Re: [PSES] Burden test

2024-08-23 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
Sent: Thursday, August 22, 2024 9:51 PM To: 'rmm.priv...@gmail.com' ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Burden test Thank you all. I decided to contact TC57 which prepared this standard and let’s see. When I went once more through standard, I think it is really lik

Re: [PSES] Burden test

2024-08-22 Thread Boštjan Glavič
current, continuous value and short time value for 1 s; • withstand voltage across open contacts. Compliance with 6.1.3.1 to 6.1.3.4 is checked by inspection or by measurement. 6.8 Burden test Burden 6.8.1 for AC power supply 6.8.1.1 Typical load condition The equipment is powered at rated auxiliary

Re: [PSES] Burden test

2024-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
, 2024 10:41 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] Burden test I think you are required to state the power consumption of every port that consumes power. If your SMPS really is 'intelligent', then the standard applies. But I wonder what the relevant definition of

Re: [PSES] Burden test

2024-08-22 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
: [PSES] Burden test I think you are required to state the power consumption of every port that consumes power. If your SMPS really is 'intelligent', then the standard applies. But I wonder what the relevant definition of 'intelligent' is. There appears to be no method of mea

Re: [PSES] Burden test

2024-08-22 Thread John Woodgate
y, August 22, 2024 4:32 AM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* [PSES] Burden test Dear all, Is anyone familiar with burden test according IEC 61850-3 standard? Is this test applicable for switch mode  power supply with AC input and DC output? How to conduct the test? What is the idea of

Re: [PSES] Burden test

2024-08-22 Thread Richard Nute
AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Burden test Dear all, Is anyone familiar with burden test according IEC 61850-3 standard? Is this test applicable for switch mode power supply with AC input and DC output? How to conduct the test? What is the idea of the test? Stand

[PSES] Burden test

2024-08-22 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Dear all, Is anyone familiar with burden test according IEC 61850-3 standard? Is this test applicable for switch mode power supply with AC input and DC output? How to conduct the test? What is the idea of the test? Standard is not really clear. Thank you for your support. Best regards

Re: [PSES] Touch/Leakage Current Test Equipment

2024-07-31 Thread Boštjan Glavič
facebook.com/SIQLjubljana/> [SIQ LinkedIn] <https://www.linkedin.com/company/siq> [SIQ YouTube] <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCURzJFvP5CDVtL_vdvWjbQA/featured> From: Brian Kunde Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2024 2:51 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Touch/Lea

[PSES] Touch/Leakage Current Test Equipment

2024-07-31 Thread Brian Kunde
Greetings to all. I would like to hear your recommendations for test equipment for performing Touch/Leakage Current. If it is ok to say, we currently have an ED&D LT-952 with the 30A option and it has been great. However, we would like to get a second tester that has a LAN interface so we

[PSES] Conducted emissions test bench

2024-04-17 Thread Brian Gregory
We're going to DIY a portable table for CE. We won't have a dedicated space for it, so the table and ground plane will need to me ... portable.1. How big must the test table be for normal FCC class B (CISPR 16, I think) conducted emissions, from 0.15 - 30 MHz?Same question for

Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

2024-03-05 Thread Jim Bacher, WB8VSU
John, a question. What's the date on your test reports / files? I don't remember the details any more, but I hit something similar many years ago. So I paid to have the files refreshed to solve the issue. It was a minimal cost. Jim Bacher, WB8VSU ja.bac...@outlook.com or j.bac..

Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

2024-03-05 Thread John Riutta
EN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=x40qV4DM3u4JrqHl_FVpxdOqkHDBo3f6BvwvAwIWGH8&m=B6fIOBUaG50CeATRoPrGe3aQoHBGiKZFSBIu-ovu97c5RZhLW5JAVauCDQwYc3UQ&s=dXknLUOcxSuYfVZ7A71XexAkwNhfOYqmzp9HADpQfIk&e=> From: John Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2024 11:19 AM To: John Riutta ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.I

Re: [PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

2024-03-05 Thread John Woodgate
How 'long past'? Do any of these standards, or the test certificates associated with them, specify a validity period or an expiry date? Did Amazon cite an authority for their rejection? On 2024-03-05 18:51, John Riutta wrote: Hello all, I’m having a bit of bother with Amazon.

