[SI-LIST] multi-band devices

2001-11-30 Thread Wani, Vijay (V)
Hello Group: I have a question regarding multi-band devices. How can I characterize materials (shielded enclosure and other components in the enclosure) for absorption of certain RF? thank you in advance. vijay wani -- To

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that eric.lif...@ni.com wrote (in OF7DD27236.F196CE 48-on86256b14.006b5...@natinst.com) about '24 Mo. Warranty for the EU', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: The definition of Consumer in this directive is leading people at my company to believe it only applies to a finished product for

Re: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Rich Nute ri...@sdd.hp.com wrote (in 200111301943.laa15...@epgc196.sdd.hp.com) about 'Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: The length of the cord will affect the voltage at the load end of the cord. More significantly, its resistance affects

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Chris Maxwell chris.maxw...@nettest.com wrote (in 83d652574e7af740873674f9fc12dbaa675...@utexh1w2.gnnettest.com) about 'LISN Calibration', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: reference CISPR 16 or EN 55016 I don't think there is an EN55016. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread eric . lifsey
The definition of Consumer in this directive is leading people at my company to believe it only applies to a finished product for non-commercial or personal/private use. It appears to not apply to devices bought and used for profession/trade applications; which is nearly all of the products

RE: LISN Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread Chris Maxwell
John's concern (see attached email at the end) is on target, but there is a solution. I have the isolation transformer wired so that line and neutral from the wall outlet connect to the primary side. The windings ratio then provides a step-up so that I get 230VAC across the secondary (this is

Re: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-11-30 Thread Rich Nute
For an IT product there is a restriction in the use of mains cords with a cross sectional area of 0.75mm2 for units up to 6 amps when the cord is greater than 2m in length (EN60950: 2000 section 3.2.5) I am curious as to the hazard that is prevented by this length

RE: EN50024

2001-11-30 Thread Gary McInturff
Steve, En55024 calls out IEC 61000-4-2 but specifies 4 Kv contact and 8 kv air discharge both with acceptance criteria B Assuming Data processing equipment performance Criteria B is: Failures which can be recovered by read and write retries are permissible

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Patrick Lawler plaw...@west.net wrote (in 5sef0uc2qlad6kdjq2fi0e0v76ju6vj...@4ax.com) about 'LISN Calibration', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: I ran into that exact problem (a floating power source) a few years ago. Anyone who benefited from the 'Rational Manger' or

24 Mo. Warranty issue questions

2001-11-30 Thread Michael Taylor
There has been a lot of discussion on the extended EU warranty issue. Perhaps I missed it but, does anyone have the chapter verse of this new requirement (dirrective # or OJ reference). When does it take effect, Is the entire EU involved ??? Are non-voting countries following the EU lead ???

RE: EN50024

2001-11-30 Thread Bailey, Jeff
Hi Stephen, Yes, table 1 outlines 4kV contact and 8kV air, Criterion B. Section 4.2.1 also goes on to clarify where (or where not) to apply either contact or air discharges and how many to apply. Regards, Jeff Bailey Compliance Engineering SST - A Division of Woodhead Canada Phone: (519)

Re: German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread J.Feldhaar
Hi Richard, Gefährdungen or Gefaehrdungen is the German wird for Danger (Peril) This form is the plural form, singular is Gefährdung, the noun is Gefahr. Word for word pedantic translation would give something like endangering. If it is for a manual translation, Danger is the best choice,

Re: 2nd one: EMI receiver overhead - diagram

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that J.Feldhaar j.feldh...@telejet.de wrote (in 3c07a71c.3878c...@telejet.de) about '2nd one: EMI receiver overhead - diagram', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: There is a lot more to this issue, but at the moment I'm looking only for this picture with the curves for the amplitude

Re: LISN Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread Patrick Lawler
I ran into that exact problem (a floating power source) a few years ago. The conducted emissions test results on a power supply at an outside lab were 4-5dB higher than our precompliance bench in-house. I sent the LISN's back to the manufacturer for performance verification, and they were fine.

