Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Lyn Norstad]

I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.  

 

Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same 
types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO 
vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly 
were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the 
product, and worked very hard to make it a success.

 

Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had 
sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they 
wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation 
slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the 
old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions 
and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an 
amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an 
industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid 
development.

 

It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had 
all feared.

 

Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at 
work here.

 

73

Lyn, W0LEN

 

From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
Roycraft
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
To: elecraft...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?

 

The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. 
 I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 
2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it 
likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same 
question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be 
no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the 
expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's 
pre-pandemic.

73, Ted, W2ZK

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Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3

[Geert Jan de Groot]

Hi,

First off, sorry for your loss.


As to options, and especially modifications, I very much would like 
Elecraft to give each modification a number so there can be a sticker in 
a radio that says:


This radio has the following modifications: 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 12.

That would make these things much easier.

For K2, K3, and the KX-en too late, but perhaps for the K4 this can and 
should be done?


Geert Jan

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Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3 nk7z

[Keith Trinity WE6R]

Hi Dave;
Since it was here less than a year ago, no need to send it for updates.
If it hasn't been altered, you can get all the options/filters from the 
menus.
If it has been reset for some reason, we can send you the configuration 
file to re-load that was saved at last service.


We don't inventory every radio, but you could load that file into the 
radio and then go thru the menus.
This would be a fairly accurate list unless you believe he 
removed/changed any filters or options, in which case you will have to 
open it up and take out the Sub receiver and open the sub receiver to 
inventory all items.


Someone could also load that file into another radio (I believe it is 
advanced mode of the K3 Utility lets you skip past the serial # 
mismatch) then look thru the menus. Don't forget to save the host 
radio's config file before doing this so you can restore it!

Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech.

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[Elecraft] kxat3 how to adjust

[Wayne Suite]

I have read that its possible to adjust the l and c values selected
manually up or down a value.

I have not been able to find a way to do it.

I have tried the mp command and the ak command without success yet a while
back someone talking on an email with Don indicated it was possible to do
this when recieving. I can use the ak to see which l and c values are
selected but I cannot seem to change them using ak010800; after sent the ak
response comes back ak030800; again which is what the tuner selected I want
to try l of 02 or 01 and then look to see how it affects the swr reading in
xmit.

Is this possible since the AK command only appears to be get and the mp
command returns mp000; when used while in the atu md or atu.data menus.

Thanks in advance
Wayne
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Steven Kline via Elecraft]

Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that 
with spouse.  Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air.  
Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get 
something else and keep operating.  Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even 
from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping).  Latter I don’t 
understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy.  If 
occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence.  I see no 
light at all inside the tunnel.

Steve - W5JK

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad  wrote:
> 
> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.  
> 
> 
> 
> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same 
> types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The 
> CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very 
> nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and 
> the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
> 
> 
> 
> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they 
> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that 
> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and 
> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” 
> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the 
> hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 
> Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the 
> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further 
> consolidation and rapid development.
> 
> 
> 
> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we 
> had all feared.
> 
> 
> 
> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people 
> at work here.
> 
> 
> 
> 73
> 
> Lyn, W0LEN
> 
> 
> 
> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
> Roycraft
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
> To: elecraft...@groups.io
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
> 
> 
> 
> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
> official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of 
> anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted 
> on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins 
> or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked 
> much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, 
> there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I 
> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or 
> December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.
> 
> 73, Ted, W2ZK
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[John Stengrevics]

During the online event some weeks ago, Eric said he expected to finish Group 1 
by May.  

73,

John
WA1EAZ

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steven Kline via Elecraft 
>  wrote:
> 
> Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing 
> that with spouse.  Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the 
> air.  Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can 
> get something else and keep operating.  Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not 
> even from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping).  Latter I 
> don’t understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy.  
> If occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence.  I 
> see no light at all inside the tunnel.
> 
> Steve - W5JK
> 
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad  wrote:
>> 
>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
>> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
>> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same 
>> types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The 
>> CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very 
>> nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and 
>> the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they 
>> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that 
>> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and 
>> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” 
>> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all 
>> the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion 
>> ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease 
>> the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we 
>> had all feared.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people 
>> at work here.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 73
>> 
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
>> Roycraft
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>> To: elecraft...@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
>> official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of 
>> anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted 
>> on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 
>> begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have 
>> asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from 
>> then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, 
>> when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>> November or December, 2019.  That's pre-pandemic.
>> 
>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[David Gilbert]

As the kids say, "cool story, bro."

