Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSPR

2011-02-05 Thread Colin Potter
Hi Mike I had problems till I used Data A mode with VOX on.

Link up the serial cable - you will have this done anyway to update the K3 
firmware. Then in WSPR set-up make sure the sound card is specified 
correctly, the power used (a look up table for dBm in the manual), get RTS 
to switch on transmit, checking this is OK in the K3 menu (PTT-KEY)Check the 
port corresponds with the computer. Enable CAT and put in the rig used 
from the pull down menu, no handshake, 8 data bits and one stop bit to suit 
the K3, Save settings (in FILE menu)

Cables use line in and line out to line-in and audio out of computer. Set K3 
main menu for LINE IN. You will have to adjust line in gain and audio out to 
suit your set up so to have 5 ALC bars input on transmit (use WSPR tune 
button) to dummy load. Useful to turn off PC monitor speaker or you will 
hear the program output audio! Wide IF filter is fine.

Use standard frequency transmission to adjust VFO to zero beat, if you have 
the K3 TXCO this will ensure adequate stability, if not a long warm up...If 
not you will get a drift measurement in the reports.

Use web time e.g. D4 program to get time accurate to a second or so.

Get reception working first. Use preamp/ATT to get audio into WSPR about 1dB 
for clear frequency. Too high and it will not decode properly but do not use 
RF control to reduce or sensitivity will be lost.

Adjust frequency to position not occupied by others in reception  period. 
Transmit up to 20% of the time, if you have the latest WSPR use transmit 
first to avoid waiting too long.

5W is max needed, I have heard ZL from UK and 100mW gets reception reports 
from around Europe. 1W on 80m gets to the USA in the morning here!

I've probably forgotten something so any problems, let us know. The manual 
is good too!

Good luck

73 Colin M0DDT

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From: Mike Weir ve3...@hotmail.com
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Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:42 AM
Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSPR



 Good evening, I tried about a month ago to get the K3 working with WSPR 
 and was not successful at all. I wanted to give it a go and get it going 
 this weekend but instead of getting frustrated I wanted to tap in on the 
 knowledge of this reflector.
 Here is what I have...
 Win XP
 WSPR 2.0
 K3 with the KXV3A

 Here is what I am looking for
 The cabling hookup
 The setting in the K3
 The setting in WSPR
 .in a nut shell all the info to get WSPR up and going...
 Thanks very much in advance
 Mike
 VE3WDM
 http://ve3wdm.blogspot.com

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[Elecraft] K3 setup for N1MM/mK II/RTTY

2011-02-05 Thread cx7tt
If someone has the exact same setup up, I would like to chat w/you off line.
I am having a problem getting the N1MM program to xmit in RTTY and 
cw...I have followed the microham guide sheet on setting up the mK II 
and N1MM/MMTTY. The program decodes fine but when I transmit, it shows 
the wave form and xy axis in idle but does not key the K3.
What is frustrating is that I use Logger 32 as my every day logging 
program and it has been working fine with RTTY/and the above config. 
Plus I used this same config last year in wpx rtty and it worked fine.
Pse contact me off line if you wish to help.
73
Tom
CX7TT
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[Elecraft] K3: Erratic behavior of REV button

2011-02-05 Thread Olaf Achterberg
Hi Jeff,

I experienced the same behavior. But after some investigation i found here it 
was a user error. Unfortunately the A-B (Split) button is just beside the REV 
Button. So when holding the wrong button because of my fat fingers the Split is 
gone  and UP calls are generated ;-)

Suggestion to ELECRAFT: in LOCK mode also lock A-B (Split) button -

I normally run the pileup with locked VFO. If this would also lock the A-B 
(Split) button this problem cannot happen. Just turning off Split will need 
holding two buttons instead of one. But in pileup Split mode I do not need to 
go to the DX QRG. There are normally more than enough UP callers.

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[Elecraft] P3 Temperature Specs

2011-02-05 Thread Olaf Achterberg
Hi all,

I experience the same problem. It needs some time before the P3 displays the 
right frequency. It is much worse when it is cold. Now in winter time before 
sunrise early in the morning it is pretty cold at my station, sometimes only 13 
degrees Celsius. Then it needs several minutes. At 20 Celsius it needs around 1 
minute. First the P3 shows 0.0 frequency. After some time it shows frequency 
36.nnn and then after some time the qrg is ok but cursors are out of display. 
Then after reboot of the P3 everything is ok. It is definitely worse when it is 
cold.

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[Elecraft] p3 Tap to QSY in Data A mode

2011-02-05 Thread Jim Balls
All

Just setting up for PSK contest and notice that the tap to QSO is not accurate, 
ie if I tap to qsy to the scope peak for a PSK signal with the filters narrow 
to say 0.2 the signal it well outside the filter pass band 

Is there any way of changing this so the signal arrives in the passband in DATA 
A  mode?

Thanks

Jim M0CKE
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[Elecraft] P3, APF and diversity in CQ 160 contest

2011-02-05 Thread Ignacy

P3 and APF were an excellent in the contest for SP. P3 set up for BW of 2
KHz would show weak DX, and APF would pick it up. The position of P3 next to
K3 beats a panadapter window on a computer. I worked tons of DX without ever
looking at the cluster. Just look at weak signals on P3, tune and work. 
Signals not showing on P3 were generally too weak to copy. 

APF was different story for RUN. Turning on APF was too slow. Having an
option to switch XFIL and APF for CW only would be great. I guess software
APF toggle change via PF key may be good enough.  

P3 was very helpful for finding a clear frequency and also adjusting it,
with a  twist. That is, the free frequency could be used by a DX that was
too weak to hear (without APF) but visible on P3.

Some gremlins got into N1MM here. Every so often, written callsigns would
disappear,  SPLIT would show up, and work frequency would change from 1820
to 18200. Reloading CONFIG would cure it. Not sure whether it was KUSB, RF
or Vista.

Ignacy, NO9E


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Re: [Elecraft] P3, APF and diversity in CQ 160 contest

2011-02-05 Thread Bill W4ZV

NO9E wrote:

 APF was different story for RUN. Turning on APF was too slow. Having an
 option to switch XFIL and APF for CW only would be great. I guess software
 APF toggle change via PF key may be good enough.  

I never used APF in the CQ 160 (who has time to tune in 5 Hz steps using
SHIFT or 1 Hz steps using VFO?) but here's a good tip for casual operating
from Wayne N6KR:

Use Preset I and II to toggle APF On and Off more quickly.  You can also set
different XFILs using the Presets.

 Some gremlins got into N1MM here. Every so often, written callsigns would
 disappear,  SPLIT would show up, and work frequency would change from 1820
 to 18200. Reloading CONFIG would cure it. Not sure whether it was KUSB, RF
 or Vista.

I had a few problems like that but not sure it was N1MM.  I normally operate
SPLIT on my run frequency so I can use the BIG VFO A knob to tune RX
(leaving my TX fixed on VFO B).  Occasionally I noticed VFO B was not on my
run frequency!  Could be I touched the VFO B knob (which is a good reminder
to always LOCK VFO B when operating like this).  

If I was suddenly calling CQ on top of someone else, my apologies!

73,  Bill
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[Elecraft] K3 Power On

2011-02-05 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

A while ago I reported occasional hang when powering on the K3. 
Lock up which needed power down and on again to recover.

I think I know what causes it.  I switch everything off when not in 
use and it is very easy for me to switch on the PSU (switcher) and 
then hit the K3 power button within 1-2 seconds.  If I slow down on 
powering the K3, maybe all of four to five seconds after PSU switch 
on, all is OK.