[PSES] Validity Period of Battery Safety Test Reports

2024-03-05 Thread John Riutta
Hello all, I'm having a bit of bother with Amazon.com at the moment. For a small rechargeable battery-containing product they are requiring one of the following in order for them to sell the product on their Canadian platform: * CAN/CSA C22.2 No. 62133-2:20; * IEC 62133:2012 or IEC 621

Re: [PSES] Conducted Immunity test for EMC

2024-02-27 Thread T.Sato
om > From: Youngsik Kim > Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:57 AM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] Conducted Immunity test for EMC > > Hi All > > I'd like to inquire about the conduction resistance test. > What is L in the picture below? >

Re: [PSES] Conducted Immunity test for EMC

2024-02-27 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
s. From: Youngsik Kim Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2024 7:57 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Conducted Immunity test for EMC Hi All I'd like to inquire about the conduction resistance test. What is L in the picture below? 1. Distance between CDN and EUT 2.

[PSES] Conducted Immunity test for EMC

2024-02-26 Thread Youngsik Kim
Hi All I'd like to inquire about the conduction resistance test. What is *L* in the picture below? 1. Distance between CDN and EUT 2. Length of cable between CDN and EUT [image: image.png] - This message is from the IEEE Pr

Re: [PSES] 61010-1 Stability test, Para 7.4 Stability

2024-02-13 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Steve: In studying other standards, some have specified toppling, such as exceeding 15 degrees (IEC 62368-1, 4th ed., 8.6.5) or exceeding 10 degrees (IEC 62368-1, 2nd ed., 8.6.2.2). On the other hand, IEC 60335, 4th ed., has no such stability requirement that I could find. (By the wa

Re: [PSES] 61010-1 Stability test, Para 7.4 Stability

2024-02-13 Thread Steve Brody
:10 PM EST Douglas Powell wrote: > > > HI Steve, > > One thought that occurs to me. The method of test does not seem to mention if > it is intended for final installation or during the time when the unit is > mobile. By your description, I assume you intend it to be no

Re: [PSES] 61010-1 Stability test, Para 7.4 Stability

2024-02-13 Thread Douglas Powell
HI Steve, One thought that occurs to me. The method of test does not seem to mention if it is intended for final installation or during the time when the unit is mobile. By your description, I assume you intend it to be non-mobile. I did this sort of topple test once before on a telescopic

Re: [PSES] 61010-1 Stability test, Para 7.4 Stability

2024-02-13 Thread Charlie Blackham
Stability test, Para 7.4 Stability Experts: I need your opinions on the following. I am having a 'discussion' with an NRTL on a product that I can't show you a picture of but here is a description: * the base of the unit is 20" w x 26" l x 29" hf * the base of

[PSES] 61010-1 Stability test, Para 7.4 Stability

2024-02-12 Thread Steve Brody
closed, except that those intended to be opened by an OPERATOR are in their least favourable positions. When the force was applied at the top of the robot mast, it unit started to topple at 38 lbs, which is less than the required 44 lb force according to the standard. The case I presen

Re: [PSES] Test lab in Germany - LVD testing

2024-01-23 Thread Charlie Blackham
el: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Amund Westin Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2024 2:22 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test lab in Germany - LVD testing On behalf of a local company, I'm looking f

[PSES] Test lab in Germany - LVD testing

2024-01-23 Thread Amund Westin
On behalf of a local company, I’m looking for a German test lab within LVD testing (EN 62368-1). I have a listing of all CB scheme labs in Germany but would appreciate suggestions of other labs. Thanks! Best regards / Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Mvh Amund Westin

Re: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-17 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Chuck: I don't know why your lab wants to do the primary-circuits-to-ground hi-pot test to "unearthed socket terminals." I assume your secondary circuits are grounded, and, if so, the pins of sockets (RJ45 and XLR) are therefore referenced to ground and are subject to

Re: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-17 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
If you test that connector with the blunt test probe (aka finger probe) using the procedure described in the standard and it does not touch the connector pins (and you have minimum clearance) then your certifier should reconsider the dielectric test level. Many standards still use basic and

Re: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-17 Thread Chuck August-McDowell
Thank you for pointing to IEC 62911 standard. Chuck From: Boštjan Glavič Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2024 11:35 PM To: Chuck August-McDowell ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: RE: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets [THIS EMAIL IS FROM AN

