Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes

2018-08-18 Thread Bob Wilson, N6TV
Are you using the PC DATA connector to have the KPA1500 automatically follow the frequency of your transceiver? If so, try setting MENU:RADIO POLL OFF; commands from the amp. could be interfering with radio commands from WSJT-X/OmniRig. You might also try a slower or faster baud rate in both the

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
Also on this related thread: We're way over the posting limit on this one. Let's close this thread for now. (And, in the future, please voluntarily close long threads well before I happen to stop by :-) 73, Eric /elecraft.com/ On 8/17/2018 5:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: Yes. Electricity cost to

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread hawley, charles j jr
Seems like this discussion would be functional if it were ways to quiet the fans without compromising the efficiency of the cooling. Chuck Jack KE9UW Sent from my iPhone, cjack > On Aug 17, 2018, at 7:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Yes. Electricity cost to generate the RF that earns the rev

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
We're way over the posting limit on this one. Let's close this thread for now. (And, in the future, please voluntarily close long threads well before I happen to stop by :-) 73 Eric /elecraft.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Fred Jensen
Yes.  Electricity cost to generate the RF that earns the revenue is a major part of the broadcast station budget.  Not so much for amateurs.  Since FM is constant envelope modulation, it makes sense it would have a lower overall efficiency.  Even Rush Limbaugh has to take a breath occasionally

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Fred Jensen
Yes, it was Class C ... FM is constant envelope modulation.  The ancient 50's/60's rules of thumb were:   Class A: 25% - really linear   Class B: 50% - linear with crossover distortion   Class C: 75% - exceedingly non-linear   Class AB1: between A & B, no grid current - mitigates crossover disto

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread W2xj
Today in broadcast we generally rate transmitters by AC in to RF out. For AM transmitters that figure is in the low 90 percent range and the current FMs run at about 74% AC in to RF out. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 17, 2018, at 11:48 AM, Fred Jensen wrote: > > Well, only if you've figured out

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread W2xj
Actually a class C amplifier can be made to perform as a linear. The technology is over 60 years old but I don’t think it has ever been tried in amateur service. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 17, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Bill Frantz wrote: > > And I would guess it was running in class C, which is not

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Bill Frantz
And I would guess it was running in class C, which is not linear, so only useful for certain modes (including FM). Class C can convert most of the input power to RF power. 73 Bill AE6JV On 8/17/18 at 11:48 AM, k6...@foothill.net (Fred Jensen) wrote: One 10 KW FM transmitter I helped build use

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Wes Stewart
Sure.  That's why during every QSO I ask my partner, "Can you still hear me?"  If he says, "Yes", I reduce power and ask again.  Eventually, we determine the minimum power necessary.  Then the band changes and we start over. Kind of slows down pileups and contesting, but rule are rules, right?

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Ignacy
The theory states that Power in = U I Power out ~ I*I*r So power-in is linear with current. Power-out is quadratic with current. Driving hard helps efficiency but hurts linearity. Max efficiency with LDMOS is about 60% with reasonable linearity and no feedback, but could be > 70% with pred

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/17/2018 11:20 AM, Wes Stewart wrote: Something to bear in mind in this discussion is that we run our equipment in ICAS, not CCS.  Even in a contest situation we probably only transmit half the time.  During the off (RX) time the amp isn't drawing any plate, collector or drain current, nor

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Fred Jensen
Well, only if you've figured out a way to divide by zero. [:-) The term "amplifier efficiency" must have changed dramatically since I worked in broadcast nearly a lifetime ago.  Then, it was the ratio [expressed as a percentage] of the RF power delivered to the 3 1/8" hardline divided by the D

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Rick WA6NHC
Yes for the US at least.  However to provide effective communications, is a subjective term, therefore the entire requirement is vague. Rick nhc On 8/17/2018 11:43 AM, Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT wrote: Isn't there a rule about using the minimum power necessary? _

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT
-Original Message- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles.  I a

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Wes Stewart
ay, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/17/2018 6:43 AM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? Because they don't understand how amplifiers work. :) 73, Jim K9YC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/li

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Ele

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Richard Ferch
KK9A wrote: "...if the heat generated is approximately the same with all power levels, why do RTTY ops use lower power..." First, the heat generated is not actually approximately the same with all power levels. To a first crude approximation, the heat generated is made up of two components. One c

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft
so THAT's why they back off on the RTTY output. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-bounces at mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:43 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Funct

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread j...@kk9a.com
mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:43 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? John KK9A From: Charlie K3ICH Date: Fri Aug 17 0

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread David Gilbert
Not sure why that's a surprise.  It's a linear amp ... the bias point is what draws the current, and therefore essentially determines the dissipation.  There's nothing remarkable about it. Amplifier 101. Dave  AB7E On 8/16/2018 10:17 PM, char...@k5ua.com wrote: Thanks for the replies. U

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread K9MA
man.qth.net mailman.qth.net> On > Behalf Of john at kk9a.com > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM > To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net > Cc: charles at k5ua.com > Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power > > Interesting data, Charles.

