Re: [Elecraft] KX2 go-box

[Tim McDonough N9PUZ]

He mentions on the web site that the final version will likely have 
vents and forced air cooling.


On 4/8/2018 7:36 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

Another box with the heatsink enclosed in a space with no ventilation. It looks 
neat, but it is a great way to cook those power transistors.

wunder
K6WRU
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[Elecraft] Elecraft CW Net Report

[kevinr]

Good Evening,

   There were a few waves of static but mostly the signals were clear.  
The ionosphere was moving today there were certainly a wide variety of 
types of QSB.
    Winter still has its hold on those in the Midwest.  Conditions have 
been changing quickly on forty meters.  An hour later, soon. Using my 
left hand?  Not soon.


  On 14050 kHz at 2200z:

W0CZ - Ken - ND

K6XK - Roy - IA

N0DA - Dan - OR

K4JPN - Steve - GA

NB5Q - Tom - Roswell, NM      Hmmm...


  On 7045 kHz at z:

K0DTJ - Brian - CA

K6PJV - Dale - CA

AE6JV - Bill - CA

   73,

   Kevin.  KD5ONS


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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Bill Frantz]

Searching the PDF circuit diagrams for the Elecraft radios is 
how you follow a signal from page to page. That, is an important 
survival technique.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 4/8/18 at 1:52 PM, eric.c...@gmail.com (EricJ) wrote:

It doesn't seem to be well-known but many pdf documents are 
searchable. That's the case with this one. I have a bound and 
severely dog-earred Second Edition, but this pdf is going to 
make it even more useful. Ctrl-F brings up the search box like 
it always does. Enter text (not text in illustrations) and it 
finds it almost instantly.


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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Bill Frantz]

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - 
Arthur C. Clarke

73 Bill AE6JV

On 4/8/18 at 12:23 PM, j...@audiosystemsgroup.com (Jim Brown) wrote:

> In other words, all of the things that can often be ignored at lower 
> frequencies must be considered 
> at higher frequencies. That's not "art," it's not "black magic," its pure 
> science.

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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 go-box

[Walter Underwood]

Another box with the heatsink enclosed in a space with no ventilation. It looks 
neat, but it is a great way to cook those power transistors.

wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:35 PM, Tim McDonough N9PUZ  wrote:
> 
> He does beautiful work. I don't have any desire to make my KX2 larger but 
> some of the things he does give me a few ideas on how I might make a sleaker 
> looking home for the KX2 when it's at home on my desk lashed up to the 
> KXPA100, key, speakers, etc.
> 
> Tim N9PUZ
> 
> On 4/7/2018 4:02 PM, John Harper wrote:
>> I thought some here might appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into Hans'
>> W1JSB latest creation:
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3=1mmoDzQYhms
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> John AE5X
>> https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Pete Michaelis - N8TR]

I have both the first and second editions of the book.  The first 
came out in 1980; the second

in 1989.  The first edition had 716 pages; the second 1125.

73,Pete - N8TR

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Hi Robie, The free Second Edition pdf is quite dated (1980), but 
work every penny of the price! 73 Frank W3LPL -

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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-04-08 05:37 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote:

Actually, it is five times seven equals 42, and 42 is the answer, not the 
question. Everyone has forgotten the question.

K6DGW

Kevin Cozens  wrote:

On 2018-04-08 01:29 PM, kevinr wrote:

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase

[snip]

In addition to the other items mentions, there is also the question "What is
six times nine?".


I didn't forget the question. It is in what I wrote in the messsage to which 
you replied.


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[kevinr]

Vroomfondel & Majikthise (union reps) were persuaded by Deep Thought 
that they could clean up on the pundit circuit while he, worked on the 
answer to the QUESTION: the question of life, the universe, and 
everything.  Whose answer we all know as 42.


Deep Thought later mentioned the question may have been a little too broad.

   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 04/08/2018 02:37 PM, Fred C. Jensen wrote:

Actually, it is five times seven equals 42, and 42 is the answer, not the 
question. Everyone has forgotten the question.

K6DGW

Kevin Cozens  wrote:

On 2018-04-08 01:29 PM, kevinr wrote:

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase

I'll have to look that up. I haven't heard of the version of HHGTTG.

In addition to the other items mentions, there is also the question "What is
six times nine?".

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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Edward R Cole]

hmmm, well I'm hearing a lot of opinion expressed.

First off, how many of you have acctually built ckts 
for10-GHz+?  (show of hands)  And of you who did, how many worked the 
first time as designed without "tinkering"?  Snow-flaking is a well 
known method of "tweaking" the circuit to get it to work 
optimally.  Snow-flaking is an art!


If you can make one that works, probably involves a little magic;  if 
you can manufacture hundreds that work reliably, that is a master at 
science.  Of course you might argue the latter is "true magic".


Cave man would say all this is magic.  If you are an alien who can 
travel between stars, our stuff is archaic.  Probably hams span that 
range?  Got my hard hat and PPE on, fire away!


73, Ed - KL7UW
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 Preamp 2

[Edward R Cole]

Barry,

Not disagreeing.  I bought my K3, SN4043, in 2010.  It has an 
internal preamp (push PRE) which gives about 10-dB gain (I 
think).   A few years went by and Elecraft announced the PR6 external 
"add-on" preamp to improve 10m and 6m receiver performance.  They 
kind of admitted the bare K3 was lacking gain at those 
frequencies.  That "system" gain minimum is needed to overcome 
following stage NF for best sensitivity (MDS).  I've measured -145dBm 
MDS on 6m with my PR6.  K3 was about -133 dBm without the PR6 on 6m 
(-73 dBm is S9; 9 s-units should be 6x9 = 54 dB; -73dBm-54dB = -129 dBm).


Of course ambient noise will rule how weak a signal can be 
copied.  On lower freq. HF bands thermal sky noise has long been that 
limitation; at 25-MHz Tsky starts to drop as one transitions into 
VHF.  Recent (?) rise in residential/industrial RF noise has affected 
pretty much everyone (I live in a widely dispersed community of 4,000 
in Alaska and noise at 2m has become terrible (S7 over a S3 noise 
floor).  Use of a preamp may become unproductive at some level of 
noise (maybe).


