Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2012-02-07 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho
n Tue, 7/2/12, Sigrid Carrera wrote: > > From: Sigrid Carrera > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Tuesday, 7 February, 2012, 18:33 > > Hi, > > On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:37:50 -0800 (PST)

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2012-02-07 Thread Tom Davies
era wrote: From: Sigrid Carrera Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Tuesday, 7 February, 2012, 18:33 Hi, On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:37:50 -0800 (PST) yecril71pl wrote: > > Jean Weber wrote > > > >

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2012-02-07 Thread Sigrid Carrera
Hi, On Tue, 7 Feb 2012 01:37:50 -0800 (PST) yecril71pl wrote: > > Jean Weber wrote > > > > The existing user guides are licensed the same as the OOo > > guides they were derived from, and the templates include this > > licensing information on the Copyright page (GPL and CC-BY dual > > licens

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2012-02-07 Thread yecril71pl
Jean Weber wrote > > The existing user guides are licensed the same as the OOo guides they were > derived from, and the templates include this licensing information on the > Copyright page (GPL and CC-BY dual license). > Note that GPL applied to documentation is void, so it may as well be remov

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-30 Thread italovignoli
toki.kantoor wrote > > >> Look at the difference of opinion expressed by the Creative Commons >> Foundation, MIT, and the Dutch Collection Society on what that license >> means, grants, permits, and prohibits. > > I do not think that "national collection" companies represent a good > example he

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-30 Thread Jay Lozier
ing to look-up and understand the issues (imo)? (lol) Regards from Tom :) --- On Wed, 30/11/11, toki wrote: From: toki Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 16:06 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED ME

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-30 Thread Tom Davies
cumentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Wednesday, 30 November, 2011, 16:06 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/11/11 22:30, italovignoli wrote: > - before deciding to use CC BY-NC-SA for all my licensed documents (mostly >

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-30 Thread toki
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 28/11/11 22:30, italovignoli wrote: > - before deciding to use CC BY-NC-SA for all my licensed documents (mostly > presentations). Most of the lawsuits involving CC Licenses have involved the meaning of the CC-BY-NC-SA license. Look at the diffe

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-28 Thread italovignoli
Jean Weber wrote > > On the documentation list, I proposed changing the license for NEW > docs from the legacy licensing (carried over from the OOo user guides > that were revised for LO) to a different license. [snip] > I have gone though the entire thread, and I have both a couple of things t

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
Dennis E. Hamilton wrote > > > I am confident that an organization that avoids collecting CLAs of any > flavor and accepts licenses to code via e-mail declarations is not getting > any copyrights from anyone [;<). > > Non sequitur. The form used to collect such declaration is irrelevant to th

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-28 Thread Norbert Thiebaud
Tom wrote > > In our case the copyright holder is TDF. > No, The copyright is with the respective authors. I'd be reluctant to use AL2 for the same reason I would not use it for code. It is a license whose only feature is to allow selfish entity to siphon the community works without contribut

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Jean Weber
nwe...@gmail.com] > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 00:33 > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents > > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 18:20, Jay Lozier wrote: >> >> Sounds like it is best to stick with a Creative Com

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Jean Weber
] >> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 03:46 >> To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org >> Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents >> >> Hi Jean, >> >> Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 09:33:06 schrieb Jean Weber: >> [ ...

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi, Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 22:18:33 schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton: > Reassignment is different than adding a license or providing the material > under an additional/different license. > > Reassignment is about copyright. Let's not go there. that would something that would not work in some

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Andreas Mantke
that will be looked for > and honored. > > -Original Message- > From: Andreas Mantke [mailto:ma...@gmx.de] > Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 03:46 > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents > > Hi

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
1 00:33 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 18:20, Jay Lozier wrote: > > Sounds like it is best to stick with a Creative Commons license only for LO > with the author(s) having the rights to re

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
mx.de] Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 03:46 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents Hi Jean, Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 09:33:06 schrieb Jean Weber: [ ... ] > I'll reiterate my comment in another note that if

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Andreas Mantke
Hi Jean, Am Sonntag, 27. November 2011, 09:33:06 schrieb Jean Weber: > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 18:20, Jay Lozier wrote: > > Sounds like it is best to stick with a Creative Commons license only for > > LO with the author(s) having the rights to reassign to others as they > > wish. The problem with

