RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-07 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
It's worth pointing out that the NRTL program does not imply that any NRTL can test against the applicable standards for every category of equipment. Like other schemes, accreditation is against specific standards, thus, not all NRTLs are created equally. Likewise SCC accreditation for testing ag

Re: Correction to Nute RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
The origin of all this NRTL stuff... http://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp show_document?p_table=DIRECTIVES&p_id=1839 Directives CSP 01-01-022 - STP 2-1.147A - Safety Testing or Certification of Certain Workplace Equipment and Materials ... _

Correction to Nute RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
With thanks to one of our subscribers, I find that my quote from OSHA 1910.399, 2004, does not exist in today's 1910.399. My earlier message quoted from the definition of "approved for the purpose." This definition seemed to allow any "organization concerned with product evaluation" to determine

Re: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <005e01c84e3c$62a69df0$6501a8c0@PC323541548743>, dated Thu, 3 Jan 2008, rn...@san.rr.com writes: >However, if the equipment bears the NEMKO or VDE or equivalent mark, >and the employer had a copy of the test report, I would guess that he >would be in compliance with the law. I would

RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Jim, You have received valid interpretation of the law in the USA. Unfortunately, it doesn't quite resolve the situation for you. Because of the peculiarity of the US system, at every level US lawmakers are quick to pass a law to fix almost any problem. They rarely, however, make funds

RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello John: > I suppose that if an employer claimed to trust the test > results from a > European test house, carried out in order to apply the CE > mark legally, > that would not be accepted? Does the WTO know about that? If the equipment does not bear an NRTL certification mark, the law r

Re: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <005001c84e2f$14ef36b0$6501a8c0@PC323541548743>, dated Thu, 3 Jan 2008, rn...@san.rr.com writes: >If you read the law further, you will find that the employer has the >option of testing the equipment and determining that it is safe. > >This option is onerous and not often used. I sup

RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Jim: > It is my understanding that OSHA requires an NRTL approval on > any electrical test equipment used in the workplace in the > United States. However, much of the EMC test equipment that I > have seen has only a CE Marking, and no NRTL Marking. > > Can someone on this list can offer s

RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
o the task of evaluating and testing various equipment safety and keeping detailed records. Samuel From: Richard Nute [mailto:ri...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rn...@san.rr.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 9:36 AM To: Samuel Lifshutz Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org; 'Lyons, Jim' Subject: RE: Test

Re: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Jim, This is an area that I've had some recent experience with, except that the test equipment in question was for wire-harness assembly testing. The obligation to ensure that only marked equipment is used in the workplace falls squarely on the shoulders of the employer through the General

RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Sam: > Use of equipment in a work place which is not approved by a > NRTL is a violation of Federal Law. Not necessarily. If you read the law further, you will find that the employer has the option of testing the equipment and determining that it is safe. This option is onerous and not o

RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
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RE: Test Equipment NRTL Approval

2008-01-03 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Jim: In United States the Federal Law, 29 CFR, Part 1910.399 and OSHA Regulations states that "equipment is acceptable if it is listed by a Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratory (NRTL)" Use of equipment in a work place which is not approved by a NRTL is a violation of Federal Law. See http:/

Re: Test Equipment for 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3

2006-04-26 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message <2a93eb060604261002w2a64d2f5ke0e3ee09746dd...@mail.gmail.com>, dated Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Grace Lin writes >I am looking for a test equipment to perform 61000-3-2 and 61000-3-3.  >If you know any brand and model, could you please share that >information with me? Try California Instrum

Re: test equipment standards

2005-01-28 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article , White, Ian writes >All the talk about LVD standards has come at a good time. We have a >supplier of electric actuators who in their D of C give >EN60730-1:1995 - which is Automatic electrical controls for >household and similar use - Part 1 General requirements. > >

