[Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Hello, One of the things that troubles me is that I am not seeing much work to make the Linuxcnc project feel like an embedded system. To me, it just seems quite unprofessional to have a desktop looking environment that is running in a milling machine. Is there some reason that someone (other than

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Hello Dave, Thank you for the input. I am not aware of many commercial grade machines that have "apps" to create G-code. I have carefully reviewed many controllers from many companies such as FANUC, Haas, Toshiba, DynaPath, DMG, and others, none of the controllers I have looked at use "apps", nor

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Are you forgetting the other apps people use on their machines to create the gcode. Not something I really want as a user Dave Caroline -- ___ Emc-developers mailing list

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Hello Dave, I simply can not afford to have a machine idle while I use an "app" on it. If it is not running, it is not making money. If I am editing a program, someone else is using the machine to make things. There are plenty of small shops and "one man bands" that use a desktop computer for

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Neil , their are big people as you call it using linuxcnc , and their are some of us that cater for the Industrial user & big users . ( on a paid basis unfortunatly , i may add ) as reconfiguring or designing it's use for specific machines is no mean task , and yes if we can we do add it back

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

On Friday 25 December 2015 04:09:23 Neil Whelchel wrote: > Hello, > One of the things that troubles me is that I am not seeing much work > to make the Linuxcnc project feel like an embedded system. > To me, it just seems quite unprofessional to have a desktop looking > environment that is running

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Hello Ken, I get that, I have already done a bunch of programming in this direction, the plan is to contribute it. The reason that I started this discussion is that I am wondering if anyone else is already barking up this tree that I can join forces with. At the moment, I have adopted Gmoccapy as

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As always Stuart hit the nail . totally agree , also people dont understand the many thousands of hours that it must be by now put in by all concerned , into producing what i concider to be an outstanding peice of software . in a lot of cases, as neil suggests as well as others , companys would

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On Friday 25 December 2015 12:13:06 Sarah Armstrong wrote: > As always Stuart hit the nail . > totally agree , also people dont understand the many thousands of > hours that it must be by now > put in by all concerned , into producing what i concider to be an > outstanding peice of software . > >

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> On 25 Dec 2015, at 12:22, Neil Whelchel wrote: > > It > needs a toy wrapper for hobbyists, and it needs a tool wrapper for people A typical "Touchy" setup looks a lot like you describe, if the OS can be persuaded to open it automatically and fullscreen it.

[Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

I think it is entirely up to the integrator how to implement your machine. LCNC gives you all you need to setup the machine you want. I have implemented a few machines that run just with start stop and estop button as UI. The g-code comes from SD-Cards and is written in some office. On

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

On Friday 25 December 2015 11:31:11 Stuart Stevenson wrote: > Gentlemen, > I had a machine tool dealer/long time personal friend stop by last > week. I have known him since 1989. > He tried to hire me as his service department in 1993. > I have purchased three new machines and one used machine

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I'm Available ! ( glad this is not an open group Gene ) LOL I'd probably have a queue around the block . On 25 December 2015 at 18:25, Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 25 December 2015 12:13:06 Sarah Armstrong wrote: > > > As always Stuart hit the nail . > > totally agree ,

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

My main "app" is an editor I sit on the machine and edit the code to make the item, others use things such as dxf2gcode. I am one of many who are one man bands making stuff in various ways on various machines, three of mine are Linuxcnc, the hobbing machine has a screen to set up gear cutting,

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

The "standard" answer is that if you want it to look more like a commercial CNC machine you can do that. It's simply a matter of programming.  I suggest that you start by defining the requirements. When I added o-words and named parameters to the interpreter I started by defining the

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Gentlemen, I had a machine tool dealer/long time personal friend stop by last week. I have known him since 1989. He tried to hire me as his service department in 1993. I have purchased three new machines and one used machine from him but no machines since I started putting controls on old iron.

