.

2018-01-23 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 24 January 2018 at 01:09:39, Hendrik Boom wrote: > Worked like a charm. Now I have a very minimal text console. I know > where to go from here. My wife has commandeered the HDMI television for > the evening. I'll get on with it tomorrow morning. > > Probably start with the

Re: [DNG] Unable to Install

2018-04-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 12:46:26, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote: > in my experience, 9 out of 10 times 'unable to use USB stick for booting' > is just partition layout (partition not starting on 4MB interval or wrong > type/flags) How can that happen when you download an ISO image and put it

Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?

2018-04-14 Thread Antony Stone
On Saturday 14 April 2018 at 16:49:35, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote: > > What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than > > KDE/Plasma? > > Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tldr Antony. -- This email was

Re: [DNG] Mozilla is at it again - Firefox nightly sends all your hostname lookups to cloudflare

2018-04-01 Thread Antony Stone
On Sunday 01 April 2018 at 16:13:10, aitor_czr wrote: > On 31/03/18 20:54, Rick Moen wrote: > > > Yes, and your point is? > > My point of view, you mean? > > By downloading CentOS software, you acknowledge that you understand all > of the following: CentOS software and technical information may

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