Bob,
UL 60950 1.4.14 states that faults shall be applied in turn, and one at a
time. On the other hand I take a look at the practical operation of the unit
being tested. For example one of our units is a floor standing unit that sits
off the ground by about 2 inches. Since there will always be
:
owner-emc-pstc@ma To
jordomo.ieee.org "Joshua Wiseman"
Bob,
Do you know anything about the 915MHz passive tags?
Josh
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:24 AM
To: richwo...@tycoint.com
Cc: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: RFID tags
The RFID tags (active
This standard has been adopted by China and Japan. Japan has added a source
impedance for the test setup, but it implies to me that this is a world-wide
issue.
Josh
From: Rich Nute [mailto:ri...@sdd.hp.com]
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 3:09 PM
To: j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk
Cc: emc-p...@majordom
I all,
I received a phone call today about the following opening. If anyone is
interested please contact Bruce Kipperman at b...@ntscorp.com.
Best Regards,
Josh
EMC Test Technicians
NTS is looking to expand our staff of EMC Test Technicians to work with our
engineering lead at one of our
Dave,
I would classify them as a component. I also looked at a few lying around the
lab here and none of them have a CE mark.
Josh
From: John Lach [mailto:john.l...@carlingtech.com]
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2003 10:32 AM
To: drcuthbert; emc-pstc
Subject: RE: opinions, please
John,
I have used Avalon for my HP repairs. Agilent may not have the parts,
especially if your Analyzer falls under EMC equipment.
Josh
From: John Cronin [mailto:croni...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:41 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: ***SPAM*** 8.8 Repair of
to
have more uniform requirements ?".
luck,
Brian
From: Joshua Wiseman [mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:56 AM
To: Brian O'Connell; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: CB, SMT, & TMP
Brian,
As I understand it ISO/IEC 17025 replaced ISO/IEC Guide 2
Brian,
As I understand it ISO/IEC 17025 replaced ISO/IEC Guide 25.
The answers to your other questions will depend on who you are using for your
NCB.
Regards,
Josh
From: Brian O'Connell [mailto:boconn...@t-yuden.com]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 11:30 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subj
Peter,
I don't know much about Medical, but I have heard from some of our major
customers that PVC use needs to be reduced because of chemicals covered under
WEEE.
Josh
From: peter.valent...@us.datex-ohmeda.com
[mailto:peter.valent...@us.datex-ohmeda.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2003 8:51
Ron,
There are 2 instances I have even tried this with difficult success. The
first is under special import for the purpose of getting CCC approval. The
second is as a Beta and it has to come back out of the country.
Any other attempt will must likely result in confiscation of your unit. Afte
Dave,
I would check the UL status to see if it includes the cUL mark. If it does
than you are good for safety. UL may be able to help you upgrade the report
if needed.
For EMC you need to comply with ICES-003. This is equivalent to FCC part 15.
Check your EMC report. It may state compliance
As you are all aware August 1, 2003 is right around the corner. This is the
new date for the conducted emissions requirements for Telco ports. I know
there was talk of postponing this a second time. As of right now I have not
heard anything. Does anyone know if this will be postponed again?
T
Nathan,
I believe you have confused CQC with the previous CCIB certification. CCIB
and the Great Wall marks were the predecessor to CCC.
Josh
From: Belsher, Nathan [mailto:nbels...@ti.com]
Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 9:20 AM
To: 'Michael Jang'; 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: RE: Ques
You should be aware that there are 9 certifying bodies for CCC. CQC is only
one of them. The agent you use will usually pick the body they like to work
with. I also seem to remember reading somewhere that the type of product also
determines which body you can use. You can get more informati
In all of the testing I have had done in China it appears that the lab is
using the new version of the standard. You might work with your agent to try
and persuade the lab. Some agents do this well, some not so well.
From: H. Koester [mailto:h.koes...@psi-si.de]
Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3
Jon,
I have had problems with test setups and knowledge with products sent to
China. The problem I have come across is that I am only permitted to go to
one lab. This has been governed through CCC.
