Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread J. Moen
Jozef, I appreciate where you are coming from. I must say that while I enjoy D-Star and my internet-connected HotSpot, probably my favoriate activity is to take a small case with my Yaesu FT-817ND and my NUE-PSK PSK modem, along with a small, light 12v battery and a small portable vertical and

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread John D. Hays
On 9/2/2010 3:30 PM, n2gyn wrote: Well, I thank everyone for their comments and Technical info. I think because of my trained ear it makes it harder to deal with the robot sound. It reminds me of effects processing. One thing that puzzles me is, why some stations sound less robotic then o

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread n2gyn
Well, I thank everyone for their comments and Technical info. I think because of my trained ear it makes it harder to deal with the robot sound. It reminds me of effects processing. One thing that puzzles me is, why some stations sound less robotic then others. Why is that?? I am not looking

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
On Sep 2, 2010, at 2:25 PM, Gary wrote: John, WOW! That is interesting, and I did not know. So instead of dstar.wg2msk.sidigital.org via DDNS, I can use his, and get a SSL cert? Yup, just ask him for a CNAME for WG2MSK pointing to dstar.wg2msk.sidigital.org and a cert. This do

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread Gary
John, WOW! That is interesting, and I did not know. So instead of dstar.wg2msk.sidigital.org via DDNS, I can use his, and get a SSL cert? This does point to the one problem I have with D-Star. Information fragmentation, it's all over the place, one group for this, another for that, etc. W

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
On Sep 2, 2010, at 1:50 PM, Gary wrote: We really haven’t used it for anything else, and have no plans to, with the exception of putting a real SSL cert so users no longer have to deal with the warnings. You know that Robin (AA4RC) has purchased a wildcard for dstargateway.net and

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread Gary
Chuck, Since you have it lying around, and don't mind the power bill, might as well use it! I thought about using a ml350g2 I had, but wanted something that would run on 12v, have no moving parts, and use less power than the radios! We have a couple minor utilities running, the only thing tha

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
On Sep 2, 2010, at 1:31 PM, Charles Scott wrote: Gary & All: It's funny how these things go. No sooner did I put the question on this list than I realized we have a spare HP DL385 with a dual-core AMD 2.2 GHz processor, 2GB RAM, and 2x72 GB 10K SCSI drives sitting here at work doing noth

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread Charles Scott
Gary & All: It's funny how these things go. No sooner did I put the question on this list than I realized we have a spare HP DL385 with a dual-core AMD 2.2 GHz processor, 2GB RAM, and 2x72 GB 10K SCSI drives sitting here at work doing nothing. Even has dual supplies and the additional fans al

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread Gary
Chuck, We run the G4ULF system on a Via C7 mini ITX board, 1GB ram, and a 8GB CF card as the HD. The CPU never gets much usage, and it has no moving parts. Only 1 Ethernet port is required. It runs on CentOS. The system cost less than $150 to build, including case. Gary KB2BSL WG2MSK r

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
NI-STAR / Gateway requirements are less than those for Icom Gateway. I think Dave (G4ULF) is using a fairly modest 512 Mbytes of memory and an ITX style board (typically 1-1.6 Ghz. processor). You do need Ethernet and probably would be good to have 2.0 USB for a node adapter. John D. Hays

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Gateway / NI-Star System Requirements

2010-09-02 Thread Charles Scott
All: I've been looking for minimum system requirements for a D-Star Gateway / NI-Star computer system. I probably have a few systems here I might be able to use, but would like to make some kind of intelligent selection. I could probably find the specs for CentOS (Redhat) and base my choice

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
On Sep 2, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Dr. Joeseph Mesh wrote: Some respond to the challenge of acquiring the “knowledge required” to accomplish a remarkable feat of great distance and low power on HF... Others like it handed to them effortlessly with fidelity Which side one agrees with is a p

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Jozef
No where did I imply that you said you would give up HF. :) Differing aspects of amateur radio have their place. That's what makes it, in my opinion, the hobby I never grow tired of. Been pounding brass for almost 47 years now. CW will still be here 47 more years from now. D-Star will most li