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of j...@kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: char...@k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I've said this and measured this for years with tube type amps, where as I hear hams say they are running reduced power to "save the tubes".   That's HOGWASH.  Determine the efficiency at reduced power vs. rated power.    The excessive heat at reduced power has to go somewhere. I view running

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Victor Rosenthal 4X6GP
Because the effect of power dissipation over time is temperature increase. RTTY has a high duty cycle (100% when you are transmitting), compared to 50% for CW and usually something less for SSB (it depends on the amount of compression). So more heat is produced when you run RTTY, which the ampl

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Charlie T
, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of j...@kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 9:43 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power So why do most RTTY users run their amps at reduced power? J

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread K8ZCT
Charles, It is just like your car. You get great gas mileage at certain speeds and driving methods. Worse is at lower speeds, stop and go, and 55 -65 Mph is a good speed for having an efficient mileage car. However, 70-80 is worse on the mileage. Everything has a sweet spot. Nothing is for free as

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread j...@kk9a.com
ehalf Of john at kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft at mailman.qth.net Cc: charles at k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread charles
Thanks to all that commented. Just wanted to make sure this was normal operating behavior. Seemed counter-intuitive but now I think I understand it. Maybe will run a "Time to Temp" test running low power vs. high power. Just curious. Charles K5UA

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Bill Frantz
For those curious about the reasons for high power draw at low power out, it might be useful to review the handbook discussion of amplifiers, and the characteristics of class A, B, and C designs. 73 Bill AE6JV -- Bill Frantz|

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Charlie T
Apply some drive, read some output and the efficiency goes up from there. 73, Charlie k3ICH -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of j...@kk9a.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 8:57 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Cc: char...@k5ua.com Subject: [Elecraft

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread ANDY DURBIN
"There was a similar post about the KPA500 in the last year or so. Elecraft responded that the amp was designed for 500 Watts running less was less efficient and running amp at low power was doing it no favors. " Here is an example of measured PA dissipation for a KPA500: https://www.dropbox.co

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread j...@kk9a.com
Interesting data, Charles. I assumed that running the KPA1500 (or KPA500) at lower power would keep the fan from running as much. I knew that efficiency changed with output power but I did not expect that it was this significant. If your data is correct there is 1000++ watts of heat to dissipate n

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread K8ZCT
I believe most every electrical device and piece of equipment will have some type efficiency curve for power in and power out. A motor sitting at idle is using power, but doing almost no real work. However, at no load it is still using watts. Typically a motor has the best efficiency at around 75%

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Charlie T
craft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of char...@k5ua.com Sent: Friday, August 17, 2018 1:18 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power Thanks for the replies. Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is v

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Roy Koeppe
" Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power." That's the reason SPE amps have a power range selection choice setting. (Me thinks) 73, RoyK6XK __ Elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-17 Thread Nr4c
There was a similar post about the KPA500 in the last year or so. Elecraft responded that the amp was designed for 500 Watts running less was less efficient and running amp at low power was doing it no favors. With the KPA500, so many wanted 1500 W so now you have it, you want to run less? Sen

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency As A Function of Input Power

2018-08-16 Thread charles
Thanks for the replies. Upon further testing, I have found that the efficiency of the KPA-1500 is varies greatly with driving power. The following table illustrates the relationships between exciter power, voltage, current, power-in(voltage x amps), power-out, efficiency, and dissipated power

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes

2018-08-16 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV
Sounds like an issue with the WSJT-X (Hamlib) software not the KPA-1500. I suggest you take the matter up with the developers or WSJT-X and hamlib 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 2018-08-16 1:10 PM, Richard Zalewski wrote: I have been experiencing an intermittent problem with the KPA-1500, TS-99

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes

2018-08-16 Thread Tom
HI, My experience is that you should use OmniRig as the control in WSJT-X. Do not use HamLib. 73 -Original Message- From: Richard Zalewski Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2018 1:10 PM To: Elecraft Reflector Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes I have been experiencing an