RE: German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread Colgan, Chris
Richard A German colleague of mine says he doesn't recognise this word, it doesn't exist in German as far as he knows. He says it could mean something like a thing that could cause danger. If you could put the word into context, perhaps by supplying any surrounding text, he says he will try to

RE: German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread David_Sterner
'Gefährdungen' is the plural 'die Gefährdung' meaning endangering or imperiling I'm not sure there is a good English equivalent, 'endangerings' is the litteral translation. David -Original Message- From: Stephen Phillips [mailto:step...@cisco.com] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 8:57

RE: German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread richwoods
Thanks to everyone that replied. My OCR mispelled the word. Once corrected, it does translate as danger. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: helmut.hi...@alcatel.de [mailto:helmut.hi...@alcatel.de] Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:45 AM

Re: German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread Helmut . Hintz
Hi Richard, Gefährdung means in English: danger or hazard in general; in special e.g. radiation hazard a very good dictionary is free available under: http://dict.leo.org/ best regards Helmut Hintz richwo...@tycoint.com@majordomo.ieee.org on 30.11.2001 02:32:55 PM Please respond to

emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org, Re: Requesting relevant Microwave Standards for ATE products

2001-11-30 Thread paul_j_smith
Hi List Members, I would like to develop an in-house standard that references all relevant microwave standards for test and measurement equipment or ATE. Does anyone have info on these related standards titles and numerical designations? Thanks in advance for your help. Best Regards,

EN50024

2001-11-30 Thread Yow, Steve (IndSys, GEFanuc, NA)
I know the answer is go buy the darn standard, I thought I had it, but cant seem to find it. I have a simple question though and I know someone has the answer. In EN50024 what is the requirement for ESD. Is it 4kV contact and 8 kV air, Criterion B??? Regards, Stephen Yow GE Fanuc Automation

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread ggarside
I'm just guessing, but one detail that may have impeded your search (assuming you were searching in English, not German, French, etc.) is that in UK English, warranty/warranties is/are _usually_ called Guarantee/Guarantees. It is a good general point to bear in mind when searching EU and other

Cable Calibration

2001-11-30 Thread BOlabisi
I have a few questions for the gurus in the group regarding cable calibration for emissions and immunity tests 1. what is the preferred step by step procedure for cable calibration using a sig. gen. and spectrum analyzer? 2. Is there any standard that outlines the procedure? 3.Does the procedure

RE: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-11-30 Thread Crabb, John
Almost certainly the answer will be found in BS1363 Part 1, Specification for rewirable and non-rewirable 13A fused plugs. (I assume you are referring to UK plugs, as I don't know of any other plug with a fuse). My copy of BS1363 is rather old, but there is a table which shows a 3A (5A) fuse

RE: Mains Cords in the UK and the fuse rating

2001-11-30 Thread WELLMAN,RON (A-PaloAlto,ex1)
I recommend that you get copies of BS 1362 and all parts of BS 1363 from BSI. You may also want to get a copy of EN 60799. Regards, +=+ |Ronald R. Wellman|Voice : 408-345-8229 | |Agilent Technologies

Re: German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread Stephen Phillips
I don't carry my various language conversion dictionaries in my briefcase anymore, since spec's have come in English for many years now. But I think it might mean (in some form) Danger; spelled differently though (die Gefaehrdung: danger, hazard, peril, accident risk). Try:

German Translation

2001-11-30 Thread richwoods
Can someone please tell me what the word Gefäedungen means in English? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web

Re: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.

2001-11-30 Thread Lisa_Cefalo
How do you keep your violin from getting stolen? Put it in a viola case. I play violin -- I think the obsession stems from the inability of anyone to understand why the Stradivarius sound is so unique - I'm sure all musician - engineers have at one point wanted to build their own instrument

RE: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread Geoff Lister
Andy, I believe that this is still at the discussion stage. At the moment, each EU country has its own set of consumer protection laws. In most cases, the warranty, which is usually 12 months, is part of the product marketing, rather than an obligation. This usually gives the consumer rights

RE: [Fwd: clearance and working voltage]

