Somebody get this man laid. He is hallucinating of a life back in 1850
when $300 could have bought him all that...
Robert, my madcap friend, it is not so much the volume of gloriously
passive monthly money ($300), but the style and ease of having an
investment in the e-gold universe
Having been
What a day for gold, with wild swings up and down, still ending up though:
http://kitco.com/charts/popup/au24hr3day.html
Like the previous day, a very turnaround signal - maybe a short down
leg will start...
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For god's sake Graham does your email work pal?
Send me an email off list dude !!
Guys,
For built in PGP encryption and secure emails, go to MailVault.com , and
register an account. I use them, and recommend them!
Incidentally, be careful of these centralized-email systems, if
privacy
Dear Jim,
Dear JP,
For built in PGP encryption and secure emails, go to
MailVault.com , and register an account. I use them,
and recommend them!
Just for what it may be worth, a client of mine in France
opened a MailVault account in 1999 on a visit to Costa
Rica. Then Laissez Faire City
well the NY market made a good balance day which would have
suggested a little down leg was starting. But just now in overnight
markets the price has popped up a couple dollars!
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(Where's Danny for an analysis?!)
https://www.dbourse.com/guests/
I noticed that over the last few weeks there was sort of a offer
war -- somebody wanted to sell a share at 104, then someone
undercut them at 103.90 and so on ... the cheapest sale for sale now
is 102.9, currently!
Secondly,
Also, what is your opinion of the top 3 hard gold assets to own for
investment purposes? (I am speaking of the ones that are readily sellable in
a high priced market.)
Well I think owning IG gold (goldmoney, e-gold or
whatever) is probably your best bet Gordon.
You can always sell e-gold at or
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/12/1201_031201_republic.html
or http://makeashorterlink.com/?F278153B6
with $400,000 - oops, I mean $180 MILLION (now!) worth
of gold! And it's in INTERNATIONAL waters, so finders-keepers
is still possible! WooHoo! Hopefully good video soon of the
It depends. If someone sells their gold for a certain amount of USD, say for
a wire or check, and he later wants a refund, I think it is proper to deal
in USD. The gold was sold at the time of the order and you are now dealing
with dollars.
Nuh. Note that you say John
The gold was sold at the
How do you make a link people can click to automatically take
you to e-gold's shopping cart for them to pay you a preset
amount?
http://698942-USD20.00-Gold.e-gold.com
just replace the account number and the price you need.
Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon.
It should always be
I was just kidding dude -- that is the first ever custom e-gold
number - MY number!
:)
why use that #?
Also, that's the wrong number at the start Gordon.
It should always be 241164
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only hours to go until the massive DIVIDEND is delivered unto me.
I now understand how women feel when they have orgasms.
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However, PGP is extremely vulnerable to keystroke logging.
Clipboard pasting your PGP password simply shifts the
vulnerability to clipboard logging. And the PGP private
key would seem to be something one could grab off the
user's hard drive over the 'net.
its always vaguely annoying when
At 5:32 AM -0500 11/25/03, Jon Jensen wrote:
...
If someone has these details maybe they can make a new posting to let
others know the basics.
(Google's your friend for details, but...)
A DDOS is a Distributed Denial of Service attack. It's accomplished
when a script-kiddy (they're almost-never
the world before e-gold feels like the world currently!!
what a
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On Monday, November 24, 2003, at 05:43 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
the world before e-gold feels like the world currently!!
Zen man awakes and speaks enigma. New wonders on horizon?
Heh - well their bastard server is down! So the world at the moment
feels like the tedious world before
I fear, the only way to change this would be if someone offered DGC DGC
automatic exchange interface which merchants could implement into their
payment gateways.
Indeed - this is what I have proposed for a long time.
Say you had an IG where you could make payments, of course, to your
fellow
I think one thing at a time is good Robert, to get it done!
If Sidd just adds in Pecunix, a system where you can say pay - using
e-gold - Robert - 979797 - 25.00 grams that would be a huge chage in
the IG universe.
Regarding what you say below, astonishingly we more or less DID all
this in v2 of
What a curious comment, which of the IG's was started by an
exchanger under these circumstances?
Regards,
Sidd.
That one's an example of the Robert gone mad side of Robert, Sidd! :)
Not neccesarily ...
MetalEscrow (now Open2Exchange) - Pecunix
that one was the other way around, though ..