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
On Sep 2, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: Like fishing - it's not necessarily how big the bites are, but how fast they are biting - a combination of sample size and rate - seems like there is a rule that sample rate must be twice the highest frequency being digitized - for m

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread John Hays
On Sep 2, 2010, at 9:17 AM, Steve Bosshard (NU5D) wrote: Like fishing - it's not necessarily how big the bites are, but how fast they are biting - a combination of sample size and rate - seems like there is a rule that sample rate must be twice the highest frequency being digitized - for m

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread John Parkins
Hello Jozef, Read the post. No where did I say I would give up HF in favour of D-Star, I said it's nice to have the option of either. When I want to sit in the garden and have a beer and a chat with someone on the other side of the world D-Star is the way to go. When I want to work DX then I go t

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Steve Bosshard (NU5D)
Like fishing - it's not necessarily how big the bites are, but how fast they are biting - a combination of sample size and rate - seems like there is a rule that sample rate must be twice the highest frequency being digitized - for me the test would be with or without hearing aids. steve On Thu,

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Joel Koltner
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Tim Hardy AF1G wrote: > If the bit rate is faster, is not the signal wider as well? You can trade off bit rate either for bandwidth or the signal-to-noise ratio required for reception, which effectively means range for a given power. There are some games yo

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Joel Koltner
--- In dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com, Charles Scott wrote: > For voice communications, 28 bits would be beyond overkill. Even for music, while someone might put up a point-to-point microwave link or similar that happens to have that level of fidelity, I don't think there's any commercial music

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Dr. Joeseph Mesh
Some respond to the challenge of acquiring the "knowledge required" to accomplish a remarkable feat of great distance and low power on HF... Others like it handed to them effortlessly with fidelity Which side one agrees with is a personal issue. Some say "real men" use their heads and learn

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread craigkv5e
One of the design requirements/choices made by the JARL was to provide simultaneous voice/data transport on the DStar DV air interface. This contrained the final (4800 bps/6.25 kHz) air interface to a 2400 bps AMBE perceptual coder with 2/3 convolutional FEC. This left about ~1kilo bit a seco

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] D-Star logo

2010-09-02 Thread Gary
Greetings, I see many websites using the D-Star logo (a star with the word D-Star). Is this logo freely usable to promote D-Star? If so, does anyone have it at 300 dpi? If you do, could you please send it to me? Thanks Gary KB2BSL WG2MSK repeater

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Donald James
Joe, Elabourate, what are your observations, reflections can be good. Donald ~ N2VU -Original Message- From: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.com [mailto:dstar_digi...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dr. Joeseph Mesh Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2010 9:25 AM To: dstar_digital@yahoogroups.c

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Dr. Joeseph Mesh
Don - Initially I agreed with your wife! Things have changed significantly in the last three years. Largely it depends which reflectors one monitors... Thanks.Joe / W8SS / Mesh Engineering / 810-629-5500 AKA: Dr. Joe Mesh, D.M.D., C.A.G.S. (Prosthodontics) from beautiful downtown HELL, Mich

[DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread bosshardss
Hi Jozef, I agree with your point. In the US the FCC regulates frequencies and licensing - the biggest corporate infrastructure around. Yet I keep and enjoy my HF stations and the VHF/UHF stations. Were it not for time and money radio amateurs 'could' construct a world class infrastructure u

RE: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Donald James
This is funny! My wife is clearly a D-Star supporter as well. She's commented that she finds the exchanges more "serious and technical" and that it doesn't sound like a CB". And I too like using my 92AD on just 100mw and catching up with and staying in touch with friends in other cities and countr

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Gerry Creager
There are other codecs and vocoders that provide better audio reproduction than AMBE. That's just a fact of life. There are some (EMBE) with worse characteristics. I do not enjoy using P25 for this reason, either in Amateur or public safety service. (In fact, I believe the poor audio reproducti

Re: [DSTAR_DIGITAL] Re: Bit Rate?

2010-09-02 Thread Jozef
D-Star, to me, will NEVER EVER, replace HF/SSB/CW and the thrill and romance of being able to communicate with another human being without any corporate infrastructure in-between. To give that up would be to surrender to those that control the infrastructure. I am not about to that, nor ever.