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

I'll throw my hat in the ring for a more embedded, dedicated appearing/functioning interface. I think such an option would make LCNC a more viable option for real, commercial application. This could be anything from a configuration option or GUI, to a full blown dedicated kernel or anything

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Hello all, First of all, this is a really fantastic bunch of people here! I can't think of any other mail list where everyone that has replied so far makes sense and provides directly useful insight. I realize that maintaining an embedded OS is not easy, and expensive. I have been doing this since

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

most of the tool requirements , i have in one form or another , but beware the tool list or database is one of the most complex and embedded part of linuxcnc and is not for the faint hearted . On 25 December 2015 at 21:07, Neil Whelchel wrote: > Hello Brian, > At the

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

On 12/25/2015 03:20 PM, Sarah Armstrong wrote: > Hi Jon , > > yes i'm aware of Machinekit , i do use it , but for industrial i dont think > it's got enough horsepower > and a more stable base is required , i believe to be long term stable for > industrial uses > Yes, this is a problem with PCs,

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This would be a trivial task for any UI, overwrite the tool table from a database and reload the tool table. I might be interested in this part... JT On 12/25/2015 3:07 PM, Neil Whelchel wrote: > Another > very important thing is that there should be some sort of a toolset > database. The flat

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 12:44:55 -0800 > From: neilwhelc...@gmail.com > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded > > Hello Sarah, > Much appreciated! I will start by sharing my thoughts and code. But it is > unclear to me which approach

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Jon, you previously posted about repair using a material injected into cracks from inside. I had my basement repaired that way and the annoying trickle across the basement floor is now gone. Small flanged pipes were inserted along the crack and the epoxy-like material was injected at those

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basement fix pix 500$ total, with guarantee since I'm in Thailand, and the crack is in Chicago, i think its a good investment tomp tjtr33 -- ___ Emc-developers mailing list

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> Can you explain exactly what you mean by embedded? > i think you mean like a fanuc or tormach where you turn on the machine and > that is all you can see. > > Yes, along those lines. The point is not so much that as it is reliability. It has to "just work", and it has to do so for people that

Re: [Emc-developers] seasons greetings

On 12/24/2015 10:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > Greetings all; > > Its that time of the year again, and there not a PC bone in my body, so > > Merry Christmas everyone! > > Cheers, Gene Heskett Merry Christmas, Happy Chanukkah, seasons greetings, whatever floats your boat! My appreciation for all

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yes you can do that , although i do it manually (good idea i'll add that ) it would help to keep the partfile & tools sync'd eitherway i.e import the gcode or part file from a dropdown and update the tools accordingly . it will work the same for solidcam too , On 25 December 2015 at 22:48, John

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On 12/25/2015 04:17 PM, EBo wrote: > There have been a couple of commercial ventures which have invested in > LCNC. Or should I say used EMC/LCNC and once they got something stable, > kept it that way and did not upgrade. I will be interested to see if > Tormach will be any different >

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On 12/25/2015 08:49 PM, TJoseph Powderly wrote: > basement fix pix > 500$ total, with guarantee Yup, that looks similar to mine. It was about $90 including shipping the kit of stuff to me. Jon --

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Hi Jon , yes i'm aware of Machinekit , i do use it , but for industrial i dont think it's got enough horsepower and a more stable base is required , i believe to be long term stable for industrial uses On 25 December 2015 at 21:14, Jon Elson wrote: > I apologize in

Re: [Emc-developers] seasons greetings

On Friday 25 December 2015 16:16:44 Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/24/2015 10:17 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Greetings all; > > > > Its that time of the year again, and there not a PC bone in my body, > > so > > > > Merry Christmas everyone! > > > > Cheers, Gene Heskett > > Merry Christmas, Happy

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 01:09:23 -0800 > From: neilwhelc...@gmail.com > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded > > Hello, > One of the things that troubles me is that I am not seeing much work to > make the Linuxcnc project feel like an

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On Friday 25 December 2015 19:22:18 Chris Morley wrote: > > Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 01:09:23 -0800 > > From: neilwhelc...@gmail.com > > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > > Subject: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded > > > > Hello, > > One of the things that troubles me is that I

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Hello Sarah, Much appreciated! I will start by sharing my thoughts and code. But it is unclear to me which approach is the best for everyone involved. As I mentioned before, I started with Gmoccapy. The more I think about it, the more I am thinking that it makes more sense to fork it as opposed to

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JT the problem is not in the database per se , but in keeping the database in sync i have it just about working , with a distributed server , linked into my camworks tooldatabase on a windows server across 7 machines . a little bit more testing , and see , the problem is it would need some

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On Dec 25 2015 4:11 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/25/2015 04:17 PM, EBo wrote: >> There have been a couple of commercial ventures which have invested >> in >> LCNC. Or should I say used EMC/LCNC and once they got something >> stable, >> kept it that way and did not upgrade. I will be interested