So maybe it just takes a few seconds for the K3 supply rails and 
logic to settle when first powered.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO 

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[Elecraft] K3 Firmware Reload Reminder

2011-02-05 Thread K5WA
I know this gets mentioned regularly but it sure worked for me today.  I got
a very strange behavior after loading FW 4.25.  My S meter would jump to
full scale whenever I reduced the bandwidth below 500 Hz and the RX would go
dead.  After a lot of head scratching and unplugging of cables to eliminate
issues, I reloaded 4.25 and everything just worked perfectly again.  I guess
the bits and bytes get crossways occasionally and a nice reload puts
everything back in order.  I hope you think of this faster than I did if you
ever need a bit of help.

73,
Bob K5WA

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Power On

2011-02-05 Thread David Pratt
Mike - The K3 is a software defined transceiver so needs time to boot up 
and to close down.  You should always switch off your K3 with the Power 
switch on the front panel.  Switching off the power at the supply would 
be like shutting your computer off at the supply without first closing 
down Windows.  If the K3 power is cut, it will take time to recover when 
you next switch it on. That would be a risk as it might even cause some 
corruption of the firmware.

73 de David G4DMP

In a recent message, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk writes

I think I know what causes it.  I switch everything off when not in
use and it is very easy for me to switch on the PSU (switcher) and
then hit the K3 power button within 1-2 seconds.  If I slow down on
powering the K3, maybe all of four to five seconds after PSU switch
on, all is OK.



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[Elecraft] P3 Markers A B problem?

2011-02-05 Thread Jim Sheldon
When I first got it, turning on Marker A or Marker B would start out with the 
markers centered.  You could then move them to where you wanted either A or B 
to QSY to and tap the button.  With VFO A, the P3 moved that signal to center 
along with the marker.  If you shut the marker off, and moved VFO A, the next 
time you turned the marker on, it was centered.  Now, it stays on the last 
position of VFO A.  Don't know what I did to cause this.  If you set marker A 
to center freq, it will stay there through several moves of VFO A and then 
start staying at the last position of A.  Getting frustrating.

The way I perceive that it should work, if the marker is off, when you turn it 
on it should come up in the center of the display as that's the current 
frequency the VFO is tuned to.  This should be the same for either VFO A or B.  

Any Ideas?  If I'm not thinking correctly or doing something wrong, I can't 
find it in the book which is currently somewhat sketchy on this subject.  I did 
a complete parameter reset and it still does this.  I don't remember it doing 
that when I first got it.

Jim - W0EB
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[Elecraft] P3 Markers A B problem? Disregard previous posting

2011-02-05 Thread Jim Sheldon
Disregard my earlier post on this subject.  I figured it out.  If you move the 
VFO far enough to go beyond what you have the span set, it centers up the 
marker again.  Hadn't noticed that before, but finally figured out why it would 
be off center at times and center up at others.  

With the marker on, if you move the VFO, the marker stays on the previous 
frequency as a place holder so you can just tap the button and get back to 
where you were.  Handy at times, but haven't found it mentioned in the book or 
release notes unless I just missed it.

Jim - W0EB
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Re: [Elecraft] P3, APF and diversity in CQ 160 contest

2011-02-05 Thread Ignacy




 I never used APF in the CQ 160 (who has time to tune in 5 Hz steps using
 SHIFT or 1 Hz steps using VFO?) but here's a good tip for casual operating
 from Wayne N6KR:

 Use Preset I and II to toggle APF On and Off more quickly.  You can also
 set different XFILs using the Presets.


 Preset takes some time to change but it may be better than pressing APF.

With APF I was able to copy many weak stations on K9AY when running. Notably
KH6 and KL7, plus a few WI stations, I guess,  running 5W with mobile
antennas.  But if it takes 1 sec to turn on APF, and an average station
calls once, one cycle is lost. After a weak station repeats a few times,
other stations decide to use the same frequency for RUN.

I find RIT good enough for APF, and faster.

Ignacy, NO9E

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Power On

2011-02-05 Thread Mike Harris
G'day,

Just in case there is some confusion, I always switch my K3 off 
first and then the psu and obviously switch on the psu first and 
then the K3.

Poor wording in my original post maybe.  I thought it was reasonably 
clear but just in case, by switching off everything when not in use 
I simply mean I switch things off when I'm no longer using them. 
Saving the planet or something like that.

Regards,

Mike VP8NO


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From: David Pratt da...@g4dmp.fsnet.co.uk
To: Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk
Cc: Elecraft Reflector elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 Power On


 Mike - The K3 is a software defined transceiver so needs time to 
 boot up
 and to close down.  You should always switch off your K3 with the 
 Power
 switch on the front panel.  Switching off the power at the supply 
 would
 be like shutting your computer off at the supply without first 
 closing
 down Windows.  If the K3 power is cut, it will take time to 
 recover when
 you next switch it on. That would be a risk as it might even cause 
 some
 corruption of the firmware.

 73 de David G4DMP

 In a recent message, Mike Harris mike.har...@cwimail.fk writes

I think I know what causes it.  I switch everything off when not 
in
use and it is very easy for me to switch on the PSU (switcher) and
then hit the K3 power button within 1-2 seconds.  If I slow down 
on
powering the K3, maybe all of four to five seconds after PSU 
switch
on, all is OK.

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[Elecraft] UK Elecraft Net

2011-02-05 Thread Ian Maude
Hi all,
I will be running the net as usual on 3658 +/- QRM at 09:00z.  We should be 
joined by someone with a very new toy  Not me by the way but I am looking 
forward to the net :)

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Re: [Elecraft] p3 Tap to QSY in Data A mode

2011-02-05 Thread Cady, Fred
I find when I tap the SELECT knob to QSY I sometimes rotate it a bit so
I set one of the function keys to Knob Tap to solve that problem.

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org  

 -Original Message-
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jim Balls
 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:58 AM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: [Elecraft] p3 Tap to QSY in Data A mode
 
 All
 
 Just setting up for PSK contest and notice that the tap to 
 QSO is not accurate, ie if I tap to qsy to the scope peak for 
 a PSK signal with the filters narrow to say 0.2 the signal it 
 well outside the filter pass band 
 
 Is there any way of changing this so the signal arrives in 
 the passband in DATA A  mode?
 
 Thanks
 
 Jim M0CKE
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware Reload Reminder

2011-02-05 Thread Cady, Fred
Also, remember to turn the K3 power off and then on after loading
firmware.

Fred Cady
fcady at ieee dot org  

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 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
 [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of K5WA
 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 7:56 AM
 To: 'Elecraft reflector'
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 Firmware Reload Reminder
 
 I know this gets mentioned regularly but it sure worked for 
 me today.  I got
 a very strange behavior after loading FW 4.25.  My S meter 
 would jump to
 full scale whenever I reduced the bandwidth below 500 Hz and 
 the RX would go
 dead.  After a lot of head scratching and unplugging of 
 cables to eliminate
 issues, I reloaded 4.25 and everything just worked perfectly 
 again.  I guess
 the bits and bytes get crossways occasionally and a nice reload puts
 everything back in order.  I hope you think of this faster 
 than I did if you
 ever need a bit of help.
 
 73,
 Bob K5WA
 
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[Elecraft] KPA 500

2011-02-05 Thread Albert Crespo
Tokyo High Power has produced a 600 watt amplifier,  HL-550FX , 
http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/THPtop.htm   that can handle a wide 
range of voltages, so it is ideal for places with bad  voltage regulation. Will 
the  new amplifier that Elecraft will produce will have this same ability?
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 and WSPR

2011-02-05 Thread Tim Tucker
I've never had to use Data A mode with VOX.  I just use the standard serial
and sound interface with CAT and it works fine for me.

Tim

On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Colin Potter colin.pott...@ntlworld.comwrote:

 Hi Mike I had problems till I used Data A mode with VOX on.

