Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On 11/22/18 11:36 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ I'm just a user and not sure about the discussion. But if this has something to do with permissions, well I'm used to su to root and do what ever I want to do. Things have changed, now I need to sudo to run 'upgrade-system', it does a dist-upgrade and runs deborphan with the one command. But I can still su and run aptitude. On this system fully upgraded and cleaned today. Ignore the above post. It was a fluke, I've tested two more systems with no problem running anything after I su to root and that's a good thing. :) Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Ceres - Trinity R14.0.6 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] no-usr-merged: let's get concrete
On 11/19/18 3:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi All, in the last few days we have seen many people going at lengths with the pros and cons of a non-merged usr. That has been a great discussion. We have put together a solution that consists into choosing if you want merged-usr at install time. It's available in the current unstable installer: https://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan/dists/unstable/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/mini.iso It would be great for the vocal support against usr-merge to become a concrete piece of help to maintaining choice in Devuan. So if you care, please install beowulf/ceres using the mini.iso above and help testing all the possible scenarios of non-merged /usr, to discover any potential issue/breakage there. Note: the mini.iso is a barebone netinst, and tasksel does not currently work (I am on that). The "Package selection" step will fail. Just skip it, continue with the installation, and then install stuff with apt-get after reboot. Please report bugs on https://bugs.devuan.org. We are currently upgrading many packages in unstable, including reportbug, so either use the reportbug version from ascii or just use reportbug to prepare the report and then send the email it creates to submit[at]bugs.devuan.org Your help is very welcome. HND KatolaZ I'm just a user and not sure about the discussion. But if this has something to do with permissions, well I'm used to su to root and do what ever I want to do. Things have changed, now I need to sudo to run 'upgrade-system', it does a dist-upgrade and runs deborphan with the one command. But I can still su and run aptitude. On this system fully upgraded and cleaned today. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Ceres - Trinity R14.0.6 - Intel T5250 - GM965/GL960 - EXT4 at sda7 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] util-linux needs an upgrade on ceres
On 10/31/18 12:21 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 14:34:47 -0400, Steve wrote in message <20181031143447.2b764...@mydesk.domain.cxm>: On Wed, 31 Oct 2018 17:04:18 +0100 KatolaZ wrote: On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 12:16:30PM +0100, aitor_czr wrote: Hi KatolaZ, On 10/30/2018 01:52 PM, KatolaZ wrote: Hi Irrwhan, you are right. Working on it. Update soon. Sorry for the inconvenience. HND KatolaZ I'm removing the 'su' files from shadow (login). An empty dummy package for udevin Ceres is required too. Otherwise, debootstrap will not work: libudev1.so exists in both udev and eudev. Dear aitor, this should be solved now, at least for amd64, and at least for the base system. Please be aware that there might be some breakages on ceres as we are working to update it to the current state in sid in the next few weeks. HND KatolaZ So then this would be a good time for me to upgrade to ceres for my runit script project, right? ..how many of you guys here on dng are on ceres? I have it installed with kde-plasma-desktop but hate to use it, resizing windows is a bitch, mouse pointer slips off window edge and plasma crash always. -- Jimmy Johnson GhostBSD - KDE 4.14.38 - Intel Core i7 - XFS at ad0a Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Well, this is interesting
On 10/30/2018 03:56 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Sun, 28 Oct 2018 20:58:47 +, Rowland wrote in message
<20181028205847.7fac4...@devstation.samdom.example.com>:
IBM is buying Red Hat.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-28/ibm-is-said-to-near-deal-to-acquire-software-maker-red-hat
Rowland
...and may be "coming for Red Hat developers … sometime in 2019?:
https://devclass.com/2018/10/29/ibm-targets-red-hat-developers-sometime-in-2019/
I see nothing in this for the older user who wants a nice quite
computer, without background activity. I do hope IBM will welcome User
input.
I am partial towards IBM, they helped me with my education and without
their help I would not have been able to build my first
computer('75-'76). I feel they are open and trusting to keep a secret.
At the same time they will be developing a automated snooping
system-device, I say device because it's using the hardware drivers to
bind with the hardware for it's own use, has nothing to do with what the
user wants or needs to do and taking the data to cloud and who will they
deal with, suspect they are planning on .gov for a lot of money and will
they deal with MS, etc.? Who's in?
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Re: [DNG] Speak now, or forever hold your peace
On 10/24/2018 04:21 AM, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: Hi, Jimmy Johnson writes: On 10/23/18 3:58 PM, Steve Litt wrote: using logger to capture stdout and stderr Steve, I found this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/124455/linux-how-to-redirect-stdout-stderr-to-logger What software do I need to install to follow you? Package 'logger' is a bit obscure. On a Devuan system, none. The bsdutils package which includes the logger command as well as bash and dash are essential packages. These are always installed no matter how minimal your Devuan install is unless you go out of your way to remove them forcibly. Hope this helps, -- Olaf Meeuwissen, LPIC-2FSF Associate Member since 2004-01-27 GnuPG key: F84A2DD9/B3C0 2F47 EA19 64F4 9F13 F43E B8A4 A88A F84A 2DD9 Support Free Softwarehttps://my.fsf.org/donate Join the Free Software Foundation https://my.fsf.org/join Thank you Olaf, $ logger -h Now to study what this is all about. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - Trinity R14.0.6 - Intel i7-3540M - EXT4 at sda7 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Speak now, or forever hold your peace
On 10/23/18 3:58 PM, Steve Litt wrote: using logger to capture stdout and stderr Steve, I found this: https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/124455/linux-how-to-redirect-stdout-stderr-to-logger What software do I need to install to follow you? Package 'logger' is a bit obscure. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/23/18 11:27 AM, Bastiaan van den Berg wrote: Is there any log of the actual issue? -- buZz I made a post with the log last night, but it's now missing, gone, caput, not even in my sent folder or my draft folder.. Here's the log: [ 213.706282] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 213.994776] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Down [ 214.238328] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 215.912089] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx [ 215.912095] e1000e :00:19.0 eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO [ 215.912130] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 123 was not found when attempting to remove it What you see is I have brought eth0 down, when it gets to disabling TSO is where the kernel has now bound its self to the kernel via the intel driver e1000e and is trying to get HTTP, my system is using a controversial driver e1000e and it's been pointed out by both Linus and lwn.net where they prefer using the older e1000 but your redhat system will choose the e1000e over the e1000. I see the whole redhat system as being controversial myself, and people you think are trying to help, are just seeking info to make things more obscure, they don't want you to see this kind of stuff or people to talk about this kind of stuff. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/23/18 2:19 PM, eric wrote: On 10/23/18 9:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/21/18 2:13 PM, eric wrote: On 10/21/18 11:54 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/21/18 6:24 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 The smart tv has wifi, like all this smart stuff we have today, if First of all it was the Intel system that was giving me the problem, it's now a file server, it's using Trinity desktop on ASCII, the application is 'ksystemlog', and that laptop has 8 systems installed all some kind of KDE and somebody mentioned DRM, I don't know about that, but the behavior was unacceptable, I pulled that laptop and replaced it with another that is not Intel and my system seems normal now even while running the plasma5-desktop, so the problem was intel, driver, firmware, microcode, I don't know, still testing, always testing. Old stable systems like Ubuntu 14.4 + KDE4, Wheezy + KDE4, Devuan Jessie + KDE4 don't seem to have the problem with the Intel HDMI but none of them use kernel version 4.XXX, they are version 2 or 3. All those systems and more are installed on the Intel laptop. Thank you for the information. I downloaded ksystemlog and it is a nice graphical application for viewing many different logs. I think all the computers I work with now are all intel based. I don't run any servers and just support mine and my extended family's computers of whom I have convinced to run GNU/Linux on. My desktop computer uses HDMI to connect to the monitor and I use HDMI on my laptop when using it for presentations. Now have something more to look at to see what is going on "behind the curtain" even though I am sure I will not understand most of it and have to use web searches for messages that look interesting. Thank you, Eric I don't think you will see the audio/video blackout problem with a regular tv, but you may, I have that setup too but not using intel. What I see in the log you should still see, I think anybody using intel will see strange system log just by bringing down eth0 while having no wifi connected, you may have to remark-out hot-plug in /etc/network/interfaces or the device may reconnect whenever you disconnect. What anybody should see when they bring down eth0 is a attempt for the kernel to bring the internet connection back up and will probably succeed, maybe your firewall will stop it from getting outside, maybe not, leave the log open overnight while eth0 is disconnected and you sleep for more reading pleasure. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/23/18 2:19 PM, eric wrote: On 10/23/18 9:24 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/21/18 2:13 PM, eric wrote: On 10/21/18 11:54 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/21/18 6:24 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 The smart tv has wifi, like all this smart stuff we have today, if First of all it was the Intel system that was giving me the problem, it's now a file server, it's using Trinity desktop on ASCII, the application is 'ksystemlog', and that laptop has 8 systems installed all some kind of KDE and somebody mentioned DRM, I don't know about that, but the behavior was unacceptable, I pulled that laptop and replaced it with another that is not Intel and my system seems normal now even while running the plasma5-desktop, so the problem was intel, driver, firmware, microcode, I don't know, still testing, always testing. Old stable systems like Ubuntu 14.4 + KDE4, Wheezy + KDE4, Devuan Jessie + KDE4 don't seem to have the problem with the Intel HDMI but none of them use kernel version 4.XXX, they are version 2 or 3. All those systems and more are installed on the Intel laptop. Thank you for the information. I downloaded ksystemlog and it is a nice graphical application for viewing many different logs. I think all the computers I work with now are all intel based. I don't run any servers and just support mine and my extended family's computers of whom I have convinced to run GNU/Linux on. My desktop computer uses HDMI to connect to the monitor and I use HDMI on my laptop when using it for presentations. Now have something more to look at to see what is going on "behind the curtain" even though I am sure I will not understand most of it and have to use web searches for messages that look interesting. Thank you, Eric I don't think you will see the audio/video blackout problem with a regular tv, but you may, I have that setup too but not using intel. What I see in the log you should still see, I think anybody using intel will see strange system log just by bringing down eth0 while having no wifi connected, you may have to remark-out hot-plug in /eth/network/interfaces or the device may reconnect whenever you disconnect. What anybody should see when they bring down eth0 is a attempt for the kernel to bring the internet connection back up and will probably succeed, maybe your firewall will stop it from getting outside, maybe not, leave the log open overnight while eth0 is disconnected and you sleep for more reading pleasure. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 11:54 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/21/18 6:24 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/10/18 21:10, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I first noticed it while testing Stretch, I run a multimedia setup no problem with Jessie without systemd or wheezy, I was running a intel laptop HDMI to a big screen smart tv, the screen would go black and the audio would stop, I'm not the only on who has seen the problem as it's been mentioned on the Debian mailing list. Since then I have ran it on other systems, like Devuan, PCLinuxOS and Slackware too and have seen the the problem in real time while looking at the system log and I would see the kernel making calls to get a outside HTTP, I bring down my net connection and the kernel calls avahi daemon to bring it back up and make a HTTP connection, I stop avahi daemon and the kernel binds with the NIC and tries to get outside HTTP, that's where my firewall stops it. But the kernel keeps trying over and over and over endlessly to get outside HTTP and all this makes it imposable to watch my movie. Using the Intel laptop was convenient, but I got the idea to try my AMD nvidia desktop, I got the same kernel activity but no interference with audio/video, I'm now using ATI Radeon laptop, works the same as nvidia or maybe it's because their both AMD as I don't have nvidia or ATI running on a intel system that I can test. Questions? Is the cable perhaps 1.4 type with built-in Ethernet? Wonder if that might have something to do with it too. The SmartTV might be doing the communication attempts. Maybe it is trying to tattle on you for using video that it /thinks/ is breaking digital rights.. maybe something else entirely. If the kernel is making the HTTP calls, it might be under direction of the video driver that is able to network with the screen via the HDMI cable. Cheers The smart tv has wifi, like all this smart stuff we have today, if the HDMI cable has internet, I doubt it, just audio and video. Just so everybody knows the laptop for multimedia, amd radeon has a new from scratch install of ASCII, I've let it set overnight with a movie on pause and the log is open and running live and while I've had the net down the log says:eth0 link down, receive packet failed, dhclent failed to send 300 byte long packet over fallback interface(what fallback interface?), and last is send_packet: please consult README file regarding broadcast address. That was the last log, since I brought the net down and it's much, much quieter and seems to be behaving its self and my audio/video seem to be perfect. I have a computer to repair, a laptop with no power, as I suffer spine & nerve damage & constant pain it maybe a all day job. So I will be checking comments when I can. But for ASCII and it seems to be behaving its self, that is great, with the intel its behavior was crazy. Thanks, The whole Intel HDMI Laptop thing I don't think I would have ever seen if not using the HDMI connected to a smart tv, but I put the blame on the Intel system because the kernel activity continue even while HDMI is not in use. Apparently there is some controversy over intel driver e1000 or using e1000e noted by both lwn.net and Linus, apparently e1000e is used even when not needed or wanted. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 2:13 PM, eric wrote: On 10/21/18 11:54 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 10/21/18 6:24 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 The smart tv has wifi, like all this smart stuff we have today, if the HDMI cable has internet, I doubt it, just audio and video. Just so everybody knows the laptop for multimedia, amd radeon has a new from scratch install of ASCII, I've let it set overnight with a movie on pause and the log is open and running live and while I've had the net down the log says:eth0 link down, receive packet failed, dhclent failed to send 300 byte long packet over fallback interface(what fallback interface?), and last is send_packet: please consult README file regarding broadcast address. That was the last log, since I brought the net down and it's much, much quieter and seems to be behaving its self and my audio/video seem to be perfect. I have a computer to repair, a laptop with no power, as I suffer spine & nerve damage & constant pain it maybe a all day job. So I will be checking comments when I can. But for ASCII and it seems to be behaving its self, that is great, with the intel its behavior was crazy. Thanks, Hello Mr. Jimmy Johnson, I am just a casual GNU/Linux user who is very much interested in the Devuan project and I know next to nothing about networking and firewalls. I just use what the default is on installation. I just wanted to ask what log you are viewing and the method you are using to view the log file. I would like to check what kind of messages are being generated on my system. Thank you, Eric First of all it was the Intel system that was giving me the problem, it's now a file server, it's using Trinity desktop on ASCII, the application is 'ksystemlog', and that laptop has 8 systems installed all some kind of KDE and somebody mentioned DRM, I don't know about that, but the behavior was unacceptable, I pulled that laptop and replaced it with another that is not Intel and my system seems normal now even while running the plasma5-desktop, so the problem was intel, driver, firmware, microcode, I don't know, still testing, always testing. Old stable systems like Ubuntu 14.4 + KDE4, Wheezy + KDE4, Devuan Jessie + KDE4 don't seem to have the problem with the Intel HDMI but none of them use kernel version 4.XXX, they are version 2 or 3. All those systems and more are installed on the Intel laptop. The intel laptop log after bringing eth0 down, in this case it seems to be using(Binding with) e1000e(The NIC) to get outside, unless I'm reading this wrong, this is the end of the log: [ 213.706282] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 213.994776] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Down [ 214.238328] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth0: link is not ready [ 215.912089] e1000e: eth0 NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex, Flow Control: Rx/Tx [ 215.912095] e1000e :00:19.0 eth0: 10/100 speed: disabling TSO(Something to do with ethtool in the intel nic driver, the kernel is now using the NIC driver(ethtool) to get HTTP.) [ 215.912130] IPv6: ADDRCONF(NETDEV_CHANGE): eth0: link becomes ready GLib-CRITICAL: Source ID 123 was not found when attempting to remove it --- Worth noting, I've seen the kernel also use avahi-daemon, but the avahi-daemon is not installed on my ASCII, I've also removed avahi-autopid, but I've also stopped avahi-daemon in the past and that's when the kernel did bind with the NIC and ask for a HTTP, and that's what it seems to be doing now, I expect to see bugs up stream, but the kernel binding with my NIC. Why? When I bring eth0 down that means I don't want a internet connection and I expect that choice to honored. Am I wrong? cron was making a lot of noise and I don't use it so I stopped cron in crontab, I don't think I have a reason to run cron? and HDMI is no longer in use, just using laptop speakers and analog output, but the strange kernel behavior still seems to persist. Also worth noting, you used to have to turn things on to get service, now it seems the opposite is the rule, why so much automation. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 6:24 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 21/10/18 21:10, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I first noticed it while testing Stretch, I run a multimedia setup no problem with Jessie without systemd or wheezy, I was running a intel laptop HDMI to a big screen smart tv, the screen would go black and the audio would stop, I'm not the only on who has seen the problem as it's been mentioned on the Debian mailing list. Since then I have ran it on other systems, like Devuan, PCLinuxOS and Slackware too and have seen the the problem in real time while looking at the system log and I would see the kernel making calls to get a outside HTTP, I bring down my net connection and the kernel calls avahi daemon to bring it back up and make a HTTP connection, I stop avahi daemon and the kernel binds with the NIC and tries to get outside HTTP, that's where my firewall stops it. But the kernel keeps trying over and over and over endlessly to get outside HTTP and all this makes it imposable to watch my movie. Using the Intel laptop was convenient, but I got the idea to try my AMD nvidia desktop, I got the same kernel activity but no interference with audio/video, I'm now using ATI Radeon laptop, works the same as nvidia or maybe it's because their both AMD as I don't have nvidia or ATI running on a intel system that I can test. Questions? Is the cable perhaps 1.4 type with built-in Ethernet? Wonder if that might have something to do with it too. The SmartTV might be doing the communication attempts. Maybe it is trying to tattle on you for using video that it /thinks/ is breaking digital rights.. maybe something else entirely. If the kernel is making the HTTP calls, it might be under direction of the video driver that is able to network with the screen via the HDMI cable. Cheers The smart tv has wifi, like all this smart stuff we have today, if the HDMI cable has internet, I doubt it, just audio and video. Just so everybody knows the laptop for multimedia, amd radeon has a new from scratch install of ASCII, I've let it set overnight with a movie on pause and the log is open and running live and while I've had the net down the log says:eth0 link down, receive packet failed, dhclent failed to send 300 byte long packet over fallback interface(what fallback interface?), and last is send_packet: please consult README file regarding broadcast address. That was the last log, since I brought the net down and it's much, much quieter and seems to be behaving its self and my audio/video seem to be perfect. I have a computer to repair, a laptop with no power, as I suffer spine & nerve damage & constant pain it maybe a all day job. So I will be checking comments when I can. But for ASCII and it seems to be behaving its self, that is great, with the intel its behavior was crazy. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 4:15 AM, m712 wrote: This is not related to systemd. It sounds more like Xrandr and pulseaudio/alsa favoring your HDMI more than your laptop. The Linux kernel doesn't "know" about avahi daemon in the sense that there is no code for it in the Linux source tree. Did you ever log those HTTP requests by chance? Thanks for top posting. Yes they are logged and just as I wrote. What part is it that you don't believe? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with
On 10/21/18 3:33 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: KatolaZ - 21.10.18, 11:21: On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 01:43:42AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: […] Dear Jimmy, unfortunately the world is not divided into "good" vs "bad" at all times. A world divided into "good" versus "bad" would be like "black" and "white" to me. That says a lot. Good vs bad to me is more like 1 vs 0 or on vs off, going to hell vs not going to hell. To me black and white is photography, like B vs Color Photograph. But as Red Fox said, Yes, there are nigger's and they come in all kinds of colors. Red Fox was a smart man. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 2:50 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 02:33:33 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message : On 10/21/18 2:16 AM, m712 wrote: Nobody can help you if you don't explain your point. The only thing we got so far is your conspiracy theory of rkhunter masking "false"-false-positives for systemd and an incoherent claim of the Linux kernel doing HTTP requests to somewhere. What makes your post helpful? ..to me, it helps ID you as a wannabe black flag systemd shill fishing with Fox "News" type "news" bait. Bye, felicia. Thanks, never thought of using Fox News, here where I live Fox and CBS are both the same station and location and I have them on twitter. But I'm not a shill and I don't lie. By the way, I know what MS Troll is but what's systemd shill? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 1:19 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi Rick, On 21/10/18 14:42, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was sometime during the development of Stretch. Well they fixed rootkit hunter to not show those problems any longer and so goes systemd, one BIG FAT security problem and has made security software pretty much useless. At lest with a firewall and no systemd you can stop kernel calls to get outside http or at lest I can. I think it's to bad we have to live with a kernel that's passing our activity to outside sources. I have this stuff logged, it can't be denied. I think he means the callout by some systemd setup that does a http or some other test for "connenctivity" ... perhaps it is more than that, but that alone is a concern. It was suggested in /that/ thread to which I think he is talking about, that the test should be to the router or the first outside gateway from your local network. Anyways, I'm not too sure. Cheers Thanks for the post. I first noticed it while testing Stretch, I run a multimedia setup no problem with Jessie without systemd or wheezy, I was running a intel laptop HDMI to a big screen smart tv, the screen would go black and the audio would stop, I'm not the only on who has seen the problem as it's been mentioned on the Debian mailing list. Since then I have ran it on other systems, like Devuan, PCLinuxOS and Slackware too and have seen the the problem in real time while looking at the system log and I would see the kernel making calls to get a outside HTTP, I bring down my net connection and the kernel calls avahi daemon to bring it back up and make a HTTP connection, I stop avahi daemon and the kernel binds with the NIC and tries to get outside HTTP, that's where my firewall stops it. But the kernel keeps trying over and over and over endlessly to get outside HTTP and all this makes it imposable to watch my movie. Using the Intel laptop was convenient, but I got the idea to try my AMD nvidia desktop, I got the same kernel activity but no interference with audio/video, I'm now using ATI Radeon laptop, works the same as nvidia or maybe it's because their both AMD as I don't have nvidia or ATI running on a intel system that I can test. Questions? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 2:16 AM, m712 wrote: Nobody can help you if you don't explain your point. The only thing we got so far is your conspiracy theory of rkhunter masking "false"-false-positives for systemd and an incoherent claim of the Linux kernel doing HTTP requests to somewhere. What makes your post helpful? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 1:00 AM, m712 wrote: Why do you think people will help you if you can't give any specifics and keep shouting expletives at people? Let me know when someone is trying to help? :) -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with
so to say. The rebels against the empire or vice versa – without it even being clear on who played which role. But it never wrote a single line of code or helped even a tiny bit with maintaining a package. So are you ready to just let go of it… and move on with whatever is really important to you? Are you ready to focus on what you self can do, instead of insisting to control how other people spend their time? What do you care? Really what are you doing here? You use Debian upstream. How can you possibly help support a systemd free OS? How can I give you a break Martin? How can you help me think you're one of the good guys? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 12:35 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): Who says you have to read my post You know, never mind. Much is now clearer. What's clearer Rick, how you can save Linux or you've found someone you can't F*** with? Are you a good guy or a bad guy? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/21/18 12:06 AM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like you didn't read or recall the incident I remember. And you have nothing helpful to add? No, I really do not. And I'm not up for groping around in archives for an unspecified and apparently rather bizarre incident. One more time: Are you talking about a Devuan-provided kernel? If so, what 'kernel calls to get outside http' are you talking about it making? Please detail what you're talking about. If you're not talking about a Devuan-provided kernel, what is your point in vaguely handwaving about it here? Who says you have to read my post, what service do you provide to Devuan or Linux, you just here to make noise, you bigger and smarter than me? You mess with me and I'll put you in your place and I don't care who the F*** you think you are or how much money you make or how big your gun is or any other such crap. Does that help? Just encase, what service do you provide and I will apologize if I have miss judged you. :) -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting daemon
On 10/20/18 11:18 PM, J. Fahrner wrote: Am 2018-10-21 08:10, schrieb Steve Litt: In Devuan, what's the command to permanently prevent sysvinit from starting a daemon. man update-rc.d You can remove or disable a service. Jochen Can a person simple remove the 'exe' properties from the rc-* script or just rename it? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!
On 10/20/18 11:07 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 07:50:48 +0200 "J. Fahrner" wrote: Am 2018-10-21 03:41, schrieb Jimmy Johnson: Pottering only selling point was the systemd is faster, my testings on many systems says that's a lie. I'm not saying it can't be faster, while using systemd if I push and hold the on/off switch my computer shuts down fast. If I understand you, you're trying to dump sysvinit because it's old, well it's not nearly as old as me and I can still kick butt and I see nothing wrong using sysv script, as a user it's working for me, simple config I can read and edit. What's wrong with that? +1 I already dumped sysvinit 3 years ago because runit is better for my needs. What I said was that if you like sysvinit, use it, but for gosh sakes don't take the time and energy to modify it or update it or give it systemd features. By the way, you can use runit on top of sysvinit, which is dead bang easy. As a matter of fact, it might be an improvement on pure runit because you can run run-once processes from /etc/init.d/rc5.d, and run supervised, restarting processes with runit. SteveT Steve, I would like to run Devuan with out systemd packages messing with me or my system. Right now I don't think those packages care what init you're using, of course they prefer systemd because systemd can and will change things to accommodate what it wants to do, but those kernel calls do the same thing using those same systemd packages. Me I can stop those service I don't need or want, my requirements are simple, but people running servers, ouch! One other thing I notice is those kernel calls mess with Intel video drivers big time, ATI and Nvidia don't seem to suffer as much. Bottom line is to get Devuan back to what Debian was and dump the systemd packages, all of them and I'm pretty sure there is someone working on Devuan doing that vary thing and I wish I could help, all I know to do is install and test, I've worked close with some past Debian Developers and they used my testing service and took my help while using private email. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
On 10/20/18 8:42 PM, Rick Moen wrote: Quoting Jimmy Johnson (field.engin...@gmail.com): Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was sometime during the development of Stretch. Well they fixed rootkit hunter to not show those problems any longer and so goes systemd, one BIG FAT security problem and has made security software pretty much useless. At lest with a firewall and no systemd you can stop kernel calls to get outside http or at lest I can. I think it's to bad we have to live with a kernel that's passing our activity to outside sources. I have this stuff logged, it can't be denied. I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but: What specifically are you talking about? The first 60% of that paragraph seems to be some sort of odd and rather elliptical complaint about systemd. The latter 40% appears to be a comment (one with no obvious segue from the first 60%) about some sort of bad behaviour by your kernel. Perhaps you wouldn't mind explaining. And perhaps switching to a more meaningful Subject header, while you're at it. (rkhunter throughout its history has had problems with Type I errors aka false positives, and probably that will remain an ongoing problem.) Don't take this the wrong way but it sounds like you didn't read or recall the incident I remember. And you have nothing helpful to add? Errors while testing upstream can tell tales, a lot of adjustments where made to Debian in order to accommodate systemd, I have a hard time seeing where the user received any accommodations. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Who remembers rootkit..