Re: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-16 Thread Boštjan Glavič
on requirements of IEC 62911 standard. Best regards, Boštjan From: Chuck August-McDowell Sent: Wednesday, January 17, 2024 1:33 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets CAUTION: This email originated from

[PSES] Products requiring dielectric voltage withstand test on RJ45 and XLR sockets

2024-01-16 Thread Chuck August-McDowell
I'm working with a new lab and new product using IEC 62368-1 3rd Ed. they are asking the company to perform production line test dielectric voltage withstand test of 3600 Vp or DC 1 to 4 seconds on Ethernet port connector RJ45 and Pro Audio XLR connector sockets? "Between primar

[PSES] A high voltage Power Quality test?

2023-11-21 Thread Jones, Richard
Has anyone come across a Maximum HV Bus Voltage Impulse test before and how did they implement it? This test starts with a steady state at 850V then has a 1.5mSec Rise Time to 1200V and immediately drops 1.5mS Fall time back to 850V. The impulse being a triangular waveform. Trying to work out

[PSES] Test

2023-10-18 Thread Charlie Martin
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[PSES] test message only

2023-09-27 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-13 Thread John Woodgate
I really hope not. See my story 'How to lose half a million dollars': /April 2 2014 From: Compliance (JH) To: MJ54 Team Leader (BB) Subject: MJ54 tests Not good news. Model for testing (MFT) failed several EMC tests, and there are safety issues as well. Details in a following message. Can we di

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-13 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems Thanks everyone for your thoughts. But in the case of ESD testing, IEC 61000-4-2 is not a very good standard. We knew this in 1996 where work done by myself and others showed that the waveform needs to have a di/dt spec

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread doug emcesd.com
From: Brent DeWitt Sent: Saturday, August 12, 2023 5:05:40 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems I suspect that folks who have been directly involved with air-discharge ESD can appreciate it's inherent, operator influenced, uncertainly. H

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread Brent DeWitt
I suspect that folks who have been directly involved with air-discharge ESD can appreciate it's inherent, operator influenced, uncertainly. Having run both internal and third party EMC test labs, I recognize that few things are done "perfectly" (whatever "perfect&q

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread John Mcbain
26 AM John Woodgate wrote: > But crossing t's and dotting i's is exactly what is required by competence > standards, including the several ISO 170XX series. Furthermore, standards > specify performance of test equipment, if possible, and only if that is not > possible, the

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-12 Thread John Woodgate
But crossing t's and dotting i's is exactly what is required by competence standards, including the several ISO 170XX series. Furthermore, standards specify performance of test equipment, if possible, and only if that is not possible, they specify design. If that is not possible, th

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-11 Thread Ken Javor
find examples of non-idealities in the work of technicians doing rote work following canned test procedures.  A test facility isn’t going to make a profit employing a septuagenarian devoted to crossing every “t” and dotting every “i.”  (Written by someone pushing that age bracket pretty hard

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-11 Thread doug emcesd.com
belligerent when I gently suggested they performed the test incorrectly. In both cases, the labs relented and retested after we examined the test standard and they realized they were testing incorrectly. A lab client needs to keep an eye out to make sure such an error does not happen to them. On

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-11 Thread John Woodgate
wrote: You could certainly word this in a different way that doesn’t generalize how “most” test labs are bad and/or incompetent. How about in the future you find a different way to word things. - This message is from the IEEE Prod

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-11 Thread Jack Murphy
V.IEEE.ORG Subject: [External]: Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems Doug, Your once-a-year lab bashing is offensive, some years you do it more and honestly I'm tired of not saying something about it. It's especially offensive to people like myself whom has been running test

Re: [PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-11 Thread Larry K. Stillings
Doug, Your once-a-year lab bashing is offensive, some years you do it more and honestly I'm tired of not saying something about it. It's especially offensive to people like myself whom has been running test labs for the last 33 years and pride myself in the work we have provi

[PSES] thoughts on ESD test lab problems

2023-08-10 Thread doug emcesd.com
Hi All, Just a couple of thoughts on what a good lab should do for ESD testing and how to protect yourself as a client from test problems. 1. Bring an Ohmmeter with you to the lab and measure the resistance from the Horizontal Coupling Plane to the Ground Reference Plane. It should be