 Link up the serial cable - you will have this done anyway to update the K3
 firmware. Then in WSPR set-up make sure the sound card is specified
 correctly, the power used (a look up table for dBm in the manual), get RTS
 to switch on transmit, checking this is OK in the K3 menu (PTT-KEY)Check
 the
 port corresponds with the computer. Enable CAT and put in the rig used
 from the pull down menu, no handshake, 8 data bits and one stop bit to suit
 the K3, Save settings (in FILE menu)

 Cables use line in and line out to line-in and audio out of computer. Set
 K3
 main menu for LINE IN. You will have to adjust line in gain and audio out
 to
 suit your set up so to have 5 ALC bars input on transmit (use WSPR tune
 button) to dummy load. Useful to turn off PC monitor speaker or you will
 hear the program output audio! Wide IF filter is fine.

 Use standard frequency transmission to adjust VFO to zero beat, if you have
 the K3 TXCO this will ensure adequate stability, if not a long warm up...If
 not you will get a drift measurement in the reports.

 Use web time e.g. D4 program to get time accurate to a second or so.

 Get reception working first. Use preamp/ATT to get audio into WSPR about
 1dB
 for clear frequency. Too high and it will not decode properly but do not
 use
 RF control to reduce or sensitivity will be lost.

 Adjust frequency to position not occupied by others in reception  period.
 Transmit up to 20% of the time, if you have the latest WSPR use transmit
 first to avoid waiting too long.

 5W is max needed, I have heard ZL from UK and 100mW gets reception reports
 from around Europe. 1W on 80m gets to the USA in the morning here!

 I've probably forgotten something so any problems, let us know. The manual
 is good too!

 Good luck

 73 Colin M0DDT

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 From: Mike Weir ve3...@hotmail.com
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 1:42 AM
 Subject: [Elecraft] K3 and WSPR


 
  Good evening, I tried about a month ago to get the K3 working with WSPR
  and was not successful at all. I wanted to give it a go and get it going
  this weekend but instead of getting frustrated I wanted to tap in on the
  knowledge of this reflector.
  Here is what I have...
  Win XP
  WSPR 2.0
  K3 with the KXV3A
 
  Here is what I am looking for
  The cabling hookup
  The setting in the K3
  The setting in WSPR
  .in a nut shell all the info to get WSPR up and going...
  Thanks very much in advance
  Mike
  VE3WDM
  http://ve3wdm.blogspot.com
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Raleigh Hamfest

2011-02-05 Thread Gordon Lois Duff
The hamfest is set for April 23rd, not April 26th as previously reported.

 

Gordon, KA2NLM 

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 REV button problem

2011-02-05 Thread J. Wolf
   Yes, I've noted the proximity of the two buttons, but even being careful 
not to hold the split button inadvertently I've still had the problem. I 
like your suggestion about the lock button, though. Maybe Elecraft will take 
a look at the issue and provide some insight and a solution?
--Jeff, K6JW
***
You wrote:
Hi Jeff,

I experienced the same behavior. But after some investigation i found here 
it was a user error. Unfortunately the A-B (Split) button is just beside the 
REV Button. So when holding the wrong button because of my fat fingers the 
Split is gone  and UP calls are generated ;-)

Suggestion to ELECRAFT: in LOCK mode also lock A-B (Split) button -

I normally run the pileup with locked VFO. If this would also lock the A-B 
(Split) button this problem cannot happen. Just turning off Split will need 
holding two buttons instead of one. But in pileup Split mode I do not need 
to go to the DX QRG. There are normally more than enough UP callers.

73 de Olaf - DK2LO


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[Elecraft] help

2011-02-05 Thread JWKIMBALL
I just bought a loaded used K3. I have a problem with the cw. I plug in a  
paddle and it only sends dit dah from either paddle. I've gone through the 
menu  and config and can't figure out if I'm doing something wrong or I have 
a  problem. I loaded latest update too. 
 
Help a newbie
 
Tnx
73
Jim
K5AUP
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[Elecraft] looking for a part

2011-02-05 Thread John Cooper
Anyone know of a supplier that can supply 2 MBRF10100CT without requiring 1000 
min order?  Already checked digikey and mouser and ebay.  Anyone possibly have 
some sitting around?


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Re: [Elecraft] looking for a part

2011-02-05 Thread Mark Bayern
Have you considered the MBR60100CT that Digikey stocks and sells in
single units? Still a 100V common cathode pair of Shottky diodes. With
a much higher current rating. And as an added benefit a lower Vf. It
does have a higher reverse current (IR) when at high blocking voltages
and a hot die. Would that be a problem for your application?

At $3.86 each its higher cost shouldn't be a killer for a small
project. Yes it is ten times the cost of the MBRF10100CT but still
less than the shipping charges.

Mark  AD5SS




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 1000 min order?  Already checked digikey and mouser and ebay.  Anyone 
 possibly have some sitting around?


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[Elecraft] HRD PSK31 w/K3

2011-02-05 Thread Bruce Wade

Anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe  with the K3 for PSK31?

I loaded it and clicked on DM780. The only thing I see is to set it up 
with a sound card.

How do you set it up to talk with the serial port? The radio controls 
work OK.

tnx

Bruce  Kennewick, WA  n...@arrl.net  509/396-3082
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Re: [Elecraft] help

2011-02-05 Thread Rick Prather
Do you have the paddle plugged in to the Paddle jack or the Key jack?

Rick
K6LE


On 2/5/2011, at 12:11 , jwkimb...@aol.com wrote:

 I just bought a loaded used K3. I have a problem with the cw. I plug in a  
 paddle and it only sends dit dah from either paddle. I've gone through the 
 menu  and config and can't figure out if I'm doing something wrong or I have 
 a  problem. I loaded latest update too. 
 
 Help a newbie
 
 Tnx
 73
 Jim
 K5AUP

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[Elecraft] Hearing aids

2011-02-05 Thread Max Kempson
Thanks to Kjeld, Dave and others for very interesting information and it
will help me in choosing a hearing aid system (when I can afford it).

Vy 73

Max/ZL4VV, G3JJT

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500

2011-02-05 Thread juergen
Hi Albert

The old standard of 220,230,240 volts +- 10% has been gradually deteriorating 
to plus minus anything! 

The mains voltages  in many places now goes up to and regularly runs at 260 
volts! The global de-regulation and privatization of power assets globally has 
seen standards  go down the drain everywhere.

Most quality switch mode power supplies are designed for voltages   as high as 
260 high volts with a plus 5% rating. Many designers and export countries have 
not caught up with the global deregulation of mains voltage standards. In many 
places this has been allowed to happen in the hope that a global standard will 
develop.

I can buy energy saving globes that are rated to work at 260 volts(Philips). 
Many  TV's from the Korean companies are designed to  work at 260 volts. There 
is still a lot of new equipment designed for either 220 and 230 volts 
nominally. This  well defined standard is hardly the  reality anywhere these 
days even with the +- 5% allowance


The Tokyo high power amp looks interesting. They appear to be using VRF150's. 
If they have  biased this amp very well they will achieve good IMD results.  

SPE amplifiers using the MRF150's dont achieve the best IMD performance which 
can be obtained from  these devices. The Yaesu FT-5000's PA appears to be very 
well designed. The 3rd order IMD figures in Class AB according to the reviews 
are almost as low as Class A at 200 watts of output. They use VRF150's This a 
is a very good achievement by Yaesu and is a benchmark in terms of IMD 
performance.

I doubt that the Tokyo High power will achieve such good results because THP 
have always used just the bare minimum bias on all their amp designs. IMD 
optimization has never been a design goal of theirs. I had a good chat with the 
designer one day and he was open and candid about this issue.

