On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 11:12 -0700, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
I've often asked for a bug emulator mode for the keyer
I just wanted to keep the bug
operation, including the ability to send American Morse (which keyers don't
allow because it requires using varying lengths of dashes) when using
: Friday, June 16, 2006 8:37 PM
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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High End Paddles
There are actually a number of cases for longer dashes. With a bug
or SK, for example, one can truly emphasize the yes by sending R
with a long dash in the center (di-daahhh-dit). I
After using a few Bencher BY-1 BY-2 paddles, I picked up a used Kent
paddle. I think I spent $90 used for it. It is far better than the
Bencher stuff and not that much more.
Many people are happy with the BY paddles. As for me, I'm not going
back.
- Keith KD1E -
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If you want to buy Kent and save a few dollars, the kit form is at
http://www.kent-engineers.com/twinkit.htm
Even with shipping to the US, it was cheaper when I bought the paddles 2
years ago than from any US distributor I could find. I wasn't able to
find it in kit form in the US, and I
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Date: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:02 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High End Paddles (Kent)
If you want to buy Kent and save a few dollars, the kit form is at
http://www.kent-engineers.com/twinkit.htm
Even with shipping to the US, it was cheaper when I bought the
paddles 2
years ago than
Darrell:
The better you get, the less satisfied you will be with the
Bencher BY-1. The HEX is quite nice. I'm not sure what the Bencher
folks mean by it's being better for people who are used to bugs. I
suppose they mean that, because it is heavy and hard to knock around,
those with
Quotes from the Bencher website at http://www.bencher.com/whichpaddle.html:
Frankly, the BY series paddle, like a fine sports car or a surgical scalpel,
does not respond well to the heavy physical input such operators are
comfortable with. But that is how old time CW operators, trained on the
Quotes from the Bencher website at http://www.bencher.com/
whichpaddle.html:
Frankly, the BY series paddle, like a fine sports car or a
surgical scalpel,
does not respond well to the heavy physical input such operators are
comfortable with. But that is how old time CW operators, trained on
Darrell Bellerive wrote:
Quotes from the Bencher website at http://www.bencher.com/whichpaddle.html:
The BY series, thanks to its unique pivot-pin bearings, is simply the most
responsive iambic paddle available today.
So, according to Bencher, the BY series is more responsive than the Hex.
Quotes from the Bencher website at http://www.bencher.com/whichpaddle.html:
Frankly, the BY series paddle, like a fine sports car or a surgical
scalpel,
does not respond well to the heavy physical input such operators are
comfortable with. But that is how old time CW operators, trained on the
Using a bug is a very a *physical* activity compared to
keyer paddles.
Ron AC7AC
Yes, the way Morse code should be. A full contact sport. When my shoulder
gets sore from pumping my Swedish hand key, I switch to my bug for some
rest.
Using a bug is a very a *physical* activity compared to
keyer paddles. Ron AC7AC
Not the way I do it. :)
http://wilsonarc.org/images/s-n-p_vibroplex_bug-001.jpg
http://wilsonarc.org/images/s-n-p_vibroplex_bug-002.jpg
http://wilsonarc.org/images/n4wsm_snp01.jpg
72 oo Greg K4KO
!
Ron AC7AC
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Using a bug is a very a *physical* activity compared to
keyer
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Ha! Ha! I've often asked for a bug emulator mode for the keyer so I
could
key like a bug using the paddles when portable, but pundits always jump
up
If there are those of you out there who don't like the feel of plastic
finger pieces on your favorite key, or have broken one es would like
replacements, you may wish to consider my homemade wooden ones.
www.egr.msu.edu/~mulderg My advise for those looking fer a good key is to try
as many
I had an regular on-air friend, a life-long bug user, who, after a long
absence, suddenly reappeared using a keyboard. It turned out a stroke cost
him most of the motor control of his hands, but he could hunt-and-peck with
one finger to send using a keyboard.
You're both examples of the great
Varying lengths of dashes?