Who remembers when rootkit hunter started showing problems and Debian said they where false positive problems? I think it was sometime during the development of Stretch. Well they fixed rootkit hunter to not show those problems any longer and so goes systemd, one BIG FAT security problem and has made security software pretty much useless. At lest with a firewall and no systemd you can stop kernel calls to get outside http or at lest I can. I think it's to bad we have to live with a kernel that's passing our activity to outside sources. I have this stuff logged, it can't be denied. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!
On 10/20/18 8:17 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 20 Oct 2018 07:19:49 +0200 KatolaZ wrote: Unfortunately, pointing to a bunch of scripts is not enough: It's a starting point. Power-user individuals can start using runit today, with no action by any developers. But wait, there's more... you need somebody who has experience of using runit who is willing to package the whole stuff in a coherent way, IMHO. Do you mean by "the whole stuff", and what do you mean by "a coherent way"? Do you mean packaging each daemon's runit directory with the daemon? That can't happen in the near future: Big job. Do you mean having a package for all the runit daemons, and that package will create all runit directories so all someone has to do after installing the daemon is make the symlink? That can be done in the near future. I can make a shellscript that: 1) Disables daemon startup from /etc/rc.d/rc5.d and rc0.d 2) Enables daemon startup from runit. I can package that along with the bunch of daemon runit directories. SteveT So what was it now, well for me it was 7 going on 8 years we where discussing systemd, for me then it was logind and why it was put there, I was told by Debian that login had a bug and where replacing it. That wasn't a lie, what they didn't say was our future was to adopt systemd. Again I ask why, and I'm told it's faster, that was lie and everything since is built around a lie. When a Debian fork was discussed I suggested fixing Wheezy, nobody listened then and there and people in 'this group' that would just like me to shut up, but at the same time listen to every word I say. If you want to save Debian Linux you have to put it back to what it was before the discussion of changing init started. And you have to take a systemd free version and then bring it up to date, back then it would have been easier, but it's not to late. And that is how you are going to save Linux. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!
On 10/19/18 10:19 PM, KatolaZ wrote: On Fri, Oct 19, 2018 at 09:55:31PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, or else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer resources to modifying sysvinit, which is over 30 years old. Yet others think we should reimplement all the systemd functions in the Unix paradigm. Stop the madness! Dear Steve, I understand your frustration, and I share most of it, but I can't see anything wrong with discussing the possibility of generating initscripts from existing unit files (which is something that, at least in part, already exists [0]). I personally like the ideas behind process managers like runit (I have also had a look at shepherd, for instance), but if you want it to happen in Devuan somebody should work on it and make it real. And now is a good time to do that, since Beowulf is in the making. Unfortunately, pointing to a bunch of scripts is not enough: you need somebody who has experience of using runit who is willing to package the whole stuff in a coherent way, IMHO. You already know you have MS Trolls in this group, best way to handle them is to talk around them, they will not listen to common sense or help you make Devuan what you want it to be. They are just here to tell you that you are stupid until you do things their way and that's to use systemd or something else that will destroy Devuan. Their not stupid, avoid them and get on with your business and Save Linux! My2Cents KatolaZ My2Cents -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Stop the madness!
On 10/19/18 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote: Lennart pats himself on the back for his parallel instantiation. Notice how I allowed primecache.sh to run, in the background, while other boot activities were done. But wait, there's more. Runit goes around in a circle, creating 1 daemon supervisors, without stopping to wait if those 1 daemon supervisors succeed. In parallel, those 1 daemon supervisors each start their daemon, whether it takes 0.1 seconds or 30 seconds. IN OTHER WORDS... If you're happy with sysvinit, that's fine. But if sysvinit no longer suits your use case, or you're afraid it will no longer work with systemd apps and daemons, then don't try to massively bring up to date the 30 year old jalopy from the days of Devo and Pat Banatar and distributors and carburetors, instead switch to something that already accommodates your needs: Runit (or s6). And don't forget, until Devuan Devs get around to making the runit package a genuine PID1, you can, right now, today, run runit on top of sysvinit, and one by one switch services from /etc/rc.d/init.d scripts to runit run scripts, by shutting off the service on the sysvinit end, and downloading or making a runit run script and then making one symlink. A lot of run scripts are available at http://smarden.org/runit/runscripts.htm . I will be curating a collection of more runit run scripts in the near future. In other words, unless you view sysvinit as an antique to be kept around for sentimental value, don't put any work into it. Drive it while it fits your needs, then call the tow truck to tow it away and get your brand new runit supervisor. SteveT Pottering only selling point was the systemd is faster, my testings on many systems says that's a lie. I'm not saying it can't be faster, while using systemd if I push and hold the on/off switch my computer shuts down fast. If I understand you, you're trying to dump sysvinit because it's old, well it's not nearly as old as me and I can still kick butt and I see nothing wrong using sysv script, as a user it's working for me, simple config I can read and edit. What's wrong with that? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Weird network issue - slow to resolve IPs
On 10/14/18 12:45 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2018-10-14 01:52, Rick Moen wrote: Anyhow, it can be vital to know _what_ server is answering (well or otherwise) your system's DNS questions by default. Looking at /etc/resolv.conf should answer that question. I don't have anything in /etc/resolvconf except an avahi-daemon in /update-libc.d/ Maybe I should start by putting 8.8.8.8 in /etc/resolvconf? And OT do I even need avahi installed at all? avahi-daemon is a systemd package, when I see it running I turn it off and suffer no ill effect. If you do not have systemd installed it can not turn avahi-daemon back on, but I'm still testing that in devuan. It's sewn into a lot of packages, can control both audio and video without any help from you., Got a web-cam? Click., Got a mic?, with systemd installed your ass is grass because it can do what ever it wants to do and you can't do anything about it, don't believe me take a look at debian systemd bugs, there are hundreds of them and the bad bugs tell you that systemd does what ever the F*** it wants to do and as far as I can see does the user absolutely no good. But if you do have it installed and disconnect from the internet the kernel will call avahi to bring the internet up and it will. I don't like that and is why I stopped the avahi-daemon. But that's not all, when the kernel sees avahi is not running it binds with the NIC and ask for a HTTP address and that is where my firewall stops it. At least devuan is able to log these things, with system log I can see every system reaction to what I do and systemd packages do not like what I do, a perfect system would never have systemd packages or watered down security. OK. I am a complete idiot and ignored the dot in the filename so didn't even see the resolv.conf file. This is what's in it: domain austin.rr.com search austin.rr.com nameserver 209.18.47.62 nameserver 209.18.47.61 I would really like to change the DNS service. And those RR search pages are really annoying and useless. === I have my own way to set up the internet, so can't help you there, but will tell you recently youtube was down and quite a few experienced computer users thought their compute was broke, that's google if you did not know, here it made the morning news, but I already knew about it. Apologies for the confusion. Bedtime for me . . . I'm up at anytime and asleep at anytime, installing and configuring computers for a user is what I do. Do you think Debian will ever admit to making a BIG F* mistake? Or just let the evidence keep piling up and do nothing about it, the oldest systemd bug goes back 7 years and 214 days ago and it's still not fixed, seriously does that sound like Debian?, When they found the watered down encryption, at that time I don't think most developers realized that it is by design and is why devuan needs it own security including its own kernel. All I can do is test. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 Current - KDE 4.14.38 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] OpenRC and Runit without SysVinit packages
On 10/12/2018 01:56 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Thu, Oct 11, 2018 at 11:55:29PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: On Fri, 12 Oct 2018 03:24:44 + alecfeld...@disroot.org wrote: 1. Split the runit package into separate packages with alternate stage files. 2. Provide a configuration file for how runit should act. For instance, if openrc or sysvinit is installed, runit can depend on /etc/init.d and /etc/rc*.d scripts for booting. On a related note, I think the best way of acquiring runit run files is to install Void Linux on a VM, install all the various daemons, and then view the run files in /etc/sv/$daemonname/run. Void has had enough time supporting runit that most of their run files work great. The exceptions usually assume device names that shouldn't be assumed. Devuan could thus acquire a whole bunch of run scripts and not have to beg the upstreams to do it. The main problem remains how to distribute those scripts, without having to fork all the packages that provide a runit script and don't have one in the corresponding Debian package. Any concrete proposal is welcome there (but I know that most of the simple ones won't work, since people willing to use runit want their preferred service to work ootb and already have runit scripts, and only when they install that specific server...). Also, we are not just talking of supporting either openrc or runit, but to add support for runit *on top* of sysvinit and openrc. We should definitely find a way through, but I can't see the optimal one at the moment :\ My2Cents KatolaZ Why not a meta-package including all packages for each init? -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 14.2 - KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Which is the destiny of "Gksu" ?
On 9/1/18 5:20 AM, J. Fahrner wrote:
Am 2018-09-01 14:10, schrieb fsmithred:
Right. There is no gksu in sid/ceres or buster/beowulf.
There is gksu in sid:
https://packages.debian.org/en/sid/gksu
root@jimmy-1:/home/jimmy# aptitude install gksu
The following NEW packages will be installed:
gconf-service{a} gconf2{a} gconf2-common{a} gcr{a} gksu
gnome-keyring{a} gnome-keyring-pkcs11{a}
libgck-1-0{a} libgconf-2-4{a} libgcr-base-3-1{a} libgcr-ui-3-1{a}
libgksu2-0{a}
libgnome-keyring-common{a} libgnome-keyring0{a} libgtop-2.0-10{a}
libgtop2-common{a}
libpam-gnome-keyring{a} libsecret-1-0{a} libsecret-common{a}
p11-kit{a} p11-kit-modules{a}
pinentry-gnome3{a}
0 packages upgraded, 22 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 5,711 kB of archives. After unpacking 21.6 MB will be used.