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 changes modes

2018-08-16 Thread Richard Zalewski
I have been experiencing an intermittent problem with the KPA-1500, TS-990. When running WSJT-X (USB) occasionally the 990 goes to AM-D1 mode. No reason I can see for it to do that. It does this in RECEIVE. Just to be sure however I put lots of ferrite on all leads involved.. Richard *W7ZR* ex:

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency

2018-08-16 Thread K8ZCT
I would think these RF input versus RF output numbers are reasonable. Everyone's setup will vary for all bands. I haven't looked at the KPA-1500 Utility in a while, but "real" efficiency of the amplifier is a different calculation. Amp efficiency is Power Input versus Power Output, and per Elecraf

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency

2018-08-15 Thread Jeff Blaine
There's no way 40W drives exactly 1500W on all bands.  Here's what I get into a DL (no tuner).  Power measurements based on the LP100 which was calibrated by Larry last year - not what I would call a current cal but certainly better than a generic Bird.  Feed with a key-down in CW, with the dat

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency

2018-08-15 Thread Paul Baldock
Are you saying it took exactly 40W input on each band to produce 1500W out.. I find the gain of the amp very different from band to band. For example on 80M mine takes 32W to produce 1500W into a dummy load, and 15M it takes 47W to produce 1500W in to a dummy load. That's a variation of 1.7dB,

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency

2018-08-15 Thread AB2E Darrell
Just wondering, how much power will the KPA-1500 put into a dummy load? 73 Darrell AB2E From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net on behalf of char...@k5ua.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2018 10:40 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Efficiency

2018-08-15 Thread charles
Just curious what other users of the KPA-1500 see as the efficiency reported by the KPA-1500 utility app. The following efficiencies are being report by my KPA-1500 utility app by band into a dummy load running 40 watts input and 1500 watts output: 80M CW: 61% 80M SSB: 64% 40M CW: 54% 40

Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 and ICom 7560 Pro2 control

2018-08-14 Thread Dick Dievendorff
Would a CI-V cable work for you? I personally tested IC7600 and 7300 and I’ve been told that 7610 also works. The amp looks for the TX frequency message from the exciter. I’m not sure whether a 765 pro 2 sends that. If it doesn’t, I can teach KPA1500 firmware to look for the frequency message t

[Elecraft] KPA 1500 and ICom 7560 Pro2 control

2018-08-14 Thread Cody C via Elecraft
Good day group I am wondering is there a way to change bandson my KPA 1500 by selecting the band on my ICom 756 Pro 2. I have no issueswith the changing bands via a Rf burst. But I would really like it to change bands but selecting  the correct band from my radio.   Thanks you in advance Cod

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread tnnyswy--- via Elecraft
In other words! Keep It Simple Stupid! .KISS! Milverton / W9MMS. On Wednesday, August 1, 2018, 7:49:36 PM CDT, K9MA wrote: If one is going to remote the KPA1500, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to extend the 240 V AC line? Or just install a 240 V outlet at the amplifier

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread K9MA
If one is going to remote the KPA1500, wouldn't it make a lot more sense to extend the 240 V AC line? Or just install a 240 V outlet at the amplifier location. 73, Scott K9MA On 8/1/2018 16:17, j...@kk9a.com wrote: That is why I said "IF" you are making a longer cable... John KK9A David Bun

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread Jim Brown
On 8/1/2018 12:44 PM, j...@kk9a.com wrote: eventually I purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. Call me old-fashioned, but I've installed hundreds of Power Pole connectors mostly the smaller red/white ones used on the K3, but also the much larger grey ones that accommodate

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread j...@kk9a.com
That is why I said "IF" you are making a longer cable... John KK9A David Bunte K9FN wrote: I am also a bit confused (not the first time), but I could have SWORN that the initial query was from someone who wanted a SHORTER cable. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM john at kk9a.com wro

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread David Bunte
I am also a bit confused (not the first time), but I could have SWORN that the initial query was from someone who wanted a SHORTER cable. Dave - K9FN On Wed, Aug 1, 2018 at 3:45 PM j...@kk9a.com wrote: > Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have > purchased custom c

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread Clay Autery
WHICH is why I detailed in the VERY beginning on this thread how to make the longer cable using 4AWG (or larger if desired).  The ONLY place the cable would not be the larger gauge would be in the crimp terminal... IF anyone is interested, I will repost what I wrote  or just email me offli