2001-11-30 Thread CE-TEST
Did anyone take a look at 61010 standard for measuring etc. equipment. This standard (if I read well) allows for 1.8 mm clearance and 0 creepage on PCB material (regardless CTI) between hazardous 230 V and ground if enclosed into a IPx5 or better enclosure (creating Pollution degree 2). This

RE: Amendment -14 of to EN/IEC61000-3-2

2001-11-30 Thread Colgan, Chris
Erwin Briefly, only PCs, PC monitors and television receivers can be classified as Class D. For exact details I'm afraid you will have to purchase the standard. Chris Colgan Compliance Engineer TAG McLaren Audio Ltd The Summit, Latham Road Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU *Tel: +44 (0)1480 415 627

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread Chris Allen
Andy, I'm not sure, but the Directive you may be referring to is 1999/44/EC. http://europa.eu.int/eur-lex/en/lif/dat/1999/en_399L0044.html Kind regards, Chris. - Original Message - From: Veit, Andy Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 4:22 PM To: 'EMC-PSTC Internet Forum' Subject: 24

RE: EMI receiver desensitization and amplitude overhead

2001-11-30 Thread CE-TEST
Try RS documentation especially the booklet: Measuring EMI and wanted signals. It was published quit a long time ago, but they might want to make you a copy... Your headroom is exactly equal to their numbers. regards Gert Gremmen -Original Message- From:

RE: Hi-Pot OK labels

2001-11-30 Thread Peter Merguerian
Andrew, Hi-Pot OK ink stamp is unacceptable to most NRTLs and European test agencies. Keep up with the paper record. Imagine this scenario: A production line employee is applying a 100% voltage but forgets to put the equipment on/off swich in the ON position (ie not subjecting the whole

Re: Amendment -14 of to EN/IEC61000-3-2

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that SEOW,ERWIN-SP (HP-Singapore,ex6) erwin- sp_s...@hp.com wrote (in BB63B56B6F7FD747B48FA66E4F63A20C44877F@xsg06. sgp.hp.com) about 'Amendment -14 of to EN/IEC61000-3-2', on Fri, 30 Nov 2001: I just recently found out that there was an amendment 14 for the harmonics

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that Tania Grant taniagr...@msn.com wrote (in oe248k8rbkxga7zywr41...@hotmail.com) about '24 Mo. Warranty for the EU', on Thu, 29 Nov 2001: You mean, we can't provide a 5 or 10 year warranty???   Will this fall under the CE marking Directive??  Do we have to sign

Re: 24 Mo. Warranty for the EU

2001-11-30 Thread Tania Grant
You mean, we can't provide a 5 or 10 year warranty??? Will this fall under the CE marking Directive?? Do we have to sign a Declaration of Conformity??? Personally, I think the Directive directors are nuts in this case. I can see a warranty document going on and on for pages and pages,

Re: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.

2001-11-30 Thread Tania Grant
Gentlemen, This discussion sounds better than a PDQ Bach concerto! I am getting an education here! taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Pettit, Ghery Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 5:42 PM To: 'Ehler, Kyle'; 'Aschenberg, Mat'; Pettit, Ghery; 'John Woodgate';

Amendment -14 of to EN/IEC61000-3-2

2001-11-30 Thread SEOW,ERWIN-SP (HP-Singapore,ex6)
Hi All, I just recently found out that there was an amendment 14 for the harmonics standards. Can any one explain to me the exact details of it? Thanks in advance! Erwin Seow --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical

RE: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.

2001-11-30 Thread Pettit, Ghery
Ouch! That is one expensive Louisville Slugger. Unless, of course, it was a Linton plastic Bassoon, in which case that's all it was good for ;) -Original Message- From: Ehler, Kyle [mailto:keh...@lsil.com] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 1:08 PM To: 'Aschenberg, Mat'; 'Pettit,

Re: SV: SV: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.

2001-11-30 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that am...@westin-emission.no wrote (in LFENJLPMMJB mhpeibnilmegecbaa.am...@westin-emission.no) about 'SV: SV: Revised EMC standards and CE Declarations.', on Thu, 29 Nov 2001: On the CENELEC web they say regarding EN61000-6-1: Note:Supersedes EN 50082-1:1997. What you are