I do 6m eme and use a GasFet preamp at the antenna for minimizing NF 
and it helps enough over just using the PR6 (with internal preamp 
off). I use DIGOUT1 to turn on/off the PR6.  Since it has a nice 
bypass, I use that to connect to my tower-top 6m preamp.  BTW I have 
copied 6m-eme signals just using the PR6.


I don't have a K3s so assuming preamp-2 is equivalent to the PR6-10 
(expanded to 24-MHz).


I actually wonder if there are some arc-welder rock bands?  Or 
dueling Plasma TV's?


I'm heading up north (frequency-wise) to 1296 for a little quiet-time 

73, Ed - KL7UW

Hi, Barry,
It's not the signals that determine whether you need a preamp, it's 
the noise level. A receiver should have enough gain to put its 
internal noise floor below the external, atmospheric noise floor, so 
that it doesn't become the limiting factor in hearing weak signals 
close to the noise. That's what makes a preamp necessary.
Certainly, if your noise floor is lower than here in urban North 
America, there may be cases where a preamp does us no good, but is 
necessary for you.
I think I once posted a case study here a while ago... but I would 
have to go searching for it. The numbers I used were definitely 
US-biased. Life for a ham here has become a really discouraging 
exercise in trying to copy signals below your neighbors' app-enabled 
pet massagers and internet-controlled wine coolers, all fed by those 
infernal switch-mode power supplies. My two neighbors' homes are 
really just enormous square wave-producing things. This is also why 
everybody you hear is running 1,000 watts or more. It's power 
inflation. The military spends millions on radar jamming equipment... 
when all they'd have to do is do whatever my neighbor Johnny is 
doing. He must have a phased array radar, arc-welding, barrage 
jamming plant next door. If you ever bring your rig over here on 
vacation, be sure to pack a 60 dB attenuator with it.

R,
Al W6LX


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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Fred C. Jensen]

Actually, it is five times seven equals 42, and 42 is the answer, not the 
question. Everyone has forgotten the question.

K6DGW

Kevin Cozens  wrote:
>On 2018-04-08 01:29 PM, kevinr wrote:
>> The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase
>I'll have to look that up. I haven't heard of the version of HHGTTG.
>
>In addition to the other items mentions, there is also the question "What is 
>six times nine?".
>
>-- 
>Cheers!
>
>Kevin.
>
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>https://www.patreon.html/KevinCozens | distract the mouth-breathers, and
>  | that's why we're powerful"
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Re: [Elecraft] Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Fred C. Jensen]

Not too shabby for a trilogy.

K6DGW

kevinr  wrote:
>The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase is currently being 
>broadcast directly from the BBC.  Only one episode left to find out what 
>happens to Arthur Dent, Ford Prefect, Trillian, and her daughter 
>Random.  As for Zaphod?  Well, he's just this guy, you know.
>
>https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03v379k/episodes/guide
>
>The first radio show came out in the late 70s.  Now, xx years later, we 
>are on part 6.
>
>    73,
>
>    Kevin.  KD5ONS
>
>
>On 04/08/2018 07:09 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> Rats, wish I had thought of that!  Maybe the next book . . .
>>
>>
>> 
>> From: kevino z 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:36 AM
>> To: Joan
>> Cc: Cady, Fred; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X
>>
>> Yeah, but my copy didn’t have DON’T PANIC written in large, friendly 
>> letters
>> 73 DE KK4YEL
>>
>> No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number 
>> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
>>
>>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 02:27, Joan  wrote:
>>>
>>> Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’ 
>>> Guide to the Elecraft KX2.
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>> ^_^ Joan
>>>
>>> FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . .
>>>
>>> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
>>> Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.
>>>
 On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred  wrote:

 What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s 
 manuals?
 Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
 operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
 manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls 
 and features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I 
 found during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that 
 people learn.  Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and 
 images, some can gain comprehension just be reading.  Others are more 
 hands-on learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their 
 understanding of the concepts.  I’m a visual and hands-on learner.  When I 
 first got my K3 I had trouble understanding how the sub receiver worked 
 and what the different antenna switching options were.  So I drew it out 
 in a diagram and that made it much more clear to me.  If that helped me, 
 wouldn’t it help others?  So the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The 
 original title was to be “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got 
 talked out of that!)
 The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support 
 for the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, 
 many diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub 
 receiver alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all 
 radio operations and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various 
 controls for the receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have 
 a “lab exercise” that you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you 
 understand the concept.
 The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the 
 pdf versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
 https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ke7x.com=02%7C01%7C%7C9f89f0d9820449cbbfc208d59d19deae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636587656789761289=Vm0EbZlIY7l%2BlaYsff7q5hyZ%2BQ1UTYUiOAiME5fDIqk%3D=0
  has more information on all 12 current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of 
 contents and ordering information.


 73,

 Fred

 
 From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  
 on behalf of Mike Markowski 
 Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
 Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

 Fred and all,

 Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
 I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
 direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
 what you've added?

 Tnx es 73!
 Mike ab3ap

> On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> Hi Neil
>
> No never did a K2 book.
>
> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>
> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through 

Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[EricJ]

It doesn't seem to be well-known but many pdf documents are searchable. 
That's the case with this one. I have a bound and severely dog-earred 
Second Edition, but this pdf is going to make it even more useful. 
Ctrl-F brings up the search box like it always does. Enter text (not 
text in illustrations) and it finds it almost instantly.


Eric KE6US
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[David Gilbert]

I don't know why people say stuff like that.  Just because some 
variables become more important at RF than they did at lower frequencies 
doesn't turn design into art or magic.


Dave AB7E



On 4/8/2018 11:45 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote:

On 2018-04-08 3:42 PM, mike.ab...@gmail.com wrote:

It would be a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though.


Easier? Perhaps. Depends in part on the frequencies involved. As the 
frequency goes up it RF design becomes part science and part art, or 
some might say black magic.




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Re: [Elecraft] KX2 go-box

[Tim McDonough N9PUZ]

He does beautiful work. I don't have any desire to make my KX2 larger 
but some of the things he does give me a few ideas on how I might make a 
sleaker looking home for the KX2 when it's at home on my desk lashed up 
to the KXPA100, key, speakers, etc.


Tim N9PUZ

On 4/7/2018 4:02 PM, John Harper wrote:

I thought some here might appreciate the craftsmanship that goes into Hans'
W1JSB latest creation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3=1mmoDzQYhms

73,

John AE5X
https://ae5x.blogspot.com
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Jim Brown]

On 4/8/2018 11:45 AM, Kevin Cozens wrote:
As the frequency goes up it RF design becomes part science and part 
art, or some might say black magic.