Mt homebrew MRF150-EB104 amp easily achieves -40db 3rd IMD figures on all 
bands. My surplus ERB MRI amplifier  which I bought on Ebay does even better 
than -40db 3rd order. These are all below one of 2 tone figures not PEP 
figures. 

The Elecraft KPA500 will use VRF2933's for which  no IMD data  is provided on 
the data sheets. I dont know why Microsemi leaves out this important data. 
Macom religiously supplies extensive IMD data versus bias current which makes 
choosing devices very easy.  Anyway this will hardly be concern for anyone 
since the radios always have worst IMD performance than  the amplifiers.

I will watch the reviews and see how they both perform, the market is getting 
crowded! I will make my donation once I know how well they perform. It would be 
nice owning a  compact 500 watt amp  that performs well without all the mess 
and surplus rubbish hanging off the amp.

73
John
 

--- On Sat, 2/5/11, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr wrote:

 From: Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 9:43 AM
 Tokyo High Power has produced a 600
 watt amplifier,  HL-550FX , 
 http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/THPtop.htm   that
 can handle a wide range of voltages, so it is ideal for
 places with bad  voltage regulation. Will the  new
 amplifier that Elecraft will produce will have this same
 ability?
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Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500

2011-02-05 Thread juergen

Hi Albert

I just looked at the picture of the inside of the THP amp.

http://www.tokyohypower.com/hl-550fx_i_pop.html

I am not impressed with the construction. It looks a lot like an Ameritron 
inside. At most it looks like a EB104 CCI amp with a power supply and a low 
pass filter board in a box. The cooling looks to be primitive at best.

I also dont like the switch mode power supply being so close to the high pass  
filter board. This is a recipe for noise and other problems. There is also a 
general lack of shielding. This might be ok for for 500 watt amplifier, however 
its very öpen

I dont see  real value in this amp especially after looking inside it. I would 
be more inclined to go buy an Ameritron AlS1300 which represents good value and 
has similar or better construction. It would certainly have   better overhead 
in terms of output power.

73
John
--- On Sat, 2/5/11, juergen plebia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: juergen plebia...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 3:33 PM
 Hi Albert
 
 The old standard of 220,230,240 volts +- 10% has been
 gradually deteriorating to plus minus anything! 
 
 The mains voltages  in many places now goes up to and
 regularly runs at 260 volts! The global de-regulation and
 privatization of power assets globally has seen
 standards  go down the drain everywhere.
 
 Most quality switch mode power supplies are designed for
 voltages   as high as 260 high volts with a
 plus 5% rating. Many designers and export countries have not
 caught up with the global deregulation of mains voltage
 standards. In many places this has been allowed to happen in
 the hope that a global standard will develop.
 
 I can buy energy saving globes that are rated to work at
 260 volts(Philips). Many  TV's from the Korean
 companies are designed to  work at 260 volts. There is
 still a lot of new equipment designed for either 220 and 230
 volts nominally. This  well defined standard is hardly
 the  reality anywhere these days even with the +- 5%
 allowance
 
 
 The Tokyo high power amp looks interesting. They appear to
 be using VRF150's. If they have  biased this amp very
 well they will achieve good IMD results.  
 
 SPE amplifiers using the MRF150's dont achieve the best IMD
 performance which can be obtained from  these devices.
 The Yaesu FT-5000's PA appears to be very well designed. The
 3rd order IMD figures in Class AB according to the reviews
 are almost as low as Class A at 200 watts of output. They
 use VRF150's This a is a very good achievement by Yaesu and
 is a benchmark in terms of IMD performance.
 
 I doubt that the Tokyo High power will achieve such good
 results because THP have always used just the bare minimum
 bias on all their amp designs. IMD optimization has never
 been a design goal of theirs. I had a good chat with the
 designer one day and he was open and candid about this
 issue.
 
 Mt homebrew MRF150-EB104 amp easily achieves -40db 3rd IMD
 figures on all bands. My surplus ERB MRI amplifier 
 which I bought on Ebay does even better than -40db 3rd
 order. These are all below one of 2 tone figures not PEP
 figures. 
 
 The Elecraft KPA500 will use VRF2933's for which  no
 IMD data  is provided on the data sheets. I dont know
 why Microsemi leaves out this important data. Macom
 religiously supplies extensive IMD data versus bias current
 which makes choosing devices very easy.  Anyway this
 will hardly be concern for anyone since the radios always
 have worst IMD performance than  the amplifiers.
 
 I will watch the reviews and see how they both perform, the
 market is getting crowded! I will make my donation once I
 know how well they perform. It would be nice owning a 
 compact 500 watt amp  that performs well without all
 the mess and surplus rubbish hanging off the amp.
 
 73
 John
  
 
 --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 wrote:
 
  From: Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
  Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 9:43 AM
  Tokyo High Power has produced a 600
  watt amplifier,  HL-550FX , 
  http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/THPtop.htm   that
  can handle a wide range of voltages, so it is ideal
 for
  places with bad  voltage regulation. Will the  new
  amplifier that Elecraft will produce will have this
 same
  ability?
 
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[Elecraft] KPA 500

2011-02-05 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello John,

THP is a manufacturer for commercial equipment as well as per their web site.  
I just don't know why their ham amplifiers are so primitive.  They should have 
the technology and know how.  My past experience with THP in HF is not 
promising. V/U linears are ok.

I would always see linear + ATU as a package.  Therefore, THP + its own 
dedicated ATU is not that cheap.  Of course, I shall see how KPA500 + KAT500 
come out.

 cheers, 


Johnny VR2XMC 





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收件人﹕ elecraft@mailman.qth.net
傳送日期﹕ 2011/2/6 (日) 7:46:49 AM
主題: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500


Hi Albert

I just looked at the picture of the inside of the THP amp.

http://www.tokyohypower.com/hl-550fx_i_pop.html

I am not impressed with the construction. It looks a lot like an Ameritron 
inside. At most it looks like a EB104 CCI amp with a power supply and a low 
pass 
filter board in a box. The cooling looks to be primitive at best.

I also dont like the switch mode power supply being so close to the high pass  
filter board. This is a recipe for noise and other problems. There is also a 
general lack of shielding. This might be ok for for 500 watt amplifier, however 
its very öpen

I dont see  real value in this amp especially after looking inside it. I would 
be more inclined to go buy an Ameritron AlS1300 which represents good value and 
has similar or better construction. It would certainly have  better overhead in 
terms of output power.

73
John
--- On Sat, 2/5/11, juergen plebia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: juergen plebia...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 3:33 PM
 Hi Albert
 
 The old standard of 220,230,240 volts +- 10% has been
 gradually deteriorating to plus minus anything! 
 
 The mains voltages  in many places now goes up to and
 regularly runs at 260 volts! The global de-regulation and
 privatization of power assets globally has seen
 standards  go down the drain everywhere.
 
 Most quality switch mode power supplies are designed for
 voltages   as high as 260 high volts with a
 plus 5% rating. Many designers and export countries have not
 caught up with the global deregulation of mains voltage
 standards. In many places this has been allowed to happen in
 the hope that a global standard will develop.
 
 I can buy energy saving globes that are rated to work at
 260 volts(Philips). Many  TV's from the Korean
 companies are designed to  work at 260 volts. There is
 still a lot of new equipment designed for either 220 and 230
 volts nominally. This  well defined standard is hardly
 the  reality anywhere these days even with the +- 5%
 allowance
 
 
 The Tokyo high power amp looks interesting. They appear to
 be using VRF150's. If they have  biased this amp very
 well they will achieve good IMD results.  
 