I surely don't remember that
when I practiced American Morse
circa 1952.
de Joe, aa4nn
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I just wanted to keep the bug
operation, including the ability to send American Morse (which keyers
don't
allow
Well, actually there is one case. Zero is a long dash which I can't
send with my K1EL keyer or my K2.
www.chss.montclair.edu/~pererat/percode.htm
As a teen in the mid-50's, my friends and I learned American Morse just
so we could get on 80m at night with each other and confuse others on
the
Fred Jensen wrote:
Well, actually there is one case. Zero is a long dash which I can't
send with my K1EL keyer or my K2.
Ooops, there are two cases, I forgot about L. I can't send that with
a keyer either.
Fessing up to that error, I remain,
Fred K6DGW
Yes, those are the two. Actually the long-dash zero is the only one I use on
the Ham bands. Sounds like that's the case for you too, Hi!
Many Hams have given up and instead use a single dash T for a zero on
their keyers, which works OK when heard in context.
My problem is that I can't easily
There are actually a number of cases for longer dashes. With a bug
or SK, for example, one can truly emphasize the yes by sending R
with a long dash in the center (di-daahhh-dit). I miss that kind of
personalizing of code. One can also send, rather than the mundane
dah-di-di-di-dah,
I sure have enjoyed this thread on high end paddles. I have so far mostly used
just a straight key, but with my new K2 and it's built in keyer I would like
to give iambic operation another go.
I had a Heathkit uMatic keyer, model SA-5010, with the capacitive touch
paddles. Had lots of trouble
Darrell Bellerive wrote:
That seems to run contradictory to what I read in this thread and on eHam. So,
do those of you who have used both the BY-1 and Hex Paddle agree with
Bencher's views? Is the BY-1 really better for those using a light touch?
I tend to be a bit heavy-handed with the
Darrell Bellerive wrote:
Reading the Bencher web site it suggests that the BY-1 series is better for
those using a light touch than the Hex Paddle, which is for those more used
to a bug.
I'll put it this way: the BY-1 is *only* good if you have a light
touch! The Hex Key will work fine
I have the BY-1 the Hex Key.
I use a light touch on both.
Tried a heavy touch with the Bencher. It's hard for me to imagine
slapping it
around enough to mess things up. That's some heavy use!
Just my opinion.
73,
Tony W7GO
Vic K2VCO wrote:
Darrell Bellerive wrote:
Reading the Bencher web
I just got a elecraft hexkey and I'm trying to decide which I like better,
my profi or the hexkey.
Greg
AB7R
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I'll make it five!
--
73, Dave G3VGR
K2 #4783
John Webster wrote:
I'll add a fourth vote for the Begali paddles, to Joe's three votes :)
But note: the Begali simplex (dual) paddle costs less ($138) than the Hex
key ($195/179), even including shipping costs from EU; and less than the
I've used all the Begali paddles, Benchers and some others, and I've
settled on the Begali Simplex as my all-time favorite. Pricewise, it's
at the low end of the high-end, I suppose, delivered for $154, I
think. The workmanship is lovely, but the feel, ease of adjustment and
stability is what I
I think the Begali simplex and Kent paddles are the best value for money on
the market for
standard type paddles
I own and love the single paddle versons of both. I send fast. You cant go
wrong with either. I think the begali is slightly better. Both are not
expensive.
UNLESS YOU PREFER A
...and nobody mentioned about i1qod/Alberto Frattini iambic magnetic.
http://www.eham.net/reviews/detail/4034
After 50 years of different keys; this is a performer!
Benny OH9NB K2 #3969
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Well
I guess I'm going to have to order a Begali.
Seems to clearly be the first choice here.
But, which model?
73,
Tony W7GO
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Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 2:39 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] High end paddles
Well
I guess
Has anyone on the reflector tried one of David Saylors Paddles? He offers a 30
day money back guarantee and he may be close enough to you QTH so that you can
try them out. The pictures and descriptions on his web site look great. His
price is a little out of my range for the moment, but
I'm not sure if this is the best place to ask, if not.. I'm sorry. I've
been mulling around the idea of buying a really nice set of paddles.