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Re: [DNG] apt update ceres 403-Forbidden
On 08/27/2018 11:39 AM, Clarke Sideroad wrote: On 2018-08-27 1:17 p.m., KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Aug 27, 2018 at 01:50:51PM +0100, leloft wrote: Hi, I've been getting 403 Forbidden errors while trying to update packages from the ceres/main repo for the last 24/48 hours. The other repos seem to be ok, with just the occasional timeouts on jessie earlier today. Is it me, or is anyone else experiencing issues? many thanks Can you please report the IP of the failing mirror? For me currently for ceres http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ works but http://deb.devuan.org/merged/ shows "unsigned" causing rejection. Try # apt update. There have been some changes you may need to accept and apt update will ask if you want to accept y/N or course choose y. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] su root missing sbin on beowulf
On 08/21/2018 11:24 PM, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: I installed ascii onto a new machine with ascii-netinstall iso and immediately upgraded to beowulf. The machine is a headless VM and has no GUI installed. I notice when I login to root with “su” the $PATH doesn’t contain any sbin folders, only bin. If I login to root with “su -“ then the $PATH is as expected. I don’t notice this happening on any ascii installs. Is there something new in beowulf/buster default configuration? —Tom Yes. Buster like Ubuntu 18.04 is following Red Hats lead, no more su to root. It has been discussed in debian user list. I searched for fix and found to edit /etc/profile on effected systems. For Beowulf & Ceres installs I add and set apt preference for ASCII/Testing to avoid the problem before I upgrade. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware64 14.2 - Just Say No! To SystemD, Plasma5 & Drugs! KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] donate to Slackware
On 07/29/2018 08:33 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 17:48:12 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: He hasn't answered. I did send $100. Hopefully he'll get out of his situation. How and to what email or domain did you make the contribution? How comfortable are you that your $100 will actually get to him? I've been holding off until I can find a contribution method I'm certain will get to him and not his parasites. "Fri Jul 27 21:01:22 UTC 2018 Hey folks, my first order of business here needs to be a huge thank you to everyone who has donated at https://paypal.me/volkerdi to help keep this project going." ftp://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/slackware/slackware64-current/ChangeLog.txt -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware 14.2-64 - KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 04:17 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 04:02:23AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Please, share some relevant links then, and let us understand what you are talking about. If you keep mentioning unspecified "kernel experts" and what they have allegedly said about the Linux kernel without providing any evidence for your claims, your posts can be easily misinterpreted by a distracted reader as FUD. It's simple, because they can't say any more than Linus can, you are not being helpful and I will now stop replying to your unhelpful post. What you can do is look for malware, do some investigative research, just educate yourself, what I know is out there for all to read. So if those "kernel experts" are not saying more than Linus can say, how comes that you got to know what they haven't dare to say to anybody else? o_O I guess we should all educate ourselves in substantiating our claims with facts, instead of throwing stones at random. I have had the opportunity to read through several parts of the Linux kernel in the past, mostly related to networking, scheduling, and vfs. Once I had to modify the vfs layer to trasparently include symmetric encryption for all the supported FS. I guess it was 2.4 or 2.6. Another time I developed a full soft real-time stack for ad-hoc sensor networking (that was definitely 2.6). I also had the opportunity to develop several custom device drivers, back in the days, and even to do some reverse-engineering on a few "closed" drivers. [PDF]D-Bus in the Kernel - LinuxCon 2014, Tokyo, Japan https://events.static.linuxfound.org/sites/events/files/slides/linuxconjapan2014.pdf GitHub - "dbus-like" code for the Linux kernel https://github.com/gregkh/kdbus OutlawCountry exploit - What this won't tell you is that it was created for the CIA and first tested in Fedora, was designed to read windows file servers. they got caught. https://access.redhat.com/solutions/3099221 Today Linux is pretty much owned by the NSA, including it's developers, not many educated eyes out there anymore to spot and report malware. Things have changed. I can't say I have examined all that stuff in detail, but I think I have a very rough idea of what is going on under the hood. And what I saw is that the Linux kernel is in general very easy to read and to understand. Hence my conclusion: if anything wrong was there, we would most probably know already. KatolaZ, I came looking for help. Reading a linux kernel requires knowledge of software engineering, I don't have that knowledge or experience, even if I open kernel source I would have no idea what I was looking at. I just want to know if dbus or any other exploit is in the kernel. And/or can we have are own kernel? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Troll Alert Re: A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 04:09 AM, terryc wrote: On Mon, 9 Jul 2018 03:42:40 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Well how about shouting: YOU ARE A TROLL! Or is you excuse for your stream of crap a total inability to have gained any knowledge from the experience you claim to have? I cut slack for the modest and the young. You claim the opposite and since you claim more experience than me, you should know as much as I do. Alternative, please go see your MD about some assistance with your anxiety problem. I was told this group has enemies, bye, bye. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 04:01 AM, Antony Stone wrote: On Monday 09 July 2018 at 12:42:40, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 03:16 AM, KatolaZ wrote: There are lots of people out there who understand a lot more about the Linux kernel than many of us here. I simply decided to trust them, collectively, because I know that nobody can buy all of them. Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. It is just as plausible that these kernel experts are deliberately spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt with no substance whatsoever. Any responsible person who says "you need to check your kernel; there may be a backdoor (or two) in it" would point at what they found to back up their claim. Even if this results in said backdoor being promptly removed, only for another one to be lurking elsewhere unannounced, it's an improvement in the security of the code, and everyone knows that the person was speaking truthfully. Anyone who claims to know there are backdoors but doesn't say why they believe this, what the backdoors are, or where to find further information about them, is only as bad as a "security researcher" who claims to have identified a vulnerability in code (which I regard as different from a backdoor because vulnerabilities are accidental, backdoors are deliberate) but refuses to provide responsible disclosure to the vendor / developer responsible for that code and thereby leaves it open to (further) exploitation. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. This, of course, is also true about you. Antony. There's a big difference, I'm not the one trying to stop people from taking a interest an their distros security and you are. No more reply's to you unless you show a interest in helping find malware in this distro. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 03:53 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:42:40AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. Please, share some relevant links then, and let us understand what you are talking about. If you keep mentioning unspecified "kernel experts" and what they have allegedly said about the Linux kernel without providing any evidence for your claims, your posts can be easily misinterpreted by a distracted reader as FUD. It's simple, because they can't say any more than Linus can, you are not being helpful and I will now stop replying to your unhelpful post. What you can do is look for malware, do some investigative research, just educate yourself, what I know is out there for all to read. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 03:22 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 03:00:22AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] This discussion seems bordering on conspiracy theories. Those claim that something might be true and sow fear, uncertainty and doubt. Some parts of conspiracy theories may turn out to have been true, like for example all the spying the NSA and other secret agencies are doing. But I see no benefit in fearing something I have seen no proof of. Anyone ever saw any proof that such a backdoor exists within the Linux kernel source? I haven�t. Aside from that, I�d be more vary about the firmware in PCs. The closed- source binary blobs almost everyone is using who is using a computer these days. I do not think this discussion is helpful. There may be reasons for an own kernel, but IMO this is no reason. Martin you are active with both KDE and Debian Development, I would not expect you to be of much help, so pleas stay out of the way. Thanks, uh?!? o_O I guess we need to calm down a bit here? Martin expressed his view. You Jimmy expressed yours, and nobody asked you to get/stay out of the way. I presume you should give to the opinions of others the same treatment you expect for yours, as a baseline. Or at least expect your opinions to be treated with the same respect with which you treat those of others... HND KatolaZ You've been showing contempt and disrespect for me since my first post in this group, never helpful. Why do you want to stand in the way of people in this group looking for malware in this distro? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 03:16 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jul 09, 2018 at 02:50:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 01:53 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... Has the thought occurred to you that maybe the people that where finding those problems are now working for the bad guys? I remember way back in my days with windows all the good people finding problems with windows where soon bought up by microsoft, now they are buying up linux, do you really want to give up? Now I read even BSD is going to adopt systemd, it's looking like the without-systemd project is the only hope to save linux and keep it from becoming another microsoft project, I'm not willing to stop, I will still hold a candle for freedom. You can't buy everybody. Not even Intel, which is the largest actor in IT, could silence the group which discovered Spectre and Meltdown, despite the trick costed them billion dollars and despite they were notified of the vulnerabilities several months before they were disclosed to the wide public. Conspiracy theories do not work for a simple reason: you just can't buy everybody, and even if you think you can, people have always liked to talk about their smart discoveries. Almost everybody out there seems to be looking for their 5 minutes of glory. Look for instance at all the clamour around the "fatal PGP vulnerability", which was not a PGP vulnerability at all, rather the manifestation of the sheer incompetence of almost all the developers of MUAs in the last 20 years. The result of that "discovery" was a totally wrong and misleading message: "Oh! Don't encrypt your emails any more because it's DANGEROUS!!!". Which is just plain nonsense, and tells a lot about how the media can disproportionately inflate even the most silly news about the most silly bug. You can fear only what you don't understand, and you can successfully fight only what you understand fully. There are lots of people out there who understand a lot more about the Linux kernel than many of us here. I simply decided to trust them, collectively, because I know that nobody can buy all of them. Well some of those kernel experts are saying you need to check your kernel. Also how you respond to this thread speaks volumes. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 02:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: Hi Katola. KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Jimmy, El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: Thoughts? Volunteers? I also would like to see devuan including its own kernel. I can help on packaging stuff. Aitor. I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but what other parts besides the official kernel from kernel.org would you install? Or leave out? I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? The only problem with this theory is that Linus has not been the only developer of the Linux kernel at least since September 1991. Nowadays the Linux kernel has thousands of developers. If such a "backdoor" existed, we would know about it, as we knew about the Spectre and Meltdown vulnerabilities. You simply can't silence everybody, even if you are the NSA. Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... I agree with that. This discussion seems bordering on conspiracy theories. Those claim that something might be true and sow fear, uncertainty and doubt. Some parts of conspiracy theories may turn out to have been true, like for example all the spying the NSA and other secret agencies are doing. But I see no benefit in fearing something I have seen no proof of. Anyone ever saw any proof that such a backdoor exists within the Linux kernel source? I haven´t. Aside from that, I´d be more vary about the firmware in PCs. The closed- source binary blobs almost everyone is using who is using a computer these days. I do not think this discussion is helpful. There may be reasons for an own kernel, but IMO this is no reason. Martin you are active with both KDE and Debian Development, I would not expect you to be of much help, so pleas stay out of the way. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 01:53 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... Has the thought occurred to you that maybe the people that where finding those problems are now working for the bad guys? I remember way back in my days with windows all the good people finding problems with windows where soon bought up by microsoft, now they are buying up linux, do you really want to give up? Now I read even BSD is going to adopt systemd, it's looking like the without-systemd project is the only hope to save linux and keep it from becoming another microsoft project, I'm not willing to stop, I will still hold a candle for freedom. There were long standing problems with openssl -- the source code was fully available, anybody could have found the problems, but they didn't. Yes, ssl has been mentioned and also what they call watered down encryption, plus wireless password encryption, I understand is useless. The Linux Kernel is HUGE, the possibility to find something that shouldn't be there would not be very easy. Binary blobs remain the most "risky" components, but anything else can easily hide in plain sigh t. I'm old and trying to remember is not easy at times, I think what we would be looking for could be a dbus-client, also another word mentioned was about 3-4 letters long and the first letter was a 'k' but nothing to do with kde, also mentioned was to check certificate files. This stuff is over my head and I yeld to the experts, but all these things are certainly worth checking out. Another way to corrupt a system is via the firmware and has also been mentioned in my readings. Another thought comes to me, before moving back home I was living in Santa Cruz for 24 yrs, and active in the local PC Club and active in the linux group, we met at UCSC, if I was still living there I don't think it would be hard to get a group together and start looking for these things. I suggest looking for help where ever you can find it. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/09/2018 01:06 AM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 09/07/18 17:51, KatolaZ wrote: Literally anybody can get the sources of the Linux kernel and read through it. So I guess your fears are somehow unjustified... There were long standing problems with openssl -- the source code was fully available, anybody could have found the problems, but they didn't. The Linux Kernel is HUGE, the possibility to find something that shouldn't be there would not be very easy. Binary blobs remain the most "risky" components, but anything else can easily hide in plain sigh t. I'm old and trying to remember is not easy at times, I think what we would be looking for could be a dbus-client, also another word mentioned was about 3-4 letters long and the first letter was a 'k' but nothing to do with kde, also mentioned was to check certificate files. This stuff is over my head and I yeld to the experts, but all these things are certainly worth checking out. Another way to corrupt a system is via the firmware and has also been mentioned in my readings. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] is there a problem with package signing?
On 07/08/2018 06:10 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: During and after my upgade to ascii, when I try to install packages I consistently get messages like WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! lighttpd Install these packages without verification? [y/N] Is there something wrong with pakage signing? My apt-sources are from pkgmaster.devuan.org, and I did install the devuan-keyring, version 2017.10.03. Aptitude doesn't seem to think there's a newer version. -- hendrik I think if you run # apt update you will be asked if you want to trust Devuan. That's apt update not apt-get update. Also make sure you have the devuan.keyring installed. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/07/2018 05:03 AM, Alessandro Selli wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Good sources tell me we need our own kernel, Why? What's wrong with the available ones? Devuan is there someone that can at lest look at the Debian kernel? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 04:46 PM, terryc wrote: On Sun, 8 Jul 2018 15:52:48 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. I'll admit it has become complicated and it is now a while since I've compiled my own kernel from sources, but my suggestion is that you try to do so. AFAIK, you can craft your own kernel as much as you like, mnay times and until you actually 'install it and reboot' onto it there is no danger. Before you do that, increase the response time out on your mobo/device boot up to allow plenty of time to choose the prior image if there is a problem. Sadly, I'm speaking from the view point of desktop yumcha stuff. Last time I did it, there was a basic gui script that just folded in the various sections you didn't want to fiddle with. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? Just use the Debian kernel sources for starters. they are going to be the closest to Eric's eyes(?) dream. I know people who roll kernels and they don't trust themselves to apply a security patch. If you can roll a kernel I will test it for you on a few different computers, how about a ASCII kernel to start? I have systems ready and waiting to try the new kernel. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 04:17 PM, Antony Stone wrote: On Monday 09 July 2018 at 00:52:48, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. If there is a backdoor, and he denies it, then he's hiding something. If he's not hiding anything, and he denies there's a backdoor, then there isn't one. Please take your pick of logic. You're talking about something logical and what is going on is not logical, it's pure evil. Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? http://kernel.org Something way over my head. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? I think you're confusing the Linux kernel with GNU/Linux distributions. You might as well start looking at Android, if the Linux kernel is what's bothering you. And I think you're trying to confuse the subject and not at all making any attempt at being helpful. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: Hi Jimmy, El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: Thoughts? Volunteers? I also would like to see devuan including its own kernel. I can help on packaging stuff. Aitor. I am not a kernel guy so maybe i am asking a stupid question; but what other parts besides the official kernel from kernel.org would you install? Or leave out? I don't think Linus is trying to hide anything, he just can't talk about a backdoor and will deny a backdoor if you ask him about one. Something I haven't done but maybe a kernel source package can be opened to expose what is in there? Something way over my head. Anybody friends with Klaus Knopper? Or has other sources for help? Maybe someone from Puppy Linux? -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?