 SPE amplifiers using the MRF150's dont achieve the best IMD
 performance which can be obtained from  these devices.
 The Yaesu FT-5000's PA appears to be very well designed. The
 3rd order IMD figures in Class AB according to the reviews
 are almost as low as Class A at 200 watts of output. They
 use VRF150's This a is a very good achievement by Yaesu and
 is a benchmark in terms of IMD performance.
 
 I doubt that the Tokyo High power will achieve such good
 results because THP have always used just the bare minimum
 bias on all their amp designs. IMD optimization has never
 been a design goal of theirs. I had a good chat with the
 designer one day and he was open and candid about this
 issue.
 
 Mt homebrew MRF150-EB104 amp easily achieves -40db 3rd IMD
 figures on all bands. My surplus ERB MRI amplifier 
 which I bought on Ebay does even better than -40db 3rd
 order. These are all below one of 2 tone figures not PEP
 figures. 
 
 The Elecraft KPA500 will use VRF2933's for which  no
 IMD data  is provided on the data sheets. I dont know
 why Microsemi leaves out this important data. Macom
 religiously supplies extensive IMD data versus bias current
 which makes choosing devices very easy.  Anyway this
 will hardly be concern for anyone since the radios always
 have worst IMD performance than  the amplifiers.
 
 I will watch the reviews and see how they both perform, the
 market is getting crowded! I will make my donation once I
 know how well they perform. It would be nice owning a 
 compact 500 watt amp  that performs well without all
 the mess and surplus rubbish hanging off the amp.
 
 73
 John
  
 
 --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 wrote:
 
  From: Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
  Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 9:43 AM
  Tokyo High Power has produced a 600
  watt amplifier,  HL-550FX , 
http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/THPtop.htm   that
  can handle a wide range of voltages, so it is ideal
 for
  places with bad  voltage regulation. Will the  new
  amplifier that Elecraft 

Re: [Elecraft] HRD PSK31 w/K3

2011-02-05 Thread Richard Ferch


n7za wrote:
 Anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe  with the K3 for PSK31?

 I loaded it and clicked on DM780. The only thing I see is to set it up
 with a sound card.

 How do you set it up to talk with the serial port? The radio controls
 work OK.

You don't. AFAIK the only software that will use the K3's serial port 
without a sound card for PSK31 (in PSK D mode) is software that was 
written specifically for the K3 (such as Elecraft's K3 Utility or 
G4ILO's KComm). General-purpose PSK31 software like DM780 uses a sound 
card to generate PSK31. You have to put the K3 in an audio mode such as 
DATA A and feed the sound card audio into the K3's LINE IN jack or a 
microphone input to use this software for PSK31.

73,
Rich VE3KI

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Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500

2011-02-05 Thread R. Kevin Stover
THP's amps are anything but primitive.
Check me if I'm wrong but they are the only manufacturer producing a
legal limit solid state amp. The THP 2.5KFX.

Notice I said legal limit, not close to or in the neighborhood, or
might make it if the wind blows just right, but legal limit.

The design for that amp was hashed out on the pages of QEX.

It is expensive but not Alpha 9500 expensive and it is one of a kind.

Why hasn't anybody else designed a legal limit solid state amp?
8 MRF-150's are about the same price as 2 Microsemi ARF-1500's
50V high current DC supply vs 200V high current DC supply (in the box).
Same stupid proof auto-protection systems all the other not quite
there amps employ. Well, maybe not. I don't think any of the MFJ amps
will auto band switch without buying their little add-on decoder.

What was that about primitive? 



On Sun, 6 Feb 2011 07:58:06 +0800 (HKT)
Johnny Siu vr2...@yahoo.com.hk wrote:

 Hello John,
 
 THP is a manufacturer for commercial equipment as well as per
 their web site. I just don't know why their ham amplifiers are so
 primitive.  They should have the technology and know how.  My past
 experience with THP in HF is not promising. V/U linears are ok.
 
 I would always see linear + ATU as a package.  Therefore, THP + its
 own dedicated ATU is not that cheap.  Of course, I shall see how
 KPA500 + KAT500 come out.
 
  cheers, 
 
 
 Johnny VR2XMC 



-- 
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Re: [Elecraft] HRD PSK31 w/K3

2011-02-05 Thread Greg
If you are talking about rig control you have to run HRD.  When you first
run it you will get a connection screen.  Set up your COM port there and
connect.

Then in DM780 for PTT you probably want to click connect through HRD. When
the Radio window is open in DM780 click connect.

73
Greg
AB7R


On Sat, Feb 5, 2011 at 4:30 PM, Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca wrote:



 n7za wrote:
  Anyone using Ham Radio Deluxe  with the K3 for PSK31?
 
  I loaded it and clicked on DM780. The only thing I see is to set it up
  with a sound card.
 
  How do you set it up to talk with the serial port? The radio controls
  work OK.

 You don't. AFAIK the only software that will use the K3's serial port
 without a sound card for PSK31 (in PSK D mode) is software that was
 written specifically for the K3 (such as Elecraft's K3 Utility or
 G4ILO's KComm). General-purpose PSK31 software like DM780 uses a sound
 card to generate PSK31. You have to put the K3 in an audio mode such as
 DATA A and feed the sound card audio into the K3's LINE IN jack or a
 microphone input to use this software for PSK31.

 73,
 Rich VE3KI

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[Elecraft] High Power TX gain failure

2011-02-05 Thread Dohn Smythe
Just putting the finishing touches on my K3/100 build.  What a treat.  I loved 
puttin this thing together so far.  I got thru the 5 watt Tx gain just dandy.

I CANNOT get her to perform the High power gain calibration.  I start at 160 
meters as instructed.  Whether by manual means or by using the K3 utility, as 
soon as I hit tune (maybe a second later) the whole shootin match shuts down.  
The swr must go up too high.

I've got it tapped into an MFJ-250 versaload.  The old gallon can and the oil 
level is up there.  It just isn't calibrating.  It doesn't like something when 
it gets a whif of 50 watts.  I tried about 20 watts into a 20 watt 
DL-1.  Same thing.  Something just isn't right.

Any suggestions where to start looking?  I have a feeling it's something 
simple.  Who knows?

73
Dohn Smythe  N8EWY
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Re: [Elecraft] help

2011-02-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Jim,

That would likely indicate that the dot and dash contacts of the paddle 
are shorted together.
Make sure the Stereo plug is fully inserted into the Paddle jack.
If it persists, insert a stereo plug with no wires connected (use TX 
TEST), then on the back of the inserted plug, short only the tip to the 
shell - do you hear dits?
Short only the ring to the shell - do you hear dahs?
If both the above check are correct, there is no K3 problem - check your 
paddles and the cable.
OTOH, if you get alternating dits and dahs in the tests, contact 
k3supp...@elecraft.com.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/5/2011 3:11 PM, jwkimb...@aol.com wrote:
 I just bought a loaded used K3. I have a problem with the cw. I plug in a
 paddle and it only sends dit dah from either paddle. I've gone through the
 menu  and config and can't figure out if I'm doing something wrong or I have
 a  problem. I loaded latest update too.

 Help a newbie

 Tnx
 73
 Jim
 K5AUP
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[Elecraft] Elecraft SSB net announcement

2011-02-05 Thread Phillip Shepard

The weekly SSB net will meet tomorrow (2/6/11) at 1800z on 14.314 MHz. I
will be net
control from western Oregon. We'll arrange for relays to try to pull you all
in.  See you then.

