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Just a benign note. Primary aircraft engine controls will probably always be manual and "hard". Procedures will always have paper backups, even if the manuals are also available via the glass in the flight deck. Most navigation and related functions are already primary on touch, or at least

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I agree totally. One thing I never hope to see and thankfully probably won't is a pilot reaching for a touch screen while the aircraft is doing + or - 50ft "hops" in turbulence. Touch the screen to reduce thrust, slip of the finger and the engines shut off. What's the procedure for restarting

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I still use IOS5 on my iPhone 4S;-) On 6/6/2016 10:18 AM, l...@ka7ftp.com wrote: As a developer of both hardware and software products that use touch screens I have mixed feelings. My number one gripe with soft environments is the tendency to continually modify the environment and jam more and

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Tried to resist commenting, but Len's stood out Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 11:18:49 -0600 From: <l...@ka7ftp.com> To: <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Message-ID: <05de01d1c017$7de97e10$79bc7a30$@ka7ftp.com> Content-Type: text/plain;

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What he said  Gary -Original Message- From: "EricJ" <eric.c...@gmail.com> Sent: ‎7/‎06/‎2016 4:03 AM To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products With that, the thread effectively closed for me. Nobody

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With that, the thread effectively closed for me. Nobody has said it better. Thanks, Len. Eric KE6US On 6/6/2016 10:18 AM, l...@ka7ftp.com wrote: As a developer of both hardware and software products that use touch screens I have mixed feelings. My number one gripe with soft environments is

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John <jkra...@iafrica.com>; n...@n5ge.com > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products > > Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then > most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard shortcuts to QSY,

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As a developer of both hardware and software products that use touch screens I have mixed feelings. My number one gripe with soft environments is the tendency to continually modify the environment and jam more and more functionality into the same footprint. This either needs to be done with

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Mark I really thought this thread would have died by now :-) Incorrect - I was incorrectly quoted by another guy saying that I said military aircraft used touch screen UI. I did not say that, I said the military (not air force) used touch screens. The military do in my country, I don’t know

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Don, Please tell us why a radio must have only one user interface? We've had a long discussion of external programmable keypads for sighted operators. Lot of people like them. Same basic idea works for the visually impaired, and for those who just hate touch screens (or simply need more

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Ham radio becomes indistinguishable from gaming with the rise of contesting. Now ham gaming becomes ham VR gaming with the advent of Hamthought. Brave New World Two Hundred Meters and Down Eric KE6US On 6/6/2016 9:03 AM, Terry Brown wrote: I can hardly wait to read the next Digest of this

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RE:  Below John says that airline and military pilots use touch sreens, and he is right.This is incorrect. In my 45 years of military and airline aircraft engineering experience, I have not seen touch screens utilized to any significant extent in military or commercial aircraft displays. They

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Terry, A Thought Screen would be far too revealing, as would a Thought Keyboard on a computer :-) 73, Phil W7OX On 6/6/16 9:03 AM, Terry Brown wrote: I can hardly wait to read the next Digest of this group regarding the New Products discussion of touchscreens vs knob interfaced SD radios,

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I can hardly wait to read the next Digest of this group regarding the New Products discussion of touchscreens vs knob interfaced SD radios, because I MUST have the latest interface technology in order to have any enjoyment of Amateur Radio. Alas, my beloved KX3 looks doomed because Hamthought,

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th.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Yes Ray. If you had told someone 10 - 15 years ago that most phones would have touch screens with very few knobs, you would likely have been laughed at. Look at how much can more now be done on a smart phone, compared to the old Nokia’s that w

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You may disagree with it, but his comment is not "flawed." On 6/5/2016 11:42 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE wrote: Below John says that airline and military pilots use touch screens, and he is right, but I have never seen or heard of blind aircraft pilot so that part of his comment is flawed.

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Yes Ray. If you had told someone 10 - 15 years ago that most phones would have touch screens with very few knobs, you would likely have been laughed at. Look at how much can more now be done on a smart phone, compared to the old Nokia’s that were limited to a bunch of hardware buttons. 73

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hahaha yes, but the reason you don’t see blind airline pilots, is because they need to visually see the final approach and all the controls in the cockpit….and NOT because their communication equipment is not blind friendly. Blind people use touch screen devices daily - smart phones, tablets

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Radio Operator N5GE Sent: Monday, 6 June 2016 4:42 PM To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Below John says that airline and military pilots use touch screens, and he is right, but I have never seen or heard of blind aircraft pilot so that part of his comment is flawed

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Below John says that airline and military pilots use touch screens, and he is right, but I have never seen or heard of blind aircraft pilot so that part of his comment is flawed. >On June 5, 2016 4:35:26 PM EDT, John wrote: >Ha, Elecraft needs to progress at some stage, or

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: John <jkra...@iafrica.com>; n...@n5ge.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard shortcuts to QSY, tune up, tune down,

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Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with keyboard shortcuts to QSY, tune up, tune down, change modes, filters..etc.. all up to your imaginatio