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread j...@kk9a.com
Elecraft was my first experience with power pole connectors and I have purchased custom cables from Powerwerx. They did a nice job, eventually I purchased a crimper and connectors and made cables myself. If you are making the KPA1500 cable longer than the factory cable it is probably desirable to u

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread tnnyswy--- via Elecraft
I'm missing something here!I keep seeing the question being asked, " What size cable is the power cord?" How about employing the KISS theory. Would it not make sense to make up an extension cord with a length to the approximate desired location from the power source? Such an extension would

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread Richard Thorne
Mike, I went directly to Elecraft with my question. The answer is 6g. I was told to be sure to use the correct crimp tool for the job.  If I make the cable I'll probably just have Powerwerx handle it as they have the correct hydraulic tool for the job. Rich - N5ZC On 8/1/2018 12:56 PM, Mike

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-08-01 Thread Mike Maloney
Okay have looked over the posts, but somehow have missed the actual AWG(American wire gage) SIZE of the stock DC pair?   Anyone KNOW this or maybe even micro-ohm tested (a long shot) it?  Voltage drop (ps to amp) divided by full load dc amps would be close enough.  73,  Mike  AC5P  On Tues

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/31/2018 2:40 PM, K8ZCT wrote: Jim, Please accept my apologies. Sorry for giving you Kudo's for the wrong Handbook. I should have stated that you are are a contributor to the 2018 Edition of "The ARRL Handbook". I have many of your articles and to be honest the ARRL "Grounding Book" has a

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread K8ZCT
Jim, Please accept my apologies. Sorry for giving you Kudo's for the wrong Handbook. I should have stated that you are are a contributor to the 2018 Edition of "The ARRL Handbook". I have many of your articles and to be honest the ARRL "Grounding Book" has a lot of information that is also in th

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Points to consider. A legal limit amp dissipates ~1kW of heat. Small compact amps must provide the same heat dissipation as physically large amps. Thus airflow must increase in order to cool the components in a physically small case amp. Physically large amps have more room and slower airflow

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread Fred Jensen
Good, Fast, Cheap ... choose two. 73, Fred ["Skip"] K6DGW Sparks NV DM09dn Washoe County On 7/31/2018 7:21 AM, Bob McGraw K4TAX wrote: Otherwise a science project with unknown results. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Clay Autery wrote: Every successful projec

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/31/2018 5:13 AM, K8ZCT wrote: Jim Brown is on the National Electrical Code Committee, Sorry, I'm not, and have never been. I do own an old copy of the NEC code, and have studied parts of it that affect the pro audio systems that I designed before I retired.  I am a member of the AES Stan

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
Otherwise a science project with unknown results. Bob, K4TAX Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2018, at 7:59 AM, Clay Autery wrote: > > Every successful project begins with a thorough analysis of the REQUIREMENTS > and CONDITIONS. > Proper design seeks to satisfy the entries on these lists w

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread Clay Autery
Every successful project begins with a thorough analysis of the REQUIREMENTS and CONDITIONS. Proper design seeks to satisfy the entries on these lists within the available funding. Success when skipping these steps is pure luck and coincidence. 73, __ Clay Autery, KY5G (31

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-31 Thread K8ZCT
Jim Brown is on the National Electrical Code Committee, so he knows what he is saying and I would trust his opinion 100%! I guess my thought on any remote wiring is, if your really going to go through all the effort to do the project, then do it with materials, that you know when you purchase them

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-30 Thread Charlie T
: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net On Behalf Of Jim Brown Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 3:32 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size On 7/30/2018 6:43 AM, K8ZCT wrote: > Speaker wire is made for speaker systems. Although it may look like "lamp >

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-30 Thread Jim Brown
On 7/30/2018 6:43 AM, K8ZCT wrote: Speaker wire is made for speaker systems. Although it may look like "lamp cord" it is not listed for use to wire up a lamp. Right -- it has to do with voltage breakdown of the insulation, which must be 3kV on the AC power line (in the case of a lightning spi

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-30 Thread K8ZCT
One of previous posts recommended using speaker wire for the remote connection of the KPA-1500 amplifier to the KPA-1500 power supply. Speaker wire is made for speaker systems. Although it may look like "lamp cord" it is not listed for use to wire up a lamp. You should buy rated "lamp cord" for th

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-30 Thread W2xj
Context? Sent from my iPad > On Jul 30, 2018, at 4:12 AM, K8ZCT wrote: > > I don't think speaker cable has a voltage rating for this purpose. > > > > -- > Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ > __ > Elecraft mailing list