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-27 Thread Ghery Pettit
otect licensed users of the radio spectrum. Ghery S. Pettit Chair, CISPR SC I From: Bill Morse <2586a7f26805-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2023 1:37 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential settin

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-27 Thread Bill Morse
ent: Monday, July 24, 2023 1:20 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting [Caution - External] Hi Brian, 20V/m is seen in some bands for rail standards, but I've seen it elsewhere, usually where there is a functional safety aspect

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-24 Thread David Schaefer
; [cid:image964301.jpg@0A7F6A0F.D9CD69CE]<https://elementmaterials.eu.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_3xQqm84s6IydI5D> From: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.com] Sent: Friday, July 21, 2023 7:21 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting CAUTION

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread T.Sato
standards sometimes call for higher immunity test levels. For example, IEC 61000-6-7 calls for 20 V/m per IEC 61000-4-3 test method. Also, although the regulation will not usually be required in US and charging stations will not be covered by the regulation anyway, ECE R1 calls for 30 V/m per ISO 1

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Brent DeWitt
n.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK I hear, and I forget. I see, and I remember. I do, and I understand. Xunzi (340 - 245 BC) On 2023-07-21 20:30, Scott Aldous wrote: Hi Brian, The UL standard actually references IEC 61000-4-3 only for the test method. Per the UL standard, the test level, 20 V/m, come

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread John Woodgate
ndard actually references IEC 61000-4-3 only for the test method. Per the UL standard, the test level, 20 V/m, comes from EN 60601-1-2, which is the CENELEC EMC standard for medical devices. Per this article <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/understanding-central-differences-between-3rd-4th-editi

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Scott Aldous
Hi Brian, The UL standard actually references IEC 61000-4-3 only for the test method. Per the UL standard, the test level, 20 V/m, comes from EN 60601-1-2, which is the CENELEC EMC standard for medical devices. Per this article <https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/understanding-central-differen

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread bart . de . geeter
Hi Brian, Just for your information, in Europe residential EV chargers (for charging an EV with AC voltage), typically needs to fulfill the requirements of EN 61851-21-2 (product standard for off-board EV chargers). In this standard you will find the applicable test levels for immunity

[PSES] Fwd: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread John Woodgate
Subject:Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2023 18:05:59 +0100 From: John Woodgate Organisation: J M Woodgate and Associates To: Brian Gregory 61000-4-3 is a Basic Standard. It does not specify test levels but indicates

Re: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Ken Javor
of the modulation envelope being 18 V/m per 61000-4-3) may be able to do 20 V/m, peak as well. -- Ken Javor (256) 650-5261 From: Brian Gregory Reply-To: Brian Gregory Date: Friday, July 21, 2023 at 11:44 AM To: Subject: [PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

[PSES] Immunity test field strength, residential setting

2023-07-21 Thread Brian Gregory
testing is "done at 3 Vrms, which is standard for most products in residential environments." He can only test up to 10V, and we're hearing the same from an overseas lab to whom our manufacturer refers. Does FCC Part B have guidelines for field strength we can cite? Can some

Re: [PSES] IEC 82368-1 3rd Ed and MOV test

2023-06-20 Thread Joe Randolph
> j...@randolph-telecom.com <http://www.randolph-telecom.com> http://www.randolph-telecom.com From: peterh...@aol.com [mailto:06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org] Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2023 5:32 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IEC 82368-1 3rd Ed and MOV te

[PSES] IEC 82368-1 3rd Ed and MOV test

2023-06-20 Thread peterh...@aol.com
Hello group, Does anyone know what the is purpose of introducing Clause G8? What purpose does it serves and why was it introduced? It seems to me that is almost impossible to comply with this clause  unless you remove the MOV which brings EMI issues. I am working with a client who makes desktop

Re: [PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

2023-04-18 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Hello Scott I do not understand. If you have a product intended for connection to mains with available power less than 4000VA, V-0 material for fire enclosure is sufficient without any additional testing. Needle flame is verification test and cannot be compared to flammability rating test. So

Re: [PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

2023-04-18 Thread Richard Nute
Hi Scott: The answer to your question: “is it possible the V-0 material does not meet the needle-flame test?” is: Yes. See: https://www.caplinq.com/blog/ul-94v-certification-vs-ul-94-vtm-certification_190/ Best regards, Rich From: Scott Xe Sent: Tuesday

[PSES] Compliant needle-flame test material vs V-0 material

2023-04-18 Thread Scott Xe
According to EN 62368-1 : 2020 + A11 : 2020 - Cl 6.4.8.4 Smaller distances are allowed provided that the part of the fire enclosure or fire barrier within the required separation distance complies with one of the following: • the fire enclosure or fire barrier meets the needle-flame test

Re: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test?