Re: test equipment standards

2005-01-28 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
In article , Brian O'Connell writes >Since you have clearly stated that the device is intended for use >outside of the "professional" lab environment, you need to exercise due >diligence and apply 60950, 60335, and/or 60065. There is no need to throw every safety standard in sight at it. It's not

RE: test equipment standards

2005-01-28 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Ian, "Electric actuator" sounds like some kind of component that induces movement, such as a motor or solenoid. Such components are not within the scope of IEC 600950-1, although if a manufacturer chose to use them in some ICT equipment then they would need to comply with the relevant parts of

RE: test equipment standards

2005-01-28 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
. From: richhug...@aol.com [mailto:richhug...@aol.com] Sent: 27 January 2005 22:02 To: john.al...@era.co.uk; boconn...@t-yuden.com; hs.liddi...@btopenworld.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: test equipment standards John, There are many members of this forum who participate in TC108 at either

Re: test equipment standards

2005-01-27 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
John, There are many members of this forum who participate in TC108 at either the IEC or national level and therefore have a greater or lesser foresight into the replacement standard for IEC 60065 and IEC 60950-1. Reasonably foreseeable future? Well, that all depends what you mean by reasonable

RE: test equipment standards

2005-01-27 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
liddiard; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: test equipment standards Sir Since you have clearly stated that the device is intended for use outside of the "professional" lab environment, you need to exercise due diligence and apply 60950, 60335, and/or 60065. luck, Brian -Or

RE: test equipment standards

2005-01-27 Thread owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org
Sir Since you have clearly stated that the device is intended for use outside of the "professional" lab environment, you need to exercise due diligence and apply 60950, 60335, and/or 60065. luck, Brian From: hs.liddiard [mailto:hs.liddi...@btopenworld.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2005 11:3

RE: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread Whitehouse, Terence (Terry)
Grant; Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Test Equipment ... Please check FCC 15.105 and 15.05 and 15.29 to see the requirements for medical equipment. In my opinion, those sections say that medical equipment shall not interfere. Best Regards Bob Schlentz appro...@minn.net

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread Ralph Cameron
FCC Part15) is for digital products or those containing mnicroprocessors. Thanks Ralph Cameron - Original Message - From: To: ; ; ; Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 2:43 PM Subject: RE: Test Equipment ... > Part 15 does NOT address only digital devices. It does make a lot of >

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread RJS
Please check FCC 15.105 and 15.05 and 15.29 to see the requirements for medical equipment. In my opinion, those sections say that medical equipment shall not interfere. Best Regards Bob Schlentz appro...@minn.net --- This message is from the IEEE EMC

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread Cortland Richmond
: "Tania Grant" To: "Doug McKean" , "EMC-PSTC Discussion Group" Subject: Re: Test Equipment ... List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2001 21:15:35 -0700 Doug, et al, FCC Part 15 addresses digital devices only. And they continue to u

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread Ralph Cameron
Tania Grant To: Doug McKean ; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: Re: Test Equipment ... Doug, et al, FCC Part 15 addresses digital devices only. And they continue to use the term "digital" over and over again. The scope of FCC P

RE: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread Jim Conrad
Discussion Group Subject: Re: Test Equipment ... Doug, et al, FCC Part 15 addresses digital devices only. And they continue to use the term "digital" over and over again. The scope of FCC Part 15 does not address analog devices, whether they be industrial, commercial, or medical test

RE: Test Equipment

2001-08-01 Thread Bandele Adepoju
cations, Inc. badep...@jetstream.com -Original Message- From: Tania Grant [mailto:taniagr...@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 9:16 PM To: Doug McKean; EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Test Equipment ... Doug, et al, FCC Part 15 addresses digital devices only. And they cont

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-08-01 Thread Tania Grant
them if they wanted to!) taniagr...@msn.com - Original Message - From: Doug McKean Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 5:46 PM To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group Subject: Re: Test Equipment ... "Price, Ed" wrote: > > Doug: > > The rationale that I recall is that test equipm

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-07-31 Thread Doug McKean
"Price, Ed" wrote: > > Doug: > > The rationale that I recall is that test equipment is expected to be used by > people who understand the nature of electrical measurements and safety. > These people will have the knowledge and resources, beyond those of a > typical consumer, to recognize and ameli

RE: Test Equipment ...