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Of course you put a COMMA between groups of three numbers in big numbers.
Good grief.
Give us a break JPM. John Kenrick didn't just make it up. I was taught to
use a space, and never a comma at school and have done so ever since.
That's likely because you grew up
At 3:29 PM +1300 11/19/03, Sidd wrote:
Ok, so does e-gold currently have a trustee or not? Did the existing
trustee resign or not? Who is the current trustee?
Why do you waste wear and tear on your keyboard typing, Sidd?
I'll bet anyone $100- there will be no sort of answer, at all, from
e-gold
The whole issue is an excellent example that the emergent quality of
committees is idiocy.
Of course you put a COMMA between groups of three numbers in big numbers.
Good grief.
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So who's the new trustee at e-gold, BTW ?
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What is your take on the likely machine buying targets?
I dont think machine buying is involved in the gold markets IMHO
Meaning, will
traders have buy orders after a close above $400.00 or will they take
profit when the market touches $400.00 and falls back to around current
levels right
For what it's worth, that was a typical balance day or doji JIm ...
often a turnaround signal or start of the next leg
Note that it was a pretty dishevelled, untidy balance day so
nothing to worry about too much :)
http://www.tfc-charts.com/chart/GD/24
(you can very clearly see a channel
Indeed, last night my wife and I went out for supper with a neighbor
couple who collect wine. He brought a 1989 Margaux ..
which Chateaux dude ???
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Now, all they need is jpm's software to run an e-currency on it.
Hey jpm
You have a huge untapped market with this DGC software of yours..
Perhaps some (not so) crazy Dutch will create 'e-weed' based on the market
prices for soft drugs in Holland, and redeemable for the real stuff when you
visit
I think it would be great, as Danny says, to have an e-land currency.
Observably, this could be done.
Would it be a success? Who knows, but it would be great to have a go.
The various points people have made (including me) about why land is
not suitable as a Money are all very well. But
JP, why don't you rise to the occasion? ;o)
I would have no interest in doing it, and would not be interested in
being involved in such a project.
(ISL can sell a DGC Software Pak to anyone who is interested in same, though!)
As Danny says, Money is what people are willing to accept as such,
Hello David,
Isn't your model a bit too abstract, yet at the same time incomplete as it
does not allow for growing population and continued reduction in arable
land? ..
Hello Robert. Just FWIW, note that
(i) land nowadays has almost nothing to do with making food.
within say 50 years,
At 7:31 PM +1100 11/7/03, David Hillary wrote:
The value of land is somewhat unique, as it it based entirely on the
expected future rents, and not on construction costs. Because land is not a
produced good. Buildings are produced goods, and building rents depend on
construction costs (specifically
What is the best way to fund E-GOLD account with credit card ?
Which exchanger will do (must be one thats for many years in bussiness) and
what will be the costs ?
Thank you
PEKALIS
Graham Kelly seems to be the master at letting people buy gold with a
credit card, Pekalis.
He is perfectly
I also own Bamdex (www.bamdex.com ) the Bailed Metal Derivatives
Exchange, the brainchild of JP May ..
Regards
Marco
That is correct, you'll all recall ISL sold BAMDEX to Marco in toto
some three months ago!
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Just to add to this discussion...
Note that gold is a Thing - specifically an element, element 79.
If humans or conscious thought didn't even exists, gold (and the
other elements) would exist. They are objects.
In exact contrast, land is a mental construct. Land has no physical
component.
as anyone can see by looking at a 6 mo. gold chart,
gold is either
(1) making a super-clear double top and is going to go straight down to 340,
or,
(2) starting from the 7 July, gold is in a fairly steep hill going
upwards, and you can clearly see it has touched the bottom of that
hill one,
(1) making a super-clear double top and is going to go straight
down to 340,
or,
(2) starting from the 7 July, gold is in a fairly steep hill going
So right NOW (well in next day's NY trading) this critical decision
is being made!
So what you're saying is, the price of gold could go
The last 5 sales on dbourse for TGC shares were at 102.5 grams!
https://www.dbourse.com/guests/
Dividend payments are just over an hour away.
Regards,
Joel Bruce
http://asianagold.com
moreover Joel !
Note the 'sell shares' screen. It looks like the person who moved
their bid for two from 97
Inflation by definition is rising prices, or conversely your money becoming
worth less.
Surprisingly, no John !!
The proper* definition of inflation, is an increase in the money supply.