2023-04-06 Thread David Schaefer
5D> From: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 5, 2023 10:14 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test? CAUTION:This email originated from outside of Element Materials Technology. DO NOT click links or open attachments unless you

Re: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test?

2023-04-06 Thread Bill Stumpf
@01D9685D.A09D4950] From: Youngsik Kim Reply-To: Youngsik Kim Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 11:32:20 +0900 To: Subject: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test? Hi Experts According to FCC part 18.305 FIELD STRENGTH LIMITS, a test article of Any type unless otherwise specified

Re: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test?

2023-04-05 Thread T.Sato
On Thu, 6 Apr 2023 11:32:20 +0900, Youngsik Kim wrote: > According to FCC part 18.305 FIELD STRENGTH LIMITS, a test article of Any > type unless otherwise specified has a measurement distance of 300 meters, > but I want to measure it at a distance of 3 meters because I need to > m

Re: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test?

2023-04-05 Thread Ken Javor
2023 11:32:20 +0900 To: Subject: [PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test? Hi Experts According to FCC part 18.305 FIELD STRENGTH LIMITS, a test article of Any type unless otherwise specified has a measurement distance of 300 meters, but I want to measure it at a distance of 3 meters because I need

[PSES] Question for FCC Part 18 RE test?

2023-04-05 Thread Youngsik Kim
Hi Experts According to FCC part 18.305 FIELD STRENGTH LIMITS, a test article of Any type unless otherwise specified has a measurement distance of 300 meters, but I want to measure it at a distance of 3 meters because I need to measure it in a chamber. In this case, what is the limit at 3 meters

[PSES] Question concerning Accredited test reports.

2023-03-31 Thread Lfresearch
Good day everyone, I hope this finds you well. We have been pursuing ISO 17025 accreditation for an EMC test facility and one standard on our scope is IEC 61326-3-1. We have been trying to avoid using standards that are not EN’s so is there any reason we should have both IEC 61326-3-1 and EN

[PSES] Test lab will not test devices with LiPo batteries

2023-03-23 Thread Amund Westin
I was in touch with a test lab lately regarding environmental testing (shock, temp cycling, etc.) a device with internal LiPo batteries. They were very concern about testing such device, because if could cause fire, explode, etc. during test. They did not want to test devices which contained

[PSES] LED RF sensitivity test

2023-01-26 Thread doug emcesd.com
Hi All, I recently had looked at a case where a piece of equipment being tested for conducted RF immunity has some of its LEDs lit by the RF when the equipment was unpowered, which caused a test failure as the LEDs indicated a safety condition. The equipment had no power switch, when its

[PSES] IEC 61000-3-2 class D test

2023-01-24 Thread Youngsik Kim
Hi All I known that the class D limit of IEC 61000-3-2 applies only to devices with less than 600W. But why 600W? Does anyone know? Please reply to me.. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc di

Re: [PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022

2023-01-04 Thread sgbrody
It has been quiet.Happy new year to all. Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device Original message From: Richard Georgerian Date: 1/4/23 10:25 AM (GMT-05:00) To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022 Greetings everyone

Re: [PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022

2023-01-04 Thread Chas Grasso
Happy New Year !! On Wed, Jan 4, 2023 at 8:25 AM Richard Georgerian wrote: > * This message originated outside of DISH and was sent by: > richa...@mesanetworks.net * > -- > > Greetings everyone, > > > > Apologies for the email. Just testing as I have not seen any PST

[PSES] Test only: I have not seen any email since December 2022

2023-01-04 Thread Richard Georgerian
Greetings everyone, Apologies for the email. Just testing as I have not seen any PSTC emails since the December 21, 2022. Thank-you, .Richard Georgerian Compliance Engineer HID Global - This message is from the IEEE P