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-30 Thread K8ZCT
I don't think speaker cable has a voltage rating for this purpose. -- Sent from: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.ht

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread john
: Larry (K8UT) [mailto:k...@charter.net] Sent: Saturday, July 28, 2018 3:30 PM To: j...@kk9a.com; elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size I purchased 75 amp Anderson Powerpole connectors and #6 flex speaker cable from Debco Electronics for my extension

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Clay Autery
Presuming of course that the "zip cord" cable stock is the size and flexibility you want/"need".  PP crimp tools are hardly exotic  And believe it or not some of us enjoy making our own cables...  __ Clay Autery, KY5G (318) 518-1389 On 28-Jul-18 22:11, Phil Kane wr

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Phil Kane
On 7/28/2018 1:57 PM, Clay Autery wrote: > Only problem, besides price, for the Powerwerx custom cables is that > they don't have twisted pair only parallel conductors. Split the PP. Split the conductors. Do the twist. Re-slide the PPs. I've done that on a bunch of cables. Does not require

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Clay Autery
m: Richard Thorne Date: 7/28/18 16:06 (GMT-06:00) To: Clay Autery , Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Clay, For a one time deal, the price is competitive compared to buying the tools, cable and PP's to do it yourself.

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Richard Thorne
: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Looks like I can order a custom cable from powerwerx.com with 75 amp power poles and 6g wire (assuming that's the correct size). https://powerwerx.com/custom-dc-power-cables The crimp tool is not too expensive so

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Larry (K8UT)
) -- Original Message -- From: "Clay Autery" To: "Richard Thorne" ; "Elecraft Reflector" Sent: 2018-07-28 16:57:52 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Only problem, besides price, for the Powerwerx custom cables is that they don't h

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Clay Autery
craft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Looks like I can order a custom cable from powerwerx.com with 75 amp power poles and 6g wire (assuming that's the correct size). https://powerwerx.com/custom-dc-power-cables The crimp tool is not too expensive so

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Richard Thorne
Looks like I can order a custom cable from powerwerx.com with 75 amp power poles and 6g wire (assuming that's the correct size). https://powerwerx.com/custom-dc-power-cables The crimp tool is not too expensive so it may be worth buying the tool and rolling my own.  I've used 15,30 and 45 amp P

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Larry (K8UT)
7;Elecraft Reflector'" Sent: 2018-07-28 15:21:03 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size The 75 amp Powerpole connector is designed for 6, 8 or 10 AWG wire so you might have problems squeezing a larger wire in. John KK9A [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread john
The 75 amp Powerpole connector is designed for 6, 8 or 10 AWG wire so you might have problems squeezing a larger wire in. John KK9A [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size Clay Autery KY5G at montac.com If it uses a 75 Amp PP connector, my inclination would be to use the 6AWG MINIMUM

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Clay Autery
If it uses a 75 Amp PP connector, my inclination would be to use the 6AWG MINIMUM.  I would be tempted to use the flexible welding cable lead stock in the largest gauge I could fit in the application space.  I'd trim down the end of the conductor to JUST fit into the 75 AMP crimp contact.  Then

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Bob Wilson, N6TV
I don't see it documented, but it uses a 75A PowerPole connector. Cable thickness (with insulation) is 1/3rd of an inch so I'm guessing it's AWG #6. It's VERY heavy. 73, Bob, N6TV On Sat, Jul 28, 2018 at 5:04 AM, Richard Thorne wrote: > What gauge wire is used for the HV line between the powe

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Power Supply Cable Size

2018-07-28 Thread Richard Thorne
What gauge wire is used for the HV line between the power supply and amp?  I'd like to build or source a shorter cable. Thanks Rich - N5ZC __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mai

[Elecraft] KPA-500: Mitigating Thermal Expansion Generated Noise

2018-07-19 Thread Clay Autery
OK  I don't have a KPA-500 to take apart and play with, but I just spent about an hour reviewing the images in the assembly manual, et al. Yep It is likely the thermal expansion and contraction of the relatively thin aluminum Z-bracket.  The Z-bracket appears to be acting as a heat sin

Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500

2018-07-14 Thread Bill Johnson
Behalf Of Hisashi T Fujinaka Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2018 6:00 PM To: Ronald Genovesi Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500 And just to follow up on that, I ordered one at the SEAPAC hamfest on 6/2 and it's supposed to be out for delivery today. Got the 220V outlet put in

