Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
The envy fills the damned can. Welcome into 21-st Century Hamming. 73, Vic Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Ah, the season of Good Will To All Men from some of our friends across the English Channel again, I see. Yes, Victor - envy abounds in the minds of some. Still, it does help if people read the rules first! I'm sure that Martti and Olli did, but more fool them if they didn't. Look on the bright side - at least it's not VK0H or BS7 that they'll disqualify this time! We'll see. Dave Victor Goncharsky US5WE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The envy fills the damned can. Welcome into 21-st Century Hamming. 73, Vic Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary Danaher Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:56 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
I don't know. Martti and Olli wanted to give DX'ers a first QSO with FJ, not let everyone fill in all the band/modes they could. It wasn't an end-all DXpedition and I deferred to only one QSO with them, on 40 CW, in respect to everyone else who wanted a QSO. FJ is a beautiful tourist island. It is not difficult to get to. Heck, when I was there, Henry Kissinger's yacht was moored in Gustavia. There will be lots of other operations from there. I'm surprised the resident hams aren't going all-out to give everyone more band/modes with the island. 73, Zack W9SZ On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, HK3CW wrote: Yeah, There are fighting to be the only station and now they aren't even on the air...so why all the fuzz? Rob HK3CW - Original Message - From: Joe Subich, W4TV [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 10:17 AM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Well, if you happened to stay around long enough to work both stations, this would be causing somewhat less angst. Well ... more people might have worked the second station if they had operated on other bands (15, 30, 160) or modes RTTY instead of following FJ/OH2AM from band to band. Anyone notice that the second station disappeared as soon as FJ/OH2AM went QRT? The whole thing stinks. 73, ... Joe, W4TV Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 5L2MS rejected by DXCC as a Shipboard Operation
Greetings all, Thanks to everyone who sent me private e-mail earlier today concerning this situation with 5L2MS. It does indeed seem that the operation was very much land-based and I suspect it will be rectified in the coming few weeks. Now, if only YA/LY1Y would count grin! Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:05 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Worth reading ... CEPT Regulations
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Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Question 1. Why did Martti not use his own call? Question 2. Is there just a thing as a written license for CEPT. If you go to Canada, you don't get a written license to operate VE3/W3WN. Question 3. So where are all the native FJ ops? Not on the air. Barry W2UP Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Peter Dougherty Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:05 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Speaking about FJ, H boy, this is about to get interesting http://arp75.free.fr/Lettreaucomitedxcc_english.pdf All I can say, I'm glad FH5KH was QRV also. Cheers, Peter, W2IRT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] qsl cards from HS0ZCW
Currently, I am up to date on answering cards for HS0ZCW contacts. If you have sent a card to me direct, and have not gotten a reply from me, please send an email to me. I am continuing to check the reliability of my mail. Today, I think it is ok, but it is good to check. Buro cards go out about every 3 months. Personal quirks: no eQSLs, no LoTW, no responses via email only. Thanks to all for the wonderful color photo qsl that my whole family loves to look at. and maybe learn some world geography, too. Happy New Year, 73Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] cost of QSLing
I have several months of data re the cost to me to QSL by post sending from Thailand government post office: Total cost of my card and Thai post office charge for air mail of one card inside sealed envelop: far away $1.36 USD closer..$0.78 USD The exact definitions of what far and close is not specified, but the percentages are about 70% for far. This does factor in the cost of supplying envelops and postage for those who did not send same. The cost is helped by a very reasonably priced local card printer. 73, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] cost of QSLing
So use a QSL manager and save everyone time and money you keep bringing this up time and time again. John K5MO At 07:53 PM 12/28/2007, Charles Harpole wrote: I have several months of data re the cost to me to QSL by post sending from Thailand government post office: Total cost of my card and Thai post office charge for air mail of one card inside sealed envelop: far away $1.36 USD closer..$0.78 USD The exact definitions of what far and close is not specified, but the percentages are about 70% for far. This does factor in the cost of supplying envelops and postage for those who did not send same. The cost is helped by a very reasonably priced local card printer. 73, Charles Harpole HS0ZCW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Wouldn't it be what type of license FJ allowed, not OH ??? Bill - Original Message - From: GERRY To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Cluster node for US spots of dx only?
I have been away from dx-ing a while, and have not used the Dx Cluster system in several years.I would like to find a node that only shows spots made by U.S. stations. Are there any left that do this? Yes, I know that I could set filters, but for the moment that is not what I want. Yes, I know that some folks like to know when G-land can hear DL-land, but that doesn't interest me, so I see no need for the ten thousand spots per hour that don't pique my interest. I am looking for a Dx node that only shows dx spots made by USA hams. Can anyone tell me of any please ?? Thanks !! 73 de Jim K4PYT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Cluster node for US spots of dx only?