73,

Phil
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Announcement

2011-02-05 Thread Kevin Rock
Good Evening,
Winter has returned to Oregon.  Cloudy skies with rain.  Freezing every  
night.  But sun every week for at least an hour or two.  Luckily for me  
this winter has been very mild.  All the wood I collected last summer and  
fall is lasting quite well.  I will have some left over for next year at  
this rate.  I thought it was going to be a tough winter when the roads  
were blocked with 15 inches of very dry snow for Thanksgiving.  However,  
by the middle of December all the snowing for the season had finished.   
Unless something major comes along between now and March I'll have many  
cords of wood left for next year.
Propagation has been less than optimal.  I have been kicked off the air  
more than once this week due to poor conditions.  Lots of noise and some  
fluttering.  The sun has not been cooperating lately.  Just checked  
SpaceWeather.  The solar winds have been creating a lot of aurora so that  
may be the cause of our recent difficulties.  The deer have moved back up  
the mountain.  They are now roaming the backyard eating whatever they can  
find.  The front yard is less green so I do not see them there.

Please join us tomorrow afternoon and evening.

1) Hail signs  (first letter or two of the suffix of your call)
2) NCS help  (as well as QSP/QNP relay help)

Sunday 2300z (Sunday 3 PM PST) 14050 kHz
Monday 0100z (Sunday 5 PM PST)  7045 kHz

  Stay well,
 Kevin.  KD5ONS

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[Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

2011-02-05 Thread cr...@thephotoman.com


 Original Message 
Subject:K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download
Date:   Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:21:05 -0800
From:   cr...@thephotoman.com cr...@thephotoman.com
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net



I hope someone can help me as I tried to update the firmware onto my K3
this afternoon. I first tried it five times getting ERR DSE E202 on
the K3, and xE26 on the K3Util screen with the details as DSP1
verification failed, and version verification number failed. Then I
deleted the K3Util program, and connected an Ethernet cable to my
laptop, then reloaded the K3Util software. Tried another five tines with
the same error results. I read all the notes online, and I'm stumped.
All the other firmware loads fine.

Craig W6WL

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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

2011-02-05 Thread don Swetzig
I needed to make a real rs232 cable to get mine to work nbsp;

The usb adaptors don't work very well including the ones elecraft sell.

It's time to work on robustness on the loader instead on new features.

This is a problem that will damage the K3 reputation if it is not addressed. 
nbsp; As there are not many pc's that have the real ports anymore.

Don




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On Feb 5, 2011 8:28 PM, cr...@thephotoman.com lt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt; 
wrote: 





 Original Message 

Subject:K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

Date:   Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:21:05 -0800

From:   cr...@thephotoman.com lt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt;

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net







I hope someone can help me as I tried to update the firmware onto my K3

this afternoon. I first tried it five times getting ERR DSE E202 on

the K3, and xE26 on the K3Util screen with the details as DSP1

verification failed, and version verification number failed. Then I

deleted the K3Util program, and connected an Ethernet cable to my

laptop, then reloaded the K3Util software. Tried another five tines with

the same error results. I read all the notes online, and I'm stumped.

All the other firmware loads fine.



Craig W6WL



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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

2011-02-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Craig,

If you are able, try using a real serial port on a desktop computer if 
you are able - no adapter drivers to confuse the issue.  I use a real 
serial port and have done many firmware upgrades.  The only time I had a 
problem was when I pushed a button during the upgrade process (that was 
my error, not a K3 error).

If you are confined to your laptop, make sure you have the correct and 
current drivers for your USB to serial adapter.  The older Elecraft KUSB 
adapters used the prolific chipset, but the newer ones (ordered in the 
last 6 months or so) use the FTDI chipset which seems to be more 
stable.  The older USB to serial adapters have had some problems with 
Vista and Win7, so if your OS is not WinXP, and you are using the older 
KUSB, you may want to purchase an FTDI based adapter.

The K3 firmware has been loaded by many users, so that itself is not the 
likely problem.  USB adapters and their drivers are the most common 
causes of failure.

73,
Don W3FPR


On 2/5/2011 9:28 PM, cr...@thephotoman.com wrote:

  Original Message 
 Subject:  K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download
 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:21:05 -0800
 From: cr...@thephotoman.comcr...@thephotoman.com
 To:   elecraft@mailman.qth.net



 I hope someone can help me as I tried to update the firmware onto my K3
 this afternoon. I first tried it five times getting ERR DSE E202 on
 the K3, and xE26 on the K3Util screen with the details as DSP1
 verification failed, and version verification number failed. Then I
 deleted the K3Util program, and connected an Ethernet cable to my
 laptop, then reloaded the K3Util software. Tried another five tines with
 the same error results. I read all the notes online, and I'm stumped.
 All the other firmware loads fine.

 Craig W6WL

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[Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface program (Ver 1.1.4.12)

2011-02-05 Thread Roger de Valle
Has anyone used the third party application by W4SMT for the W2 watt 
meter on Windows 7?

I was able to install and run it on XP but the application never appears 
on Windows 7, it can be seen as a running task in Windows 7 but no way 
can I ever get it to appear on screen.

Roger VK3ADE
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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

2011-02-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Don,

I have trouble blaming the problem on the K3 when the real problem lies 
with the Operating System and properly operating drivers (or lack 
thereof) for the USB to serial adapters.

Use of a desktop computer for the hamshack is quite desirable IMHO - 
mine sits under the desk and the monitor, keyboard and mouse takes up 
less space than a laptop.  If the particular desktop does not come with 
serial ports, there are cards available that will add native serial 
ports to a desktop.  Laptops are quite another story, although PCMCIA 
serial port cards are available and should be more reliable than USB to 
serial adapters.

Desktop computers with serial ports are available at bargain prices in 
the off-lease category (I like the IBM off-lease, many of which have 2 
serial ports).  Most are loaded with WinXPpro and cost less than $150, 
and are more than adequate for a dedicated ham-station computer.  Sure, 
you have to spend additional dollars for a monitor, but that is small 
change compared to laptop prices.  The flexibility offered by a desktop 
far exceeds the convenience of a laptop for ham use, and is much more 
reliable (a laptop is a throw-away device if it stops working).

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/5/2011 9:49 PM, don Swetzig wrote:
 I needed to make a real rs232 cable to get mine to worknbsp;

 The usb adaptors don't work very well including the ones elecraft sell.

 It's time to work on robustness on the loader instead on new features.

 This is a problem that will damage the K3 reputation if it is not 
 addressed.nbsp; As there are not many pc's that have the real ports anymore.

 Don




 KD8NNU

 Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint
 On Feb 5, 2011 8:28 PM, cr...@thephotoman.comlt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt; 
 wrote:





  Original Message 

 Subject:  K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:21:05 -0800

 From: cr...@thephotoman.comlt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt;

 To:   elecraft@mailman.qth.net







 I hope someone can help me as I tried to update the firmware onto my K3

 this afternoon. I first tried it five times getting ERR DSE E202 on

 the K3, and xE26 on the K3Util screen with the details as DSP1

 verification failed, and version verification number failed. Then I

 deleted the K3Util program, and connected an Ethernet cable to my

 laptop, then reloaded the K3Util software. Tried another five tines with

 the same error results. I read all the notes online, and I'm stumped.

 All the other firmware loads fine.



 Craig W6WL



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Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500

2011-02-05 Thread Bob Naumann
John,

What are your credentials for such a critique without having actually seen
or used the amplifier, and what is your callsign?

73,

Bob W5OV


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of juergen
Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 5:47 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500


Hi Albert

I just looked at the picture of the inside of the THP amp.

http://www.tokyohypower.com/hl-550fx_i_pop.html

I am not impressed with the construction. It looks a lot like an Ameritron
inside. At most it looks like a EB104 CCI amp with a power supply and a low
pass filter board in a box. The cooling looks to be primitive at best.