Re: [Elecraft] KPA 1500

2018-07-14 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
And just to follow up on that, I ordered one at the SEAPAC hamfest on 6/2 and it's supposed to be out for delivery today. Got the 220V outlet put in, but it's in a remote location in the basement and I'm too lazy to go out in the heat to re-run the feedline to it. On Sat, 14 Jul 2018, Ronald Gen

[Elecraft] KPA 1500

2018-07-14 Thread Ronald Genovesi
For those still tracking delivery time for the KPA 1500, Serial #328 ordered 5-7-18 arrived yesterday. Ron Genovesi n3...@coastside.net __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 Firmware

2018-06-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Richard, It is always "safe" to load the Elecraft beta firmware. It has already been tested by some hams (admittedly a small group), but you can be confident it will not break your K3/KX3/KX2. You may discover some bugs - if you do, report them to supp...@elecraft.com. 73, Don W3FPR On 6/27

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 Firmware

2018-06-27 Thread Richard Zalewski
Is it safe yet to load the latest beta or should we still wait for the release? Richard *W7ZR* ex:5C5Z, CN2ZR, K2JSP, W6SBZ, W7KXR, K9ZIJ, W9KNF, W0KDF, W0MQU, J68ZR, KC6ZR, PJ4/W7ZR, KH2,W7ZR, KH6/W7ZR, V31ZR, VK4AAZ, XE2DV *Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer*

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 USB cable

2018-06-25 Thread Nr4c
He already knows this. He asked if it was USB 1.0 or 2.0 compliant. I am sure it’s USB 2.0 compliant. I don’t know why anyone would sell a USB 1.0 or 1.1 cable today. They are backwards compatible I think. Sent from my iPhone ...nr4c. bill > On Jun 25, 2018, at 2:26 PM, Paul Ferguson wrote:

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 USB cable

2018-06-25 Thread Paul Ferguson
Art, The USB cable needs a Type-A connector on one end and a Type-B connector on the other end. 73, Paul K5ESW > Is the USB A to B cable needed for the connection to the Utility a > standard USB or USB 2? I need to order a longer one to accommodate > where the amp will be placed relative to the

[Elecraft] KPA-1500 USB cable

2018-06-25 Thread Art via Elecraft
Is the USB A to B cable needed for the connection to the Utility a standard USB or USB 2? I need to order a longer one to accommodate where the amp will be placed relative to the computer. Thanks. Art KZ5D __ Elecraft mailing list Ho

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-500 50mhz issue

2018-06-24 Thread Bob McGraw K4TAX
I would make a call to Elecraft Service support and get their advice. 73 Bob, K4TAX K3S s/n 10163 KPA500 s/n 3519 On 6/24/2018 3:25 PM, Jack Satterfield wrote: My KPA500 works great on all bands except 6 meters Completely dead on 6 meters, does not sense frequency as it does on all other

[Elecraft] KPA-500 50mhz issue

2018-06-24 Thread Jack Satterfield
My KPA500 works great on all bands except 6 meters Completely dead on 6 meters, does not sense frequency as it does on all other bands . any ideas before sending it in? Thanks, Jack W4GRJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mai

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 ATU not working well

2018-06-23 Thread David Woolley
I'm not clear whether you are talking about the SWR before or after the tuner, but efficiency is determined by the load seen by the PA, which has two degrees of freedom (reactance and resistance), both of which can vary either side of the ideal. SWR reduces this to a single variable, that does

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 ATU not working well

2018-06-22 Thread Bill Johnson
: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 ATU not working well Here is a picture and some plot images: http://www.kn5l.net/Elecraft/CP1/ Not super accurate 60 and 100 Ohm loads, but provides an insight of the coupler operation. John KN5L On 06/22/2018 04:15 PM, Wes Stewart wrote: > I don't quite underst

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 ATU not working well

2018-06-22 Thread Bob via Elecraft
Hi John, Well if a picture is worth a thousand words a graph is worth at least 10,000. THANKS for the posting! 73, Bob K2TK ex KN2TKR (1956) & K2TKR On 6/22/2018 6:27 PM, John Oppenheimer wrote: Here is a picture and some plot images: http://www.kn5l.net/Elecraft/CP1/ Not su

Re: [Elecraft] KPA-1500 ATU not working well

2018-06-22 Thread Wes Stewart
Offhand, since they are adamantly opposed to using operational ALC, I could see incorporating a "1500 W" gain calibration, as they do with K3s. They could read the output power at several frequencies per band and save the gain settings.  This assumes they have enough memory in the K3 to save the

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