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-Original Message- From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Guy Olinger K2AV Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 6:28 PM To: Ron D'Eau Claire Cc: Elecraft Reflector Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products For contesters, K Pod vs. touchscreen is matter of thousands

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Interesting set of topics - I decided to go for the Elecraft route for the simple reason I hoped their superior RX capabilities would help me make more QSO’s. I have not been disappointed. I did not care about touch this or button that. A radio should primarily be for sending and receiving -

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Of Jerry More Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 9:06 PM To: John <jkra...@iafrica.com>; n...@n5ge.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Oh,, and I wanted to point out that if you are using a computer with CAT then most software packages allow you to operate with ke

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for Windows 10 From: Jerry Moore Sent: Sunday, June 5, 2016 5:05 PM To: John; n...@n5ge.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Adding $100 or more to add a touchscreen ui to a radio provides very little value in my view, is silly. The radio cost to value ratio is very

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For contesters, K Pod vs. touchscreen is matter of thousands of repetitive movements during a contest. And if one must move one's hands away from a keyboard, what movement is the most accurate time after time, and is there a resting spot for the base of the hand to support the weight of the arm

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Thus is born the KXi On Sun, 2016-06-05 at 11:48 -0700, Phil Wheeler wrote: > Good discussion, Tony. > > Re "If my fantasy radio was developed it would be > quantum based system that would allow you call > through other dimensions over vast distances with > out any propagation delay." I'd

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craft@mailman.qth.net" <elecraft@mailman.qth.net> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products I'll not be buying a radio with any form of "touch screen" ... ain't gonna happen. (:-)) 73 K0PP On Jun 5, 2016 13:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" <k...@coldrockshotbrooms.com> wrote

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Knobs and and switches provide the illusion of control…and that my friends, is what life is all about 8^) Elecraft does a great job of giving us what we need while giving us what we want….which is the exception the Rolling Stones would accept... Alan/K6ADG

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Looking at the K-POD functionality, it seems to me that the future is modular. Already rigs like the K3 have an RF section, a control section, a signal processing section and an I/O section that are largely on separate boards in separate parts of the rig. And then there is the display section

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Of course, touch screens can be made to work, witness the iThingies. But that's an awful lot of complexity. Given that the available resources in current generation Elecraft gear can't even be stretched to include spoken feedback (this is not a criticism, mind you, just a statement of fact), it

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I'll not be buying a radio with any form of "touch screen" ... ain't gonna happen. (:-)) 73 K0PP On Jun 5, 2016 13:16, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: > A radio with only physical knobs and buttons severely limits future > upgradability, and leads to crazy button

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It's always interesting to hear list members' idea of new amateur radio products. I get the idea that the ham market is driven by the needs of megabuck contesters and DX'ers, many of whom are now legally incorporated entities! I'm obviously not in tune with an amateur market that sees a

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An idea just off the top of my head: Put a physical grid over the touch screen so the blind OP can find the buttons. A grid of 2mm x 2mm bars separated into 15-20mm areas might work well. Have the radio speak the status of the button when it is pressed. If you have two-level press sensitivity,

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Adding $100 or more to add a touchscreen ui to a radio provides very little value in my view, is silly. The radio cost to value ratio is very low (meaning the value is high). The only exception I can see would be integrating the P3 as an option (hopefully enhancing with a micro computer/ssd for

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Ha, Elecraft needs to progress at some stage, or get left behind. Touch screen UI is and has been extensively used - 3 billion touch screen smart phones out there, 1.2 billion touch screen tablets. I can see you all reaching for your keyboards to protest that phones and tablets are not the same

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, June 5, 2016 3:39 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Reply To: donw...@embarqmail.com Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products Lynn, Please tell us how a touchscreen interface can enhance usability for blind operators. Elecraft has made a commitment for such usability for all their radios with those

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I can speak directly to that Don. Three years ago I had and accident and detached both retinas. Six eye surgeries later and I am 20/80 in the left eye and 20/50-40 (depending on the day) in the right. I am legally blind. None of that is reversible with anything you can do at the front of the

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Only if it's Elecraft. Clearly this isn't the case with Yaecomwoodlincotec. Well, at least a couple of those, anyway. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194 Mobile: 814-431-0962 Email: bu...@brannan.name > On Jun 5, 2016, at 4:13 PM, Amateur Radio Operator N5GE

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Don, I suspect that having redesigned a rig with touch screen capability the manufacturer would, in a short period of time realize the error of their ways. Hopfully they would still have enough capital to revert to the original design and fire the person responsible for the change. On Sun, 5

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Lynn, Please tell us how a touchscreen interface can enhance usability for blind operators. Elecraft has made a commitment for such usability for all their radios with those blind operators particularly in mind. A GUI interface means nothing to those who cannot see it. 73, Don W3FPR On

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Why pay for an expensive, low volume touch screen when most of us carry very nice ones with us? Write an iOS and/or Android app radio interface. You could accomplish most of this with the existing hardware with the addition of a smart dongle that includes RS232 and BLE connectivity. 73 Josh

