RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
-Original Message- From: Ted Eckert Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:08 AM I have a little information on the possible origins of 60950 Annex J. The values listed in Annex J appear to be from ASTM G82: FWIW, I have an old copy of an IEC standard (can't remember which one), with

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: emc-pstc@ieee.orgJohn Woodgate Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:50 AM Tarver, Peter writes: I'm unconvinced that the table is based on any valid scientific studies. Further down, you said that the tables you reviewed relate to brackish or sea water. I said vast majority, to

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I have a little information on the possible origins of 60950 Annex J. Please note the following information is for reference purposes only. I am not stating definitively that this information is the basis of Annex J, nor I am not stating that the information in Annex J is correctly applicable to

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message of2c9f98db.6093c7b2-on862573d1.0053bee0-862573d1.0054c...@amat.com, dated Tue, 15 Jan 2008, lauren_cr...@amat.com writes: Of course, the above is not binding (it can be legally disjointed from the base legislation by means of semantic abrasion). 100 Brownie points! -- OOO - Own

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 5f5a140eb5cb094bb4d2c477c8c4ad99922...@sjc1amfpew04.am.sanm.corp, dated Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: In blending search terms alodine or alodyne with mil spec, I get 1,370 hits for the former, 14 hits for the latter. I think I'm in need of

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 5f5a140eb5cb094bb4d2c477c8c4ad99922...@sjc1amfpew04.am.sanm.corp, dated Tue, 15 Jan 2008, Tarver, Peter peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com writes: My lack of conviction is based on the numbers in Annex J not matching *any* of the electrochemical tables I've reviewed (not thousands, but

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Alodine is an international brand name for Henkel Technologies conversion, anodizing and functional coatings. Alodyne would appear to be another commercial product from the US Both have been brought into general parlance like hoover, Xerox, biro, sellotape... From: emc-p...@ieee.org

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: Fred Townsend Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 3:31 PM I'm not an anodize or Alodyne expert but I will offer a few notes: 1.You will get more hits when looking up Alodyne if you spell it correctly. I agree, but this may be a cross-the-Atlantic thingy (tyre -v- tire) or even

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
From: John Woodgate Sent: Monday, January 14, 2008 2:03 PM Tarver, Peter writes: You seem certain about this. I'm unconvinced. I suggest you talk to a tame electro-chemist. My lack of conviction is based on the numbers in Annex J not matching *any* of the electrochemical tables I've

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Neil, Regarding ...is the coating mechanically separable from the base metal? I thought the commission was rather clear on this point in their WEEE/RoHS faq From 2.3 (page 17) - underlines are mine Homogeneous material means a material that can not be mechanically disjointed into

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message f49bf8e684bc6c4188d1d63513c4ca07036d4...@sparrow.dolby.net, dated Tue, 15 Jan 2008, James, Chris c...@dolby.co.uk writes: Coloured anodising is often much harder and is not suitable where reliable galvanic contact is required. It's a thicker oxide layer, usually, to get a more

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Black zinc is a chromate conversion process on steel so would remain conductive. However anodizing and alodine or alochrom are two distinct processes on aluminium: Alodine/alochrom is a light chemical surface treatment of aluminium which leaves ithe surface conductive but less prone to

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
My experience of chromate conversion is that all I have seen are in fact insulating. In general: all aluminium passivation forms an insulating layer of a thickness. It may be possible to measure low resistance if the measurement technique punctures the passivation layer. Even two flat surfaces

Re: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 478bf09b.6020...@dctolight.net, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Fred Townsend f...@dctolight.net writes: 1.You will get more hits when looking up Alodyne if you spell it correctly.  See http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/alodyne It's a chromic acid passivation process. This means it uses

Re: Y1 cap info

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 64c85c187de0f944bb7b79f01af019a034e...@mail-01.stratalight.com, dated Mon, 14 Jan 2008, Marko Radojicic mradoji...@stratalight.com writes: If you can visualize the impedance vs. frequency curve for a capacitor (a V shape), increased resistance will raise the entire curve up and the

RE: Zinc passivation vs. Stainless Steel hardware selection

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I think you will find that Alodyne is a chromate conversion coating; Alodyne is one trade name, Alocrom another. The yellow clour comes from the chromium. The down side is that the jury is out on whether or not such a coating complies with the RoHS Directive. Is there still hexavalent chromium in

Re: Human Exposure in China and India

2008-01-15 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Don, China doesn't use ICNIRP standard, their own standard is GB8702-88(published in 1988). Besides, some other standard also related to human exposure, GB9715-88, GB12638-90, GB10436-89, GB10437-89, GB16203-96. These standards are issued by different ministries, there is no harmonized