None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, 
and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside 
that your story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that 
your example had.  Apples and potatoes.


There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for 
major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't 
understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the 
delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time 
to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able 
to tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the 
product that they paid for.


I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but 
that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.


Dave  AB7E



On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.

  


Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same 
types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO 
vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly 
were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the 
product, and worked very hard to make it a success.

  


Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold 
the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me 
to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly 
disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R 
team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly 
recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to 
totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that 
precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.

  


It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had 
all feared.

  


Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at 
work here.

  


73

Lyn, W0LEN

  


From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
Roycraft
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
To: elecraft...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?

  


The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. 
 I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 
2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it 
likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same 
question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be 
no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the 
expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's 
pre-pandemic.

73, Ted, W2ZK

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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[W0MU Mike Fatchett]

It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have 
posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated 
in the past.


I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery 
dates.


Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy 
don't want the product.  This radio is a lot of money for many people.  
I doubt they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a 
portion of their business.  It cost far more to bring in new customers 
than it does to keep old ones.


W0MU





On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:

David,

Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too 
even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t 
those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t 
those that are upset with the communications be gone by now??

Regards
-Hal


On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:


As the kids say, "cool story, bro."

None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money 
with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 
situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story did.  
There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  Apples and 
potatoes.

There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major 
and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is the 
almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It makes 
no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his latest 
pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors where the 
company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.

I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that 
doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.

Dave  AB7E



On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:

I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.

  
Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.


  
Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.


  
It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had all feared.


  
Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at work here.


  
73


Lyn, W0LEN

  
From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted Roycraft

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
To: elecraft...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?

  
The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.


73, Ted, W2ZK

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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[stephen shearer]

"Group 1, done by May" ??  Would be nice.  I am not going to hold my 
breath. The few (2?), "I got a UPS package", were from orders entered 
the first day.  Group 1 was not closed until Jan 2020??


"I Think" some of the communications from Elecraft are "hung up" with 
the Ferengi print from the online event keeping Elecraft from 
re-publishing any of the online event communication until the end of the 
30 day "hold".  If I was running the online event, I would want 
exclusive "use" of any publications for the full 30 days.  So, 16? Apr...


Yes, I could pay my $10 and see all the doc.  I was unavailable during 
the actual event, so I didn't sign up at all.


The last I looked, the KX3 is back ordered, too.

I would not mind an additional 6 month delay, IF I was told it was 
because Elecraft was moving to TN so that they could save 10% over 
current cost/taxes in CA.  I don't expect a move to happen. So, 60 days 
till the end of May, can they do it?


I placed my Group 1 order a week or so before Thanksgiving 2019...

73, steve WB3LGC


On 3/30/21 3:17 PM, John Stengrevics wrote:

During the online event some weeks ago,*Eric said he expected to finish Group 1 
by May. *

73,

John
WA1EAZ


On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:51 PM, Steven Kline via Elecraft 
 wrote:

Paid in full here since last year and ordered June 2019, try rationalizing that 
with spouse.  Down to my last TT Orion of two, barely keeping it on the air.  
Almost at point of needing to cancel and ask money be returned so I can get 
something else and keep operating.  Seeing nothing, hearing nothing (not even 
from anyone receiving a K-4 - assuming some are shipping).  Latter I don’t 
understand how anyone would allow themselves to be bound in secrecy.  If 
occurring must be significant benefit for observing code of silence.  I see no 
light at all inside the tunnel.

Steve - W5JK


On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:55 AM, Lyn Norstad  wrote:

I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.



Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same 
types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The CEO 
vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very nearly 
were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and the 
product, and worked very hard to make it a success.



Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they had sold 
the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that they wanted me 
to join them for lunch to discuss the deal.  My fear and trepidation slowly 
disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R 
team still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly 
recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to 
totally turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that 
precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.



It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we had 
all feared.



Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people at 
work here.



73

Lyn, W0LEN



From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
Roycraft
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
To: elecraft...@groups.io
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?



The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of anything. 
 I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 
2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it 
likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same 
question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there would still be 
no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I submitted my order the 
expected shipping date was estimated to be November or December, 2019.  That's 
pre-pandemic.

73, Ted, W2ZK

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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Hal Massey]

David, 

Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too 
even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t 
those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t 
those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? 

Regards
-Hal

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
> 
> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money 
> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the K4 
> situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story 
> did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  
> Apples and potatoes.
> 
> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major 
> and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is 
> the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  It 
> makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his 
> latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors 
> where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid for.
> 
> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that 
> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
> 
> Dave  AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
>> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>> 
>>  
>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
>> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the same 
>> types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  The 
>> CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they very 
>> nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company and 
>> the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>> 
>>  
>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they 
>> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that 
>> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and 
>> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” 
>> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all 
>> the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion 
>> ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease 
>> the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>> 
>>  
>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we 
>> had all feared.
>> 
>>  
>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart people 
>> at work here.
>> 
>>  
>> 73
>> 
>> Lyn, W0LEN
>> 
>>  
>> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
>> Roycraft
>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>> To: elecraft...@groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>> 
>>  
>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
>> official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of 
>> anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted 
>> on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 
>> begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have 
>> asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from 
>> then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, 
>> when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>> 
>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Dr. William J. Schmidt]

You might try the "K4-Elecraft"  group...  


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of W0MU Mike Fatchett
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 3:33 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have posted. 
 This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in the past.

I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates.

Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't want 
the product.  This radio is a lot of money for many people. I doubt they are 
doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their business.  
It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep old ones.

W0MU





On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too 
> even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t 
> those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t 
> those that are upset with the communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money 
>> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the 
>> K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your story 
>> did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example had.  
>> Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for major 
>> and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't understand is 
>> the almost total absence of regular communication on the delivery status.  
>> It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to tell us about his 
>> latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to tell his investors 
>> where the company stands on actually producing the product that they paid 
>> for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that 
>> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two years 
>>> ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
>>> associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the 
>>> same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market.  
>>> The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they 
>>> very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the company 
>>> and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they 
>>> had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and that 
>>> they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear and 
>>> trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management “team” 
>>> (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers to all 
>>> the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion 
>>> ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease 
>>> the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>   
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we 
>>> had all feared.
>>>
>>>   
>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart 
>>> people at work here.
>>>
>>>   
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>   
>>> From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of Ted 
>>> Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: elecraft...@groups.io
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>   
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
>>> official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of 
>>> anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, submitted 
>>> on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before summer, 2021 
>>> begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year.  I could have 
>>> asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that a year from 
>>> then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, 
>>> when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Hal Massey]

I am curious. Did you miss the update that was done via the remote Hamvention a 
few weeks ago. Group 1 clears in May?? Is your communication comment based on 
lack of website info? Customer’s that paid (me) should get emails every week??  
I feel like I have been kept in the loop. That’s quite different than being 
over joyed by a delay...

> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:33 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett  wrote:
> 
> It is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have 
> posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in 
> the past.
> 
> I don't believe it is asking too much for regular updates on delivery dates.
> 
> Just because some are not happy with a delay does not mean that tehy don't 
> want the product.  This radio is a lot of money for many people.  I doubt 
> they are doing so well that they can afford to chase off a portion of their 
> business.  It cost far more to bring in new customers than it does to keep 
> old ones.
> 
> W0MU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/30/2021 2:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
>> David,
>> 
>> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too 
>> even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t 
>> those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t 
>> those that are upset with the communications be gone by now??
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>> 
>>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money 
>>> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the 
>>> K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your 
>>> story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example 
>>> had.  Apples and potatoes.
>>> 
>>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for 
>>> major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't 
>>> understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the 
>>> delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to 
>>> tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to 
>>> tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the 
>>> product that they paid for.
>>> 
>>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that 
>>> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>> 
>>> Dave  AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
 I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two 
 years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
 
  Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had 
 been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of 
 the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to 
 market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, 
 which they very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in 
 the company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
 
  Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that 
 they had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) 
 and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My 
 fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new 
 management “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got 
 viable answers to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an 
 immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally 
 turn things around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that 
 precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
 
  It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster 
 we had all feared.
 
  Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart 
 people at work here.
 
  73
 
 Lyn, W0LEN
 
  From: elecraft...@groups.io [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io] On Behalf Of 
 Ted Roycraft
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
 To: elecraft...@groups.io
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
 
  The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
 official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of 
 anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, 
 submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before 
 summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. 
  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that 
 a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  
 By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping 

Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Jim Brown]

On 3/30/2021 1:33 PM, W0MU Mike Fatchett wrote:
t is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have 
posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated 
in the past.


We're in the midst of a pandemic. Elecraft is a small company, and 
they've had COVID in house. Systems that were set up for people working 
in their office/lab/factory break down when that isn't possible.


73, Jim K9YC


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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Hal Massey]

Following the posts everyday….


> On Mar 30, 2021, at 2:57 PM, David Gilbert  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been following the 
> posts here on the reflector.
> 
> Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for your 
> money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't have been 
> tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
> 
> Dave   AB7E
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
>> David, 
>> 
>> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be sympathetic too 
>> even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to anyone that asks. Wouldn’t 
>> those that can’t have their money tied up have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t 
>> those that are upset with the communications be gone by now?? 
>> 
>> Regards
>> -Hal
>> 
>>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>> 
>>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of money 
>>> with almost zero visibility into when they will get their product, and the 
>>> K4 situation doesn't have the significantly leveraged upside that your 
>>> story did.  There isn't the same risk/reward ratio here that your example 
>>> had.  Apples and potatoes.
>>> 
>>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack for 
>>> major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I don't 
>>> understand is the almost total absence of regular communication on the 
>>> delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find the time to 
>>> tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he should be able to 
>>> tell his investors where the company stands on actually producing the 
>>> product that they paid for.
>>> 
>>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, but that 
>>> doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>> 
>>> Dave  AB7E
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
 I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k two 
 years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I can.
 
  
 Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I had been 
 associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru many of the 
 same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new product to market. 
  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if they were broke, which they 
 very nearly were.  But the employees were faithful believers in the 
 company and the product, and worked very hard to make it a success.
 
  
 Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me that they 
 had sold the company to another industry player (a non-competitor) and 
 that they wanted me to join them for lunch to discuss the deal. My fear 
 and trepidation slowly disappeared that day as I met the new management 
 “team” (with all the old R team still hard at work), got viable answers 
 to all the hard questions and quickly recognized how an immediate cash 
 infusion ($10 Million) had an amazing ability to totally turn things 
 around, grease the wheels, and create an industry shakeup that 
 precipitated a wave of further consolidation and rapid development.
 
  
 It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential disaster we 
 had all feared.
 
  
 Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very smart 
 people at work here.
 
  
 73
 
 Lyn, W0LEN
 
  
 From: elecraft...@groups.io  
 [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io ] On Behalf Of 
 Ted Roycraft
 Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
 To: elecraft...@groups.io 
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
 
  
 The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear something 
 official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've heard much of 
 anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my Group 1 order, 
 submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of getting to me before 
 summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will have to wait another year. 
  I could have asked much the same question a year ago never expecting that 
 a year from then, there would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  
 By the way, when I submitted my order the expected shipping date was 
 estimated to be November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
 
 73, Ted, W2ZK
 
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Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3 nk7z

[Dave Cole]

Keith,

First off, thank you very much for the reply!  I do appreciate it greatly!

That is the info I needed!  I now know the menus will give me most of 
what I need.  As far as I know the radio has not been reset, nor has 
anyone been in it!  That makes things a lot simpler!  I do thank you 
sir!  Take care, and and stay safe!  Again, thank you.


73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net
ARRL Volunteer Examiner
ARRL Technical Specialist, RFI
ARRL Asst. Director, NW Division, Technical Resources

On 3/30/21 9:22 AM, Keith Trinity WE6R wrote:

Hi Dave;
Since it was here less than a year ago, no need to send it for updates.
If it hasn't been altered, you can get all the options/filters from the 
menus.
If it has been reset for some reason, we can send you the configuration 
file to re-load that was saved at last service.