A better way of thinking about it is that as frequency goes up, stray 
(parasitic) elements of components become increasingly significant (that 
is, L and C in a resistor, R and L in a capacitor, R and C in an 
inductor), wiring (including traces on a single layer circuit board) 
first become inductors, then antennas, and their capacitance to other 
circuit elements and their inductive coupling to other wiring becomes 
significant, and traces above a "ground layer" on a circuit board become 
transmission lines. And the TIME it takes for signals to move along 
wires and lines becomes significant. The dielectric properties of 
circuit board become significant. The spacing between circuit traces 
becomes significant.


In other words, all of the things that can often be ignored at lower 
frequencies must be considered at higher frequencies. That's not "art," 
it's not "black magic," its pure science.


73, Jim K9YC



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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-04-08 3:42 PM, mike.ab...@gmail.com wrote:

It would be a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though.


Easier? Perhaps. Depends in part on the frequencies involved. As the 
frequency goes up it RF design becomes part science and part art, or some 
might say black magic.


--
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Don Sanders]

Thanks for the like for the free 2nd edition.

I know many regard math as difficult, but a book I used when teaching at
Valparaiso Tech Institute was "Basic Math for Electronics by Nelson M.
Cooke.

It taught math by using many electronics formulas and therefore was
invaluable to help students learn electronics and basic math.
I believe the latest is the 7th edition. But I used the first edition.

I will have to look for a free download.

Dr. Don W4BWS




On Sun, Apr 8, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Mike Markowski 
wrote:

> Chuck and all,
>
> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style
> of learning.  I really like math but also need concrete examples.  I like
> their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to
> shortcomings, to how to improve, etc.  Very methodical rather than jumping
> straight into the best solution without knowing where the model came from.
>
> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything -
> to be iterative.  I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand
> some.  As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little
> better.  And so on.  At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who
> skated through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade
> away!  Better late than never.  :-)
>
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
>
> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>
>> That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard
>> and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned
>> the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an
>> application.
>> Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math
>> the semester before in an EE course.
>> Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a
>> great source of ideas and understanding.
>> Chuck
>> KE9UW
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>
>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:
>>>
>>> Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding
>>> now.
>>>
>>> It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics
>>> challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties
>>> of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle.
>>> Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it
>>> from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>>>
>>> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as
>>> orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!
>>>
>>> 73,
>>> Mike ab3ap
>>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-04-08 01:42 PM, donov...@starpower.net wrote:

The free Second Edition pdf is quite dated (1980), but work every penny of the 
price!


Thanks for the information. I have the 3rd edition sitting on a bookshelf. 
I'll add the second edition to my eReader.


For those reading AoF and want additional hands-on work to complement it the 
companion book is "Learning the Art of Electronics: A Hands-On Lab Course" 
and is available on Amazon at:

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/0521177235/

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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[kq8m]

They are working on the next edition, the X edition, which is referenced 
throughout the 3rd edition. It is supposed to be released this year but no date 
yet. I gather it is supposed to be much more in depth.

73
Tim, KQ8M
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Hi Robie, 


The free Second Edition pdf is quite dated (1980), but work every penny of the 
price! 


73
Frank
W3LPL 

- Original Message -

From: "Robie Elms" 
To: donov...@starpower.net
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:46:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 

Thanks for all the feedback. I’ll look at the pdf 2nd version first! 

Robie 

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:13, donov...@starpower.net wrote: 
> 
> 
> The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for 
> $56.50 with free shipping at: 
> 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_ol
> p_sr?ie=UTF8=used==
> 
> 
> The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at: 
> 
> 
> https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEditio
> n/the-art-of-electronics.pdf
> 
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Mike Markowski" 
> To: "Robie Elms" 
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics
> 
> Robie,
> 
> I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
> Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
> and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would 
> be a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though.
> 
> Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But 
> if you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio 
> Frequency Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of 
> Elec.
> 
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
> 
>> On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: 
>> Which edition is the most useful for hams? 
>> 
>> Robie AJ4F
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski 
>>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Chuck and all,
>>> 
>>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my 
>>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete 
>>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach 
>>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very 
>>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution 
>>> without knowing where the model came from.
>>> 
>>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning 
>>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE and 
>>> understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other 
>>> a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to compete with 
>>> those kids who skated through university effortlessly...as 
>>> retirement is only a decade away! Better late than never. :-)
>>> 
>>> 73, Mike ab3ap
>>> 
 On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a great 
 book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and 
 Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I 
 learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a 
 plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking the 
 math course after I learned the math the semester before in an EE 
 course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and 
 it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck KE9UW
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Robie Elms]

Frank,

I’m a bit dated as well, so likely a good fit!

Robie

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 12:42, donov...@starpower.net wrote:
> 
> Hi Robie,
> 
> The free Second Edition pdf is quite dated (1980), but work every penny of 
> the price!
> 
> 73
> Frank
> W3LPL
> 
> From: "Robie Elms" 
> To: donov...@starpower.net
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:46:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics
> 
> Thanks for all the feedback.  I’ll look at the pdf 2nd version first!
> 
> Robie
> 
> > On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:13, donov...@starpower.net wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for 
> > $56.50 with free shipping at: 
> > 
> > 
> > https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8=used==
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at: 
> > 
> > 
> > https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEdition/the-art-of-electronics.pdf
> >  
> > 
> > 
> > 73 
> > Frank 
> > W3LPL 
> > 
> > - Original Message -
> > 
> > From: "Mike Markowski"  
> > To: "Robie Elms"  
> > Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM 
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 
> > 
> > Robie, 
> > 
> > I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
> > Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
> > and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be 
> > a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though. 
> > 
> > Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if 
> > you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency 
> > Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec. 
> > 
> > 73, 
> > Mike ab3ap 
> > 
> >> On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: 
> >> Which edition is the most useful for hams? 
> >> 
> >> Robie AJ4F 
> >> 
> >>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  
> >>> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> Chuck and all, 
> >>> 
> >>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my 
> >>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete 
> >>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach 
> >>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very 
> >>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution 
> >>> without knowing where the model came from. 
> >>> 
> >>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning 
> >>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE 
> >>> and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the 
> >>> other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to 
> >>> compete with those kids who skated through university 
> >>> effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late 
> >>> than never. :-) 
> >>> 
> >>> 73, Mike ab3ap 
> >>> 
>  On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a 
>  great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
>  and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I 
>  learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a 
>  plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking 
>  the math course after I learned the math the semester before in 
>  an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the 
>  job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck 
>  KE9UW 
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Kevin Cozens]

On 2018-04-08 01:29 PM, kevinr wrote:

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase

I'll have to look that up. I haven't heard of the version of HHGTTG.