Think of a balloon inflating - indeed the way cosmologists use the
word inflation to describe the universe,
At 4:08 AM -0600 10/31/03, Cambist.net wrote:
Before JP bought the share, both the TGC share and the e-gold existed. He
bought the share with e-gold, the ownership of these two things changed
hands. How is this inflationary?
It's Mad Robert's magic inflationary mice, John :-)
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At 11:55 AM +0200 10/31/03, Danny Van den Berghe wrote:
Decay: gold: no land: no
Limited supply: gold: limited , although still mining an extra 2% per annum
land: obviously limited. Some categories of land are
actually getting scarcer (ex. forests)
Productive: gold : no
Patrick I don't think it is worth arguing with Robert because he is
both mad and brilliant :)
JP
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Just a foot note,
one problem with land specifically is that it is only owned by the
Sovereign - the people who laughably think they own land are just
renting it from some government (by paying land tax etc) and the land
can be take back by the gov. at any time for numerous reasons
In
there you go Jim, sure enough it dropped 5 bucks ... :O
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Yes, this is true , especially in the electronic age.
You're probably right there Danny, money multiplies more efficiently
with modern communication systemsand ever broader assets and
liabilities are able to be included in the multiplying effect :O
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Assuming that both claims are valid and perfectly reliable, neither
of these scenarios increases the amount of money available for use
in trade.
I assume your questions refer to some motivational effect, where the
existence of a system prompts more people to find assets
Hello guys,
I would need a cheap cazino software (e-gold based) . Could you help me
here ?
Thank you
Karl
ISL can help you for no more than a couple hundred grand!
(Our motto - reassuringly expensive)
Mind you, I see http://www.thegoldcasino.com/ (note the news story)
that some #%$@^%$
Can any of the PERL developers on this help me write the following line
of code without the use of psuedohashes? It will be greatly
appreciated.
my $file = @_ == 2 ? $_[1] : $_[0]-{FILENAME};
Khurram Khan
what is a pseudo hash dude??
@_ as a scalar the number of arguments passed in
https://www.dbourse.com/guests
the person who is bidding on two at 97 has apparently increased that
bid to 98 !!
how many days in October?
I wonder if some weak hand will give in and sell at 98? (I
certainly hope not - that would be a 2% price plummet)
Will the bidder withdraw the bid
BTW Karl the software for an Online Casino is of so little
consequence it's not even worth mentioning. The key things are your
marketing, staff, float, etc etc.
I would think that the software would be of paramount importance, lest some
cracker rig the games and steal all your money.
insert
You are certainly a strange fish Robert, you say some incredibly
amazingly bizarre things, and then you say some incredibly subtly
correct things, and from time to time you give up some astonishingly
useful knwoledge! I've always thought this. Sometimes you come off
as a complete crackpot and
Dear Robert,
Up to and just prior to the South Sea Bubble :o)
I remember those times. That Newton, what a hoot.
Be sure to read _Quicksilver_!
What you are talking about is par value.
Jim, are you saying that (as Rob mentioned and I quote pre south sea
bubble) that the par value of stocks
I wonder why people don't do this more often with, say, Microsoft shares.
Patrick, people DO DO exactly that with MSFT shares! measured in the
billions of dollars, as a completely common and every day matter,
just how financial systems normally work every minute --
it's one of those weird
Did you know that when stocks of share were first introduced, they were
redeemable at base/face value?
Which historical period / region are you thinking about there, Robert ??
JP
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So, it looks like we're both going to miss on the gold
price hitting $400/oz for that discussion we've had
over on dgc.chat. That price might be as much as 45
days from Friday. Call it 8 December. It may be as
soon as 36 days from Friday. 30 November. The Friday
closes nearest those dates are
The present issue of FGMR is as astonishing as usual...
Subscribe (fgmr.com) or be lost
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Ah, Danny - the man with no agenda! :)
Hurray!
The TGC IPO shares are now all sold. The secondary market is wide open
now.
https://www.dbourse.com/guests/
Hmm, let me do my job and rain a little bit on the parade again :-)
I just had a little look at the bid/offer book and past trades at
Just for the record Gold-Price.net submitted the buy orders for 15
of the shares
in TGC IPO (3.75% of the total IPO). With two of those shares being
certificate numbers
398 and 399. So you can rule out TGC taking away these shares from the IPO!
hilarious.
