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From: Ecological Society of America: grants, jobs, news [mailto:
ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of James J. Roper
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:46 PM
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
To reify
Honorable Forum, Michael Zimmerman, and beyond . . .
The Ecolog thread, Science and Religion Dogmatic Conflict actually began in
response to a post in which a professor [of biology/evolution] lamented the
fact that he had lost a grad student because the student couldn't reconcile his
religion
Martin,
Larger brains in earlier modern humans may not indicate that they
were logical, sceptical empiricists. Even if a larger brain necessarily
meant greater mental capabilities, the larger brains of Cro Magnons (for
example) could just as easily have been better at religious thinking, as at
Crants
Sent: Wednesday, 19 May, 2010 07:37
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I, too, appreciate Jane's contribution to this conversation. We can
only speculate on the origins of religion, since religion originated
long before written
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Sent: sexta-feira, 21 de Maio de 2010 5:08
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
There's an old saying, and it's probably already been brought up, that
science is about answering the questions of what, where, when and how.
Religion tries
- Original Message - From: Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net
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Sent: sexta-feira, 21 de Maio de 2010 5:08
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
There's an old saying, and it's probably already been brought up, that
science is about answering
To: Warren W. Aney; ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I agree, well said Mr. Warren. I will restate your words to see if I am on
the same wavelength.
How could all energy arise from the Big Bang without everything being
energy in some form
, news
[mailto:ecolo...@listserv.umd.edu] On Behalf Of James J. Roper
Sent: Thursday, 20 May, 2010 13:46
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
To reify the idea of a god and call it nature offers no explanation of
anything. To say
I have waited to say anything to this, because it was too interesting to see
where the conversation went, but now the below has struck me. He said,
religion
probably didn't come about because any gods revealed their existence to our
ancestors. I suppose that depends on how you define gods, and
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I, too, appreciate Jane's contribution to this conversation. We can only
speculate on the origins of religion, since religion originated long before
written language, or even cave art (if neanderthal and modern human religion
Jason,
If you've been following this conversation to this point, you should know
that, when I said religion probably didn't come about because any gods
revealed their existence to our ancestors, I was responding to a previous
post by William Silvert, who has been consistent about equating god
:37
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I, too, appreciate Jane's contribution to this conversation. We can only
speculate on the origins of religion, since religion originated long before
written language, or even cave art
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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I think it's a mistake to reduce religion to
anthropomorphism/explanations and morality/politics. There is a
crucial third element -- the human capacity
assumptions and move minds in wondrous ways.
WT
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From: Micah Moore mmoore1...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:12 PM
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Thank you for making that point. I agree
.
Respectfully,
Micah J. Moore
From: Adam Sibley s1b...@yahoo.com
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Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 1:42:56 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I've jumped into this conversation late, so I apologize if this has already
the dangers of over simplification.
In summary, truth is hard.
- Derek E. Pursell
--- On Mon, 5/17/10, Micah Moore mmoore1...@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Micah Moore mmoore1...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Date: Monday, May 17, 2010
and there is a birth of insight. Burning bushes and
other hallucinations aside, just about all scientific discovery is thus
produced.
WT
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From: Jane Shevtsov jane@gmail.com
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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science
Derek Pursell dep1...@yahoo.com wrote:
His central point I find striking, in that the modern interpretations of some
evolutionary biologists that propagate Dawkins' selfish gene idea are
assigning traits we'd typically assign to specimens of a species (sexual
selection, the general
people think about the
selfish gene idea here, considering the pool of intellectual heft here to
weigh upon it.
- Derek E. Pursell
--- On Sun, 5/16/10, James J. Roper jjro...@gmail.com wrote:
From: James J. Roper jjro...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict
: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
If you try to apply the scientific approach to such topics, you are stuck
with either agnosticism (because questions about the supernatural are
scientifically untestable, so we should no pretend we have scientific
answers to such questions
.
WT
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From: William Silvert cien...@silvert.org
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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2010 10:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
Another consideration, given that James has brought William of Occam
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Derek,
I think you're right that scientists are apprehensive about religion and
spirituality because they deal with concepts that are outside the bounds of
science. Any idea about anything
Dave had a question that at first glance seems tough to answer, but it
reminds me of what I teach my biostatistics students. Rule number one,
never do anything unless you can explain exactly why you did that thing (as
opposed to any other option), and you have to explain that to your mother so
and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
Science and religion are indeed compatible, providing that people do not use
the ideas and methodologies of one to override or undermine the other...
I think that some of us may forget about the possibility of NOT forming
opinions.