We don't inventory every radio, but you could load that file into the 
radio and then go thru the menus.
This would be a fairly accurate list unless you believe he 
removed/changed any filters or options, in which case you will have to 
open it up and take out the Sub receiver and open the sub receiver to 
inventory all items.


Someone could also load that file into another radio (I believe it is 
advanced mode of the K3 Utility lets you skip past the serial # 
mismatch) then look thru the menus. Don't forget to save the host 
radio's config file before doing this so you can restore it!

Keith WE6R K3/K4 Tech.


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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Eric Norris]

Elecraft is unlike all other world-class mfrs of amateur radio
transceivers.  They are very, very small.  They have to be to keep their
margins big enough to compete with giants who mfr marine, aviation, and
consumer electronics.  They can't get away with marketing a KX4 that puts
out ONE WATT more than a KX3 and call it ALL NEW.  If an engineer's house
burns down, they can't easily slide someone else over from another
project.  Same with COVID.

If you ran a company like Elecraft, would you publicize every setback when
every single employee is critical?  No, you wouldn't.  Either give them
more slack, and wait, or go somewhere else and buy something else.  But
please stop the endless whining.

K4s are out there--I hear them on in contests.

Eric has stated they hope to clear the Group 1 backlog by the end of May.
He has also stated that K4 production will ramp up by an order of magnitude
and more.

Remember the K3 rollout?  KPA1500?  NO COVID.  NO WILDFIRES.  I just passed
my two-week vax period, and I am older than almost everybody who works at
Elecraft.  Do the math.

73 Eric WD6DBM

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for
> your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't
> have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[SteveL]

I think there were also Elecraft employees who sadly lost their houses in the 
wild fires of last summer.  That plus pandemic plus loss of IC fab house(s) in 
Asia plus cancelation of most all Ham conventions last year - just a lot to 
endure in the last 12 months - I do not envy anyone trying to keep a business 
afloat, and deliver hi-tech products.

Then just when you thing you’ve got it pulled together, you get a container 
ship - with 20,000 container capacity(!), one of the worlds biggest ships  
(over 4 football fields in length!!!) - wedged sideways across the Suez, and 
400+ ships backed up behind - it’s crazy.

Try to buy a new quality bicycle today, say priced at $1k or more.  The shops 
in my area are quoting 1.5 year delivery on Trek and recommending Craig’s List 
!!?&^!@!

It’s just crazy.  A perfect storm in so many ways and so many fronts.  Hang in 
there!

Steve
aa8af



> 
> 
>> t is puzzling to see the lack of substantive information as other have 
>> posted.  This has not been how Wayne and Eric and Elecraft have operated in 
>> the past.
> 
> We're in the midst of a pandemic. Elecraft is a small company, and they've 
> had COVID in house. Systems that were set up for people working in their 
> office/lab/factory break down when that isn't possible.
> 

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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[David Gilbert]

If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been 
following the posts here on the reflector.


Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for 
your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't 
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.


Dave   AB7E



On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:

David,

Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be 
sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to 
anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up 
have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the 
communications be gone by now??


Regards
-Hal

On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert > wrote:



As the kids say, "cool story, bro."

None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their 
product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly 
leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same 
risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.


There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack 
for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I 
don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication 
on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find 
the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he 
should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on 
actually producing the product that they paid for.


I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, 
but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.


Dave  AB7E



On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k 
two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I 
can.



Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I 
had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru 
many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new 
product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if 
they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees 
were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked 
very hard to make it a success.



Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me 
that they had sold the company to another industry player (a 
non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to 
discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that 
day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team 
still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions 
and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) 
had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the 
wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
further consolidation and rapid development.



It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential 
disaster we had all feared.



Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very 
smart people at work here.



73

Lyn, W0LEN


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[mailto:elecraft...@groups.io ] On 
Behalf Of Ted Roycraft

Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
To: elecraft...@groups.io 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?


The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear 
something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've 
heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my 
Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of 
getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will 
have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same 
question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there 
would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I 
submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.