I also dont like the switch mode power supply being so close to the high
pass  filter board. This is a recipe for noise and other problems. There is
also a general lack of shielding. This might be ok for for 500 watt
amplifier, however its very öpen

I dont see  real value in this amp especially after looking inside it. I
would be more inclined to go buy an Ameritron AlS1300 which represents good
value and has similar or better construction. It would certainly have
better overhead in terms of output power.

73
John
--- On Sat, 2/5/11, juergen plebia...@yahoo.com wrote:

 From: juergen plebia...@yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] KPA 500
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 3:33 PM
 Hi Albert
 
 The old standard of 220,230,240 volts +- 10% has been
 gradually deteriorating to plus minus anything! 
 
 The mains voltages  in many places now goes up to and
 regularly runs at 260 volts! The global de-regulation and
 privatization of power assets globally has seen
 standards  go down the drain everywhere.
 
 Most quality switch mode power supplies are designed for
 voltages   as high as 260 high volts with a
 plus 5% rating. Many designers and export countries have not
 caught up with the global deregulation of mains voltage
 standards. In many places this has been allowed to happen in
 the hope that a global standard will develop.
 
 I can buy energy saving globes that are rated to work at
 260 volts(Philips). Many  TV's from the Korean
 companies are designed to  work at 260 volts. There is
 still a lot of new equipment designed for either 220 and 230
 volts nominally. This  well defined standard is hardly
 the  reality anywhere these days even with the +- 5%
 allowance
 
 
 The Tokyo high power amp looks interesting. They appear to
 be using VRF150's. If they have  biased this amp very
 well they will achieve good IMD results.  
 
 SPE amplifiers using the MRF150's dont achieve the best IMD
 performance which can be obtained from  these devices.
 The Yaesu FT-5000's PA appears to be very well designed. The
 3rd order IMD figures in Class AB according to the reviews
 are almost as low as Class A at 200 watts of output. They
 use VRF150's This a is a very good achievement by Yaesu and
 is a benchmark in terms of IMD performance.
 
 I doubt that the Tokyo High power will achieve such good
 results because THP have always used just the bare minimum
 bias on all their amp designs. IMD optimization has never
 been a design goal of theirs. I had a good chat with the
 designer one day and he was open and candid about this
 issue.
 
 Mt homebrew MRF150-EB104 amp easily achieves -40db 3rd IMD
 figures on all bands. My surplus ERB MRI amplifier 
 which I bought on Ebay does even better than -40db 3rd
 order. These are all below one of 2 tone figures not PEP
 figures. 
 
 The Elecraft KPA500 will use VRF2933's for which  no
 IMD data  is provided on the data sheets. I dont know
 why Microsemi leaves out this important data. Macom
 religiously supplies extensive IMD data versus bias current
 which makes choosing devices very easy.  Anyway this
 will hardly be concern for anyone since the radios always
 have worst IMD performance than  the amplifiers.
 
 I will watch the reviews and see how they both perform, the
 market is getting crowded! I will make my donation once I
 know how well they perform. It would be nice owning a 
 compact 500 watt amp  that performs well without all
 the mess and surplus rubbish hanging off the amp.
 
 73
 John
  
 
 --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
 wrote:
 
  From: Albert Crespo f5...@orange.fr
  Subject: [Elecraft] KPA 500
  To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
  Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 9:43 AM
  Tokyo High Power has produced a 600
  watt amplifier,  HL-550FX ,
http://www.arraysolutions.com/Products/THPtop.htm   that
  can handle a wide range of voltages, so it is ideal
 for
  places with bad  voltage regulation. Will the  new
  amplifier that Elecraft will produce will have this
 same
  ability?
 
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Re: [Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface program (Ver 1.1.4.12)

2011-02-05 Thread Roger de Valle

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Re: [Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface program (Ver 1.1.4.12)

2011-02-05 Thread Roger de Valle
Thank you Jim and David

I will try again with your suggestions.

Roger VK3ADE.


On 06/02/2011 14:25, David Fleming wrote:
 Hi Roger,

 It sounds like a problem with the preferences file. Try deleting the 
 preferences file W2Prefs and restarting the .EXE.

 On Vista and Windows 7, W2Prefs will be located here:

 C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming

 The AppData folder might be hidden on Windows Vista and 7.

 To unhide this folder (and others), open the Folder Options in the Vista 
 Control Panel, and on the “View” tab, change the option to “show hidden files 
 and folders”, and click ok. You should then be able to navigate to the 
 AppData\Roaming folder and delete the W2Prefs file.

 HTH..

 73, David, W4SMT

 --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Roger de Vallero...@genette.biz  wrote:

 From: Roger de Vallero...@genette.biz
 Subject: [Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface program (Ver 1.1.4.12)
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 10:04 PM
 Has anyone used the third party
 application by W4SMT for the W2 watt
 meter on Windows 7?

 I was able to install and run it on XP but the application
 never appears
 on Windows 7, it can be seen as a running task in Windows 7
 but no way
 can I ever get it to appear on screen.

 Roger VK3ADE
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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

2011-02-05 Thread cr...@thephotoman.com
Thanks for the input, Don.

I deleted the old firmware file in my local folder, and reloaded just 
the latest DSP files. Worked perfectly. I really don't think the USB 
cable is the issue. Anyway, I'm a happy camper!

Craig W6WL

On 2/5/2011 7:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Don,

 I have trouble blaming the problem on the K3 when the real problem 
 lies with the Operating System and properly operating drivers (or lack 
 thereof) for the USB to serial adapters.

 Use of a desktop computer for the hamshack is quite desirable IMHO - 
 mine sits under the desk and the monitor, keyboard and mouse takes up 
 less space than a laptop.  If the particular desktop does not come 
 with serial ports, there are cards available that will add native 
 serial ports to a desktop.  Laptops are quite another story, although 
 PCMCIA serial port cards are available and should be more reliable 
 than USB to serial adapters.

 Desktop computers with serial ports are available at bargain prices in 
 the off-lease category (I like the IBM off-lease, many of which have 2 
 serial ports).  Most are loaded with WinXPpro and cost less than $150, 
 and are more than adequate for a dedicated ham-station computer.  
 Sure, you have to spend additional dollars for a monitor, but that is 
 small change compared to laptop prices.  The flexibility offered by a 
 desktop far exceeds the convenience of a laptop for ham use, and is 
 much more reliable (a laptop is a throw-away device if it stops 
 working).

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 2/5/2011 9:49 PM, don Swetzig wrote:
 I needed to make a real rs232 cable to get mine to worknbsp;

 The usb adaptors don't work very well including the ones elecraft sell.

 It's time to work on robustness on the loader instead on new features.

 This is a problem that will damage the K3 reputation if it is not 
 addressed.nbsp; As there are not many pc's that have the real ports 
 anymore.

 Don




 KD8NNU

 Sent from my Palm Pre on the Now Network from Sprint
 On Feb 5, 2011 8:28 PM, 
 cr...@thephotoman.comlt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt; wrote:





  Original Message 

 Subject: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:21:05 -0800

 From: cr...@thephotoman.comlt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt;

 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net







 I hope someone can help me as I tried to update the firmware onto my K3

 this afternoon. I first tried it five times getting ERR DSE E202 on

 the K3, and xE26 on the K3Util screen with the details as DSP1

 verification failed, and version verification number failed. Then I

 deleted the K3Util program, and connected an Ethernet cable to my

 laptop, then reloaded the K3Util software. Tried another five tines with

 the same error results. I read all the notes online, and I'm stumped.

 All the other firmware loads fine.



 Craig W6WL



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Re: [Elecraft] Fwd: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

2011-02-05 Thread Don Wilhelm
  Craig,

I am glad to hear you had success.