In addition to the other items mentions, there is also the question "What is 
six times nine?".


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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[donovanf]

Hi Robie, 


The free Second Edition pdf is quite dated (1980), but work every penny of the 
price! 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

- Original Message -

From: "Robie Elms"  
To: donov...@starpower.net 
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 4:46:13 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 

Thanks for all the feedback. I’ll look at the pdf 2nd version first! 

Robie 

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:13, donov...@starpower.net wrote: 
> 
> 
> The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for 
> $56.50 with free shipping at: 
> 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8=used==
>  
> 
> 
> The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at: 
> 
> 
> https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEdition/the-art-of-electronics.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> - Original Message - 
> 
> From: "Mike Markowski"  
> To: "Robie Elms"  
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 
> 
> Robie, 
> 
> I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
> Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
> and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be 
> a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though. 
> 
> Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if 
> you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency 
> Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec. 
> 
> 73, 
> Mike ab3ap 
> 
>> On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: 
>> Which edition is the most useful for hams? 
>> 
>> Robie AJ4F 
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  
>>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Chuck and all, 
>>> 
>>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my 
>>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete 
>>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach 
>>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very 
>>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution 
>>> without knowing where the model came from. 
>>> 
>>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning 
>>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE 
>>> and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the 
>>> other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to 
>>> compete with those kids who skated through university 
>>> effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late 
>>> than never. :-) 
>>> 
>>> 73, Mike ab3ap 
>>> 
 On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a 
 great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
 and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I 
 learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a 
 plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking 
 the math course after I learned the math the semester before in 
 an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the 
 job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck 
 KE9UW 
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[G4GNX]

42

73,

Alan. G4GNX

-Original Message- 
From: Mike Flowers 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 6:33 PM 
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X 


And don't forget your towel ...

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC 


-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of kevinr
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
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The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase is currently being
broadcast directly from the BBC.  Only one episode left to find out what

happens

to Arthur Dent, Ford Prefect, Trillian, and her daughter Random.  As for
Zaphod?  Well, he's just this guy, you know.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03v379k/episodes/guide

The first radio show came out in the late 70s.  Now, xx years later, we

are on

part 6.

73,

Kevin.  KD5ONS


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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Mike Flowers]

And don't forget your towel ...

- 73 and good DX de Mike, K6MKF, Past President - NCDXC 

> -Original Message-
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> On Behalf Of kevinr
> Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2018 10:30 AM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X
> 
> The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase is currently being
> broadcast directly from the BBC.  Only one episode left to find out what
happens
> to Arthur Dent, Ford Prefect, Trillian, and her daughter Random.  As for
> Zaphod?  Well, he's just this guy, you know.
> 
> https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03v379k/episodes/guide
> 
> The first radio show came out in the late 70s.  Now, xx years later, we
are on
> part 6.
> 
>     73,
> 
>     Kevin.  KD5ONS
> 
> 
> On 04/08/2018 07:09 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
> > Rats, wish I had thought of that!  Maybe the next book . . .
> >
> >
> > 
> > From: kevino z 
> > Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:36 AM
> > To: Joan
> > Cc: Cady, Fred; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X
> >
> > Yeah, but my copy didn’t have DON’T PANIC written in large, friendly
letters
> > 73 DE KK4YEL
> >
> > No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large
number
> of electrons were terribly inconvenienced !
> >
> >> On Apr 8, 2018, at 02:27, Joan  wrote:
> >>
> >> Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’
Guide
> to the Elecraft KX2.
> >>
> >> Thank you!
> >> ^_^ Joan
> >>
> >> FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . .
> >>
> >> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
> >> Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.
> >>
> >>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s
> manuals?
> >>> Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information
needed to
> operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s
manuals
> are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and
features of
> the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found during my 40+
years
> as an EE prof that there are various ways that people learn.  Some are
visual
> learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain
comprehension
> just be reading.  Others are more hands-on learners, needing the “lab
> experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts.  I’m a visual
and
> hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had trouble understanding how
the
> sub receiver worked and what the different antenna switching options were.
So I
> drew it out in a diagram and that made it much more clear to me.  If that
helped
> me, wouldn’t it help others?  So the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The
original
> title was to be “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked out of
that!)
> >>> The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is
support
> for the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many,
many
> diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver
alone.
> There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio operations
and in-
> depth explanations of topics such as the various controls for the
receiver’s AGC.
> And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab exercise” that you can do
sitting at
> your radio to make sure you understand the concept.
> >>> The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course,
the pdf
> versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
> >>>
> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ke7x.com=02
> %7C01%7C%7C9f89f0d9820449cbbfc208d59d19deae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435
> %7C1%7C0%7C636587656789761289=Vm0EbZlIY7l%2BlaY
> sff7q5hyZ%2BQ1UTYUiOAiME5fDIqk%3D=0 rotection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ke7x.com=02%7C01%7
> C%7C9f89f0d9820449cbbfc208d59d19deae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435
> %7C1%7C0%7C636587656789761289=ZyBT4gyj%2FeHpFIVe6jzaHkb
> vmMz6QiLfpJq8%2FC8CXiQ%3D=0> has more information on all 12
> current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of contents and ordering
information.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 73,
> >>>
> >>> Fred
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net
> >>>  on behalf of Mike Markowski
> >>> 
> >>> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
> >>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> >>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals
> >>>
> >>> Fred and all,
> >>>
> >>> Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft
manuals?
> >>> I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
> >>> direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me
> >>> wonder what you've added?
> >>>
> >>> Tnx es 73!
> >>> 

Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[kevinr]

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy Hexagonal Phase is currently being 
broadcast directly from the BBC.  Only one episode left to find out what 
happens to Arthur Dent, Ford Prefect, Trillian, and her daughter 
Random.  As for Zaphod?  Well, he's just this guy, you know.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03v379k/episodes/guide

The first radio show came out in the late 70s.  Now, xx years later, we 
are on part 6.