If you are looking outside of CCC things may be different.
Josh
From: Jon Kanter [mailto:jon_
Mine has changed Genicom to Genocide
From: Scott Baer [mailto:ba...@agcs.com]
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2003 9:17 AM
To: garymcintu...@aol.com
Cc: john.al...@era.co.uk; peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com;
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: (mis)spelling humor
Gary,
My spellchecker persists in wa
Ron,
I don't have VDE or TUV Product Services but here are UL, CSA and TUV
Rheinland. If you go to the main website, there is a link for certified
products. TUV has the dotCOM service that list the companies, but the company
can also sign up and have manuals, DoC's and other useful items placed
If your product already has CCC you should check the date. I had some that
were already under CCC but the certificate expires 5/1/03. If it is going to
expire they may be additional testing required. In my case I had to send a
sample for Harmonics testing.
Josh
From: Andre, Pierre-Marie [mai
Jeffrey,
The link below shows that some of the countries will be joining the EU next
year.
http://www.eurunion.org/news/press/2002/2002051.htm
Regards,
Josh
From: Collins, Jeffrey [mailto:jcoll...@ciena.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 06, 2003 12:36 PM
To: 'EMC-PSTC'
Subject: New countries that wi
John,
I ran across this website after I had already asked the question. I
particularly like the last label on this page.
http://www.safetylabel.com/catalogs/vie
.php?page=2&catalog=1&category=16&nextpage=Next+Page+%3E%3E
Thanks,
Josh
In particular, the sharp object labels on the following pa
Hi all,
I am looking for the symbol for sharp objects. So far I have had little
success in finding it. I have an out of date edition of IEC 417 in my office
but I don't see it in there. Can someone point me in the right direction.
Thanks in advance for your help.
Regards,
Josh
Josh Wiseman
Gary,
I don't remember, but the other post stating that the band is only a few KHz
sounds about right.
Josh
From: Gary McInturff [mailto:gary.mcintu...@worldwidepackets.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 1:56 PM
To: Joshua Wiseman; drcuthbert; Kurt Fischer;
emc-p...@majordomo.iee
pstc server.
Regards,
Josh
From: Cortland Richmond [mailto:72146@compuserve.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 2:10 PM
To: Joshua Wiseman; ieee pstc list
Subject: 121 MHz message unreadable
As you can see, the below message arrived unreadable at my compuserve
account. Since I can&#
Kurt,
In my Air Traffic radio repair days I became intimately familiar with 121.5 and
243 MHz. These are the emergency frequencies used N. America. They are used
for locating both the plane and pilot in the event of an emergency. They are
also used by pilots when they have lost their bearing
Bill,
I don't have it in writing but when I went through the factory inspection for
CCIB it was required that it was checked on a routine basis. Rather than put
it on the line I started it in our audit process. Every line gets one test
per week.
Good Luck,
Josh
Does anybody know any Certifi
Don,
Every now and then I get something stuck in US customs. Typically the agent
will supply a form for FCC or CDRH compliance depending what is hung and the
reason. If you fill out the paperwork the shipment proceeds. If I find a
copy of the form here I will scan it in and send it to you dire
Paul,
I have used ED&D in the past. http://www.productsafet.com/pages/main.html
Regards,
Josh
Folks
What sources are out there to purchase an articulated UL and/or IEC
accessibility probe (test finger) from the various UL, IEC and other
product safety standards. An example is shown in A
Jason,
I know FCC (Fisher Custom Communications) has them.
Josh
From: Jason Greenwood [mailto:jagre...@cisco.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 4:49 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: CISPR22 conducted emissions measurements of E1 lines
Does anyone have any recommendations for
Gary,
Your link didn't come through.
Josh
I don't know of any, but it is a common mistake for US companies make
in marking the equipment.
Here is the link the following information came from.
Click on EMCAB-3
---
This message is from the I
The first is much more cost effective.
With the second you have to pay the maintenance fee for both files.