Unfortunately, many of similar problems are OS and USB to serial driver 
related.  The USB cable itself is not the problem, but the available 
drivers to support it for the various OS versions seems to be the 
biggest problem.

 From my recall, the older KUSB with the prolific chipset is problematic 
with Vista and Win7 OS because Prolific does not have current drivers 
for those OS.  Is this a Microsoft problem or is it a prolific chipset 
problem - I am not to be a judge, but it is a problem for the end user.  
There is no clear indication of who to point the blame finger 
toward.   Buyer Beware - real serial ports seem to cause few 
difficulties.  If you have a choice, use the native PC serial port 
rather than the USB to serial adapter.

73,
Don W3FPR

On 2/5/2011 10:54 PM, cr...@thephotoman.com wrote:
 Thanks for the input, Don.

 I deleted the old firmware file in my local folder, and reloaded just 
 the latest DSP files. Worked perfectly. I really don't think the USB 
 cable is the issue. Anyway, I'm a happy camper!

 Craig W6WL

 On 2/5/2011 7:07 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote:
  Don,

 I have trouble blaming the problem on the K3 when the real problem 
 lies with the Operating System and properly operating drivers (or 
 lack thereof) for the USB to serial adapters.

 Use of a desktop computer for the hamshack is quite desirable IMHO - 
 mine sits under the desk and the monitor, keyboard and mouse takes up 
 less space than a laptop.  If the particular desktop does not come 
 with serial ports, there are cards available that will add native 
 serial ports to a desktop.  Laptops are quite another story, although 
 PCMCIA serial port cards are available and should be more reliable 
 than USB to serial adapters.

 Desktop computers with serial ports are available at bargain prices 
 in the off-lease category (I like the IBM off-lease, many of which 
 have 2 serial ports).  Most are loaded with WinXPpro and cost less 
 than $150, and are more than adequate for a dedicated ham-station 
 computer.  Sure, you have to spend additional dollars for a monitor, 
 but that is small change compared to laptop prices.  The flexibility 
 offered by a desktop far exceeds the convenience of a laptop for 
 ham use, and is much more reliable (a laptop is a throw-away device 
 if it stops working).

 73,
 Don W3FPR

 On 2/5/2011 9:49 PM, don Swetzig wrote:
 I needed to make a real rs232 cable to get mine to worknbsp;

 The usb adaptors don't work very well including the ones elecraft sell.

 It's time to work on robustness on the loader instead on new features.

 This is a problem that will damage the K3 reputation if it is not 
 addressed.nbsp; As there are not many pc's that have the real ports 
 anymore.

 Don




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 cr...@thephotoman.comlt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt; wrote:





  Original Message 

 Subject: K3 Failed DSP Firmware Download

 Date: Sat, 05 Feb 2011 18:21:05 -0800

 From: cr...@thephotoman.comlt;cr...@thephotoman.comgt;

 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net







 I hope someone can help me as I tried to update the firmware onto my K3

 this afternoon. I first tried it five times getting ERR DSE E202 on

 the K3, and xE26 on the K3Util screen with the details as DSP1

 verification failed, and version verification number failed. Then I

 deleted the K3Util program, and connected an Ethernet cable to my

 laptop, then reloaded the K3Util software. Tried another five tines 
 with

 the same error results. I read all the notes online, and I'm stumped.

 All the other firmware loads fine.



 Craig W6WL



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[Elecraft] P3 noise floor base line question.

2011-02-05 Thread K7WIA

K3+P3.   when the K3 is set up into a dummy load, with the pre amp OFF. the
noise base line is at S1/2 (between S0  S1)  on the P3.
Then switching in the ATT the noise floor climbs to S2, 
With the ATT switched in and the PREAMP on,  the noise floor goes back to
S1.
With just the Preamp On the noise floor goes to S0
It does this on all bands
Is this right?  or am I just nit-picky

Ed K7WIA 

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Re: [Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface program (Ver 1.1.4.12)

2011-02-05 Thread Roger de Valle
David

You can download the application from www.remoterig.com. Without a USB 
key you will not get it going but it will demonstrate the problem. The 
problem is that the remoterig ports have nothing to connect to until 
their application is actually running so anyone that polls their virtual 
ports will simply hang. Probably the best and fastest solution is simply 
allow your user to select a comport rather than you trying to help by 
polling for a W2, the remote rig people could also help by modifying 
their virtual port drivers. I personally think it is more their problem 
than yours.

Best Regards.

Roger VK3ADE.

On 06/02/2011 15:59, David Fleming wrote:
 Roger, thanks for isolating the problem. The app does poll all of the 
 available serial ports during startup; to build a list used for port 
 selection in the setup.

 this means the ports were capable of operating
 normally.
 With the remote rig application. Apparently there is something odd about 
 those virtual ports. Is the remote rig software available somewhere to 
 download. I could try it and see if the problems occurs on my Win 7 machine.

 tnx and 73,

 David, W4SMT

 --- On Sat, 2/5/11, Roger de Vallero...@genette.biz  wrote:

 From: Roger de Vallero...@genette.biz
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface program (Ver 1.1.4.12)
 To: df...@yahoo.com
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 11:39 PM
 David

 I just tried starting the remote rig application before
 your
 application, I did not however open any com ports on the
 remote rig
 application, this means the ports were capable of operating
 normally. I
 then started your application and it came up just fine, so
 I now know
 why your application hung.

 I assume you application is enumerating the com ports at
 start up and
 possibly trying to open them, it hits the virtual ports and
 hangs,

 Regards.

 Roger VK3ADE.

 On 06/02/2011 14:25, David Fleming wrote:
 Hi Roger,

 It sounds like a problem with the preferences file.
 Try deleting the preferences file W2Prefs and restarting
 the .EXE.
 On Vista and Windows 7, W2Prefs will be located here:

 C:\Users\USERNAME\AppData\Roaming

 The AppData folder might be hidden on Windows Vista
 and 7.
 To unhide this folder (and others), open the Folder
 Options in the Vista Control Panel, and on the “View”
 tab, change the option to “show hidden files and
 folders”, and click ok. You should then be able to
 navigate to the AppData\Roaming folder and delete the
 W2Prefs file.
 HTH..

 73, David, W4SMT

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 wrote:
 From: Roger de Vallero...@genette.biz
 Subject: [Elecraft] [W2} Elecraft W2 Interface
 program (Ver 1.1.4.12)
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Date: Saturday, February 5, 2011, 10:04 PM
 Has anyone used the third party
 application by W4SMT for the W2 watt
 meter on Windows 7?

 I was able to install and run it on XP but the
 application
 never appears
 on Windows 7, it can be seen as a running task in
 Windows 7
 but no way
 can I ever get it to appear on screen.

 Roger VK3ADE

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 noise floor base line question.

2011-02-05 Thread n1al
That sounds about right.  With the preamp on the K3 is more sensitive so
the noise level drops.  With the attenuator on the K3 is less sensitive so
the noise level rises.

Another way to look at it is to realize that the P3 compensates for the K3
attenuator and preamp to keep signal levels the same.  So when you turn on
the preamp, the P3 lowers its gain so that signals show at the same S
level.  That makes the noise look lower.

Alan N1AL


 K3+P3.   when the K3 is set up into a dummy load, with the pre amp OFF.
 the
 noise base line is at S1/2 (between S0  S1)  on the P3.
 Then switching in the ATT the noise floor climbs to S2,
 With the ATT switched in and the PREAMP on,  the noise floor goes back to
 S1.
 With just the Preamp On the noise floor goes to S0
 It does this on all bands
 Is this right?  or am I just nit-picky

 Ed K7WIA

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Re: [Elecraft] P3 noise floor base line question.

2011-02-05 Thread K7WIA

Thanks Alan,,  now I know whats going on..

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