   73,

   Kevin.  KD5ONS


On 04/08/2018 07:09 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:

Rats, wish I had thought of that!  Maybe the next book . . .



From: kevino z 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:36 AM
To: Joan
Cc: Cady, Fred; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

Yeah, but my copy didn’t have DON’T PANIC written in large, friendly letters
73 DE KK4YEL

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of 
electrons were terribly inconvenienced !


On Apr 8, 2018, at 02:27, Joan  wrote:

Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’ Guide 
to the Elecraft KX2.

Thank you!
^_^ Joan

FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . .

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.


On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred  wrote:

What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s manuals?
Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and 
features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found during 
my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people learn.  Some 
are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain 
comprehension just be reading.  Others are more hands-on learners, needing the 
“lab experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts.  I’m a visual 
and hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had trouble understanding how 
the sub receiver worked and what the different antenna switching options were.  
So I drew it out in a diagram and that made it much more clear to me.  If that 
helped me, wouldn’t it help others?  So the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The 
original title was to be “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked 
out of that!)
The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support for 
the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, many 
diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver 
alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio operations 
and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls for the 
receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab exercise” that 
you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand the concept.
The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf 
versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ke7x.com=02%7C01%7C%7C9f89f0d9820449cbbfc208d59d19deae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636587656789761289=Vm0EbZlIY7l%2BlaYsff7q5hyZ%2BQ1UTYUiOAiME5fDIqk%3D=0
 has more information on all 12 current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of contents and ordering information.


73,

Fred


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on behalf 
of Mike Markowski 
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
what you've added?

Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap


On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
Hi Neil

No never did a K2 book.

Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.

The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
Sorry about that too.

Fred KE7X

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[Elecraft] K3: Low output on USB

[Marcel Jorba via Elecraft]

Hi all

 

On CW theK3 has full output

On LSB ithas also full output

But when inUSB, it has low output power

Thishappens on every band

 

Any idea?

Thanks in advance
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Robie Elms]

Thanks for all the feedback.  I’ll look at the pdf 2nd version first!

Robie

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 11:13, donov...@starpower.net wrote:
> 
> 
> The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for 
> $56.50 with free shipping at: 
> 
> 
> https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8=used==
>  
> 
> 
> The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at: 
> 
> 
> https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEdition/the-art-of-electronics.pdf
>  
> 
> 
> 73 
> Frank 
> W3LPL 
> 
> - Original Message -
> 
> From: "Mike Markowski"  
> To: "Robie Elms"  
> Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
> Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM 
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 
> 
> Robie, 
> 
> I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
> Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
> and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be 
> a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though. 
> 
> Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if 
> you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency 
> Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec. 
> 
> 73, 
> Mike ab3ap 
> 
>> On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: 
>> Which edition is the most useful for hams? 
>> 
>> Robie AJ4F 
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  
>>> wrote: 
>>> 
>>> Chuck and all, 
>>> 
>>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my 
>>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete 
>>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach 
>>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very 
>>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution 
>>> without knowing where the model came from. 
>>> 
>>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning 
>>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE 
>>> and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the 
>>> other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to 
>>> compete with those kids who skated through university 
>>> effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late 
>>> than never. :-) 
>>> 
>>> 73, Mike ab3ap 
>>> 
 On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a 
 great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
 and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I 
 learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a 
 plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking 
 the math course after I learned the math the semester before in 
 an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the 
 job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck 
 KE9UW 
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[donovanf]

The current Third Edition is available in used but like new condition for 
$56.50 with free shipping at: 


https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0521809266/ref=tmm_hrd_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8=used==
 


The Second Edition is available for free as a pdf at: 


https://ia801605.us.archive.org/14/items/TheArtOfElectronics-2ndEdition/the-art-of-electronics.pdf
 


73 
Frank 
W3LPL 

- Original Message -

From: "Mike Markowski"  
To: "Robie Elms"  
Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 3:42:39 PM 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics 

Robie, 

I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
Maybe others know better? The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection. It would be 
a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though. 

Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books. But if 
you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency 
Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec. 

73, 
Mike ab3ap 

On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote: 
> Which edition is the most useful for hams? 
> 
> Robie AJ4F 
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  
>> wrote: 
>> 
>> Chuck and all, 
>> 
>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my 
>> style of learning. I really like math but also need concrete 
>> examples. I like their approach of "here's how we might approach 
>> this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc. Very 
>> methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution 
>> without knowing where the model came from. 
>> 
>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning 
>> anything - to be iterative. I'd take the math class, then the EE 
>> and understand some. As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the 
>> other a little better. And so on. At long last, I'm ready to 
>> compete with those kids who skated through university 
>> effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away! Better late 
>> than never. :-) 
>> 
>> 73, Mike ab3ap 
>> 
>>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a 
>>> great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
>>> and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I 
>>> learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a 
>>> plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking 
>>> the math course after I learned the math the semester before in 
>>> an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the 
>>> job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck 
>>> KE9UW 
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Phil Hystad]

I own the second edition and I also own the student manual that goes along with 
the book.

To judge the usefulness of this book, it is good to learn why it exists.  As 
you read in the preface to the first edition, the book grew out of notes from a 
course at Harvard University on "laboratory electronics".  This type of course 
is similar to other courses at other universities and the important thing to 
note is that the target student is NOT an E.E. major.  In fact, the preface 
states that the book is designed to be used by students that do not have 
previous electronics knowledge or experience.  But, these were Harvard students 
so I grant those students' capabilities as better than average.

My undergraduate degree is Physics and back in the 1960s, my physics curriculum 
included a similar course study.  This was all about using lab equipment but 
also making the necessary little electronic gadgets that were important to work 
in a physics research laboratory.  When I took my course, the book "The Art of 
Electronics" did not exist and we never had a text book in our course.

I wanted more though so I also signed up for the EE department's equivalent 
course which started with FET transistors which was the new thing at the time 
and quickly went into digital electronics and digital logic circuits.  I never 
learned about building audio or RF circuits in my physics oriented electronics 
course nor in the EE course.  Importance was given to digital and computer 
circuits (~1967).  The book "The Art ..." is similar, its main focus is 
primarily in using electronics to interface with equipment, digital/analog, 
digital/digital, and so on with just a sprinkle, in comparison, for RF.