I use rxclus and then telnet onto a cluster and set my dx and alarm windows just to show what I want. Mark N1UK G3ZZM - Original Message - From: James Nipper To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, 28 December, 2007 9:11 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Cluster node for US spots of dx only? I have been away from dx-ing a while, and have not used the Dx Cluster system in several years.I would like to find a node that only shows spots made by U.S. stations. Are there any left that do this? Yes, I know that I could set filters, but for the moment that is not what I want. Yes, I know that some folks like to know when G-land can hear DL-land, but that doesn't interest me, so I see no need for the ten thousand spots per hour that don't pique my interest. I am looking for a Dx node that only shows dx spots made by USA hams. Can anyone tell me of any please ?? Thanks !! 73 de Jim K4PYT Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Cluster node for US spots of dx only?
Hi, Pay some nice girl to do that filtering for you! 73 and do not mind me, Goran, T98G (soon E78G) - Original Message - From: James Nipper To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2007 3:11 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Cluster node for US spots of dx only? I have been away from dx-ing a while, and have not used the Dx Cluster system in several years.I would like to find a node that only shows spots made by U.S. stations. Are there any left that do this? Yes, I know that I could set filters, but for the moment that is not what I want. Yes, I know that some folks like to know when G-land can hear DL-land, but that doesn't interest me, so I see no need for the ten thousand spots per hour that don't pique my interest. I am looking for a Dx node that only shows dx spots made by USA hams. Can anyone tell me of any please ?? Thanks !! 73 de Jim K4PYT __ NOD32 2754 (20071228) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Wasn't that the call used in P5/OH2AM ?? GERRY wrote: It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. call name address zip city class @sral.fi email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AM OH-DX-Ring Ry PL 73 02381 ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - *From:* Zack Widup mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Ronald Loneker Sr.- KA2BZS #1DXCC Honor Roll - 9BDXCC A-1 Op - QCWA http://www.cwforever.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms
Yes. The CEPT license will allow any OH with a license class L, P, T, Y to operate in any CEPT country including FJ. Of course BOTH OPERATORS hold class Y licenses. It also appears that one of the operators may, in fact be trustee of the club callsign used. What's the beef other than a case of sour grapes from a few Frenchmen who were too late to the party and missed le nouvelle Beaujolais? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of GERRY Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 9:17 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Bill, Yes. The CEPT license will allow any OH with a license class L, P, T, Y to operate in any CEPT country including FJ. There is no mention of the C class OH license. It's certainly one for the DXCC Desk to sort out. Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Bill To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 6:55 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms Wouldn't it be what type of license FJ allowed, not OH ??? Bill - Original Message - From: GERRY To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 8:18 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms It's clear that OH2AM is a club call and therefore Class C. [EMAIL PROTECTED] email OH0B OH0R OH2R OH0AM OH2AMOH-DX-Ring RyPL 7302381ESPOO C http://oh-callbook.sral.fi/?call=oh2amname=addr=zip=city=; class=lang=EN It's clear that the CEPT regulations does not include class C in their OH allowed CEPT users. Appendix 2: http://www.ero.dk/doc98/Official/Word/TR6101E.DOC Gerry VE6LB - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Friday, December 28, 2007 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] FJ Can of worms On Fri, 28 Dec 2007, Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: A very interesting document. I noticed that one item appeared to be missing... when the first complaints surfaced, one of the charges was that of possibly illegal entry to FJ via a privately chartered boat, as I recall. No mention of that in the letter. As a certain fictional television character used to say, Fascinating. The charge over the alleged misuse of the club callsign for the DXpedition is probably the most serious complaint. But as meticulous as Martti usually is on planning his jaunts, I find it hard to believe that this detail was overlooked. And, of course, nobody's perfect, so it may have been a true oversight on his part. I wondered about that myself. As you said, Fascinating! But... was a license issued, and if so, what call was on it? If FJ/OH2AM was on the license -- does that make the operation invalid? I'm sure that's one of the things the DXAC and DXCC desk will get to iron out, a task I don't envy them. I was under the impression that as a CEPT country, anyone from another CEPT country could just go there and operate. I could just go and operate as FJ/W9SZ. The main contention seems to be now about the callsign used after the FJ/. Having said that... I've got to tell you, gang, that this is one of a string of disturbing precedents that we've seen over the last few years. Sort of a DX'ing version of NIMBY. Recall all the complaints from the HP hams over the H8A trip a few years back, for one (specifically over the actual call on the license)? And there have been others along the same lines, which many of you know much more about than I ever will. I can't blame some of the resident FJ hams from feeling that their triumph got trumped, that their own plans to inaugurate the new entity in their own way got pulled out from under them. Under similar circumstances, I might feel the same way. But whatever happened (I ask rhetorically) to good sportsmanship? 73, ron w3wn So where are they? Why aren't they doing a similar operation when they know how much in demand the entity still is? 73, Zack W9SZ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems
[DX-CHAT] FJ: Canned Worms (long)
Before I say anything, if I come across a touch cranky, I apologize in advance. Had a family event run late, which caused me to miss a small social event at W3WH's QTH; worse, my geriatric dog left me an unwelcome present, the less said about that the better... Ahem. It seems to me that, after taking a step back and giving the matter some thought, we have two separate but inter-related major issues here. First, the issue of the legitimacy (for DXCC purposes) of the FJ/OH2AM operation. Many of the issues appear, IMHO, to be at best trivial or technical (or both) in nature. But let's look at some of them anyway. The matter of how Martti and Olli arrived on the island strikes me as somewhat irrelevant, especially in view of statements from others on this reflector and others about how strict access is -- or isn't. Since that issue wasn't raised in the F6GOX/FJ5BL letter, which implies there wasn't much if anything to the original gripe, we can probably forget about this. Then there's the matter of the use of the OH2AM call itself. Now, on this matter, I'm on shakier ground since I'm not extremely familiar with the CEPT regulations. But the implications in the letter of criminal offenses bother me on several levels. Here in the US, there's a difference, often a big difference, between minor (misdemeanor) and major (felony) infractions. To my mind, criminal is usually close to synonymous with felony. Somehow, using a club call for operating -- a club call that the trustee was operating, amongst others -- just doesn't rise to the felony level. Which is not to say that if the indicated CEPT regulations are valid, the use of the club call may have been a mistake. Now, many of you know Martti personally, probably better than I (I'm still impressed that the man remembers my call, but that's another story). He's one of the top DX'ers in the world -- possibly THE top DX'er at present. One of the reasons for this is that the man is known as a meticulous planner. Few if any details miss his attention; that's why he's one of the best. Is it possible that he simply overlooked the CEPT reciprocity regulations on club calls? Sure. It's possible. A few days ago, I would add but unlikely. But no one's perfect. And it is not unreasonable that he and Olli may have simply assumed that since CEPT covered their personal calls, the club call was also covered. Or, they may have checked with someone who was supposed to be familiar with the details of the regulation, and were incorrectly informed that CEPT covered the club call too. The preceding paragraph is assuming on my end that the implication in the F6GOX letter, that club calls are NOT covered under CEPT, is correct. Let me be clear that I am NOT stating this as a fact. I honestly don't know. IF this is correct... if the club call was improperly used... is THIS enough to cause the DXCC desk to disapprove of the operation for DXCC purposes? I don't know the answer to that... only Bill Moore NC1L can ultimately answer that. I've met the man several times and corresponded with him on other issues; I have no doubt that he's an honest man who will make the best decision that he can. Now regardless of what his decision is, there will be controvery -- the proverbial can of worms. If the operation is disallowed, you will hear one group complaining about a minor triviality. If it is allowed, you will hear another group counter-complaining that it was only approved because it is Martti, and Martti Can Do No Wrong. So I don't envy Bill or the rest of the DXCC staff on this one -- anything they do, someone will cry foul. Which starts to move into the second major issue. Why is this controversy being raised at all? Some will say that it's because Those Who Believe In The Purity of DXCC are just trying to be fair. If you believe that, we have to get back to discussing the price of that beachfront property in Arizona you're buying from me again. Sorry, but I feel that (as I mentioned in an earlier post) that this is another application of NIMBY -- Not In My Back Yard -- Syndrome. In other words... it comes across as sour grapes from some of the FJ hams. Let's look at some history, or at least as much as we know. The French Ministry decreed that St. Barthelemy become an Overseas Collective on February 21. (And how many knew of this at the time? I dimly remember hearing something about the possibility... but contrast that with the developing situation regarding political changes in the Netherlands Antilles, which we've all been aware of for many months now). And this was the effective date of this decree, so this had been in the works for awhile. Nothing appears to have happened until July 2, when the US State Department first proposed that their list of Dependencies and Areas of Special Sovereignty be updated. The next time something happened was when FJ5DX petitioned the DXCC Desk on November 8. Again, something that happened quietly. It wasn't