2001-07-31 Thread Price, Ed
>-Original Message- >From: Doug McKean [mailto:dmck...@corp.auspex.com] >Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 11:58 AM >To: EMC-PSTC Discussion Group >Subject: Test Equipment ... > > > >Why or what is the reasoning behind test equipment >being exempt from all sorts of testing that's required

Re: Test Equipment ...

2001-07-31 Thread Doug McKean
"Gorodetsky, Vitaly" wrote: > Doug, > > You meant to say FCC exempt. > Also, keep in mind that if equipment includes any additional functions other > than measurement than it shall be tested. Sorry. Yes, you're correct. What's the reason for the exemption from FCC testing? - Doug --

RE: Test Equipment ...

2001-07-31 Thread Gorodetsky, Vitaly
Doug, You meant to say FCC exempt. Also, keep in mind that if equipment includes any additional functions other than measurement than it shall be tested. Vitaly Gorodetsky Compliance Consultant Direct: (818) 678-3840 Main: (818) 718-

RE: test equipment

1997-08-12 Thread DouglasScott
John, I had been using an HP 8591A with EMI options for 5 years. Saw the new HP 8591 EM and wanted it. but what to do with my old one? The boss wouldn't let me spend $$$ for a new one when the old one still worked. So my HP salesperson arranged to have Telogy buy my old one for a really good pr

RE: test equipment

1997-08-12 Thread Flinders, Randall
units floating around out there! regards, Randy Flinders EMC Test Engineer Emulex Network Systems -- From: Jim Bacher[SMTP:j...@mmsday.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 1997 7:40 AM To: emc-pstc Subject: Re: test equipment A friend

RE: RE: test equipment

1997-08-12 Thread Frazee, Doug
Environmental ambients are also a problem on OATS testing. Getting to know the environmental ambient profile helps. If you have a receiver with A-B trace capability, you can do a rough check by scanning with and without the UUT powered, and subtracting the scans, theoretically subtracting out the

Re: test equipment

1997-08-12 Thread Jim Bacher
A friend of mine is getting out of the EMC Business and has all of his equipment up for sale. His name is Dick Heaton. His company is Midwest EMC Measurements. He can be reached at 937-667-3467 Voice or 937-667-6180 fax. Jim Bacher Senior Engineer, Monarch Marking Systems, Inc. email: j...@m

Re[2]:RE: test equipment

1997-08-12 Thread Moshe_Valdman
Hello Gordon, Indeed most of the environment is coming from within the building, is unpredictable, changes during the day, and sometimes has frequencies similar or identical to the UUT (since some of it is generated by similar equipment). The TV/Radio type of environment is normally not the proble

Re[2]:RE: test equipment

1997-08-12 Thread Moshe_Valdman
Hello Gordon, Indeed most of the environment is coming from within the building, is unpredictable, changes during the day, and sometimes has frequencies similar or identical to the UUT (since some of it is generated by similar equipment). The TV/Radio type of environment is normally not the proble

Re: test equipment

1997-08-11 Thread Terry J. Meck
John: I have been having good success with a Tektronix 2712 spectrum analyser with CISPER options using a Farnell Broadband antenna. Also a Farnell LISIN LSN0930A. These are relatively `cost effective'. As with any test equipment they have their limitations. The Tek Software is `acceptabl

RE: test equipment

1997-08-09 Thread Flinders, Randall
John, Here are some of the new/used test equipment suppliers which we have used in the past. I hope this is what you were looking for! Regards, Randy Flinders EMC Test Engineer Emulex Network Systems Corporation --