73, phil, K7PEH  



> On Apr 8, 2018, at 8:45 AM, Frank O'Donnell  wrote:
> 
> Hi all, new ham/KX3 owner/list member here.
> 
> When this question came up in another forum, one member advised: "The second 
> edition has circuit ideas and examples, where the third edition replaced it 
> with chapter review exercises (more like an academic textbook). I have no 
> interest in the homework assignments, and feel a lot of value was lost from 
> this. Yes, there are minor updates like micro-controllers, but there are 
> better resources for that. If I had to pick only one, I'd keep my 2nd Ed."
> 
> Based on that, I recently bought a (used) copy of the second edition.
> 
> Frank K6FOD
> 
> 
> On 4/8/18 8:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote:
>> Which edition is the most useful for hams?
>> 
>> Robie AJ4F
>> 
>>> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Chuck and all,
>>> 
>>> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style of 
>>> learning.  I really like math but also need concrete examples.  I like 
>>> their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to 
>>> shortcomings, to how to improve, etc.  Very methodical rather than jumping 
>>> straight into the best solution without knowing where the model came from.
>>> 
>>> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - to 
>>> be iterative.  I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand some.  
>>> As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little better.  And 
>>> so on.  At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who skated 
>>> through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away!  
>>> Better late than never.  :-)
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Mike ab3ap
>>> 
 On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
 That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
 and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned 
 the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an 
 application.
 Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math 
 the semester before in an EE course.
 Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great 
 source of ideas and understanding.
 Chuck
 KE9UW
 Sent from my iPhone, cjack
> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:
> 
> Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding 
> now.
> 
> It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
> challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties 
> of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or 
> mini-miracle.  Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which 
> approached it from a different angle and things clicked much more 
> naturally for me.
> 
> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
> orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!
> 
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Frank O'Donnell]

Hi all, new ham/KX3 owner/list member here.

When this question came up in another forum, one member advised: "The 
second edition has circuit ideas and examples, where the third edition 
replaced it with chapter review exercises (more like an academic 
textbook). I have no interest in the homework assignments, and feel a 
lot of value was lost from this. Yes, there are minor updates like 
micro-controllers, but there are better resources for that. If I had to 
pick only one, I'd keep my 2nd Ed."


Based on that, I recently bought a (used) copy of the second edition.

Frank K6FOD


On 4/8/18 8:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote:

Which edition is the most useful for hams?

Robie AJ4F


On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  wrote:

Chuck and all,

It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style of learning.  I 
really like math but also need concrete examples.  I like their approach of "here's 
how we might approach this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc.  Very 
methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution without knowing where the 
model came from.

In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - to be 
iterative.  I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand some.  As more 
math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little better.  And so on.  At 
long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who skated through university 
effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away!  Better late than never.  
:-)

73,
Mike ab3ap


On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and 
Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, 
though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the 
semester before in an EE course.
Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great 
source of ideas and understanding.
Chuck
KE9UW
Sent from my iPhone, cjack

On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:

Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding now.

It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of 
this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle.  Then I 
discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a 
different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.

I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!

73,
Mike ab3ap

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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Mike Markowski]

Robie,

I don't have all editions to compare, but think newest is usually best. 
Maybe others know better?  The book is an intro, though very detailed!, 
and doesn't cover much in the way of RF to my recollection.  It would be 
a foundation that makes RF design easy to follow, though.


Others might have better recommendations for ham-specific books.  But if 
you leaf through something like ARRL's "Introduction to Radio Frequency 
Design," you'll probably get more from it after a book like Art of Elec.


73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/08/2018 11:28 AM, Robie Elms wrote:

Which edition is the most useful for hams?

Robie AJ4F


On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski 
wrote:

Chuck and all,

It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my
style of learning.  I really like math but also need concrete
examples.  I like their approach of "here's how we might approach
this," leading to shortcomings, to how to improve, etc.  Very
methodical rather than jumping straight into the best solution
without knowing where the model came from.

In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning
anything - to be iterative.  I'd take the math class, then the EE
and understand some.  As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the
other a little better.  And so on.  At long last, I'm ready to
compete with those kids who skated through university
effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away!  Better late
than never.  :-)

73, Mike ab3ap


On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: That’s a
great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard
and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I
learned the math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a
plus. Math with an application. Seemed like I was always taking
the math course after I learned the math the semester before in
an EE course. Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the
job and it was a great source of ideas and understanding. Chuck 
KE9UW

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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Robie Elms]

Which edition is the most useful for hams?

Robie AJ4F 

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 10:14, Mike Markowski  wrote:
> 
> Chuck and all,
> 
> It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style of 
> learning.  I really like math but also need concrete examples.  I like their 
> approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to shortcomings, to 
> how to improve, etc.  Very methodical rather than jumping straight into the 
> best solution without knowing where the model came from.
> 
> In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - to 
> be iterative.  I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand some.  As 
> more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little better.  And so on. 
>  At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids who skated through 
> university effortlessly...as retirement is only a decade away!  Better late 
> than never.  :-)
> 
> 73,
> Mike ab3ap
> 
>> On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:
>> That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard 
>> and Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the 
>> math, though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an 
>> application.
>> Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the 
>> semester before in an EE course.
>> Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great 
>> source of ideas and understanding.
>> Chuck
>> KE9UW
>> Sent from my iPhone, cjack
>>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding now.
>>> 
>>> It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
>>> challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties 
>>> of this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle.  
>>> Then I discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it 
>>> from a different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.
>>> 
>>> I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
>>> orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!
>>> 
>>> 73,
>>> Mike ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Art of Electronics

[Mike Markowski]

Chuck and all,

It really is a great book, the best I've found on the topic for my style 
of learning.  I really like math but also need concrete examples.  I 
like their approach of "here's how we might approach this," leading to 
shortcomings, to how to improve, etc.  Very methodical rather than 
jumping straight into the best solution without knowing where the model 
came from.