73, Ted, W2ZK

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Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3

[Dave Cole]

Bill, thank you, Keith gave me the needed info!  No need to call.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
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On 3/29/21 9:58 PM, Bill Johnson wrote:

Given what I have read on the reflector, try calling.  There are so may impatient dolts, 
I can understand there situation. All the stupid "when will I get mine" I am 
sure have bogged down their inbox.  Not to say phone messages aren't as well.  But who 
knows

Bill
K9YEQ

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Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 10:43 PMTo: Brian Hunt 

Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3

Hi Brian,

Thank you for the suggestions, and the tidbits of the additional steps for add 
on items like new synths, etc.  I have saved your email.

I have sent Elecraft three seperate email requests across three weeks, and 
gotten precisely zero replies from supp...@elecraft.com address...

Very dissapointing, not even an acknoledgment they got the mail...  It is like 
firing email into a black hole...

I just resent the 4th request, this time to sales, support, and webmaster in 
hopes I can get in touch with someone at the Elecraft!

I understand things are busy, and I understadn things are diffucult to to 
COVID, etc., but three weeks, and three requests later I am getting very 
frustrated.

73, and thanks,
Dave (NK7Z)
https://www.nk7z.net


On 3/29/21 5:12 PM, Brian Hunt wrote:

Dave,
There have also been numerous component adds/mods over the years. Three that I 
did a couple years ago are 1. Increase the 12vdc accessory power from 500 ma to 
1 A. Evidence is a 1A sticker on the rear of the K3. 2. Add a capacitor to the 
KPA3 to eliminate fan noise pickup evident after the new synthesizers are 
installed. 3. Addition of a capacitor to the KBPF3 general coverage BPFs to 
extend coverage down to the 630 meter band. I’m sure there are others. See the 
mod instructions available on the Elecraft site if you go sleuthing inside the 
box. These are a bit inconsequential but add value to the K3.

Have you thought about asking Elecraft for the work orders for the K3’s S/N?

Good luck and thank you for helping out the family. Sorry you lost a friend.

73,
Brian, K0DTJ




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Re: [Elecraft] RUMlog controls K4

[Walter Underwood]

Great! RUMlogNG and SkookumLogger are independent efforts.

RUMlogNG (Next Generation) is a general purpose logging program from DL2RUM. He 
has also written a couple of Elecraft-specific utilities.

https://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/RUMLog.html
https://www.dl2rum.de/rumsoft/Elecraft.html

SkookumLogger is a contest-oriented logging program from K1GQ.

https://www.k1gq.com/SkookumLogger/

wunder
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> On Mar 30, 2021, at 4:33 PM, Rick Tavan  wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I have very little experience with RUMlog (or Skookum Logger which
> may be a predecessor) but if you use RUMlog on your Mac you may be
> encouraged by this tidbit: I have it running on MacOS Catalina doing rig
> control of the K4 via the USB B port, calling it a K3. I'm keying CW
> through the CAT interface which probably means CAT1ASC commands although
> the documentation doesn't say. I've used both the general interface and the
> contest window, both just enough to believe they work.
> 
> If you're a RUMlog expert waiting for your K4 and want to discuss, feel
> free to contact me directly.
> 
> /Rick N6XI
> --
> 
> Rick Tavan
> Truckee and Saratoga, CA
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[Elecraft] K3S wanted

[Lou W0FK]

Looking for a K3S with KAT tuner and extras. If you’re interested in selling
one, please send me particulars (filters and any other options, asking
price). lladerman AT EarthLink DOT net is my preferred email. Texts to 314
308 4363 also ok.

73, Lou W0FK



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Re: [Elecraft] Inventorying a K3/P3

[Dave Cole]

That is a hell of a good idea!

73, and thanks,
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On 3/30/21 6:35 AM, Geert Jan de Groot wrote:

Hi,

First off, sorry for your loss.


As to options, and especially modifications, I very much would like 
Elecraft to give each modification a number so there can be a sticker in 
a radio that says:


This radio has the following modifications: 01, 02, 03, 04, 06, 08, 12.

That would make these things much easier.

For K2, K3, and the KX-en too late, but perhaps for the K4 this can and 
should be done?