Not only are some of these a work of art, I imagine some of these keys
have a really nice 'feel' to them. Currently I have my trusty black and
chrome
(need to figure out how to get my name in the from line)
James,
As you probably know high end does not always guarantee the right feel for
each one of us. Over 30 years of trying everything from J-38s to a Begali I
seem to have come full circle back to the keys you already have. I did just
James
I went on the personal recommendation of a friend who is also a top
notch CW operator. The paddles in question are Schurr Profi, which used
to be imported into the UK via a dealer who attended many of the radio
rallies. I had the opportunity to try the paddles at my friends house
and
Like several others here I also use the Schurr Profi. Apart from being
a delight to use, it just looks so well engineered. It certainly has my
vote:-)
Trev G3ZYY
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James
I went on the personal recommendation of a friend who is
On Jun 7, 2006, at 11:21 AM, Dave wrote:
James
I went on the personal recommendation of a friend who is also a top
notch CW operator. The paddles in question are Schurr Profi, which
used to be imported into the UK via a dealer who attended many of
the radio rallies. I had the opportunity
For a number of years I used the Bencher paddles and was happy. Then I
got wind that there was something better. I picked up a used pair of
Kent paddles and guess what, they are definitely better than the
Benchers. Benchers have a squishy / flexible feel, Kent is solid.
I recently picked up a
Also worth consideration is the Bencher Hex key available from Elecraft.
I have the Bencher BY-1 and the Kent TP-1, both good keys but the Hex key
is much smoother. (IMHO)
73,
Tony W7GO
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So, Tony, is the improvement going from Kent to the Hex key as great as
the improvement going from the BY-1 to the Kent?
An Elecraft key for my Elecraft rig - oh man, I sure don't need another
thing to spend money on right now :-)
- Keith KD1E -
- K2 5411 -
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chrome benchers which have worked great for years. I've thinking of
stuff like Begali and the like. I'm a 'try before you buy' type of
person. There's no way I would order an expensive key like that without
trying a few qso's out to see
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
For those
of you that may have something like Begali, how did you find the right
key for you and buy it.. did you try them out?
You really do need to try a key, because once you get away from the
cheaper keys, personal preferences are highly important. For
Hi everyone,
Thanks for all the great feedback. There have been alot of great
suggestions out there. Everyone seems to have their preferences -
what's right for one person might be totally wrong for the next. It
sounds like I have a few options based on some great suggestions:
1. Buy
Unfortunately, a quick trial at Dayton is not adequate to determine
how good a pair of paddles will be for you. It takes living with
them for a while -- indeed, it takes a bit of time (several days or
even much more) simply to get new paddles decently adjusted. The
commonplace Bencher
Begali is the choice of many who over the years
have been through those many keys mentioned
in this thread.
The Begali single lever paddle is the best and it
is affordable. Dual paddles a bit more but worth
the cost.
As for trying a key, when you order a Begali,
order two or three sets of their
Begali is the choice of many who over the years
have been through those many keys mentioned
in this thread.
The Begali single lever paddle is the best and it
is affordable. Dual paddles a bit more but worth
the cost.
As for trying a key, when you order a Begali,
order two or three sets of their
Begali is the choice of many who over the years
have been through those many keys mentioned
in this thread.
The Begali single lever paddle is the best and it
is affordable. Dual paddles a bit more but worth
the cost.
As for trying a key, when you order a Begali,
order two or three sets of their
I'll add a fourth vote for the Begali paddles, to Joe's three votes :)
But note: the Begali simplex (dual) paddle costs less ($138) than the Hex
key ($195/179), even including shipping costs from EU; and less than the
Begali simplex mono (single lever paddle) at $165. Of course, you can pay
Keith,
I would say yes. The Kent has a mechanical feel and sound to it (which
isn't necessarily bad).
The Hex key is much quieter and smoother in operation. The Hex key of
course uses magnets
which gives it a totally different feel.
The flex on the arms is not a factor if you don't slap it
James
When I was in Baltimore for a biz trip, I met LL K3ESE for dinner. He asked
if I wanted to try using the Begali paddles and offered to send me a Begali
simplex dual lever paddle for a trial run. I used the paddles and decided to
purchase the Begali. One of the best HR purchases I have
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