In general, I find electronics learning - or really, learning anything - 
to be iterative.  I'd take the math class, then the EE and understand 
some.  As more math or EE clicked I'd understand the other a little 
better.  And so on.  At long last, I'm ready to compete with those kids 
who skated through university effortlessly...as retirement is only a 
decade away!  Better late than never.  :-)


73,
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 07:17 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote:

That’s a great book, “The Art of Electronics”. Horowitz and Hill, Harvard and 
Rowland institute for Science. Interesting about the math. I learned the math, 
though, in EE courses and found that to be a plus. Math with an application.
Seemed like I was always taking the math course after I learned the math the 
semester before in an EE course.
Anyway, I bought the book when I was already on the job and it was a great 
source of ideas and understanding.
Chuck
KE9UW

Sent from my iPhone, cjack


On Apr 7, 2018, at 3:35 PM, Mike Markowski  wrote:

Many thanks to everyone who responded!  I have a clearer understanding now.

It reminds me of my own EE student days.  I found learning electronics 
challenging because our texts started with math and the useful properties of 
this or that circuit kind of fell out as a side effect or mini-miracle.  Then I 
discovered the text 'The Art of Electronics' which approached it from a 
different angle and things clicked much more naturally for me.

I like Skip K6DGW's description of the two approaches to Elecraft as 
orthogonal.  So I think I get it.  Thanks, all!

73,
Mike ab3ap

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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Cady, Fred]

Rats, wish I had thought of that!  Maybe the next book . . .



From: kevino z 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 7:36 AM
To: Joan
Cc: Cady, Fred; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

Yeah, but my copy didn’t have DON’T PANIC written in large, friendly letters
73 DE KK4YEL

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> On Apr 8, 2018, at 02:27, Joan  wrote:
>
> Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’ Guide 
> to the Elecraft KX2.
>
> Thank you!
> ^_^ Joan
>
> FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . .
>
> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
> Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.
>
>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred  wrote:
>>
>> What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s 
>> manuals?
>> Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
>> operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
>> manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and 
>> features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found 
>> during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people 
>> learn.  Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, 
>> some can gain comprehension just be reading.  Others are more hands-on 
>> learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their understanding of the 
>> concepts.  I’m a visual and hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had 
>> trouble understanding how the sub receiver worked and what the different 
>> antenna switching options were.  So I drew it out in a diagram and that made 
>> it much more clear to me.  If that helped me, wouldn’t it help others?  So 
>> the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The original title was to be “The 
>> Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked out of that!)
>> The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support 
>> for the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, many 
>> diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver 
>> alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio 
>> operations and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls 
>> for the receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab 
>> exercise” that you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand 
>> the concept.
>> The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf 
>> versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ke7x.com=02%7C01%7C%7C9f89f0d9820449cbbfc208d59d19deae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636587656789761289=Vm0EbZlIY7l%2BlaYsff7q5hyZ%2BQ1UTYUiOAiME5fDIqk%3D=0
>>  has more information on all 12 current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of 
>> contents and ordering information.
>>
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> Fred
>>
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
>> behalf of Mike Markowski 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals
>>
>> Fred and all,
>>
>> Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
>> I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
>> direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
>> what you've added?
>>
>> Tnx es 73!
>> Mike ab3ap
>>
>>> On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> Hi Neil
>>>
>>> No never did a K2 book.
>>>
>>> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>>>
>>> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
>>> Sorry about that too.
>>>
>>> Fred KE7X
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[kevino z]

Yeah, but my copy didn’t have DON’T PANIC written in large, friendly letters
73 DE KK4YEL

No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of 
electrons were terribly inconvenienced !

> On Apr 8, 2018, at 02:27, Joan  wrote:
> 
> Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’ Guide 
> to the Elecraft KX2.
> 
> Thank you!
> ^_^ Joan
> 
> FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . . 
> 
> Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
> Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.
> 
>> On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred  wrote:
>> 
>> What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s 
>> manuals?
>> Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
>> operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
>> manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and 
>> features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found 
>> during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people 
>> learn.  Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, 
>> some can gain comprehension just be reading.  Others are more hands-on 
>> learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their understanding of the 
>> concepts.  I’m a visual and hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had 
>> trouble understanding how the sub receiver worked and what the different 
>> antenna switching options were.  So I drew it out in a diagram and that made 
>> it much more clear to me.  If that helped me, wouldn’t it help others?  So 
>> the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The original title was to be “The 
>> Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked out of that!)
>> The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support 
>> for the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, many 
>> diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver 
>> alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio 
>> operations and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls 
>> for the receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab 
>> exercise” that you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand 
>> the concept.
>> The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf 
>> versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
>> https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.ke7x.com=02%7C01%7C%7C9f89f0d9820449cbbfc208d59d19deae%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636587656789761289=Vm0EbZlIY7l%2BlaYsff7q5hyZ%2BQ1UTYUiOAiME5fDIqk%3D=0
>>  has more information on all 12 current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of 
>> contents and ordering information.
>> 
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>> Fred
>> 
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
>> behalf of Mike Markowski 
>> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
>> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals
>> 
>> Fred and all,
>> 
>> Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
>> I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
>> direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
>> what you've added?
>> 
>> Tnx es 73!
>> Mike ab3ap
>> 
>>> On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>>> Hi Neil
>>> 
>>> No never did a K2 book.
>>> 
>>> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>>> 
>>> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
>>> Sorry about that too.
>>> 
>>> Fred KE7X
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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Cady, Fred]

Yea, another Douglas Adams fan.



From: Joan 
Sent: Sunday, April 8, 2018 12:26 AM
To: Cady, Fred
Cc: Mike Markowski; elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’ Guide 
to the Elecraft KX2.

Thank you!
^_^ Joan

FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . .

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.

On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred 
> wrote:

What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s manuals?
Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and 
features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found during 
my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people learn.  Some 
are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, some can gain 
comprehension just be reading.  Others are more hands-on learners, needing the 
“lab experience” to cement their understanding of the concepts.  I’m a visual 
and hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had trouble understanding how 
the sub receiver worked and what the different antenna switching options were.  
So I drew it out in a diagram and that made it much more clear to me.  If that 
helped me, wouldn’t it help others?  So the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The 
original title was to be “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked 
out of that!)
The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support for 
the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, many 
diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver 
alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio operations 
and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls for the 
receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab exercise” that 
you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand the concept.
The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf 
versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
www.ke7x.com has more information on 
all 12 current KE7X Elecraft books with tables of contents and ordering 
information.