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] [PSES] Testing 2 cubic foot plywood enclosure to UL 2043 Fire Test for Heat and Smoke in Air Handling Space

2022-12-21 Thread Ted Eckert
Hello Chuck, I can't say with certainty, but it's highly unlikely that plywood would pass the test. I wouldn't expect any wood products to pass tests for use in air handling spaces. Best regards, Ted Eckert The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those

[PSES] Testing 2 cubic foot plywood enclosure to UL 2043 Fire Test for Heat and Smoke in Air Handling Space

2022-12-21 Thread Chuck August-McDowell
Hi, Happy Holiday's everyone. I'm writing for an opinion or comment on whether a one to two cubic foot square box made of one-half inch thickness hardwood plywood will pass the UL 2043 Fire Test for Heat and Visible Smoke Release for Discrete Products and Their Accessories Instal

[PSES] incorrect test failures

2022-12-01 Thread doug emcesd.com
Hi All, Test failures (performance, compliance, or any other) just before product introduction are very expensive. It is not unusual to cost a company US$100,000 or more revenue per day of product delay. Given that... There is an issue with IEC61000-4-2 based ESD testing, and it is

[PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test temperature

2022-10-27 Thread Chris
Thank you Ryan Jazz and John Woodgate. Christopher On Thursday, October 27, 2022 at 02:02:32 PM PDT, Ryan Jazz wrote: Hello Chris, “…the test is carried out at ambient temperature equal to the minimum ambient temperature specified by the manufacturer or -33°C if no minimum ambient

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test temperature

2022-10-27 Thread Ryan Jazz
Hello Chris, “…the test is carried out at ambient temperature equal to the minimum ambient temperature specified by the manufacturer or -33°C if no minimum ambient temperature is specified, for 24 h.” Ryan Jayasinghe Regulatory Compliance Engineer rjayasin...@line6.com<mailto:rjayasin...@li

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test temperature

2022-10-26 Thread Chris
Thanks Don. Do you know at what temperature is the cold impact test done? Christopher On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 05:04:33 AM PDT, Don Gies wrote: Christopher,   Per Annex Y.6, you have to consider performing the cold impact tests on polymeric outdoor enclosures housing

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test

2022-10-23 Thread Boštjan Glavič
Hi Christopher, This is applicable for outdoor product. IP test follows cold impact test. Best regards, Boštjan From: Don Gies <0e5e843b011c-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Sent: Friday, October 21, 2022 2:04 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS

Re: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test

2022-10-21 Thread Don Gies
o: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test [External email: Use caution with links and attachments] Folks, When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1 Third edition. I was told if

[PSES] IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test

2022-10-20 Thread Chris
Folks, When do we need to do IEC 62368-1 ES3/PS3 cold impact test as per IEC 62368-1 Third edition. I was told if EUT is powered by ES3/PS3 then it is required. any insight will be helpful Thanks in advance Christopher - This

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1 Test report template

2022-08-31 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
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Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1 Test report template

2022-08-31 Thread John E Allen
Afternoon all. The TRF was designed for use by well-established test labs with experienced test personnel who are familiar with all the “unspoken requirements” that lay behind those actually stated. As such they are a nightmare for manufacturers’ own engineers to try to understand

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1 Test report template

2022-08-31 Thread John Woodgate
07:50, Amund Westin wrote: We are considering a review of the standard IEC/EN 62368-1. A test report template would be helpful. Anyone who sell such a template? BR Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engine

Re: [PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1 Test report template

2022-08-31 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
Hi Amund, If you have the money you can buy these from the IEC - https://webstore.iec.ch/publication/68495 - but they aren’t cheap (cue the Yorkshire War Cry of “ ‘ow much? ”) If you have the time, you can search for “EN 62368-1:2014 test report”, see the format, and copy/paste/mess

[PSES] IEC/EN 62368-1 Test report template

2022-08-30 Thread Amund Westin
We are considering a review of the standard IEC/EN 62368-1. A test report template would be helpful. Anyone who sell such a template? BR Amund - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc

[PSES] Multiple Openings for Medical Safety Test Engineers at TUV Rheinland in Pleasanton