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Do. Please ignore my lengthy previous email! Apols and regards from Tom :) --- On Sun, 27/11/11, Alex Thurgood wrote: > From: Alex Thurgood > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Sunday,

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Tom
Hi :) I think Alex's objections have been cleared away by Dennis's clarifications so i suspect that Alex might well be willing to contribute under dual-licensing. As i understand it the objection was something to do with individuals having to sign an agreement with Apache but Dennis said that wou

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Jean Weber
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 18:20, Jay Lozier wrote: > > Sounds like it is best to stick with a Creative Commons license only for LO > with the author(s) having the rights to reassign to others as they wish. The > problem with reassignment, if I understand copyrights, is that all the > holders must ag

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-27 Thread Jay Lozier
etc., etc.) -Original Message- From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 18:25 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents I'm not quite clear what Alex is observing a

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 27/11/2011 00:53, Jean Weber a écrit : Hi all, Yes, though other contributors have some rights. I'm a bit fuzzy on the details of precisely what the rights of the other contributors are. I've always considered that all are equal shareholders, so to speak, but technically it's more compli

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 27/11/2011 03:25, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : Hi Dennis, Thank you for your comprehensive answer, it certainly clears up a few things for me, even though I'm sticking to my original position of not wishing to dual-license any new work I might produce within the framework of the LibreOffic

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
. Hamilton [mailto:dennis.hamil...@acm.org] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 18:25 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents I'm not quite clear what Alex is observing about rebranding of the New documents Jean is talkin

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
From: Alex Thurgood [mailto:alex.thurg...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 14:35 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents Le 26/11/2011 20:15, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : Hi Dennis, > There is absolutely no r

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Alex Thurgood
Le 26/11/2011 20:15, Dennis E. Hamilton a écrit : Hi Dennis, There is absolutely no requirement to file an iCLA with the Apache Software Foundation in order to use the Apache License v2.0. The iCLA is for contributors to Apache projects. It says so right in the part quoted below. Many p

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Jean Weber
Given that I'm proposing a change to put new docs into the license preferred by LO, I don't see the point in taking up the Board's time. I think Tom covered this well in his note. But I see you have already contacted them... --Jean On Sunday, November 27, 2011, David Nelson wrote: > Hi, > > Gi

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
breoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents Hi :) Ahh, i thought that when the team publishes a document the individuals CC by SA licence is then re-licensed under a new CC by SA licence as the original licence allows? Also, "Hey that's not my

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ks of any origin. Such cases have arisen. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Alexander Thurgood [mailto:alex.thurg...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 07:41 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents Le 26/

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
oo.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 06:50 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents Hi :) Ok, the human-readable explanation claims that individuals within an external organisation would have to each sign their own individu

RE: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
ependent projects that I'm licensing under ALv2 are not contributions to any Apache project.) - Dennis -Original Message- From: Alexander Thurgood [mailto:alex.thurg...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2011 06:17 To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-d

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Tom Davies
Zaphod :) ) I might have missed a few ! marks. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 26/11/11, Alexander Thurgood wrote: > From: Alexander Thurgood > Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents > To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org > Date: Saturday, 26 Novem

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 26/11/11 15:50, Tom Davies a écrit : Hi Tom, > > In our case the copyright holder is TDF. Well at the moment not TDF but the > German community (or is it French?) that is the legally registered > organisation that is looking after TDF assets until TDF is fully registered. > Unfortunatel

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Tom Davies
does have some expertise in exactly the right area although he is not officially employed as an expert and is only giving us the benefit of his opinion for us to weigh-up. Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 26/11/11, Alexander Thurgood wrote: From: Alexander Thurgood Subject: [libreoffice-docume

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Tom Davies
e documentation team that is the contributor? Regards from Tom :) --- On Sat, 26/11/11, Alexander Thurgood wrote: From: Alexander Thurgood Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents To: documentation@global.libreoffice.org Date: Saturday, 26 November, 2011, 14:16 Le

[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Licensing for NEW documents

2011-11-26 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 25/11/11 20:01, Jean Weber a écrit : Hi Jean, > The existing user guides are licensed the same as the OOo guides they were > derived from, and the templates include this licensing information on the > Copyright page (GPL and CC-BY dual license). > > NEW documents, however, could be licensed