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
-Original Message-
From: Peter Merguerian [mailto:pmerguer...@itl.co.il]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 2:45 AM
To: 'Dave Grant'; emc-p...@major
I got a virus message from this email. See below.
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
-Original Message-
From: lfresearch [mailto:lfresea...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 14, 2002 3:12 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: W32.Elkern removal tools
-- Virus War
Subject: Re: EN61000-3-3 & -3-11
I read in !emc-pstc that Joshua Wiseman wrote
(in ) about 'EN61000-3-3 & -3-11' on Wed, 30 Oct 2002:
>Other than that the scope is meant for equipment that is <16A and >75A.
No, get those pesky arrows the right way round! >16A and &
Alan,
I have a copy of 61000-3-11 and it says that you must test to 61000-3-3. If
you fail this test you can come back and test to 61000-3-11. Other than
that the scope is meant for equipment that is <16A and >75A.
Josh
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
-Original Message-
From: alan.h
Rich,
This is correct. As I understand the standard is identical to EN 61000-3-2.
Regards,
Josh
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
-Original Message-
From: richwo...@tycoint.com [mailto:richwo...@tycoint.com]
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2002 4:59 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject
I found a website that has a few listing on it. http://www.rfcafe.com Near
the top right of the page there is a link for job searches. There is quite
a list of places to look.
Good Luck.
Josh
All,
I want to thank everyone for the responses. It sounds pretty straight
forward now. I will be verifying the compliance of the cart with a printer
in place. I will use EN 60950 for safety, EN 55022, EN 55024, EN 61000-3-2,
and EN 61000-3-3 for EMC. It also appears I may be using EN 60335-2-
concerns as well.
Again thanks for the help,
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Wiseman [mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 3:39 PM
To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail)
Subject: Mobile Power Cart
Hi all,
My marketing department has decided it would be a good idea
Hi all,
My marketing department has decided it would be a good idea to put a printer
on a battery cart. My question is what standards will I need to test to for
this. The power cart will be supplied with a battery charger, 12V lead-acid
battery, and a 12Vdc to 120Vac or 12Vdc to 230Vac inverter.
Jim,
I had a similar question about a year ago. The response I got is that there
is a future version that has this referenced in Annex B. I am not sure of
the details of it though.
Josh
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
(714) 368-2737
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
-Original Message-
Tom,
As I understand it, if you are a member of JEITA then it is a requirement.
Regards,
Josh
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
(714) 368-2737
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
-Original Message-
From: T.Sato [mailto:vef00...@nifty.ne.jp]
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 10:06 PM
To: emc-p..
Jim,
When China converted to the CCC approval scheme they adopted the Chinese
version of EN 61000-3-2.
Japan has a requirement under JEITA to test harmonics at 120V while using an
impedance in line.
I have heard that Australia and Korea are also moving in this direction.
Taiwan follows the US f
Rich,
Here is the German I have a few others but don't know which languages they
are.
"ACHTUNG - Klasse 2 Laserstrahlung wenn offen. Niemals in den Laserstrahl
blicken."
Good Luck,
Josh
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
-Original Message-
From: richwo..
I have never had an issue using an existing CB and EMC report to acquire
GOST-R certificates. You do need to know how many copies you will need.
One copy is needed for each shipment into Russia.
I have used TUV Rhienland for this in the past.
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
[mailto:jwise...@prin
Amund,
I think you should also take a look at the old CCIB scheme. The CCC is
still developing standards at this time. I believe it is safe to say that
if your product was in the catalog for CCIB it will be for CCC as well. I
also understand that CCC will cover more products than CCIB did as we
Chris,
As I recall Laser Notice 50 does not exempt you from the record keeping and
report of the CFR 21, only the qualification aspects.
Regards,
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2002 1:24 PM
To: John Juhasz; Davis,
My company manufacturers printers. The question of using an off the shelf
wireless Ethernet card has come up. The card is a essentially a 2.4GHz
transceiver. I am looking to determine if I should now use the R&TTE
directive or continue using the EMC directive and apply the current
approvals of t
This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.