On 07/08/2018 02:25 AM, Antony Stone wrote: On Saturday 07 July 2018 at 14:03:33, Alessandro Selli wrote: On Fri, 6 Jul 2018 at 10:52:20 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: Good sources Who / where? You have to do a lot of reading, the information is out there going back to 2012 the main source is wanted by usa and has been given a gag order by his keepers or will be forced to leave his protected living quarters. tell me we need our own kernel, Why? What's wrong with the available ones? I'm a hardware guy, taught in Silicon Valley, built fist computer '75-'76, my fist job was a startup in Santa Clara, I worked R until successful completion and I like taking things apart and maybe building something better since I was a child. In my head I can see how systemd works and it's a computer system inside your computer, creating virtual hardware and controlling your installed software, why? It's really simple, your computer is not only working for you the user but outside sources too, not something the average user would know about or the ability to do something about. Okay, maybe I'm not the average user, but I am a user just the same and not a developer, nor do I have the ability to roll my own kernel. It's known that the CIA was injecting a backdoor in kernel v.2.6 and now we are dealing with the NSA, Intel, Microsoft and RedHat. 'IF' our existing kernel has a backdoor client in it there is nothing 'I' can do about it, but sources say I need to roll my own kernel. It's the only way to stop this war on privacy invasion. Neutering software is one thing, but the war will continue until we get rid of the backdoor. Devuan needs it a kernel expert, better yet a kernel team of experts. Thoughts? Volunteers? -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] A Devuan kernel?
Good sources tell me we need our own kernel, do we have one? Thanks. This last week I've been testing Slackware and I see Patrick is dealing with systemd too, Slackware 14.2 is on what seems to be a ASCII system, except ASCII seems to be just a little bit more sable in audio and video. I have Slack running on three computers and I got my Canon printer working too. :) Of course Devuan Jessie is my go to Linux distro, the easiest to work with and audio/video is most stable of all. -- Jimmy Johnson Slackware 14.2-64 - KDE 4.14.32 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda9 Registered Linux User #380263 Good is loving someone who totally pisses you off. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem
On 07/04/2018 02:28 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 02:15:46AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] I used wicd for several years, and I had always to swear against the gods of three or four religions to have it do what I wanted. The hardest thing was to convince wicd that I wanted a *specific* wi-fi connection among the several available: it kept choosing what it preferred, probably on the basis of "signal strength", and kept disconnecting and reconecting every time somebody entered the room or moved a chair. I had to manually disable the connections I didn't want to use, then manually re-enable them. That sounds like network manager was installed at the time and not a wicd problem, wicd gets blamed because you can see it in your tray, while NM is in the background messing with your connection. I may be wrong but I don't think network manager is good or helpful in any way, causes way to many problems and confusion for the average user. I don't know about you, but I always know exactly, at any point in time, what software is installed in my system. And I am 100% sure that network-manager has *never* been installed in any of the machines I have administered or used in the last 20 years :) So the fault was genuinely due to wicd, and my swearing was more than justified ;) If network/interfaces is not configured then wicd will not work. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem
On 07/04/2018 02:04 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 04/07/2018 à 09:54, Jimmy Johnson a écrit : On 07/03/2018 11:04 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 04/07/2018 à 05:10, Jimmy Johnson a écrit : On 07/03/2018 09:35 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/07/2018 à 10:49, Jimmy Johnson a écrit : There is another option I do not see mentioned in this thread and that is to purge network manager and use wicd exclusively, I have done that and it works swell. Better purge both. Didier Why? Thanks, As already said, they are useless - provided network-tools is installed and interfaces correctly configured - and these two network managers tend to configure/deconfigure the network interfaces in a way which isn't the one you want. They essentially mess up the configuration. Didier It sounds like you are talking about network manager. I don't believe wicd has the traits you are talking about. As for me it's handy to connect and disconnect, mostly disconnect while using multimedia. I've never heard of wicd doing anything wrong, it's certainly not part of systemd or married to systemd in any way. Thanks, Let me explain in a different way what I have understood - and I may be wrong on wicd because I remove it immediately after every install, as well as I used to do with network-manager. There are 4 ways to configure your network: 1) Invoke the ip command and wpa_supplicant by hand all the time, or write your own scripts 2) the good old net-tools, which provides ifupdown, the interfaces file and all the ready-made scripts 3) network-manager, which is a replacement for the previous, decides of everything, and cannot be configured. 4) wicd, that is essentially the same logic as network-manager, rewritten and with another name. They cannot live all three together: they continuously fight against each other. net-tools gives you full power; it can be configured in great detail. At the cost of reading some docs, of course. network-manager and wicd do everything for you, but don't complain if it's not what you want. And, to tell everything, if you need dynamic interfaces configuration/deconfiguration, you also need ifplugd or netplug (again, don't install both). I think netplug must be configured by editing the config file, while ifplugd is configured by running dpkg-reconfigure. Didier If you don't want to use wicd, that's fine, but blame it for things that NM is doing is silly and technically not helpful to anyone. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem
On 07/04/2018 01:25 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, Jul 04, 2018 at 12:54:28AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] It sounds like you are talking about network manager. I don't believe wicd has the traits you are talking about. As for me it's handy to connect and disconnect, mostly disconnect while using multimedia. I've never heard of wicd doing anything wrong, [cut] That's because probably you haven't needed to use wicd for something more specific than "configure wlan0" :) I used wicd for several years, and I had always to swear against the gods of three or four religions to have it do what I wanted. The hardest thing was to convince wicd that I wanted a *specific* wi-fi connection among the several available: it kept choosing what it preferred, probably on the basis of "signal strength", and kept disconnecting and reconecting every time somebody entered the room or moved a chair. I had to manually disable the connections I didn't want to use, then manually re-enable them. That sounds like network manager was installed at the time and not a wicd problem, wicd gets blamed because you can see it in your tray, while NM is in the background messing with your connection. I may be wrong but I don't think network manager is good or helpful in any way, causes way to many problems and confusion for the average user. I guess they eventually fixed that introducing priorities, but still, IMHO a software should do what I tell it to do, not what it likes or wishes... Anyway, it's mainly a matter of preference here, and luckily we have enough alternatives so far :) Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem
On 07/03/2018 11:04 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 04/07/2018 à 05:10, Jimmy Johnson a écrit : On 07/03/2018 09:35 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/07/2018 à 10:49, Jimmy Johnson a écrit : There is another option I do not see mentioned in this thread and that is to purge network manager and use wicd exclusively, I have done that and it works swell. Better purge both. Didier Why? Thanks, As already said, they are useless - provided network-tools is installed and interfaces correctly configured - and these two network managers tend to configure/deconfigure the network interfaces in a way which isn't the one you want. They essentially mess up the configuration. Didier It sounds like you are talking about network manager. I don't believe wicd has the traits you are talking about. As for me it's handy to connect and disconnect, mostly disconnect while using multimedia. I've never heard of wicd doing anything wrong, it's certainly not part of systemd or married to systemd in any way. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem
On 07/03/2018 09:35 AM, Didier Kryn wrote: Le 02/07/2018 à 10:49, Jimmy Johnson a écrit : There is another option I do not see mentioned in this thread and that is to purge network manager and use wicd exclusively, I have done that and it works swell. Better purge both. Didier Why? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] systemd and wlan0 interface problem
On 06/30/2018 02:06 PM, Haines Brown wrote: I've long struggled with a problem with a new installation of ascii. I can get an ethernet connection, but with a usb WiFi dongle using an Atheros chip, my wlan0 interface gets automatically changed to wl, and so cannot communicate with DHCP. This can tie into a bug in Network Manager, but I use wicd. I get the impression that with systemd, udev automatically assigns predictable stable interface names, I suppose so that you can have multiple cards or USB devices for WiFi. I am using Wireless N USB Adapter (TPE-N150USB) dongle from ThinkPenguin. The suggestions to deal with this is to change the udev rule for defining the WiFi interface name. There are three methods suggested: a) append the line "net.ifnames=0" to /etc/default/grub. I did this and rebooted to no effect. b) manually create your own naming scheme to name interfaces wlan0 and place it before the default policy file. For example, name the file /etc/udev/rules.d/70-my-net-names.rule. I did not attempt this because I'm in over my head when it comes to defining udev rules. c) alter the default policy for picking a different naming scheme by copying /lib/udev/rules.d/80-net-link-setup.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d/ and then edit it appropriately. There is another option I do not see mentioned in this thread and that is to purge network manager and use wicd exclusively, I have done that and it works swell. 'ifconfig -a' /etc/network/interfaces # The loopback network interface auto lo iface lo inet loopback # The primary network interface allow-hotplug eth0 iface eth0 inet dhcp Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images
On 06/19/2018 05:16 PM, Ozi Traveller wrote: Hi Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? I think the Jessie images were 586. ozi I'm using i386 Jessie Devuan on my old ThinkPad A31, I call it my Tank, works swell in kind of a lazy way and I enjoy using it, but I'm a linux tester and have many computer and can't get stuck on just one. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta no-dbus experiment
On 06/18/2018 07:45 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/18/2018 04:49 PM, fsmithred wrote: On 06/18/2018 05:18 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/15/2018 12:34 PM, fsmithred wrote: Refracta no-dbus build (experiment) Nice and fast. I have the installer running now on my thinkpad, I see no option to pick a partition, I want to install on /dev/sda2. Is this possible? Thanks, Yes, it's possible. I can't tell where you are in the installation process. After the partitioner, you should get questions about what partitions to use and what filesystem type you want on it. Then you'll get a summary window that tells you what you told the installer to do. Then it does it. Username and passwords come up at the end. fsr I was setting at the check box's. I finished the install and it said it was done and to reboot. I rebooted but nothing was installed!?! I choose a no-format install with existing /home all on /sda2. It collected user name, root and user passwd. My partitions are ext4 is that a problem? I went and installed Devuan Jessie net-install minimum and tdebase as I had the partition ready for install, I'm using it now. But I have more partitions, maybe try again later. :) Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - Intel 3320M - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Refracta no-dbus experiment
On 06/15/2018 12:34 PM, fsmithred wrote: Refracta no-dbus build (experiment) The subject of running without dbus comes up from time to time in various places. I decided to try it and see how far I could get. I started with a debootstrap install of devuan ascii, pinned dbus to a priority of -1, and proceeded to make the same changes as I do to make Refracta live isos. Normally, the Refracta isos use xfce, but that's not possible without dbus. I was surprised to see how much did install without dbus. So I thought I'd share it. This build uses openbox, lxpanel, lxterminal and spacefm. Maybe someone will want to use it. Maybe it will inspire someone else to do something better. Feeback is welcome. http://distro.ibiblio.org/refracta/files/experimental/refracta9_nodbus_amd64-20180612_0156.iso sha256sum: 633634c3ac2beb06252b29bc78b3135f5f5ded473a72f42e5dc6c17d326d1f17 Login/Password: user/user root/root No display manager. Run 'startx' to get a desktop. # These can be installed without dbus and without libsystemd0 rsync bash-completion busybox kbd locales firmware-linux-free deborphan unzip lvm2 cryptsetup sshfs \ hwinfo alsa-utils moc pppoeconf pppconfig pppoe ntfs-3g dosfstools curl \ live-boot live-config live-boot-initramfs-tools live-config-sysvinit squashfs-tools xorriso pmount pv \ syslinux syslinux-common syslinux-utils isolinux xz-utils gdisk parted hexedit iftop smartmontools lm-sensors \ hdparm testdisk fdupes irssi iptraf ethtool scrot wipe mlocate wireless-tools wpasupplicant \ # get libdbus-1-3 here gddrescue screen feh hddtemp p7zip-full partimage pm-utils sysv-rc-conf tree wodim htop bzip2 whois \ lsb-release file setnet net-tools cifs-utils mdadm arp-scan \ dialog live-boot-doc live-config-doc refractainstaller-base refractasnapshot-base \ btrfs-tools btrfs-progs pciutils psmisc rename tcpd usbutils uuid-runtime dnsutils \ eject telnet usbutils util-linux-locales vrms mutt sudo # These were installed after allowing libsystemd0 xorg openbox spacefm lxterminal lxpanel obconf lxappearance lxappearance-obconf lxrandr \ linux-headers-4.9.0-6-amd64 build-essential xserver-xorg-legacy xserver-xephyr xterm aptitude \ icewm xarchiver leafpad links2 xpdf mpv yad ***grub-of-your-choice*** x11vnc xtightvncviewer grsync bleachbit meld asunder winff \ mplayer ffmpeg volumeicon-alsa tilda geeqie dkms transmission-gtk gftp \ xserver-xorg-video-intel xscreensaver xinput libnotify-bin hexchat \ abiword hardinfo gdmap gimp geany firejail firefox-esr deadbeef http://sourceforge.net/projects/deadbeef/files/debian/deadbeef-static_0.7.2-2_amd64.deb/download firemenu https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/Extras/firemenu-1.2.deb refracta2usb https://sourceforge.net/projects/refracta/files/tools/refracta2usb-2.3.6.deb These will NOT install. (and probably a lot more that I didn't try.) audacious xfburn wicd connman libpam-elogind synaptic gdebi fsmithred Nice and fast. I have the installer running now on my thinkpad, I see no option to pick a partition, I want to install on /dev/sda2. Is this possible? Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] A message from Patrick J. Volkerding
Devuan or Trinity can borrow anything they find useful from the current tree. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] ascii 2.0 installation confused by mount points