Geert Jan

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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Ray]

Maybe Eric should just say……..
Life with the corona virus has delayed everything by One Year,
So it is with the Delivery of the K4 !  
I am sure You would not Accept or be Happy Either !
Ray WA6VAB K3 



From: David Gilbert
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2021 2:38 PM
To: Hal Massey
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?



If you believe all of that to be true, clearly you haven't been 
following the posts here on the reflector.

Besides, I don't find "if you can't accept being in the dark ask for 
your money back" to be sound business practice.  It certainly wouldn't 
have been tolerated in the large business I ran for several years.

Dave   AB7E



On 3/30/2021 1:18 PM, Hal Massey wrote:
> David,
>
> Is the customer set you are referring to and claiming to be 
> sympathetic too even in existence? Elecraft will refund money to 
> anyone that asks. Wouldn’t those that can’t have their money tied up 
> have pulled out by now? Wouldn’t those that are upset with the 
> communications be gone by now??
>
> Regards
> -Hal
>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 10:51 AM, David Gilbert > > wrote:
>>
>>
>> As the kids say, "cool story, bro."
>>
>> None of it changes the fact that lots of people have put out a lot of 
>> money with almost zero visibility into when they will get their 
>> product, and the K4 situation doesn't have the significantly 
>> leveraged upside that your story did.  There isn't the same 
>> risk/reward ratio here that your example had. Apples and potatoes.
>>
>> There are lots of reasons why Elecraft could be granted some slack 
>> for major and repeated delays in shipping the K4, but the part I 
>> don't understand is the almost total absence of regular communication 
>> on the delivery status.  It makes no sense at all.  If Wayne can find 
>> the time to tell us about his latest pedestrian mobile contact he 
>> should be able to tell his investors where the company stands on 
>> actually producing the product that they paid for.
>>
>> I'm just an interested observer here since I haven't ordered a K4, 
>> but that doesn't change the fact that I sympathize with those who did.
>>
>> Dave  AB7E
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/30/2021 8:55 AM, Lyn Norstad wrote:
>>> I can’t imagine how it would feel to know that I had laid out $4k 
>>> two years ago, and still be waiting for fulfillment.  NO, actually I 
>>> can.
>>>
>>>
>>> Several years ago, an up-and-coming system integration business I 
>>> had been associated with for several years (as a VAR) was going thru 
>>> many of the same types of growing pains in bringing a wonderful new 
>>> product to market.  The CEO vowed he would run the business as if 
>>> they were broke, which they very nearly were.  But the employees 
>>> were faithful believers in the company and the product, and worked 
>>> very hard to make it a success.
>>>
>>>
>>> Early one Monday morning, I had a call from that CEO advising me 
>>> that they had sold the company to another industry player (a 
>>> non-competitor) and that they wanted me to join them for lunch to 
>>> discuss the deal. My fear and trepidation slowly disappeared that 
>>> day as I met the new management “team” (with all the old R team 
>>> still hard at work), got viable answers to all the hard questions 
>>> and quickly recognized how an immediate cash infusion ($10 Million) 
>>> had an amazing ability to totally turn things around, grease the 
>>> wheels, and create an industry shakeup that precipitated a wave of 
>>> further consolidation and rapid development.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was a win-win situation born out of the impending potential 
>>> disaster we had all feared.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hang in there.  Times might seem tough, but there are some very 
>>> smart people at work here.
>>>
>>>
>>> 73
>>>
>>> Lyn, W0LEN
>>>
>>>
>>> From: elecraft...@groups.io  
>>> [mailto:elecraft...@groups.io ] On 
>>> Behalf Of Ted Roycraft
>>> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2021 4:44 PM
>>> To: elecraft...@groups.io 
>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft-K4] Where are the K4 reviews?
>>>
>>>
>>> The natives are getting restless and it would be good to hear 
>>> something official from Elecraft.  It's been too long since we've 
>>> heard much of anything.  I would like to know if I can expect my 
>>> Group 1 order, submitted on August 8, 2019, has any chance of 
>>> getting to me before summer, 2021 begins or is it likely that I will 
>>> have to wait another year.  I could have asked much the same 
>>> question a year ago never expecting that a year from then, there 
>>> would still be no K4 sitting on my table by now.  By the way, when I 
>>> submitted my order the expected shipping date was estimated to be 
>>> November or December, 2019. That's pre-pandemic.
>>>
>>> 73, Ted, W2ZK
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[Elecraft] RUMlog controls K4