You may be interested in this. It is Laser Notice 50 from CDRH allowing
conformance to the EN60825-1 Am2. There are still CDRH requirements you
must follow but
My experience with labeling is as long as all the required information is
available you can use a single label. In fact on my product I have two
labels the first indicates the opening with "AVOID EXPOSURE - Laser Light
Emitted From This Aperture". The second has the IEC label information, FDA
inf
Chris,
Instrument Specialties is now Laird Technologies for those who do not yet
know.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Chris Maxwell [mailto:chris.maxw...@nettest.com]
Sent: Friday, March 01, 2002 11:46 AM
To: Robert Wilson; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Pencil erasers for pre
Ed,
Its funny that you say that. I went to DNB's website with no problems. My
company uses the same Websense software.
I know some people at DNB and have explained to them the problem. In the
mean time here is the link if you want to try again.
http://www.dnbenginc.com/
Regards,
Josh
Josh Wi
Japan also has the JEITA for members. This includes Harmonics tested at
100V and an impedance network.
Josh
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety
(714) 368-2737
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
-Original Message-
From: geor...@lexmark.com [mailto:geor...@lexmark.com]
Sent: Wednesday, Januar
Nick,
Try this website. It is a searchable version of IEC 417.
http://w3.hike.te.chiba-u.ac.jp/iec417/ver2.0/html/index.html
Josh Wiseman
EMC/Product Safety Eng.
-Original Message-
From: Nick Williams [mailto:nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 2:31 PM
To
Cecil,
The 1998 version has been postponed, but if you DO NOT have Telecom ports
you can use either one.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: cecil.gitt...@kodak.com [mailto:cecil.gitt...@kodak.com]
Sent: Monday, October 22, 2001 1:24 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: EMC standards
Im
John,
My experience has proven that the GOST-R mark is required for Russia. In
fact I am in a situation right now where the customer location will not
accept the certified original copy certificate. They insist that the rules
have changed. I contacted my GOST agent and have been reassured that thi
Hi all,
I have recently heard of a requirement in the Flicker standard for "In Rush"
current measurements.
My understanding of the test is that the EUT is manually turned on and off
24 times. During these times dmax is measured. You then take the highest and
lowest readings and throw them out. Yo
Richard,
We have gone as high as 20kV. This was done on the control panel with
buttons similar to that of your common vcr remote. It was done as a customer
requirement. We used the same pass/fail criteria as if it were at 8kV.
We use a Schaffner NSG431.
Regards,
Josh
-Original Message
Hi all,
Here is a website that you can type in your acronym to get the definition.
http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html
Josh
-Original Message-
From: rehel...@mmm.com [mailto:rehel...@mmm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2001 9:19 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Typin
Hello all,
Doug has brought up some interesting questions. I too would like to follow
this thread.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Massey, Doug C. [mailto:masse...@ems-t.com]
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 1:55 PM
To: 'IEEE Forum'
Subject: New laser standards
Hello Group -
Can anyone dire
John,
EN 55024 has a DOW of 07/01/01. This replaces EN 50082-1 for ITE equipment.
Other than that I know there are some updates for the 61000-4 series, but
not sure if ESD is one of them.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: John Juhasz [mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com]
Sent: Monday, April 30
Don,
I use the document center website. It will let you know if the standard has
been superceded and give the standard that took its place.
http://www.document-center.com
Josh
-Original Message-
From: umbdenst...@sensormatic.com [mailto:umbdenst...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Friday, January
Micheal,
My understanding of this scenario is that as long as the unit for repair
stayed with in the EU. There is no problem provided it is sent to the
original customer.
If the product leaves the EU then it must meet the new requirements.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: michael.garret...
Thanks to all who replied. The person who tried telling me this has
realized his mistake. I have sent him a copy of the new DoC's and all is
good again.