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> >> kept it that way and did not upgrade. I will be interested to see > >> if > >> Tormach will be any different > >> > >> . > >>Are they going to use LCNC and move on, or are they going to > >> seriously > >>

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Hello Chris, Yes, Ubuntu and most others will load up whatever you want on boot, but that is really not the point. The problem with nearly ANY release out there is that there is a TON of bloat. Take just the window manager alone, most of them use OpenGL to do fancy transitions, some window

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i'm happy to help Neil On 25 December 2015 at 20:00, Neil Whelchel wrote: > Hello all, > First of all, this is a really fantastic bunch of people here! I can't > think of any other mail list where everyone that has replied so far makes > sense and provides directly

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

Hello Brian, At the moment, the interface, and some OS integration are the places that I feel need the most attention. The interface needs tools to mount external (USB) devices and manage files as well as make backups and control the OS (shutdown, reboot...). Another very important thing is that

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I would suggest that you try not to fork. I would add a variable to the .ini file "EMBEDDED=1" to set embedded mode and then have appropriate tests in the code. I might also consider having a second variable "DESKTOP=1" to set desktop mode. So every place that you are inclined to remove code

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On 12/25/2015 03:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > No white Christmas here, steady rain, long enough my > basement floor is getting wet. Darnit! I need to deepen > the sump pump pit another 6 feet I guess. Or get a hoe in > here with a 15 foot arm and put in a french drain that deep. The glue job I

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On 12/25/2015 08:15 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > Looking at your place, it does look like a comfortable place, level > ground even. That sort of dirt starts at 100k an acre here in WV, with > nothing on it but a few scraggly trees. Or you spend it in diesel fuel > making it flat... Maybe more

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:23:52 -0800 > From: neilwhelc...@gmail.com > To: emc-developers@lists.sourceforge.net > Subject: Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded > > > Can you explain exactly what you mean by embedded? > > i think you mean like a fanuc or tormach where you turn on

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On 12/25/2015 7:05 PM, EBo wrote: > On Dec 25 2015 4:11 PM, Jon Elson wrote: >> On 12/25/2015 04:17 PM, EBo wrote: >>> There have been a couple of commercial ventures which have invested >>> in >>> LCNC. Or should I say used EMC/LCNC and once they got something >>> stable, >>> kept it that way

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On Friday 25 December 2015 21:49:42 TJoseph Powderly wrote: > basement fix pix > 500$ total, with guarantee > since I'm in Thailand, and the crack is in Chicago, > i think its a good investment > tomp tjtr33 Looks good from here, but what the heck are you doing on the far side of the big pond?

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I apologize in advance for stirring up a hornet's nest, but a branch of the LinuxCNC project has been created called machinekit. It is mostly aimed at the ARM processors such as the Beagle Bone. it works quite well on the $55 Beagle Bone Black computer. You can attach an LCD screen

Re: [Emc-developers] Moving closer to embedded

On Friday 25 December 2015 13:32:22 Sarah Armstrong wrote: > I'm Available ! > ( glad this is not an open group Gene ) LOL > I'd probably have a queue around the block . Chuckle. I have mental picture that says anyone named Sarah, is a pretty lady indeed. But most of the guys I know who might

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Looks like someone needs a happy-pill... How about the LCARS (of Star Trek fame) Home Automation interface ? Seriously though, Juergen Gnoss covered much of the important bits -- such as configurable UI's that can be as simple as 1 botton (C like)

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Are you pulling the part files from the server too? Seems you could "send" both the part file and the tool table... just thinking out loud. JT On 12/25/2015 4:42 PM, Sarah Armstrong wrote: > JT > the problem is not in the database per se , but in keeping the database in > sync > i have it just

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On Friday 25 December 2015 18:06:27 Jon Elson wrote: > On 12/25/2015 03:59 PM, Gene Heskett wrote: > > No white Christmas here, steady rain, long enough my > > basement floor is getting wet. Darnit! I need to deepen > > the sump pump pit another 6 feet I guess. Or get a hoe in > > here with a 15

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>> beware the tool list or database is one of the most complex and embedded part of linuxcnc Not if you actually understand coordinate systems - why and how to use them (math), tool length and diameter compensation - why and how to use them (math), and can read and edit text in a text editor.