2022-07-26 Thread Jessamyn
Hello, TUVRheinland of North America in Pleasanton is growing and is looking for medicalsafety test engineers.  We currently havemultiple openings for Test Engineers, Technical Admin and Technicians. If interested in theposition, please send your resumes/CVs to jdute...@us.tuv.com. To apply

[PSES] Click test for CISPR 14

2022-07-21 Thread Youngsik Kim
Hi All The click test of home appliances measures only for frequencies ( 150 kHz, 500 kHz etc ) Does the click test only test 4 specific frequencies? What wat the first CISPR document to mention 4 frequencies? Sincerely, - This

Re: [PSES] Harmonics test requirement for Japan

2022-07-07 Thread T.Sato
On Thu, 7 Jul 2022 14:19:34 +, "Paasche, Dieter" wrote: > Is there a requirement to test harmonics in Japan to obtain VCCI on an ITE > equipment. > There is a JIS C 61000-3-2 standard, but it is required by VCCI? No, it it not required by VCCI. Compliance with

[PSES] Harmonics test requirement for Japan

2022-07-07 Thread Paasche, Dieter
Hi, Is there a requirement to test harmonics in Japan to obtain VCCI on an ITE equipment. There is a JIS C 61000-3-2 standard, but it is required by VCCI? If yes, I assume it is been tested to Japanese voltage. Sincerely, [img] Dieter Paasche Senior Product Developer Electrical / EMC

Re: [PSES] EMC test equipment museum

2022-05-17 Thread Ken Wyatt
On May 17, 2022, at 5:08 PM, David Garnier wrote: > > Hello, > > Sorry about the off topic subject, but thank you for the bandwidth. > > I am interested in getting a hold of PSTC member(s) that run EMC test > equipment museum. I have a piece of TE you might be interested

[PSES] EMC test equipment museum

2022-05-17 Thread David Garnier
Hello, Sorry about the off topic subject, but thank you for the bandwidth. I am interested in getting a hold of PSTC member(s) that run EMC test equipment museum.  I have a piece of TE you might be interested in, free. This piece of TE is from the estate well known microwave ham operator

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-11 Thread Ken Javor
(U3C)" Reply-To: "James Pawson (U3C)" Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 3:43 AM To: Subject: Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ? Hi Ken, all, The conversation about log spiral antennas has got me thinking and searching. Apart from the Emco / ETS 3100 series, are there any oth

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-11 Thread James Pawson (U3C)
2022 19:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ? For RE, the single biggest improvement for schedule is to use a time domain or FFT EMI receiver. Basically that is 1 second for each multi-MHz sweep. If your platform has a limited number of microwav

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-07 Thread Cortland Richmond
When Tandy sold out to another one gone [AST Research], I was working on a midnight emissions site trying to find how a computer's RF was getting "out" on our outdoor site with  a LOT of broadcast RF. I added another antenna to the test equipment coax with caox, a "T

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-06 Thread Bill Owsley
the azimuth and altitude, no one uses it later. Useless info to fill out.  Every test setup is different, even using the same equipment. On Monday, May 2, 2022, 06:10:34 PM EDT, David Schaefer <12867effceb4-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: Prescans you could do vertic

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-06 Thread Bill Owsley
50:40 PM EDT, Patrick wrote: Ken - once again, I agree with you. I don't see any path where dual antenna or dual tone can be used for thresholding and debug Finding any susceptibility moves a test to "normal" mode. My motivation comes from the last RS test I was in... (really,

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-06 Thread Bill Owsley
ation thing a quick experiment.  I had one antenna on out 10 meter test mast and put a second one on the edge of our 3 meter diameter turntable with a preamp and attenuator on one of them.  With that arrangement, I could adjust both the relative amplitude and phase of FM and TV signals over a p

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-06 Thread Brent DeWitt
Brings back memories!  MANY moons ago, I ran an OATS in the foothills of Colorado with lots of radio and TV ambients.  Thought I'd give the two antenna cancellation thing a quick experiment.  I had one antenna on out 10 meter test mast and put a second one on the edge of our 3 meter dia

Re: [PSES] Dual antenna during RE test ?

2022-05-06 Thread Ken Javor
For RE, the single biggest improvement for schedule is to use a time domain or FFT EMI receiver.  Basically that is 1 second for each multi-MHz sweep.  If your platform has a limited number of microwave uplinks, the entire RE test will take a few seconds. A log-spiral eliminates the need for

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