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 18:50, Frank Marenghi frank_maren...@hotmail.comwrote:
I agree with Mr. Sibley. It would be impossible for each of us to weigh all
of the evidence available on every issue and come up with
Silvert
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From: James Crants
To: William Silvert
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 2010 21:27
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
William, please name a religion that cannot accommodate the view
John Barimo jbar...@gmail.com wrote:
stuff deleted
I once attended
a Catholic secondary school where evolution was taught by a priest who
conveyed that a creator (god) was the spark that started life and
evolution was the means of adaptation, so no apparent conflict
] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
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Date: Saturday, May 15, 2010, 1:38 PM
I think that some of us may forget about the possibility of NOT forming
opinions.
On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 18:50, Frank Marenghi frank_maren...@hotmail.comwrote:
I agree with Mr. Sibley
.
Bill Silvert
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Sent: sábado, 15 de Maio de 2010 1:40
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
Science and religion
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Frias-Torres
sfrias_tor...@hotmail.com wrote:
Science is based on fact.
Religion is based on faith.
They don't mix.
These statements, and some others that have come up, show how narrowly
religion has come to be defined in western cultures. In America,
16:14
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Frias-Torres
sfrias_tor...@hotmail.com wrote:
Science is based on fact.
Religion is based on faith.
They don't mix
-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Frias-Torres
sfrias_tor...@hotmail.com wrote:
Science is based on fact.
Religion is based on faith.
They don't mix.
These statements
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Sent: sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 2010 19:42
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I've jumped into this conversation late, so I apologize if this has
already been mentioned, but Annie Dillard addresses the dilemma of meshing
the concept
de 2010 16:14
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Frias-Torres
sfrias_tor...@hotmail.com wrote:
Science is based on fact.
Religion is based
beliefs) on rational evidence or on beliefs with no logical
foundation.
Bill Silvert
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Sent: sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 2010 16:14
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Things Out?
WT
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From: Adam Sibley s1b...@yahoo.com
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2010 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
I've jumped into this conversation late, so I apologize if this has already
been
: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
To: ECOLOG-L@LISTSERV.UMD.EDU
I've jumped into this conversation late, so I apologize if this has already
been mentioned, but Annie Dillard addresses the dilemma of meshing the
concept of a creator with modern science quite eloquently in her
issues that go far outside the scope of this list.
Bill Silvert
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From: James Crants
To: William Silvert
Cc: ECOLOG-L@listserv.umd.edu
Sent: sexta-feira, 14 de Maio de 2010 21:27
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict?
William
Maio de 2010 16:14
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:01 AM, Sarah Frias-Torres
sfrias_tor...@hotmail.com wrote:
Science is based on fact.
Religion is based
that faith and
reason, while fundamentally different concepts, are both valid ideas and tools
of the human mind.
-
Derek E. Pursell
--- On Fri, 5/14/10, James Crants jcra...@gmail.com wrote:
From: James Crants jcra...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re
Silvert
Sent: Wednesday, 12 May, 2010 14:50
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Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
My preferred definition is that science is about seeing the world as it is,
religion about seeing the world
de Maio de 2010 4:18
Subject: RE: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
How about: Science is trying to discover the world as it is, religion is
trying to develop a world as it should become.
Warren W. Aney
(503) 246-8613
For those of you who do not think that this debate is divisive, just check
out the gubernatorial campaign in Alabama. Both sides are going against
evolution to gain supporters!
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 00:18, Warren W. Aney a...@coho.net wrote:
How about: Science is trying to discover the
god.
Then, choose which path you take.
Sarah Frias-Torres, Ph.D.
http://independent.academia.edu/SarahFriasTorres
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 20:18:44 -0700
From: a...@coho.net
Subject: Re: [ECOLOG-L] Science and Religion Dogmatic conflict? Re:
[ECOLOG-L] evolution for non-scientists textbook
Ecolog:
What a pity that evolution scares away religious students. With the
exception of some professional bible-thumpers and other immoral
manipulators, I find most religious people attracted to various dogma
because they are fundamentally (npi) good, and are as sick and tired of
Not on ecology but neatly (albeit a bit old) great book on Eastern religious
beliefs were way ahead of nuclear physics is of course Fritjof Capra's
The Tao of Physics
http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Physics-Exploration-Parallels-Anniversary/dp/1570625190/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8s=booksqid=1273701010sr=8-4
He
that it was and that man was god's favoured creation.
Bill Silvert
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Sent: quarta-feira, 12 de Maio de 2010 19:49
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evolution for non
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