Now we can all wait for Danny to
No, it looks like a totally-natural order for 35 shares at a max
price of 100, getting automatically filled at the lowest price
first. Computers do things fast. This was a TOTALLY normal,
boring, run-of-the-mill 35 share order, happening instantly
I don't think the dbourse system has
all the TGC shares are sold
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Let's see if this gets through.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?D2B133256
Especially interesting is the article's mention of scandal-prevention
as a possible motivation for doing stock IPOs in this way...
JMR
Of course Google will emulate TGC, Jim.
There's no doubt about it. Stock markets are an
the OBVIOUS place to go if you still want to to get into TGC shares
is the PVCSE... 2995 microshares in TGC are still available there for
0.55 grams... that is an equivalent of 110 grams on dBourse!
http://pvcse.com/ex.change...04
Click the Market Data menu then view open trades...
The
Slightly off-topic, but given the popularity of e-gold-based casinos...
Does anyone know of a good place to read (or discuss) casino
technology?
Dear Adam,
You could ask me! Since our company ISL, once sold OC software! (I
say once sold since it was really a thing in the 90s, and there is
no
Anyway, it's going to be fun watching the market set TGC share prices,
now that they're apparently all in private hands. My prediction is that
prices will be more-stable than typical IPOs where prices go nuts one
way or the other or (frequently) both!
I'm inclined to agree (it's fun to predict
No, no, it's more-complicated and *banker* administrated! Banks
can trace both wires ACH, AFAIK, but with wires they must ask
your permission to reverse funds, etc.
totally incorrect
With an ACH they do as they
see fit depending on the situation or their mood or the customer or
maybe other
I guess that answers the question JimD !
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Sure, that is Joel's company right?
You will never have a problem, solid as a rock !
JP May
Hi,
Have you ever use asianagold.com to exchange egold
to somethign else? How long will they execute your
exchanege.
Thank in advance.
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http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
that was a hammer day, signifying a change in direction
coming :O
That's nice.
Maybe yes, maybe no.
Which direction?
Dunno.
Do you think the $366.50 or so bottom reached intra-day
represents significant support?
My opinion is there is No Evidence
You should reply that you don't use e-gold, could you send GoldMoney
or 1mdcGrams ? :)
I got a similar extortion attempt/spam to my band's email addresses
tonight. Oddly, there is no mention of e-gold anywhere on our
site.
Sent through an open formmail.pl, see below. Quite lame.
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that was a hammer day, signifying a change in direction coming :O
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http://www.apple.com i-Tunes for MSFT users at last.
(Some genius would make a PROXY where you could spend e-gold and pay
the iTunes with that. At a stroke this would at last complete JimR's
desire to be able to pay for music you buy with e-gold)
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Anyone interested in Gold, Money etc. can now at last read the second
part of Neal Stephenson's _CRYPTONOMICON_ . titled _QUICKSILVER_.
Recently released and in bookstores now.
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gold BUST up wards through that limit !
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Ian Clarke's points (I agree more with him than I do with you,
my friend, but you make good points).
JMR
its babble, not worth responding too, Jim! See my other posts for responses.
all property is intellectual property, there is no
that was a key reversal day, it might plummet now...
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The babble seems to be backed-up by some math in this
case, JP. Property that can be duplicated anywhere isn't
like other forms of property,
So what? Sure, there are multifarious, very different types of
property, and ..
so the law tends to treat it
differently.
the law about all of it is
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
gold is having trouble with that 387 level !
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As far as technical analysis goes, I have no idea.
Is there a pennant formation?
it's made a few simple hammers which often indicate a top (look on
any candlestick chart and you'll see it immediately)
A cup? A cup with a
handle? Does it matter if you look at the chart from
6 months out, or 10
Dear Jim,
Can you please tell me again how to best translate
vi et animo big Jim?
With force and intention.
Vi is force.
et is and.
animo is intention.
Magnificent.
So, depending on how it shows up in context, something
like intentional use of force. In other words, a
deliberate act
I don't think that dbourse is safe from fraud in any way, just
because their system is a better solution. I am not even convinced it is a
better solution. Certainly it is not in any way technically better.