[Rick Tavan]

FWIW, I have very little experience with RUMlog (or Skookum Logger which
may be a predecessor) but if you use RUMlog on your Mac you may be
encouraged by this tidbit: I have it running on MacOS Catalina doing rig
control of the K4 via the USB B port, calling it a K3. I'm keying CW
through the CAT interface which probably means CAT1ASC commands although
the documentation doesn't say. I've used both the general interface and the
contest window, both just enough to believe they work.

If you're a RUMlog expert waiting for your K4 and want to discuss, feel
free to contact me directly.

/Rick N6XI
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Re: [Elecraft] RUMlog controls K4

[Bill Frantz]

On 3/30/21 at 7:33 PM, r...@tavan.com (Rick Tavan) wrote:


FWIW, I have very little experience with RUMlog (or Skookum Logger which
may be a predecessor) but if you use RUMlog on your Mac you may be
encouraged by this tidbit: I have it running on MacOS Catalina doing rig
control of the K4 via the USB B port, calling it a K3. I'm keying CW
through the CAT interface which probably means CAT1ASC commands although
the documentation doesn't say. I've used both the general interface and the
contest window, both just enough to believe they work.


I have run RUMlogNG for several years, including using it for CW 
and RTTY contests. I have even hooked a protocol analyser up on 
the RS-232 link between it and the radio to try to chase down a 
problem. It has a very interesting approach to sending and 
receiving CW and RTTY through the K3. It does both through the 
CAT interface. To transmit, it uses KY and TB commands to keep 
the radio from buffering more than 2 or 3 characters so the ESC 
key will stop transmission promptly.


For example, to send AE6JV with the K3's response in [brackets]:

KY A;[KY0;]TB;[TB000;]
KY E6;[KY0;]TB;[TB200;]
KY J;[KY0;]TB;[TB200;]
KY V;[KY0;]TB;[TB300;]TB;[TB200;]
KY  ;[KY0;]TB;[TB300;]TB;[TB200;]
KY 
<04>;[KY0;]TB;[TB300;]TB;[TB200;]TB;[TB100;]TB;[TB000;]TB;TB000; etc.


I have not carefully traced the receive path.

The problem I was trying to track down is the failure to 
correctly chain transmissions in RTTY mode. CW works fine. If, 
for example, I press F4 twice to send my call sign twice, the 
radio will transmit AE6JV E6JV, dropping the first character 
from the second press of F4. I used my KX3 to monitor what was 
actually being transmitted. I got lots of useful advice from 
N6TV in running these tests.




If you're a RUMlog expert waiting for your K4 and want to discuss, feel
free to contact me directly.


I won't say I'm a RUMlog expert, and I'm waiting for the K4 kit, 
but if I can help, please let me know.


73 Bill AE6JV


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Re: [Elecraft] Where are the K4 reviews?

[Lyn Norstad]

H 

Anybody interested in trading a new K4 (when you get it) for a couple of really 
fine Chinese (they all are, folks ...) bicycles?  I give up the bikes when you 
give up the K4.

Deal?  Just checking ...

73
Lyn, W0LEN

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of SteveL
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I think there were also Elecraft employees who sadly lost their houses in the 
wild fires of last summer.  That plus pandemic plus loss of IC fab house(s) in 
Asia plus cancelation of most all Ham conventions last year - just a lot to 
endure in the last 12 months - I do not envy anyone trying to keep a business 
afloat, and deliver hi-tech products.

Then just when you thing you’ve got it pulled together, you get a container 
ship - with 20,000 container capacity(!), one of the worlds biggest ships  
(over 4 football fields in length!!!) - wedged sideways across the Suez, and 
400+ ships backed up behind - it’s crazy.

Try to buy a new quality bicycle today, say priced at $1k or more.  The shops 
in my area are quoting 1.5 year delivery on Trek and recommending Craig’s List 
!!?&^!@!

It’s just crazy.  A perfect storm in so many ways and so many fronts.  Hang in 
there!

Steve
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