On 06/09/2018 01:13 PM, Haines Brown wrote: I'm installing ascii on a disk, sdc, in a machine that has two other disks, one of which, sda already has a bootable devuan jessie on it. The installation goes well until I go to write my partitioning of sdc to disk. I get the error message: "Two file systems are assigned to the same mount point (/): SCSII (0,0,0), partition #1 (sda) and SCSI3 (0,0,0), partition #1, (sdc). It is true that partition 1 of sda is a bootable primary partition, and I want to do the same for sdc. I've always had multiple independently bootable disks with their own GRUB on a machine. This is the first time I've run into trouble with it. In installation options for sdc, I did ask to have a MBR installed. Why does an installation on one disk care about what happens to be on another unmounted disk? You are using fstab and assigning the partitions how you want them to be used? -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/06/2018 09:28 AM, Steve Litt wrote: On Wed, 6 Jun 2018 01:57:14 -0700 Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote: It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he must come in using specific protocols, and on a relatively slow wire. In the latter case, he sets up an alternative OS instance to brute-force scan the system at a speed orders of magnitude faster. SteveT Hi Steve, nice to see you here! What I'm wondering is if the software stored on gethub is insured or store at your own risk? I don't know, but have always assumed it's at one's own risk. On GitHub, or any other "cloud" resource, read the terms of service. After all their "we're not responsible" and indemnification clauses, you're more likely to be civilly liable for someone else's data loss than to have the vendor or anybody else pay you for their negligent loss of your data. All fans of "the cloud" should read all the TOS agreements before signing on. There's something fishy about this story. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-44368813 It was first published on June 5th and now dated June 6th, I first read the story on June 5th at the same link. Not recoverable, not repairable or so they say and who's data will be stored there? I don't know abut you but the only one I trust to store my data is me and I'm backed-up since '94 on 3 external and 2 internal drives with no problems and it's safe to say I'm a pack rat. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 12:20 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Mon, 4 Jun 2018 17:46:54 +0100 Mark Rousell wrote: On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, and owning it means profiling the free software community with an unprecedented accuracy. But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. It's like the difference between a bad guy hacking your system remotely and his having physical possession. In the former case, he must come in using specific protocols, and on a relatively slow wire. In the latter case, he sets up an alternative OS instance to brute-force scan the system at a speed orders of magnitude faster. SteveT Hi Steve, nice to see you here! What I'm wondering is if the software stored on gethub is insured or store at your own risk? I'm trying to find motive, there are other data storage things going on with MS besides gethub and heaven forbid what I see forming. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/05/2018 09:52 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: On 06/06/2018 05:37, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux, yesterday and today. There is considerable venomous hatred from some here for Microsoft, too. Note that it is entirely possible that this hatred of Microsoft is justified. In fact I know it *is* understandable for many things that Microsoft has done. But the key point in this particular context is that it does exist. And so I use the word "hate" in this context solely because it the *correct word*. I say again that I understand this hatred for Microsoft. I think I get it, what you're saying, you think we are being childish and trowing a tantrum. You think we are not being logical. Mad, angry, annoyed, irritated are logical but hatred is in no way logical. It's just not an attitude that I share, despite also despising many of the things that Microsoft has done or is still doing (you mentioned Windows 10's spyware and this is one of the things that angers me). Nor am I a particular fan of Microsoft. Nope, wasn't me. I DO hang with people who develop and talk all aspects of windows, but I'm retired and have not used, worked on or own windows 10, but what I do think is that the operating system itself, including it's safe-boot are malware. It's now close to 20yrs since microsoft announced,(if you have windows installed) "we own your computer". All they need to do now is get your social security number and take the money out of your bank for the illegal install of windows on a persons computer. Can they do that? I simply try to be dispassionate when analysing businesses and business dealings. As you say it's just business. So Bill Gates is in pharmaceuticals now and he's a humanitarian for curing disease some place out of the usa in small poor foreign countries, what a guy! Truth be told, he could not get permission to test the drug here in the usa. But media made it read just like another microsoft commercial and what the public sees. Yes, what a guy, what a business model. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/05/2018 08:18 PM, Mark Rousell wrote: On 05/06/2018 17:25, goli...@dyne.org wrote: Interesting isn't it that this new user arrives to DNG just days before the github announcement and that most of his posts have been trying to convince us what a wonderful thing it will be. Can't you just hear the bluebirds and smell the roses? We get what's happening and where he's coming from. But I can't see anyone in this camp buying into this very transparent propaganda. Time to move on. No fish are biting here . . . Oh good grief. The above is pure fantasy. I've been a member of this mailing list since 25th Oct 2015 according to my records. I've not commented before recently because well... I've just not got round to it and I had nothing to add previously. Sorry about that! I am most certainly NOT trying to "convince us what a wonderful thing it will be". As I said before, I just don't blindly hate Microsoft outright. You are reading way more into my comments than is really there. I'm speaking for myself. Mark you use the word hate a lot in your post, that's a microsoft mentality, they venomously hate linux, yesterday and today. Me I just don't want microsoft in my computer, I like, no I love linux the way it was intended to to be and with this setup I have installed here, it's doing nothing I don't want it to do, it just sets here not auto updating or making unknown connections to the internet or calling home, it's doing nothing that I do not have command over, no antivirus updating, no malware checking, no background activity and no key logger, it's just setting here quiet, today and tomorrow and I'm happy. I have no need for microsoft and it's need to take over my computer, software or anything to do with microsoft. Now I believe what microsoft is doing is illegal, from what I understand creating a monopoly is still illegal and I believe the way microsoft goes about it's business is underhand and just plain sinister. I hear no bluebirds and I smell no roses. Nothing is certain in business, so the GitHub purchase could well all go wrong. In short: I have nothing to do with Microsoft or anyone associated with them. I have no "very transparent propaganda" of any sort to pass on. For what it's worth, if you search around you'll find me commenting on other mail lists from time to time going back many, many years. Is anyone going to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife yet? ;-) No, but if you give your address I'll have the authority's check on her. :) -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/05/2018 05:15 AM, Mark Rousell wrote: On 05/06/2018 12:18, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today microsoft wants to kill linux period. A killer is not logical and you should in no way trust a killer no matter how sweet they may seem, just say NO! It seems to me that there is no logical or rational reason whatsoever to say that this is a "I hate linux move". Rationally speaking, it seems to me to be far more of a "I want to play well with open source" move. Why? Because it is now in Microsoft's financial interest to do so. This isn't because Microsoft is nice; it's simply that Microsoft is a business that is moving with the times. For several years now, GitHub has been strategically important to Microsoft for its own projects and for its interactions with developers. Developers are, and always have been, key to Microsoft's success and now, more than ever, that means open source developers. With GitHub in the red it makes total sense for Microsoft to buy GitHub in order to maintain it, to prevent it potentially falling into a competitor's hands, to further enhance Visual Studio's integration with Git and GitHub, and to improve Microsoft's image with the open source devs and users. Also, it is now illogical to think that Microsoft wants to kill Linux. Things have moved on. Linux (and Android) are now platforms for Microsoft to sell into and onto. Microsoft's dev products and software platforms (especially Net Core and Xamarin) have a vastly improving cross-platform and mobile story. Instead of trying to beat Linux with Windows or trying to beat open source with Microsoft software, the entire ecosystem has changed such that Linux and open source (primarily in the form of developers and corporates) are now a source of revenue for Microsoft. This is why I predicted that Microsoft will in due course buy a major corporate Linux company. It would fit perfectly with their new business model under Nadella. In short, Microsoft isn't a killer. It's a business. Under Nadella, it is doing what is rationally best for itself and, for the foreseeable future, that is to be friendly to open source and Linux. Maybe they'll change their minds again but it won't be soon. Enjoy it while it lasts. ;-) Mark you seem like a smart likeable guy, just like the guys I have met who work for microsoft and is the reason why I have not replied to your post. What I'm saying is simple fact, what I've seen with my own eyes and what you're saying is meaningless to me. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] [OT] Re: (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 10:04 AM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2018-06-04 11:56, KatolaZ wrote: On Mon, Jun 04, 2018 at 05:46:54PM +0100, Mark Rousell wrote: On 04/06/2018 17:01, KatolaZ wrote: > Microsoft knows that GitHub is a goldmine of ideas and cool projects, > and owning it means profiling the free software community with an > unprecedented accuracy. But if most of those projects are open source ones then Microsoft (or anyone else) would have had access to all that information anyway. Owning GitHub does not seem to me to get them anything substantially new as far open source projects are concerned. You can't effectively crawl the whole GitHub using GutHub's API (have you tried?). And you can't track all the changes and trends in real time. Unless you own GitHub. HND KatolaZ ___ That plus access to all personal information. A veritable goldmine! I don't see anything good coming out of this development. golinux Microsoft paying billions for github and github is operating millions in the red, this is a I hate linux move. In 2002 microsoft wanted to kill linux, 4 years ago microsoft wanted to kill linux and today microsoft wants to kill linux period. A killer is not logical and you should in no way trust a killer no matter how sweet they may seem, just say NO! People are meeting evil at a cross road here, for your own good just say no. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/04/2018 06:53 PM, wirelessd...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 Jun 2018, at 10:02, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote: For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted workalikes such as GitLab.' I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. Did I mention GitLab? ;-> - Forwarded message from David Krauser via Tech - Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:51:18 -0400 From: David Krauser via Tech To: tech Subject: [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub Reply-To: David Krauser , t...@golug.org https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github This makes me really uncomfortable. - dk https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-to-acquire-github-for-7-5-billion/ I hope it's not to late for friendly open-source to get out of gethub. -- Jimmy Johnson How does this affect tools like NPM/Yarn, or even golang, that have direct specific integration with GitHub to download or import source code packages? —Tom I don't know, do you know? Thanks you, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] (forw) [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub
On 06/03/2018 06:01 PM, Rick Moen wrote: For years, I've been politely telling representatives & users of open source projects (Void Linux, many others) 'Hey, you might want to reconsider outsourcing your entire source code repos to GitHub, and consider instead deploying instead one of many actually open source, self-hosted workalikes such as GitLab.' I'm betting they'll see nothing wrong with outsourcing to a proprietary-software firm run by people they don't know and have no reason to trust, based on this news. I'm glad it works for them. Did I mention GitLab? ;-> - Forwarded message from David Krauser via Tech - Date: Sun, 03 Jun 2018 18:51:18 -0400 From: David Krauser via Tech To: tech Subject: [GoLugTech] Microsoft buys GitHub Reply-To: David Krauser , t...@golug.org https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-06-03/microsoft-is-said-to-have-agreed-to-acquire-coding-site-github This makes me really uncomfortable. - dk https://news.microsoft.com/2018/06/04/microsoft-to-acquire-github-for-7-5-billion/ I hope it's not to late for friendly open-source to get out of gethub. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - TDE Trinity R14.0.4 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda2 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Screenshots
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Re: [DNG] no display of GRUB menu
