Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

The hazard-based approach is valid and very important, but it does not interact well with the 'AoG' concept, since that denies that a current hazard (such as a very near future volcanic eruption) is/has been identified. Best wishes With seasonal felicitations John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Rich, et al AH, now you are getting to the “specifics” J Whilst I (and many others!) are very well aware of all those other “contributory factors” (some of which I also outlined to SWMBO’s friend’s partner!), I didn’t want to “go into that level of detail” in my initial post >From

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Hi John A. and all: A different process than “risk assessment:” A hungry polar bear is a hazardous energy source. The bear’s energy exceeds John A.’s defensive energy, thus John A. can expect to be injured or worse during a polar bear encounter. The safeguard for John A. is

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] EMI testing with ambient

However, if a CW carrier exists, the level is still valid for a measurement. Cortland, KA5S On 4/11/2019 14:59 PM, Sykes, Bob wrote: And yes, you are no longer using the specified CISPR RBW for the measurement so YMMV J - This

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Typo in the email below: - see highlighted words! L From: John Allen [mailto:john_e_al...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 30 December 2019 21:24 To: 'John Woodgate'; 'EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG' Subject: RE: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety John W & Friends Earlier this

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Thank you very much. Best wishes With seasonal felicitations John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only Rayleigh, Essex UK www.woodjohn.uk On 2019-12-30 21:23, John Allen wrote: John W & Friends Earlier this afternoon, we were visiting a friend of my wife and her partner – and, later during a

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

John W & Friends Earlier this afternoon, we were visiting a friend of my wife and her partner – and, later during a general conversation, the latter and I got around to “risk assessment” (in the context of the Grenfell tower block fire disaster a couple of years ago), and so I outlined to

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Thank you. I try to tackle things like this for my work on standards writing. Best wishes With seasonal felicitations John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only Rayleigh, Essex UK www.woodjohn.uk On 2019-12-30 20:42, Doug Nix wrote: I completely agree John. Your revised definition is on the money!

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

To be an AoG, the test has to be 'No-one would have thought of that.' I don't know much about how the 'functional safety' experts have re-normalized their infinities, but I believe that, having acknowledged that 'anything not violating the laws of physics can happen', nevertheless have

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

I completely agree John. Your revised definition is on the money! Doug Nix d...@ieee.org +1 (519) 729-5704 > On 30-Dec-19, at 15:40, John Woodgate wrote: > > The volcanologists are not good enough. No human knowledge is exhaustive. It > fits fairly well with your cited definition: > > an

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

The volcanologists are not good enough. No human knowledge is exhaustive.  It fits fairly well with your cited definition: /an act or occurrence so extraordinary and unprecedented that human foresight could not foresee or guard against it/ but I think the definition is 'over-egged': I would

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Two thoughts on this: 1) it sounds from the the description of the event that this might also be called a “black swan” event. As we all know, black swans are real, however rare they may be. This is simply another way to say “We never thought of that”, and 2) I had a Trek mountain bike that had

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Hi Rich David Lazarus is discussing contract law, which is one of the areas where I conceded that “Acts of God” does play a role. The Florida Supreme Court statement is given as a response to a situation where a hurricane knocked out power to homeowners. The agreement between the homeowners

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

Hi Ted: I picked the reference from David Lazarus’ December 24th column from the LA Times: https://www.latimes.com/business/story/2019-12-24/acts-of-god-consumer-contract He says, “… that “acts

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

I can't think of an internal fault in a product that would fit the 'Florida' definition of AoG. Unforeseen physical and chemical effects are not extremely rare; a case that comes to mind is 'white plague', a gold-aluminium compound that formed in some early ICs and cause premature failure. But

Re: [PSES] [EXTERNAL] Re: [PSES] act of God versus safety

First, I am not licensed to practice law in any jurisdiction. Take what I say as the view of an engineers with only limited experience in this area. The term “Act of God” generally is limited to contract law and to insurance law. It is also generally limited to natural events such as

Re: [PSES] magnets in toys rules overturned by manufacturers

Thanks for sharing Rich. I'd be interested if there is a follow up to this article at all. There seems to be some strong implications stated in the article that I'd assume there would be some type of rebuttal possibly in an editorialial reply. Have a Happy New Year all. Curt