73,

Fred


From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
> on 
behalf of Mike Markowski >
Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals

Fred and all,

Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
 I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
what you've added?

Tnx es 73!
Mike ab3ap

On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
Hi Neil

No never did a K2 book.

Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.

The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
Sorry about that too.

Fred KE7X
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Re: [Elecraft] OE3HKL's Measurements

[Igor Sokolov]

Eric, thank you for your concise explanation.

It is all clear now. According to his measurements his RX is the best 
with and without preselector.


K3 comes the second best.

Preselector adds 12-13db of improved performance to K3.  The strongest 
impact by preselector is for IC7300 - the radio that have no roofing 
filter because of it's architecture.


73, Igor UA9CDC


07.04.2018 23:33, Erik Basilier пишет:

Igor, are you saying that you could not view the numbers at his website? If 
anyone has difficulty getting to the numbers, let me know and I can repeat them 
here, but for now I will just refer you to the website again.
Here is a short url for that page:
https://tinyurl.com/ycn9kbss
Scroll down to the first handwritten table. The left-hand column lists the different radios tested. 3 columns to the 
right shows test results for different pulse frequencies. Presumably, a higher pulse frequency means the interference 
spectrum is more spread out around the wanted signal. However, this is not quantified or described in detail. Remember, 
results of this test method are strongly dependent on the design of the pulse generator etc, so the if someone would 
like to duplicate or compare to his numbers, they would have to duplicate his exact equipment, or come up with a new 
similar test setup that could be regarded as a standard. For each radio, there are two rows of results (for each pulse 
frequency). The first row represents the radio without preselector (but modified to add a roofing filter, except in the 
case of the IC-7300). The second row represents the same radio with the addition of the preselector, which is his 
personal design, also described at the website. If I am not mistaken, the preselector is entirely passive. All the 
result numbers are negative dBm values. This means that a smaller negative number represents a stronger interference 
signal that is in some sense tolerated. E.g. -20dBm is a great result, but -50dBm is a poor result. None of the numeric 
results can be translated into, or compared with, numbers published by Sherwood or the ARRL. However, he makes a pretty 
good case that his measurement method might be "better" than those conventional measurements in representing 
the performance characteristics that are relevant in practical ham use under heavy interference from close-in strong 
signals. For the ARRL or Sherwood to adopt his approach they would likely have to invest in additional test equipment 
including custom-built items, and justify a standard method of doing this kind of testing, so I am not holding my 
breath. The inclusion of the IC-7300 shows that the website content is not very old, but other than the K3 he has not 
included any of the several radios on the market today that incorporate roofing filters as a standard part of the 
design. Perhaps we could hope that some kind hams in Europe would lend him additional radios for testing with his 
unique test equipment. As to his own conclusions, they should be covered by the text I already translated. Are any of 
his statements (as translated) unclear? Remember, no real world radio has a "true" performance level even in 
principle. Every time we look at performance numbers, they reflect imperfect concepts developed in our small human 
minds, whether they are considered "standard" or not. A concept such as "better" is usually not an 
objective way of describing things.

73,
Erik K7TV

-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  On 
Behalf Of Igor Sokolov
Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2018 6:49 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] OE3HKL's Measurements

Eric,

Can you possible give a summary of the results of his measurements and 
conclusions he has made?

73, Igor UA9CDC








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Re: [Elecraft] Fred's HHG vs Elecraft manuals de KE7X

[Joan]

Fred, I’ve just appended my copy of your book to read: The Hitchhikers’ Guide 
to the Elecraft KX2.

Thank you!
^_^ Joan

FB es 73 =  KE7X de KX2CW  kn   . . 

Darmok and Jalad at Tanagra, said Piglet.
Shaka, when the walls fell, said Pooh.

> On Apr 7, 2018, at 12:05, Cady, Fred  wrote:
> 
> What makes the KE7X Elecraft book different than the Elecraft owner’s manuals?
> Let’s start by saying the KE7X books do not have any information needed to 
> operate the radios that is not in the Elecraft Owner’s manuals.  Owner’s 
> manuals are by design succinct and concise descriptions of the controls and 
> features of the radio.  Elecraft manuals are very well done but I found 
> during my 40+ years as an EE prof that there are various ways that people 
> learn.  Some are visual learners and learn by seeing diagrams and images, 
> some can gain comprehension just be reading.  Others are more hands-on 
> learners, needing the “lab experience” to cement their understanding of the 
> concepts.  I’m a visual and hands-on learner.  When I first got my K3 I had 
> trouble understanding how the sub receiver worked and what the different 
> antenna switching options were.  So I drew it out in a diagram and that made 
> it much more clear to me.  If that helped me, wouldn’t it help others?  So 
> the idea of a K3 book was born.  (The original title was to be “The 
> Hitchhiker’s Guide to the K3” but I got talked out of that!)
> The concept that takes these books beyond the Elecraft manuals is support for 
> the visual, reading, and doing learning styles.There are many, many 
> diagrams.   In the K3S book there are 131 diagrams, 16 on the sub receiver 
> alone.  There are expanded explanations (and diagrams) for all radio 
> operations and in-depth explanations of topics such as the various controls 
> for the receiver’s AGC.  And to top it all off, most topics have a “lab 
> exercise” that you can do sitting at your radio to make sure you understand 
> the concept.
> The printed versions of the books all have an index and, of course, the pdf 
> versions can be easily searched for what you are looking for.
> www.ke7x.com has more information on all 12 current KE7X 
> Elecraft books with tables of contents and ordering information.
> 
> 
> 73,
> 
> Fred
> 
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net  on 
> behalf of Mike Markowski 
> Sent: Saturday, April 7, 2018 12:04 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Fred's vs Elecraft manuals
> 
> Fred and all,
> 
> Can you describe in general how your books differ from Elecraft manuals?
>  I haven't found Elecaft manuals to be lacking and very much like how
> direct and concise they are.  Your books are popular, making me wonder
> what you've added?
> 
> Tnx es 73!
> Mike ab3ap
> 
>> On 04/07/2018 11:39 AM, Cady, Fred wrote:
>> Hi Neil
>> 
>> No never did a K2 book.
>> 
>> Sorry the 15% discount at Lulu doesn't apply to pdf files.
>> 
>> The K3S, KX3, and KX2 hard copy books are only available through Elecraft.  
>> Sorry about that too.
>> 
>> Fred KE7X
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