I think the trading platform of Dbourse is not better than nyse.
regarding the
I don't see any evidence they _DON'T_ do first-come first
served, so for this year at least (see above) they beat the
NYSE on that issue, IMO.
there's utterly no comparison to be made, unless you know utterly
nothing about how nyse and other stock exchanges work?
you (like, you or me,
Philosophically maybe, but then if you designed the ultimate pyramid
scheme like the NYSE and then created your own laws to protect it, I
would suggest you would be fairly proud of your accomplishment as
that makes dbourse look like a corner store selling day old bread in
comparison. Those are
At 12:00 AM -0500 9/20/03, Jim Davidson wrote:
Imagine how much happier he'll be when Gold Barter
Holdings starts posting dividends.
I WILL BE HONKING TO THE MOON WITH HAPPINESS
TEARS OF JOY
Could there be a happier word than dividends ?
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Dbourse didn't have a shopping cart interface so I didn't fund
my account yet.
To be clear, beacuse there is no shopping cart and it's done by
humans, that annoyed you so much you didn't use it? Intriguing! I
wonder if there's a lot of that?
They claim to be adding auto spends in the future.
My e-gold account is #102468
Since Danny successfuly defeated the Turing numbers, I have finally
PAID him his $100! congratulations!!!
e-metal ®payment confirmation: Batch 24763602
Paid To: 102468(
Amount: 100.00 US Dollars' worth of Gold
Memo: Bet Payout (late!)
From:
It occurs to me that before his raise, Mr. Grasso was
being compensated on the order of an eighth of a billion
dollars a year. Imagine working for eight years, socking
away a billion dollars.
Heh!
JD, my first thought was man, it would be very frustrating to get
your hands on a few dollars
absolutely fantastic
!
The Private Venture Capital Stock Exchange is the second online angel
exchange to allow trading in grams of gold.
http://goldeconomy.com/ct/t.php?l=106
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{ For example.. if you wanted to perform a single e-gold spend at a
time, you could do it through a web interface.. but if you had a
batch of a 1000 spends to do, you would do those through a PC program.
I think that's a bit nutty, Khurram! The last time I did a little
system to make a few
I created an account, but there doesn't seem to be a way to fund
one's account with a shopping cart. One has to email dbourse.
I wanted to place a bid for 5 shares at 90.
Say Rag, did these GET FILLED ALREADY? I don't see it on the order
of sales list .. ?? Or did you not do it yet?
No-one
The whole discussion was about automated attacks on e-gold accounts,
and my saying that the turing numbers where absolutely useless in
that regard, because they are so easy to crack. Etc etc
Like I said (endlessly), I'm sorry if the overall context was
completely in disagreement, Danny. No one
From a link that I saw on Slashdot:
http://shirky.com/writings/fame_vs_fortune.html
I've always though micropayments were an evil concept !! I can
hardly say the word! :)
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It's a mystery Danny as to whether you really don't understand what
everyone's saying to you, or you're just being funny, or what ??
I understand what you are saying but it is irrelevant to the question of
currency effect I brought up.
Not that it matters, but ...
Only irrelevant because you
Excuse me, but I'll copy here the original challenge you gave me in
early February 2002 (you can still check the list archives for it):
This turing image does not defeat the automatic attack. All I
need is a screen capture of the turing image combined with some OCR
software, quite simple.
It is easy to know.
All we do is look at what happened in the past when currency
changed. blah blah ..
It's a mystery Danny as to whether you really don't understand what
everyone's saying to you, or you're just being funny, or what ??
To make BUT ONE EXAMPLE -- BUT ONE -- you tell me, state,
Moreover, I won a bet with jpm here on the list more than a year ago, and
the $100 has never been seen.
Wait, Danny - are you talking about your program for converting
e-gold's gif images to numbers?
As I've said to you a dozen times ...
Put it up on the web, let people feed in a few images, see
Go to http://dbourse.com, press the New User: Create Account, and
create your account. Then you'll need to fund your account -- for
this, note that the account creation instructs you to email
[EMAIL PROTECTED] .
You can fund an account with e-gold or 1mdc, and probably other DGCs
like
At 12:53 AM -0500 9/12/03, Jim Davidson wrote:
Forget all your troubles, forget all your cares
And go to the GOLD Casino...
In bad economic times people gamble more.
As far as I know, indeed in bad economic times the entire
entertainment sector does well.
(The usual examples quoted here are
classic, another prediction!
someone make a note!
It's not a prediction, it's a simple mathematical deduction.
hilarious... at any event, let's put it in the predictions file.
It raises an interesting question -- how are IG systems affected by
moves in the gold price?
(market makers
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