On 06/01/2018 01:24 PM, Haines Brown wrote: I installed Jessie on a new disk on a new machine. I can boot it from the GRUB menu on another disk on that machine, but when I try to boot the new disk directly, all I get is a blinking cursor at upper left. Holding down SHFT or ESC during post did not bring up its menu. I tried redoing # update-grub. I find that /boot/grub/grub.cfg has a fully developed menu in which is: set root='hd0,mddos2'. This seems correct. BIOS sees this disk as number 0. In \ is a vmlinuz symlink that points to the vmlinuz file in a broken out /boot. Parted print shows partition 1 to be primary and flagged bootable. Partition 2 is also primary. It seems that one way to display the menu is to change to these values in these lines in /etc/default/grub to: GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=10 GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT_QUIET=false in /etc/default/grub, but these lines do not appear and what I have instead is: GRUB_DEFAULT=0 GRUB_TIMEOUT=5 Try 'ctrl+alt+F2 to see if you can get a console. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 05/31/2018 06:22 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: On 2018-05-31 17:40, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 05/31/2018 01:30 PM, Fungal-net wrote: Q4OS has dome alot of work on trinity, maybe you should use their repositories to pick things up. It is a systemd distribution, I have a friend using it, I can get the sources.list from her if you need it. First, please do not send me your email, unless you ask me first period, and if it's a emergence call 911. You're kidding right. I'm all about not touching systemd, if I could I would use it for target practice. My feelings are, anyone volunteering to work, for free, on a OS with systemd is a Sucker and anyone getting paid to work on a OS with systemd is my Enemy. Just an FYI . . . Fungal-net emailed you because he is in moderation on this list and with good reason. Unfortunately, there is no way to prevent him from contacting individual list members. Let me know if he persists in bothering you. golinux I saw your post yesterday, I'm wordless and in shock over this incident. Thank you for your followup. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 05/31/2018 01:30 PM, Fungal-net wrote: Q4OS has dome alot of work on trinity, maybe you should use their repositories to pick things up. It is a systemd distribution, I have a friend using it, I can get the sources.list from her if you need it. First, please do not send me your email, unless you ask me first period, and if it's a emergence call 911. You're kidding right. I'm all about not touching systemd, if I could I would use it for target practice. My feelings are, anyone volunteering to work, for free, on a OS with systemd is a Sucker and anyone getting paid to work on a OS with systemd is my Enemy. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 05/31/2018 01:21 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 05:35:21PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Hi Nate! alienbob is a workaholic, every group needs one. I've parted with Patrick, he's a fun guy to hang with and I love Slack and I have installed Slack a few times and Patrick has installed it for me too while at kde4 release at google. I wish I was using it, but I have disabilities that keep me from being much of a keyboarder and I'm very thankful for point-n-click linux and Debian apt. Nate do you know if kde from Slackware can be ported to Debian or Devuan? Something like that would be a blessing for a kde user. What do you need that is not already present in the KDE shipped with Devuan ASCII? There is no systemd running in there, and KDE is reported to work just fine. No kde5-framework. KatolaZ I really do not like systemd or plasma5, I do not like The Borg and I'm always looking for options. Thanks, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 05/26/2018 04:57 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2018 26 May 00:24 -0500, Jimmy Johnson wrote: I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and Trinity is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and plasma are married to each other I am running Slackware Current (similar to Debian Unstable) on a laptop with Plasma5 packaged by alienbob and no systemd in sight. Plasma5 is quite clearly capable of full functionality on a system completely lacking a systemd installation. - Nate Hi Nate! alienbob is a workaholic, every group needs one. I've parted with Patrick, he's a fun guy to hang with and I love Slack and I have installed Slack a few times and Patrick has installed it for me too while at kde4 release at google. I wish I was using it, but I have disabilities that keep me from being much of a keyboarder and I'm very thankful for point-n-click linux and Debian apt. Nate do you know if kde from Slackware can be ported to Debian or Devuan? Something like that would be a blessing for a kde user. Plasma has packages who's names end with D and all are related to systemd and do systemd service even when systemd is not there and they are being started with any init system you are using, they can be removed, but you have to find the buggers first. Life today is a struggle to be without systemd. Like other people I have been playing with removing systemd for a long time, but only the last month did I get serous about leaving systemd completely, as a linux tester it was a hard choice to make and now I see there is a real war going on to keep systemd out of your OS. You should spend a week with Trinity and see all the things that you are missing in Plasma. KDE3 is a award winning desktop both Unix and Groupware compliant and very configurable. I've added a snapshot of my Ceres system, enjoy. https://paste.pics/36KUG Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] wicd interferes with regular network admin tools
On 05/27/2018 09:05 AM, Joel Roth wrote: Hi Devuan network users and adminstrators, I was recently suprised to observe network interfaces (wlan0 and eth0) going up without my issuing commands for it. I'd disable an interface, then see it go right back up. I somehow guessed that the culprit might be wicd, and confirmed that a wicd process was active. I never ran any of the wicd admin tools. The list of wicd features does not mention that it interferes with managing networks using net-tools or iproute2 commands. Is this a bug, or a documentation bug? Certainly, the behavior is less-than-awesome. If one wants to learn about networking on linux, or to administer a system using conventional command-line tools, one should know that wicd needs to be removed. Do net-tools and iproute2 need to warn against wicd? Should wicd warn that it disrupts administration via net-tools? I wonder if there is any parallel in how in linux we administer /etc/resolv.conf. Do you have any thoughts about clarifying how to expect the networking environment to work under linux? Hi Joel, treat Devuan like old school Debian and get rid of network manager and it's ilk, use wicd-gtk, your internet device names are no longer going to change, so what you see when you run 'ifconfig -a' is the name of your devices and probably something like eth0 and wlan0. Configure /etc/network/interfaces accordingly and add 'allow-hotplug' for your devices. And make sure the device names are correct in wicd, done. That's my opinion. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/09/2018 11:49 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing TDE. Some threads here: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201712::d:t There was discussion last year about adding TDE but it never went anywhere. I'm looking at it this way, Devuan is an alternative to systemd and Trinity is an alternative to plasma and I strongly feel systemd and plasma are married to each other and I feel Devuan and Trinity are made for each other and should be working together. Upstream is pushing to sew systemd into every piece of desktop software and operating system it can and will only make Devuans work harder and the more real estate and partners Devuan can make now the easier it's going to be upstream and the time is now not later. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Ceres - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unable to "Load missing firmware from removable media"
On 05/10/2018 07:05 PM, dan pridgeon wrote: I'm trying to install ASCII on a Compaq presaria C700.According to the live boot USB cli, it has a Broadcom BCM4311 802.11 b/g WLAN [14e4"4311] rev 02 for the wireless adapter. This is the package you want for your device: https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=firmware-b43-installer It's a deb, contrib package. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate
On 05/09/2018 03:38 PM, Steve Litt wrote: On Thu, 10 May 2018 00:11:07 +0200 Veteran Unix Admins collective <v...@devuan.org> wrote: Dear Init Freedom Lovers, [snip] When installing from ISO, the expert install option offers a choice of SysVinit and OpenRC. * * \ o / \|/ |S T R O N G M O V E ! / \ _ / \/ / - Devuan: Where init choice is more than a slogan! Congratulations, this system rocks! I recall there was a debate going on a few years ago about Debian moving to OpenRC, I had no opinion then and still don't, is there a list of pro's and con's? Both use scripts? Debian's move to the blob was a total shock to my system. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel
On 05/01/2018 04:51 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 05/01/2018 04:27 PM, chillfan wrote: Whilst the kernels look to have been patched properly afaict (using the backported 4.9 kernel in Jessie), Debian doesn't make it clear if they will rebuild the whole archive yet. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSecurity/SpectreMeltdown "No archive rebuild is planned at this point .." I'm no expert in this, but it would seem better to me if they did rebuild. Stretch is stable and an upgrade of that sorts in debian stable main maybe against Debian policy. Outside of that I feel the same as you. Sorry, I should have said Jessie/old stable. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel
On 05/01/2018 04:27 PM, chillfan wrote: Whilst the kernels look to have been patched properly afaict (using the backported 4.9 kernel in Jessie), Debian doesn't make it clear if they will rebuild the whole archive yet. https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSecurity/SpectreMeltdown "No archive rebuild is planned at this point .." I'm no expert in this, but it would seem better to me if they did rebuild. Stretch is stable and an upgrade of that sorts in debian stable main maybe against Debian policy. Outside of that I feel the same as you. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel
On 04/24/2018 06:16 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Tue, 24 Apr 2018 02:25:30 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message <0bb32fa0-85f5-e27d-322b-d4edaa4b0...@gmail.com>: In ascii/stretch the default linux-image-amd64 is patched, you don't have to do anything special. ..ok, the default ascii linux-image now is?: dpkg -l |grep image |grep `uname -r ` |fmt -tu ii linux-image-4.15.0-0.bpo.2-amd64 4.15.11-1~bpo9+1 amd64 Linux 4.15 for 64-bit PCs In stretch/ascii it's currently linux-image-4.9.0-6-amd64 and it is patched. https://packages.debian.org/stretch/linux-image-amd64 -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel
On 04/24/2018 02:40 AM, KatolaZ wrote:
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 09:49:33AM +0200, Arnt Karlsen wrote:
On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 11:30:27 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message
<2f1aa23a-84c9-a773--58208a9a8...@gmail.com>:
On 04/23/2018 07:54 AM, chillfan wrote:
Great, thanks for the news.
I'm hoping Debian will do a full rebuild to compile everything with
reptoline, as this seems a lot better to me than just mitigating
when a specific problem is found.
Mitigation 2
* Kernel compiled with retpoline option: YES
* Kernel compiled with a retpoline-aware compiler: YES (kernel
reports full retpoline compilation)
> STATUS: NOT VULNERABLE (Mitigation: Full AMD retpoline)
..which linux-image .deb package, and which kernel version is that?
(As in: uname -rv & -l |grep image |grep `uname -r`)
I am not sure I understand your question, but the latest
linux-image-${ARCH} should pull the most recent Linux kernel. Those
are already patched, both in jessie and in ascii.
That is true for ASCII but for Jessie amd64 only meltdown is patched.
When you install the back-port kernel on Jessie amd64 you get fully
patched, you can check this with the spectre-meltdown-checker. For
Jessie i386 stock kernel nothing is patched. Install the backports
kernel on Jessie i386 and spectre 1&2 are patched but 3 is not patched.
https://packages.debian.org/stretch-backports/all/spectre-meltdown-checker/download
Cheers,
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Re: [DNG] Jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel
On 04/24/2018 12:49 AM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 11:30:27 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message <2f1aa23a-84c9-a773--58208a9a8...@gmail.com>: On 04/23/2018 07:54 AM, chillfan wrote: Great, thanks for the news. I'm hoping Debian will do a full rebuild to compile everything with reptoline, as this seems a lot better to me than just mitigating when a specific problem is found. Mitigation 2 * Kernel compiled with retpoline option: YES * Kernel compiled with a retpoline-aware compiler: YES (kernel reports full retpoline compilation) > STATUS: NOT VULNERABLE (Mitigation: Full AMD retpoline) ..which linux-image .deb package, and which kernel version is that? (As in: uname -rv & -l |grep image |grep `uname -r`) ..which backport lines am I missing in my /etc/apt/sources.list here? I have: # cat /etc/apt/sources.list # Devuan repositories deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-stable-security.list deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-security main contrib non-free # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-stable-updates.list deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-updates main contrib non-free # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-stable-proposed-updates.list deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main contrib non-free deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-proposed-updates main contrib non-free # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-stable-backports.list deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged ascii-backports main contrib non-free # /etc/apt/sources.list.d/devuan-experimental.list deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan experimental main contrib non-free deb-src http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/devuan experimental main contrib non-free # Devuan repositories # deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free # deb-src http://packages.devuan.org/merged ascii main contrib non-free ..is the https://devuan.org/os/etc/apt/sources.list recipe now the current proper Devuan way of setting up source listings for ascii? This is mine for ascii: deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii main contrib non-free deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-updates main contrib non-free deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-security main contrib non-free deb http://pkgmaster.devuan.org/merged/ ascii-backports main contrib non-free In ascii/stretch the default linux-image-amd64 is patched, you don't have to do anything special. My post was about Jessie. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Jessie-backports now has spectre patched kernel
4.9.0-0.bpo.6-amd64 is patched, tested on AMD and Intel - Variant 1,2 and 3 patched. Cheers! -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Jessie - KDE 4.14.2 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda5 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Help testing Devuan 2 ASCII installer and upgrades!
On 04/19/2018 11:56 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 04/19/2018 01:00 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 04/19/2018 03:16 AM, Irrwahn wrote: Dear Devuaners, the Devuan team is currently working towards a Release Candidate for Devuan 2 "ASCII". Most of the parts should be already in place, but particularly in the policykit/consolekit/elogind area we are in need of some more thorough testing in order to guarantee correct installation of any of the supported desktop environments as well as smooth upgrades of existing installations. Here is where you can make a valuable contribution: If you happen to have a spare Devuan (Jessie|ASCII) or a Debian (Jessie|Stretch) desktop machine (virtual or hardware) that you feel brave enough to sacrifice for testing the upgrade paths - please do so! Ideally, you should report any irregularities you encounter in this thread. The main observation focus should be set on session related functionality, especially the ability to user mount removable drives and to restart or shutdown the machine using the controls offered by the respective desktop environment. Furthermore, testing fresh installs in various configurations using the latest ASCII mini.iso [1] will be much appreciated, although we should already have a pretty good coverage in that area, but more testing is always a Good Thing[TM]. I'm on it, so far checked md5 and it's okay and I dd to usb and it boots to the installer. :) Currently I'm making some new partitions to test on and that's going to take awhile. I will be installing TDE-Trinity for Stretch and get back to you ASAP. This install is from the current ASCII release with the 4.9.0-4 kernel now fully upgraded and clean with TDE and it's working on 4 different computers intel and amd from 2 cores to 8 cores. Partitions are ready for new install. Everything seems to be okay on this Dell Latitude E6430 laptop, TDE-Trinity is installed and updated, I have another install going on another computer, it's a T20 Dell server. Your mini.iso has worked for me, this Dell T20 server is working fine. Thank you, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - Trinity TDE-3 version R14.0.5 - Intel G3220 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Help testing Devuan 2 ASCII installer and upgrades!