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Lighten up, you say? I don't know...I sort of like having radios I can actually use. Unless said touch screen will also come with some sort of spoken interface, (they haven't, so far), I guess eventually I get to look for a new hobby if that's where we're all going. And really, with the aging

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A radio with only physical knobs and buttons severely limits future upgradability, and leads to crazy button combinations to turn things on and off that weren't even a dream when the radio was originally released. Touch screens may not be always convenient, but they're much more flexible than

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But if it's truly quantum, which reality YOU would be working whom? On 6/5/2016 11:48 AM, Phil Wheeler wrote: Good discussion, Tony. Re "If my fantasy radio was developed it would be quantum based system that would allow you call through other dimensions over vast distances with out any

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Good discussion, Tony. Re "If my fantasy radio was developed it would be quantum based system that would allow you call through other dimensions over vast distances with out any propagation delay." I'd settle for an advancement which let me work you from California running 5 Watts to a one

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Hi All, I thought I might put my oar in on this; New products need a market is true and trying to second guess it is another story. How would I go about developing a new product? I believe that we need to see a gap in the market since we are not going to create a new market like texting. The

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Also, can we pllease, for the love of all that is holy, not do the touch screen GUI? At least, not an exclusively touch screen GUI? If that's what counts as innovative, hey, where'd I put my club? Maybe behind that rock in my cave. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194

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Gee, So far Elecraft has done a good job of providing new products with great support for which there is an ample mainstream market -- a good business model. And focusing on products for which there is a good market is important. Amateur radio video: How big would that market be? Ditto

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With the K3s, point taken. It's an upgraded K3. With the KX2, it's not a replacement for the KX3 in the same way the K3s was a replacement for the K3. So I'm thinking your assessment isn't exactly fair. Pass the Flavor-Aide, please. -- Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV - Erie, PA Phone: 814-860-3194

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We have seen a remake of the K3 in the form of the K3s. Now we see the remake of the KX3 in the form of the KX2. So when are we going to see something really new from Elecraft? Surely the possibilities have not been exhausted. Touch screen GUI, VHF/UHF exclusive transceiver, 1.5 KW amp and

[Elecraft] New products from Palm Radio

Palm Radio has introduced a couple of new accessories. The Pico Plate is a self adhesive magnetic base for the Pico Paddle that makes mounting the paddle on a radio or desk easy. They have also introduced a magnetic side panel for the KX3 that makes mounting magnetic paddles simple. See them both

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It's not clear from the photos whether the new right-side accessories are compatible with the use of a 2-meter antenna plugged into the SMA connector. 73, Wayne N6KR On Dec 12, 2013, at 3:49 AM, Richard Newstead rich...@sotabeams.co.uk wrote: Palm Radio has introduced a couple of new

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Either way, it would be an easy matter to neatly cut a strip of thin steel to match the Palm Paddle and stick it in place where ever you want with double sticky cellophane tape. When you no longer want it, soak it off with Goo Gone or similar. Hobby stores carry KS Metal products including

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] New products from Palm Radio Either way, it would be an easy matter to neatly cut a strip of thin steel to match the Palm Paddle and stick it in place where ever you want with double sticky cellophane tape. When you no longer want it, soak it off with Goo Gone or similar. Hobby stores carry

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- Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products from Palm Radio Either way, it would be an easy matter to neatly cut a strip of thin steel to match the Palm Paddle and stick it in place where ever you want with double sticky cellophane tape. When you

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people. Just because some of us don't want or need them doesn't mean that they wont be attractive to other people with different wants or needs. Dave (G0DJA) - Original Message - Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 6:31 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] New products from Palm Radio Either

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Tom Fitzgerald-2 wrote: As it turned out, I'm glad that I put off ordering my K3 #3494 because of hardware mods etc. ... 73, Tom kd0bcf. Tom, I know it was a minor point in your message, but I wanted to say I have K3 #51 and I've spent a minimal amount of time and money keeping it up to

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I agree. I think I've done all the Elecraft-recommended mods for my K3 S/N 847: AF upgrade (LINE OUT speaker amp), AF Amp output, Synthesizer ALC, Front-panel mic circuit, Rear-panel RF filtering, IF output buffer gain, KPA3 12V sense, front-end protection, and VFO tuning noise. That looks

[Elecraft] New Products

I think Elecraft would be making a big mistake by going into the amp business anytime soon. I have a better idea. How about continuing to refine the K3 and work on getting the P3 Panadapter out. I have been waiting for months to order a P3. First it was going to be out by the end of 09 and then

[Elecraft] Elecraft new products!?!?!?

Per Wayne's email: See you at Dayton :) 73, Wayne N6KR http://www.elecraft.com/manual/W2%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%204sm.pdf http://www.elecraft.com/manual/K144XV%20Data%20Sheet%20rev%204sm.pdf Oh my God. Where do I sign up? How much? And when will they be available to the rest of us

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Yeah and since it's internal to the K3 my wife can't accuse me of buying a new radio! :-) 73 de Terry KK6T K3 #2965 Julius Fazekas n2wn wrote: I really want more details on the 2M board... will open up a whole new world! K3JPS wrote: Per Wayne's email: See you at Dayton :)

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