Thanks again,
Josh
[mailto:jwise...@printronix.com]
Hi group,
I heard something a few minutes ago that I haven't heard of. I heard that
there is some sort of statement that should be placed with the CE label to
signify compliance to EN 61000-3-2, -3-3. This sounds kind of funny to me,
but if it is true I need to correct it on my end.
Your opinio
Edward,
According to my sources in Singapore Korea will be implementing the
Harmonics and Flicker in approximately 2 yrs.
I will do some checking on Thailand.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Edward Fitzgerald [mailto:edward.fitzger...@ets-tele.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 9:50
Paul,
Associated Research model HyPot II 3570D, has the capability of setting a
minimum current. This will ensure that there is no open. Depending on your
location. I can set you up with a rep that may be able to let you "demo" in
your location to see if it suits your needs. Contact me directly fo
Mike,
IHS Global Documents has something like that. http://global.ihs.com/
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Mike Campi
To: Emc/Pstc (E-mail)
Sent: 9/22/00 1:50 PM
Subject: PDF versions of IEC standards
> Where can I get EN-61000 series standards in an electronic format such
as
> PDF? Do
Hi group,
I am sure that Ken appreciates all the pointers, but no one is answering his
question.
He is asking for a reference to a standard that allows him to do this. If I
knew one I would certainly tell him.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: mr...@ix.netcom.com [mailto:mr...@ix.netcom.com
George did a good job explaining, but I am currently going through the CCIB
process myself. The thing I have found most inconvenient is that they now
require the EMC testing be done in country. They will use your current
reports only for reference. I know that some labs are trying to bring
testing
Yes, it says the site is loading in the mean time there is some sort MP3
website there.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Mike Morrow [mailto:mi...@ucentric.com]
Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:32 AM
To: EMC Society
Subject: RCIC been hacked??
Anyone else getting a Napster message w
Check EN 61000-4-3
-Original Message-
From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:21 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: ENV 50204
The Generic Immunity standard, EN 50082-1 references ENV 50204 for a
radiated immunity test. The
Mike,
I have had instances on the manufacturing line were the unit would fail the
Hipot or Ground Bond test. The same holds true. The power supply is an
approved part and was tested by the power supply house. With this
information alone I would recommend doing the tests on the end product.
Josh
.
Joshua Wiseman
Product Safety/EMC
labs and anyone else I can think of short of buying the
standard. I will be buying it in the near future, but I would appreciate
some guidance before then.
Thanks in advance for the response.
Josh
Joshua Wiseman
Product Safety/EMC
Printronix
[mailto:wiseman...@printronix.com]
Regarding UL1950, IEC950, etc. I can't find proof either. Although I have
been told by several agencies the same thing 1 degree C over 15 minutes. I
too am curious to see this in writing.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Dan Mitchell [mailto:dan_mitch...@condordc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 2
Try these:
http://global.ihs.com/
http://www.bsi.org.uk/
http://www.ornl.gov/Library/engineering.html
http://www.document-center.com/home.cfm/sid=29459005/
Some sites are better than others, but there is sometimes $100 difference or
more.
Josh
-Original Message-
From: Barry Ma [mailto:b
I found the website for it.
http://www.agilesoft.com
It appears that you can find out about the software here. You can always go
to the contact page and email or call someone for more details on the
software.
We use the Agile Anywhere package here.
Josh
Joshua Wiseman
Product Safety/EMC
Joe,
Here at my company we use a program by the name of Agile. All "ECO's, CCR's,
Deviation's, Stop Ships, and so on" are done through this program. The nice
part about the program is that it is pretty versatile in that every change
goes through the same group or board. It doesn't matter if the c
Cyril,
In reading the new standard one thing that caught my eyes is that
Telecommunication ports are re-defined. In this case a Telecommunications is
anything that hooks to a network i.e. LAN/WAN environments.
For that reason alone I have to test to the new portion of the standard, but
I am not r
Ken,
I don't know of any regulations pertaining to this. I can tell you though
that from past experience I have been in situations were the raised floor
has flooded with water. This alone could be a reason to use such a
connector.
Just my 2 cents..
Regards,
Josh
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