On 04/19/2018 01:00 PM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 04/19/2018 03:16 AM, Irrwahn wrote: Dear Devuaners, the Devuan team is currently working towards a Release Candidate for Devuan 2 "ASCII". Most of the parts should be already in place, but particularly in the policykit/consolekit/elogind area we are in need of some more thorough testing in order to guarantee correct installation of any of the supported desktop environments as well as smooth upgrades of existing installations. Here is where you can make a valuable contribution: If you happen to have a spare Devuan (Jessie|ASCII) or a Debian (Jessie|Stretch) desktop machine (virtual or hardware) that you feel brave enough to sacrifice for testing the upgrade paths - please do so! Ideally, you should report any irregularities you encounter in this thread. The main observation focus should be set on session related functionality, especially the ability to user mount removable drives and to restart or shutdown the machine using the controls offered by the respective desktop environment. Furthermore, testing fresh installs in various configurations using the latest ASCII mini.iso [1] will be much appreciated, although we should already have a pretty good coverage in that area, but more testing is always a Good Thing[TM]. I'm on it, so far checked md5 and it's okay and I dd to usb and it boots to the installer. :) Currently I'm making some new partitions to test on and that's going to take awhile. I will be installing TDE-Trinity for Stretch and get back to you ASAP. This install is from the current ASCII release with the 4.9.0-4 kernel now fully upgraded and clean with TDE and it's working on 4 different computers intel and amd from 2 cores to 8 cores. Partitions are ready for new install. Everything seems to be okay on this Dell Latitude E6430 laptop, TDE-Trinity is installed and updated, I have another install going on another computer, it's a T20 Dell server. Later, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - Intel i7-3540M - EXT4 at sda12 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Help testing Devuan 2 ASCII installer and upgrades!
On 04/19/2018 03:16 AM, Irrwahn wrote: Dear Devuaners, the Devuan team is currently working towards a Release Candidate for Devuan 2 "ASCII". Most of the parts should be already in place, but particularly in the policykit/consolekit/elogind area we are in need of some more thorough testing in order to guarantee correct installation of any of the supported desktop environments as well as smooth upgrades of existing installations. Here is where you can make a valuable contribution: If you happen to have a spare Devuan (Jessie|ASCII) or a Debian (Jessie|Stretch) desktop machine (virtual or hardware) that you feel brave enough to sacrifice for testing the upgrade paths - please do so! Ideally, you should report any irregularities you encounter in this thread. The main observation focus should be set on session related functionality, especially the ability to user mount removable drives and to restart or shutdown the machine using the controls offered by the respective desktop environment. Furthermore, testing fresh installs in various configurations using the latest ASCII mini.iso [1] will be much appreciated, although we should already have a pretty good coverage in that area, but more testing is always a Good Thing[TM]. I'm on it, so far checked md5 and it's okay and I dd to usb and it boots to the installer. :) Currently I'm making some new partitions to test on and that's going to take awhile. I will be installing TDE-Trinity for Stretch and get back to you ASAP. This install is from the current ASCII release with the 4.9.0-4 kernel now fully upgraded and clean with TDE and it's working on 4 different computers intel and amd from 2 cores to 8 cores. Partitions are ready for new install. Later. -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - Trinity TDE-3 version R14.0.5 - Intel P8400 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Unable to Install
On 04/14/2018 10:29 AM, Vernon Geiszler wrote: On 14 Apr 2018, at 18:37, Florian Zieboll <f.zieb...@web.de> wrote: Hallo Vernon, did you verify the integrity of the stick? In doubt, I'd checksum the iso and create a new boot stick. There are also a lot cheap USB sticks around, which anonce a higher capacity than they actually have. The OS does not recognize this on write. IIRC the installer has an option to verify its integrity, too. Can't get to the installer. I use the net install iso. If you have not tried it maybe give it a try. :) https://files.devuan.org/devuan_ascii_beta/installer-iso/ https://devuan.4isp.it/devuan_jessie/installer-iso/ Cheers! -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/14/2018 08:38 AM, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 04/14/2018 08:34 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:22:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 ^^ I really don't know what you mean. *You* mentioned Devuan Beowulf, and I told you that Beowulf is currently unusable. There is little point into reporting problems about Beowulf at this stage: we need to build several packages there before you can do much with it. Apparently you're mistaken, I'm using it now. :) I don't test stable, I use stable, no fun testing stable. :) -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/14/2018 08:34 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 08:22:56AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: [cut] Hello, nice to meet you! I'm the Linux Tester. TDE-Trinity on ASCII is a clean install. [cut] Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 ^^ I really don't know what you mean. *You* mentioned Devuan Beowulf, and I told you that Beowulf is currently unusable. There is little point into reporting problems about Beowulf at this stage: we need to build several packages there before you can do much with it. Apparently you're mistaken, I'm using it now. :) Cheers! -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/14/2018 08:14 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Sat, Apr 14, 2018 at 07:49:35AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote: What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma? Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means? A required package in Beowulf is synaptic and it's not installable. Using aptitude I'm able to install without synaptic, but Trinity has kpackage to help making package installing a little easy. To do a proper install policykit-1 needs to install. beowulf has not been released, and not even announced. There is some work to be done on beowulf's repos before you can install any desktop. It could become usable on server environments relatively soon. Hello, nice to meet you! I'm the Linux Tester. TDE-Trinity on ASCII is a clean install. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/10/2018 04:22 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote: What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma? I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4. What it has acquired in the meantime, I don't know. Answers may be available at: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ root@jimmy-1:/home/jimmy# aptitude install tde-trinity The following NEW packages will be installed: The following packages have unmet dependencies: policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd which is a virtual package and is not provided by any available package The following actions will resolve these dependencies: Keep the following packages at their current version: 1) policykit-1 [Not Installed] 2) synaptic [Not Installed] 3) synaptic-trinity [Not Installed] 4) tde-core-trinity [Not Installed] 5) tde-trinity [Not Installed] Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/10/2018 04:22 PM, Nate Bargmann wrote: * On 2018 10 Apr 16:38 -0500, chillfan wrote: What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma? I've not looked lately, but it started life after the KDE devs stopped supporting KDE 3.5.x and focused on KDE4. What it has acquired in the meantime, I don't know. Answers may be available at: https://www.trinitydesktop.org/ KDE4 would be great, the version in Jessie is a favorite, best install. I just don't want systemd or plasma and I do want a spectre patched system to use, but Jessie is not patched while Sid, Buster and Stretch are patched. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan Beowulf - TDE-Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda8 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/10/2018 02:37 PM, chillfan wrote:
What's the TLDR on TDE? Is it less encumbered with systemd than KDE/Plasma?
Sorry, I don't know what TLDR means?
A required package in Beowulf is synaptic and it's not installable.
Using aptitude I'm able to install without synaptic, but Trinity has
kpackage to help making package installing a little easy. To do a
proper install policykit-1 needs to install.
jimmy@jimmy-1
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`':ddd;:,. Kernel: x86_64 Linux 4.15.0-2-amd64
`'dPPd:,. Uptime: 2h 55m
`:b$$b`. Packages: 1224
'P$$$d`Shell: bash 4.4.19
.$` Resolution: 2960x900
;$P DE: Trinity R14.0.5
.:P$$` WM: TWin
.,:b$$$;'CPU: AMD A8-7600 Radeon R7, 10
Compute Cores 4C+6G @ 4x 1.791GHz [2.5°C]
.,:dPb:' GPU: GeForce GT 610
.,:;db$$Pd'` RAM: 853MiB / 15969MiB
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`$bd:''`
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jimmy@jimmy-1:~$ su
Password:
root@jimmy-1:/home/jimmy# aptitude install synaptic
The following NEW packages will be installed:
docbook-xml{a} libept1.5.0{a} libpcre2-8-0{a} libpolkit-agent-1-0{a}
libpolkit-backend-1-0{a}
libpolkit-gobject-1-0{a} librarian0{a} libvte-2.91-0{a}
libvte-2.91-common{a} policykit-1{ab}
rarian-compat{a} sgml-base{a} sgml-data{a} synaptic xml-core{a}
The following packages will be REMOVED:
sudo-trinity{u}
0 packages upgraded, 15 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 4,196 kB of archives. After unpacking 15.6 MB will be used.
The following packages have unmet dependencies:
policykit-1 : Depends: libpam-systemd which is a virtual package and
is not provided by any available package
The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Keep the following packages at their current version:
1) policykit-1 [Not Installed]
2) synaptic [Not Installed]
Cheers,
--
Jimmy Johnson
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Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/09/2018 11:45 PM, spiralofhope wrote: I had never heard of Trinity until now, and I've done a bit of searching through distributions without systemd: Thanks for the reply, Trinity is not a distro without systemd and probably why you did not find it, but there are a distro or two with no-systemd that use Trinity. Personally I like clean base installs and then add the desktop and Trinity is a KDE Desktop based on the award winning KDE3 desktop that was abandoned by KDE about 9-10 yrs ago, adapted and updated by Timothy Pearson, who used to develop Kubuntu, since KDE3 was abandoned. https://blog.spiralofhope.com/tag/linux-distributions-which-do-not-use-systemd It might still be available for one of them, but I suspect that when I looked, it wasn't the main desktop environment for any of them. Unless there's a packager behind the scenes working on it (fingers crossed for you), Devuan itself doesn't have it packaged, so it's unsurprising that (at a glance) no distribution based on Devuan features Trinity. I was still curious.. I tried to find the developers' reasoning in building it, as philosophies are a fascinating read for me. I had no luck. It appears to be a continuation that matured into its own desktop environment. May I ask your reasoning for wanting Trinity? [ I wonder if you can be convinced of another environment (or none at all) enough to migrate and use Devuan. ] Simple, I'm a point and click user and KDE in my opinion is the best. Cheers! -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/09/2018 11:49 PM, goli...@dyne.org wrote: jaromil . . . I'm pretty sure that Timothy Pearson is the one doing TDE. Some threads here: http://trinity-devel.pearsoncomputing.net/?0:201712::d:t There was discussion last year about adding TDE but it never went anywhere. Currently tde-trinity is a clean install on a ASCII base install but needs work on Ceres & Beowulf, hopefully will be a clean install after Beowulf becomes final and testing I am doing. Cheers! -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/09/2018 11:38 PM, Jaromil wrote: hey Jimmy, On Mon, 09 Apr 2018, Jimmy Johnson wrote: Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! ehrm, who is Timothy? I am not sure what project are you talking about. this is Devuan. we can surely use a hand but never saw Timothy I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity do you know about this? https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Devuan_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Instructions Yes, I'm using it now thanks. however this is the wrong place to ask about Ubuntu. In the eyes of many that is a distro that managed to bloat Debian even more than it is bloated already. we are a bit like at the opposite end of the spectrum if you like. If you are packaging I understand your dilemma. :) Cheers! -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
Re: [DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
On 04/09/2018 11:18 PM, Arnt Karlsen wrote: On Mon, 9 Apr 2018 22:24:23 -0700, Jimmy wrote in message <33140363-b094-a601-c3ce-2f834a6ef...@gmail.com>: Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and computing too. I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu with No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you can do a base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this? ..I have tried TDE-Trinity on Devuan Jessie, but found it flakier than KDE and Plasma. I simply added TDE-Trinity's builddep-r14.0.0 and trinity-14.0.0 debian deb 'n deb-src lines to my /etc/apt/sources.list. Once you comment those lines out, TDE-Trinity becomes "obsolete" and are easily purged. Thanks for the reply. I have no problem with KDE4 on Jessie, the only problem I have with Jessie is that it's not spectre variant 1&2 patched, only meltdown patched. So I run day to day ASCII with TDE-Trinity for Stretch and it's a clean install with no problems. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
[DNG] Ubuntu w/out systemd?
Hey Guys, first my thanks to Timothy who had the foresight to start this project and stay with it. Timothy Pearson you rock! I test Debian and Ubuntu KDE for more than 20yrs, but no more I'm leaving Plasma and Systemd, they take the Happy out of Camping and computing too. I'm looking for a distro that features TDE-Trinity, based on Ubuntu with No-Systemd, or better yet something similar to Devuan where you can do a base install and add TDE-Trinity, anybody working on this? I'm willing to test .iso's. Cheers, -- Jimmy Johnson Devuan ASCII - TDE Trinity R14.0.5 - AMD A8-7600 - EXT4 at sda6 Registered Linux User #380263 ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
