Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Hanno Murphy
I'm shocked to find myself defending the general public, but I do think that you are grossly overstating the issue. The American understanding of advertising is complex. Individual's reactions are not simply based on what they are told, especially in an advertisement. If this were true, you would

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Cara Lin Bridgman
Is it really oversimplification and is it really a problem? I agree that things 8th graders were reading 100 years ago are things college students struggle with now. Take children's literature, such as Alice in Wonderland (which does not present a wordy style) or What Katy Did Next (which is

[ECOLOG-L] Graduate Assistantships in Forest Soils/Biogeochemistry at Virginia Tech

2010-01-17 Thread Brian Strahm
Graduate Research Assistantships in Forest Soils / Biogeochemistry The Department of Forest Resources and Environmental Conservation at Virginia Tech is seeking applicants for multiple graduate research assistantships (4 PhD and 1 MS) expected to begin in the summer or fall of 2010. Research

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Alyson Mack
You make a really good point and I appreciate that you are bringing up this important issue. I am an environmental educator and have worked with hundreds of students from across the country over the past few years. Here is a shocking fact I learned during my graduate studies: most of what children

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-17 Thread William Silvert
It is interesting to see how scientific writing fits with these rules. Consider (iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active. This is certainly not the case with modern scientific writing, but it used to be - consider Newton's Principia, in which every proposition begins with Dico

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Jane Shevtsov
On Sun, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Alyson Mack alym...@gmail.com wrote: the sad truth is, our children ARE becoming more stupid every year. The fact Do you have any evidence for this claim? IQ scores have been rising pretty steadily for a century. (Look up the Flynn effect

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Wayne Tyson
Maybe Cara has stated my case more clearly than I have, but I would only add that, to me at least, clarity IS beauty. WT Eschew obfuscation. --author unknown - Original Message - From: Cara Lin Bridgman cara@msa.hinet.net To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU Sent: Sunday, January 17,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread David M. Lawrence
As a scientist AND a journalist, I would say that Orwell is right, and that you seem to be sorely misguided. There is nothing wrong with writing CLEARLY. Active voice, fewer syllables, etc., etc., do absolutely nothing to lower reading comprehension among the masses. It does absolutely

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all (lengthy)

2010-01-17 Thread David L. McNeely
Well, the original poster was not decrying the streamlining of writing, or the lack of difficulty in reading conveying the same information as more difficult reading. He was decrying the reduction in information content of modern textbooks compared to older ones. As a long-time (40 years,

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-17 Thread Wayne Tyson
All: Methinks there be a flock of sheep who could do with a bit o' shearin' o' at least a wee bit o' excess wool, yet a smidgen of rhetoric, if it illuminates rather than benights the message, or even stimulates enquiry, could be a more therapeutic than painful massage. If 'tis relevant,

[ECOLOG-L] Fwd: Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread David M. Lawrence
Forwarded at Henshel's request... Original Message Subject:Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 20:56:25 -0500 From: Diane S. Henshel dhens...@gmail.com To: David M. Lawrence d...@fuzzo.com CC: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu Thank you

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-17 Thread William Silvert
I must take issue with the phrase one of the few foods native to North America and would like to reciprocate Geoffrey's reference with a reference to a book that my mother wrote called The Taste Makers: How New World Foods came to Old World Kitchens which describes numerous foods from the

[ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-17 Thread William Silvert
Several subscribers have disagreed with my statement about passive/active voice, and I stand corrected. Perhaps the case was best stated by someone who wrote me off-list to say I have noticed a change in the last 4 years...I was instructed by many to use the passive voice and to shy away from

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-17 Thread Henebry, Geoffrey
With respect to the biofuels potential of one of the few foods native to North America, Helianthus tuberosus, let me suggest an entertaining read: The Great Jerusalem Artichoke Circus: The Buying and Selling of the Rural American Dream by JA Amato. Here's the synopsis from the publisher's

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Wendee Holtcamp
Hanno you bring up a very intriguing point about the distinction between what people trust in the medical science community versus the academic science community. I had never put that together but I think you're right on. I get dismayed at how trusting people are of their doctors, and how doctors

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Ken Leonard
From: malcolm McCallum malcolm.mccal...@herpconbio.org Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 19:11:47 -0600 At what point does the scientific community realize that the current surge in patent medicines and nonsense medical devices are seriously eroding the nation's confidence in science? This is not directly

Re: [ECOLOG-L] now I've seen it all

2010-01-17 Thread Val Smith
At age 60, I estimate that I personally have taught, advised, and mentored more than 2,500 college undergraduates over a period of 37 years. From 2007-2009, I also served as Interim Director of KU's Undergraduate Biology Program, the single largest undergraduate teaching unit at the